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knews4...@yahoo.com
May 11, 2012, 12:05:50 AM5/11/12
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How many times do you think the earth has shifted on it's axis?
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2109/808/20,000_Year_Old_Spiral-Shaped_Metal_Object_Found_in_Russia.html
In the years 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the small river Narada, on
the eastern side of the Ural mountains, have found unusual, mostly
spiral-shaped objects. The size of these things ranges from a maximum
of 3 cm (1.2 in.) down to an incredible 0.003 mm, about 1/10,000th of
an inch! To date, these inexplicable artifacts have been found in
their thousands at various sites near the rivers Narada, Kozhim, and
Balbanyu, and also by two smaller streams named Vtvisty and
Lapkhevozh, mostly at depths between 3 and 12 meters (10 and 40 ft.)
The spiral-form objects are composed of various metals: the larger
ones are of copper, while the small and very small ones are of the
rare metals tungsten and molybdenum. Tungsten has a high atomic
weight, and is also very dense, with a melting point of 3410 deg. C
(6100 deg. F). It is used principally for the hardening of special
steels, and in unalloyed form for the filaments of light bulbs.
Molybdenum also has a high density, and a respectable melting point of
2650 deg. C (4740 deg. F). This metal too is used for hardening steels
and giving them corrosion-resistant properties, these being used
principally for highly-stressed weapon parts and vehicle armor. All
tests carried out to date these objects to around 20,000 years old.
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Scientific American
Of all the many unexplained phenomena, experiences, and objects in the
world, ones that hold a great deal of fascination for me are what I
categorize as "ancient anomalies." Also called "ooparts," these are
objects that by scientific measure are very old, but in form or
construction appear to be quite modern. They are impossible fossils,
out-of-time technology, anachronistic artifacts. In other words, if
our history of the world is correct, they just should not exist. And
there are many examples - many more than geologists, archaeologists,
and other scientists care to admit.
<big snip>
Ancient modern tools. While quarrying limestone in 1786, workers came
to a bed of sand about 50 feet below ground level. In the layer of
sand, however, they found the stumps of stone pillars and fragments of
half-worked rock. Digging further, they found coins, the petrified
wooden handles of hammers, and pieces of other petrified wooden tools.
The sand in which the discovery was made was beneath a layer of
limestone dated at 300 million years old.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2109/808/20,000_Year_Old_Spiral-Shaped_Metal_Object_Found_in_Russia.html
In the years 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the small river Narada, on
the eastern side of the Ural mountains, have found unusual, mostly
spiral-shaped objects. The size of these things ranges from a maximum
of 3 cm (1.2 in.) down to an incredible 0.003 mm, about 1/10,000th of
an inch! To date, these inexplicable artifacts have been found in
their thousands at various sites near the rivers Narada, Kozhim, and
Balbanyu, and also by two smaller streams named Vtvisty and
Lapkhevozh, mostly at depths between 3 and 12 meters (10 and 40 ft.)
The spiral-form objects are composed of various metals: the larger
ones are of copper, while the small and very small ones are of the
rare metals tungsten and molybdenum. Tungsten has a high atomic
weight, and is also very dense, with a melting point of 3410 deg. C
(6100 deg. F). It is used principally for the hardening of special
steels, and in unalloyed form for the filaments of light bulbs.
Molybdenum also has a high density, and a respectable melting point of
2650 deg. C (4740 deg. F). This metal too is used for hardening steels
and giving them corrosion-resistant properties, these being used
principally for highly-stressed weapon parts and vehicle armor. All
tests carried out to date these objects to around 20,000 years old.
<photo snip>
Scientific American
Of all the many unexplained phenomena, experiences, and objects in the
world, ones that hold a great deal of fascination for me are what I
categorize as "ancient anomalies." Also called "ooparts," these are
objects that by scientific measure are very old, but in form or
construction appear to be quite modern. They are impossible fossils,
out-of-time technology, anachronistic artifacts. In other words, if
our history of the world is correct, they just should not exist. And
there are many examples - many more than geologists, archaeologists,
and other scientists care to admit.
<big snip>
Ancient modern tools. While quarrying limestone in 1786, workers came
to a bed of sand about 50 feet below ground level. In the layer of
sand, however, they found the stumps of stone pillars and fragments of
half-worked rock. Digging further, they found coins, the petrified
wooden handles of hammers, and pieces of other petrified wooden tools.
The sand in which the discovery was made was beneath a layer of
limestone dated at 300 million years old.
CWatters
May 16, 2012, 2:33:24 PM5/16/12
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On 11/05/2012 05:05, knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
> How many times do you think the earth has shifted on it's axis?
>
> http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2109/808/20,000_Year_Old_Spiral-Shaped_Metal_Object_Found_in_Russia.html
>
> In the years 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the small river Narada, on
> the eastern side of the Ural mountains,
I can't google a location for that river. Got a map reference?
> How many times do you think the earth has shifted on it's axis?
>
> http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2109/808/20,000_Year_Old_Spiral-Shaped_Metal_Object_Found_in_Russia.html
>
> In the years 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the small river Narada, on
> the eastern side of the Ural mountains,
Jim Wilkins
May 16, 2012, 9:07:13 PM5/16/12
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m II
May 16, 2012, 9:17:17 PM5/16/12
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Jim Wilkins wrote:
> Did anyone question how the age of metal artifacts can be
> measured?
All the metal artefacts in my pocket have dates on them. I merely
apply what I call 'subtraction' to tell the difference from today's date.
mike
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Jim Wilkins wrote:
> Did anyone question how the age of metal artifacts can be
> measured?
apply what I call 'subtraction' to tell the difference from today's date.
mike
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Jim Wilkins
May 16, 2012, 9:46:39 PM5/16/12
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"m II" <C...@in.the.hat> wrote in message
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> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Did anyone question how the age of metal artifacts can be
>> measured?
>
>
> All the metal artefacts in my pocket have dates on them. I merely
> apply what I call 'subtraction' to tell the difference from today's
> date.
>
> mike
I can give you a special deal on a Julius Caesar commemorative marked
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Did anyone question how the age of metal artifacts can be
>> measured?
>
>
> All the metal artefacts in my pocket have dates on them. I merely
> apply what I call 'subtraction' to tell the difference from today's
> date.
>
> mike
"XLIV BC".
Helmut Wabnig
May 17, 2012, 1:32:33 AM5/17/12
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w.
Androcles
May 17, 2012, 2:34:54 AM5/17/12
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many methods. A coin may simply have the date written on it (or the
head of the monarch, a rusted sword or spear found as grave goods
may be dated by the radio carbon date of the grave's occupant or
the scrap of linen he was wearing. Earthenware pot shards found in
the same layer are recognised by experts and provide dates from
their composition and design.
Jim Wilkins
May 17, 2012, 6:58:28 AM5/17/12
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> "Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jp1it7$c8g$1...@dont-email.me...
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>> "CWatters" <colin....@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote in
>> message news:kbadnYn_XYBjby7S...@brightview.co.uk...
>>> On 11/05/2012 05:05, knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> How many times do you think the earth has shifted on it's axis?
>>>>
>>>> http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2109/808/20,000_Year_Old_Spiral-Shaped_Metal_Object_Found_in_Russia.html
>>>>
>>>> In the years 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the small river
>>>> Narada, on
>>>> the eastern side of the Ural mountains,
>>>
>>
> "Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jp1it7$c8g$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>> "CWatters" <colin....@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote in
>> message news:kbadnYn_XYBjby7S...@brightview.co.uk...
>>> On 11/05/2012 05:05, knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> How many times do you think the earth has shifted on it's axis?
>>>>
>>>> http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2109/808/20,000_Year_Old_Spiral-Shaped_Metal_Object_Found_in_Russia.html
>>>>
>>>> In the years 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the small river
>>>> Narada, on
>>>> the eastern side of the Ural mountains,
>>>
>>
>> Did anyone question how the age of metal artifacts can be measured?
>>
> Metal artefacts (swords, shield bosses, jewellery, coins) are dated
> by
> many methods. A coin may simply have the date written on it (or the
> head of the monarch, a rusted sword or spear found as grave goods
> may be dated by the radio carbon date of the grave's occupant or
> the scrap of linen he was wearing. Earthenware pot shards found in
> the same layer are recognised by experts and provide dates from
> their composition and design.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
>>
> Metal artefacts (swords, shield bosses, jewellery, coins) are dated
> by
> many methods. A coin may simply have the date written on it (or the
> head of the monarch, a rusted sword or spear found as grave goods
> may be dated by the radio carbon date of the grave's occupant or
> the scrap of linen he was wearing. Earthenware pot shards found in
> the same layer are recognised by experts and provide dates from
> their composition and design.
It shows that only a very few exotic metals can be dated directly.
There has been some success dating ancient iron from the carbon it
contains, assuming it came from charcoal and not coal which has lost
all its Carbon 14 and falsely reads about 60,000 years old from
residual instrumental errors.
Advanced industrial artifacts and an alloy that doesn't exist on Earth
(except in one lab) have been planted as a hoax to agitate the
gullible True Believers. It's easy because they ignore or dismiss
evidence of fraud. Not that I would ever pull such a prank.
Androcles
May 17, 2012, 7:46:43 AM5/17/12
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I didn't say directly, there is no way to date a pure metal. An artefact,
however, is of human origin, although the word is sometimes mis-used
as something out of place such as an unwanted fingerprint smudge on
a photograph. An alloy is an artefact because it has been deliberately
created.
I do agree that little credence can be given to the dating of the Russian
find although whether it is fraud or error can only be conjecture.
The advance of the ice sheet makes a find of 20,000 years old
very unlikely, although if humanity were technologically advanced
before that event then any trace of it would be thoroughly destroyed.
A city stands no chance against a glacier.
however, is of human origin, although the word is sometimes mis-used
as something out of place such as an unwanted fingerprint smudge on
a photograph. An alloy is an artefact because it has been deliberately
created.
I do agree that little credence can be given to the dating of the Russian
find although whether it is fraud or error can only be conjecture.
The advance of the ice sheet makes a find of 20,000 years old
very unlikely, although if humanity were technologically advanced
before that event then any trace of it would be thoroughly destroyed.
A city stands no chance against a glacier.
Jim Wilkins
May 17, 2012, 8:06:54 AM5/17/12
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"Androcles" <M...@May.2012> wrote in message
>
> I do agree that little credence can be given to the dating of the
> Russian
> find although whether it is fraud or error can only be conjecture.
> The advance of the ice sheet makes a find of 20,000 years old
> very unlikely, although if humanity were technologically advanced
> before that event then any trace of it would be thoroughly
> destroyed.
> A city stands no chance against a glacier.
One piece of circumstantial evidence against ancient high tech is that
> I do agree that little credence can be given to the dating of the
> Russian
> find although whether it is fraud or error can only be conjecture.
> The advance of the ice sheet makes a find of 20,000 years old
> very unlikely, although if humanity were technologically advanced
> before that event then any trace of it would be thoroughly
> destroyed.
> A city stands no chance against a glacier.
early humans used the hand-held stone axe for over a million years
before inventing the handle.
http://archaeology.about.com/od/hterms/g/handaxe.htm
jsw
Androcles
May 17, 2012, 8:59:02 AM5/17/12
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Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
A flint arrowhead has no bow or bowstring.
A flint arrowhead has no bow or bowstring.
Jim Wilkins
May 17, 2012, 9:31:16 AM5/17/12
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"Androcles" <M...@May.2012> wrote in message
>
> "Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message ...
>> One piece of circumstantial evidence against ancient high tech is
>> that early humans used the hand-held stone axe for over a million
>> years before inventing the handle.
>> http://archaeology.about.com/od/hterms/g/handaxe.htm
>>
>> jsw
>
> Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
> A flint arrowhead has no bow or bowstring.
But it does have a groove to lash it to the arrow shaft.
>> that early humans used the hand-held stone axe for over a million
>> years before inventing the handle.
>> http://archaeology.about.com/od/hterms/g/handaxe.htm
>>
>> jsw
>
> Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.
> A flint arrowhead has no bow or bowstring.
jsw
Androcles
May 17, 2012, 12:26:47 PM5/17/12
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The North American Aboriginal (misnamed "Indian") tied his rock
to a stick with leather and called it a tomahawk. His technology and
culture was Neolithic until the European invasion.
http://www.old-picture.com/old-west/pictures/Tomahawk-Indian.jpg
That "handaxe" you picture is a scraper. The only circumstantial
evidence against the high intelligence of Palaeolithic man is the low
intelligence of the archaeologist.
to a stick with leather and called it a tomahawk. His technology and
culture was Neolithic until the European invasion.
http://www.old-picture.com/old-west/pictures/Tomahawk-Indian.jpg
That "handaxe" you picture is a scraper. The only circumstantial
evidence against the high intelligence of Palaeolithic man is the low
intelligence of the archaeologist.
bjacoby
May 17, 2012, 12:52:45 PM5/17/12
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On 5/17/2012 6:58 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
> It shows that only a very few exotic metals can be dated directly.
> There has been some success dating ancient iron from the carbon it
> contains, assuming it came from charcoal and not coal which has lost
> all its Carbon 14 and falsely reads about 60,000 years old from
> residual instrumental errors.
>
> Advanced industrial artifacts and an alloy that doesn't exist on Earth
> (except in one lab) have been planted as a hoax to agitate the
> gullible True Believers. It's easy because they ignore or dismiss
> evidence of fraud. Not that I would ever pull such a prank.
The problem with all the "prank" "explanations" is that they promote the
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
> It shows that only a very few exotic metals can be dated directly.
> There has been some success dating ancient iron from the carbon it
> contains, assuming it came from charcoal and not coal which has lost
> all its Carbon 14 and falsely reads about 60,000 years old from
> residual instrumental errors.
>
> Advanced industrial artifacts and an alloy that doesn't exist on Earth
> (except in one lab) have been planted as a hoax to agitate the
> gullible True Believers. It's easy because they ignore or dismiss
> evidence of fraud. Not that I would ever pull such a prank.
idea that only "gullible" people accept the possibility of prehistory
technology and culture. Science, of course, must be open to ANY evidence
no matter how much it points in directions currently unacceptable to
establishment authorities.
The truly gullible are those who accept these "plausible" fraud
"explanations" as true without demanding any PROOF of fraud. When it
comes to fraud, one has to take a forensic approach because believe it
or not when you ask a murderer if he "did it", usually they answer,
"No". And that goes for fraudsters planting Piltdown bones as well as
those alleging hoaxes to cover up real artifacts for political reasons.
Jim Wilkins
May 17, 2012, 6:27:37 PM5/17/12
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"Androcles" <M...@May.2012> wrote
> ...The only circumstantial
> evidence against the high intelligence of Palaeolithic man is the
> low
> intelligence of the archaeologist.
Oh, one of those.
> low
> intelligence of the archaeologist.
Androcles
May 17, 2012, 7:08:22 PM5/17/12
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It's very easy to take a superior attitude with the benefit of hindsight.
m II
May 17, 2012, 10:20:50 PM5/17/12
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>> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>
>>> Did anyone question how the age of metal artifacts can be
>>> measured?
>>
>>
>> All the metal artefacts in my pocket have dates on them. I
>> merely apply what I call 'subtraction' to tell the difference
>> from today's date.
>>
>> mike
>
> I can give you a special deal on a Julius Caesar commemorative
> marked "XLIV BC".
I'm sure *many* of the ancient seers and prognosticators did minting
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>> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>
>>> Did anyone question how the age of metal artifacts can be
>>> measured?
>>
>>
>> All the metal artefacts in my pocket have dates on them. I
>> merely apply what I call 'subtraction' to tell the difference
>> from today's date.
>>
>> mike
>
> I can give you a special deal on a Julius Caesar commemorative
> marked "XLIV BC".
on the side when the entrail reading traffic was slow. Me? I'm good at
postdiction. I can usually tell what just happened with an uncanny
accuracy.
mike 44
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Gunner Asch
May 19, 2012, 12:50:28 PM5/19/12
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When museums and collectors purchase archaeological items for their
collections they enter an expensive and potentially deceptive commercial
fine arts arena. Healthy profits are to be made from illicitly plundered
ancient sites or selling skillfully made forgeries. Archaeology dating
techniques can assure buyers that their item is not a fake by providing
scientific reassurance of the artefact's likely age.
Archaeological scientists have two primary ways of telling the age of
artefacts and the sites from which they came: relative dating and
absolute dating.
Relative Dating In Archaeology
Relative dating in archaeology presumes the age of an artefact in
relation and by comparison, to other objects found in its vicinity.
Limits to relative dating are that it cannot provide an accurate year or
a specific date of use.
The style of the artefact and its archaeology location stratigraphically
are required to arrive at a relative date. For example, if an artefact,
say an oil lamp, is found co-located on the same floor of a governor's
dwelling, and that floor can be dated in archaeology terms by reason of
the patterns employed in the mosaic, then it is assumed that in relation
to the floor that the lamp is of the same age.
Stratigraphy As A Dating Technique
The underlying principle of stratigraphic analysis in archaeology is
that of superposition. This term means that older artefacts are usually
found below younger items. When an archaeological site is excavated the
sides of the unexcavated baulk reveals layering of subsequent
settlements and activity. Stratigraphic excavation is the recording and
study of these different strata as they are removed from the area.
Related on Archaeology Expert...
The Archaeological Metallurgist
Ground Penetrating Radar in Archaeology
Defixiones: Curse Tablets
Decipherment
Style Analysis As An Archaeology Dating Technique
The shape and style of an artefact changes through time although its
function may remain the same. The changing styles of pottery, glass,
stoneware, and metal objects provide archaeology analysts with known
progressive sequences. Once an artefact is compared to its known
development date then whenever that item reappears in the archaeological
record, of that or any other site, it can quickly be dated.
The Weakness of Relative Dating
The potential flaws in relative dating in archaeology are obvious.
Simply assuming that an artefact is older because it was found at a
lower depth in the record is only subjective science. There are many
instances of deep holes being dug for rubbish pits or to locate well
water that protrude into the record of older strata injecting more
modern material as they are filled in over time. Landslides and slips
can completely change the topography of an entire archaeology site
burying what was once on top by that which is much older, hence
reversing the strata layers.
Absolute Dating As An Archaeology Dating Technique
A more precise and accurate archaeology dating system is known as
absolute dating and can in most circumstances provide a calendar year to
the object.
Since 1950 there has been a transformation in the dating techniques of
archaeologists. Absolute dating is highly dependant on laboratory
analysis. There are a number of techniques that have come to archaeology
through the nuclear research efforts during WW2.
Radiocarbon Dating In Archaeology
Radiocarbon dating uses the biological assumption that all living things
absorb carbon, both ordinary carbon, C12, and radioactive carbon, C14,
into their living tissue. At the moment of death the C14 begins to decay
at a rate that scientists already know from other experiments.
The missing amount can then determine how long it took to be lost and
therefore date the object to a precise period. C14 Radiocarbon dating
can only be used on organic matter.
Uranium - Lead Dating As A Dating Technique In Archaeology
Lithic items cannot be dated by C14 radiocarbon methods but the same
principle can be used using radioactive uranium. Rocks, when formed by
volcanic reaction or other cataclysmic event, contain a minute quantity
of radioactive substance. From the day of the rock's creation this
radioactivity begins to deplete. Like C14, by measuring the loss, a
scientist can attribute an age according to known loss rates.
Luminescence Dating In Archaeology
Artefacts that are made from crystalline materials and uncovered in an
excavation can be dated using luminescence analysis. Crystalline
minerals when subjected to intense heat will burn with differing colours
of flame. Mostly used to date pottery in archaeology the method is very
effective but costly.
The greatest problem with dating an artefact from an archaeology site is
that nearly every absolute dating process requires the destruction of at
least a piece of the object in conducting the analysis. There are
relatively few dating laboratories and having an artefact dated can be
an expensive exercise especially if the artefact is not of great value
itself.
(this one is fascinating to me btw..)
http://www.archaeologyexpert.co.uk/IndustrialArchaeology.html
Google it!
Gunner
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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Mho
May 22, 2012, 12:17:51 AM5/22/12
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Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnng !!!
Right over his head.
Stick with your PHP Hash smoking.
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"m II" wrote in message news:4fb5...@news.x-privat.org...
Right over his head.
Stick with your PHP Hash smoking.
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"m II" wrote in message news:4fb5...@news.x-privat.org...
I'm sure *many* of the ancient seers and prognosticators did minting
on the side when the entrail reading traffic was slow. Me? I'm good at
postdiction. I can usually tell what just happened with an uncanny
accuracy.
mike 44
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on the side when the entrail reading traffic was slow. Me? I'm good at
postdiction. I can usually tell what just happened with an uncanny
accuracy.
mike 44
G=EMC^2
May 22, 2012, 8:52:10 AM5/22/12
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On May 19, 12:50 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2012 21:07:13 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" <muratla...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"CWatters" <colin.watt...@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote in message
> >news:kbadnYn_XYBjby7S...@brightview.co.uk...
> (this one is fascinating to me btw..)http://www.archaeologyexpert.co.uk/IndustrialArchaeology.html
replaced. TreBert
> On Wed, 16 May 2012 21:07:13 -0400, "Jim Wilkins" <muratla...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"CWatters" <colin.watt...@NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote in message
> >news:kbadnYn_XYBjby7S...@brightview.co.uk...
> >> On 11/05/2012 05:05, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> How many times do you think the earth has shifted on it's axis?
>
> >>>http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2109/808/20,000_Year_Old_Spiral-Shaped...
> >>> How many times do you think the earth has shifted on it's axis?
>
>
> Google it!
>
> Gunner
>
> --
> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
> fools that made him their prince".
We gave Bush&Cheney 8 years,and the lives and money lost can never be
> Google it!
>
> Gunner
>
> --
> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
> fools that made him their prince".
replaced. TreBert
Gunner Asch
May 22, 2012, 3:12:35 PM5/22/12
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Seems like you are forgetting Congress..arent you?
"If by Congress you mean the House of Representatives the Democrats have
been the majority for about 46 of the last 60 years since 1950. The
Senate has been controlled by the Democrats for about 40 of those 60
years. The Democrats have controlled at least one or the other of the 2
branches over 50 of the 60 years. The Democrats have controlled both
Houses since 2007 - Exactly the period of the current Economic collapse
from an all time "high" in July 2007."
Odd how that pesky recession hit when the Obamassiah took control of the
Oval Office and the Demonrats took control of Congress..isnt it?
Seems as though they havent even managed to pass a budget in 2 years
either.
Speaking of lives and money lost...is it really true that Obama had more
US soldiers killed in the middle east in the past 3 yrs than Bush did
in his 7?
Its not true...is it?
<VBG>
You are a very very poor troll. Dont quit your night job at MickyDs
tj Frazir
May 22, 2012, 9:36:21 PM5/22/12
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I use a black light for one thing and an xxray reflected off the target
image for other things.
ir xray beam underwater.
telurite cavalerite gold ore .
gold ore hydroxides and the hydroxide that is mixed with florecent paint
do the same thing.
colorado richest mile on earth has the richest pepble streams on earth
and it takes a florecent black light to pick 4 tons of cavalerite stones
up in a day by one persons.
without it they might all look alike to you.
but with it you can pick up 1 ton of gold day one 20 pound rock at a
time out of a million rocks in 3 feet of water.
you ever wounder how I got so fucking rich ??
i do my homework ..my own unasined bustass.
http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA
image for other things.
ir xray beam underwater.
telurite cavalerite gold ore .
gold ore hydroxides and the hydroxide that is mixed with florecent paint
do the same thing.
colorado richest mile on earth has the richest pepble streams on earth
and it takes a florecent black light to pick 4 tons of cavalerite stones
up in a day by one persons.
without it they might all look alike to you.
but with it you can pick up 1 ton of gold day one 20 pound rock at a
time out of a million rocks in 3 feet of water.
you ever wounder how I got so fucking rich ??
i do my homework ..my own unasined bustass.
http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA
m II
May 24, 2012, 5:50:32 PM5/24/12
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> Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnng !!! Right over his head.
>
> Stick with your PHP Hash smoking.
>
> ---------- "m II" wrote in message
> news:4fb5...@news.x-privat.org... I'm sure *many* of the ancient
> seers and prognosticators did minting on the side when the entrail
> reading traffic was slow. Me? I'm good at postdiction. I can
> usually tell what just happened with an uncanny accuracy.
Grow up, Maynard. Check the meaning of 'seers and prognosticators'.
> Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnng !!! Right over his head.
>
> Stick with your PHP Hash smoking.
>
> ---------- "m II" wrote in message
> news:4fb5...@news.x-privat.org... I'm sure *many* of the ancient
> seers and prognosticators did minting on the side when the entrail
> reading traffic was slow. Me? I'm good at postdiction. I can
> usually tell what just happened with an uncanny accuracy.
A prophet would be telling the future if they were making a coin
marked 44 years before the arrival of Christ.
I'm sure Mister Wilkins understood my reply, even if you didn't.
mike
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Jim Wilkins
May 24, 2012, 6:07:02 PM5/24/12
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"m II" <C...@in.the.hat> wrote in message
>
> Mho wrote:
>
>> Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnng !!! Right over his head.
>>
>> Stick with your PHP Hash smoking.
>>
>> ---------- "m II" wrote in message
>> news:4fb5...@news.x-privat.org... I'm sure *many* of the ancient
>> seers and prognosticators did minting on the side when the entrail
>> reading traffic was slow. Me? I'm good at postdiction. I can
>> usually tell what just happened with an uncanny accuracy.
>
> Grow up, Maynard. Check the meaning of 'seers and prognosticators'.
>
> A prophet would be telling the future if they were making a coin
> marked 44 years before the arrival of Christ.
>
> I'm sure Mister Wilkins understood my reply, even if you didn't.
> mike
I have a Thermos shopping bag that keeps frozen food cold, but it
> Mho wrote:
>
>> Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnng !!! Right over his head.
>>
>> Stick with your PHP Hash smoking.
>>
>> ---------- "m II" wrote in message
>> news:4fb5...@news.x-privat.org... I'm sure *many* of the ancient
>> seers and prognosticators did minting on the side when the entrail
>> reading traffic was slow. Me? I'm good at postdiction. I can
>> usually tell what just happened with an uncanny accuracy.
>
> Grow up, Maynard. Check the meaning of 'seers and prognosticators'.
>
> A prophet would be telling the future if they were making a coin
> marked 44 years before the arrival of Christ.
>
> I'm sure Mister Wilkins understood my reply, even if you didn't.
> mike
keeps hot food hot.
How does it know???
jsw
Jim Wilkins
May 24, 2012, 7:10:15 PM5/24/12
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"m II" <C...@in.the.hat> wrote in message
>
> A prophet would be telling the future if they were making a coin
> marked 44 years before the arrival of Christ.
>
> I'm sure Mister Wilkins understood my reply, even if you didn't.
> mike
They didn't even get it right AFTERWARDS:
> A prophet would be telling the future if they were making a coin
> marked 44 years before the arrival of Christ.
>
> I'm sure Mister Wilkins understood my reply, even if you didn't.
> mike
http://themoorings.org/apologetics/chronology/Chrmas.html
Why December 25?
To replace this Roman partying and gift-giving festival:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia
jsw
m II
May 24, 2012, 10:38:42 PM5/24/12
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> I have a Thermos shopping bag that keeps frozen food cold, but it
> keeps hot food hot.
>
> How does it know???
I've noticed that over the years. The really smart ones tend to be bags.
> I have a Thermos shopping bag that keeps frozen food cold, but it
> keeps hot food hot.
>
> How does it know???
mike (not exactly a prize himself)
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Mho
May 28, 2012, 10:44:38 PM5/28/12
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Oh you are THAT moron!
Well known idiot all over Usenet!
Somebody made sure of it.
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"m II" wrote in message news:jpmaf9$cup$1...@dont-email.me...
Well known idiot all over Usenet!
Somebody made sure of it.
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m II
May 31, 2012, 9:40:59 PM5/31/12
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> Well known idiot all over Usenet! Somebody made sure of it.
You should know, Gimmy Boob, Maynard, 'lectron nuis
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Mho wrote:
> Oh you are THAT moron!
>
> Well known idiot all over Usenet! Somebody made sure of it.
and about two hundred other personalities...
Get a life and quit impersonating people. In other words, GROW UP MAYNARD.
mike
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Bob F
Jun 11, 2012, 10:50:55 AM6/11/12
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Winston_Smith wrote:
It is amazing the fabrications these right wing wackos will believe. And then
they want to elect they same kinds of guys, with the same agendas that got us
into this mess. Their answer to every problem is still tax cuts for the rich and
end regulation. It still has never worked. They've proven it doesn't work.
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:12:35 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Odd how that pesky recession hit when the Obamassiah took control of
>> the Oval Office and the Demonrats took control of Congress..isnt it?
>
> He took office early in 2008? I didn't know that.
> wrote:
>
>> Odd how that pesky recession hit when the Obamassiah took control of
>> the Oval Office and the Demonrats took control of Congress..isnt it?
>
It is amazing the fabrications these right wing wackos will believe. And then
they want to elect they same kinds of guys, with the same agendas that got us
into this mess. Their answer to every problem is still tax cuts for the rich and
end regulation. It still has never worked. They've proven it doesn't work.
john
Jun 11, 2012, 11:11:13 AM6/11/12
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On Thursday, 10 May 2012 22:05:50 UTC-6, (unknown) wrote:
> How many times do you think the earth has shifted on it's axis?
>
Many times.
> How many times do you think the earth has shifted on it's axis?
>
Gunner Asch
Jun 11, 2012, 2:41:49 PM6/11/12
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The Obamassiah was sworn in as president January 2009
The House was taken by Republicans in January of 20011
Now lets see here...2011 - 2007..say..thats 4 YEARS of controlling ALL
of Congress...right?
Now since the Senate is still Democrat controlled..lemeseehere..humm
2012-2007..say..thats...5 yrs...right?
Now how many budgets have been approved and passed in those 5 yrs?
<VBG>
Seems to me..you Leftards are very very aptly named.
Odd too..that while the Democrats set up the economy for a crash for the
last 2 years of the Bush administration..and it went right into the
toilet in 2008....while Democrats still controlled ALL of Congress..and
went swirling down the drain in January of 2009..it would appear that
having a Democrat in the Whitehouse..and controlling Congress...means
that the economy is not safe with any group of Democrats in
control..doesnt it?
And you can try changing the contents and intent of my post all you
like...the People reading it know better. <VBG>
And they will rise up this year and kill each and everyone of you,
simply to save the nation.
And it will indeed be fun to watch!
Bob F
Jun 12, 2012, 12:23:27 AM6/12/12
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senate make it clear what is happening. The Repubs are doing everything in their
power to block EVERYTHING the Democratic party has tried to do. Recent
revelations about meetings in which they made plans to do exactly that make it
even more clear. The Repubs are doing nothing that might help the economy of
this country, to make sure they win in the next election. Nothing else matters
to them.
Ignore reality if you must. Righttards are incredibly apt at that.
Gunner Asch
Jun 12, 2012, 3:00:21 AM6/12/12
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For 5 yrs? Really? Fascinating!!!
I thought you guys believe you were smarter than snail snot? You mean
you are actually dumber than snail snot? Really?
Well...looking at your post..and at the actual record of Democrats
pushing Republicans aside for those past 4-5 yrs..and still failing to
come up with a budget...4 yrs now isnt it?...I can well believe you are
dumber than snail snot.
Now if you think that Republicans have been holding the Majority
Democrats back from turning the US into a Socialist nation...<VBG>...Id
have to once again...applaude the Republicans for doing such good work!
And its all Bush's fault too! Right? That damned super intelligent
Bush..dumber than a bag of dog shit. He has been gone out of office for
nearly 4 yrs..and he is STILL controlling you Leftwingers!
Gunner
Bob F
Jun 12, 2012, 9:56:51 AM6/12/12
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the Repubs are following their leadership in absolute lock step, they can
prevent votes on anything. Democrats have negociated in good faith many times,
but when it comes to a vote, it doesn't matter what compromises they make, the
Repubs ALL vote against holding a vote on the bill. So, of course, nothing can
be passed. Which is clearly the goal of the Repubs. As you well know. So
knothing has passed that can really help our economy.
Many of the Democratic proposals were origionally Repub ideas. Cap and trade,
the health care mandate.... As soon as the Democrats decide something the Repubs
wanted is an acceptable idea, the Repubs are suddenly all against it. They don't
want anything to be done by the Democratic Party.
Of course, you already know all this.
It's all politics. Repub leaders have said clearly that their most important job
is to prevent Obama from being re-elected. Nothing else matters to them,
certainly not the well being of the working American.
Gunner Asch
Jun 12, 2012, 11:21:07 AM6/12/12
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So you are saying then that the Democrats refused to come up with any
bills that would pass Republican muster? That doesnt say very much
about the Democrat Agenda, does it, given the number of RINOs?
If the Democrats tried to pass a bill to say...declare the 2nd Amendment
null and void..and the Republicans blocked it..then the "damned
Republicans are blocking Democrat legislation!!!"?????
>
>Many of the Democratic proposals were origionally Repub ideas. Cap and trade,
>the health care mandate.... As soon as the Democrats decide something the Repubs
>wanted is an acceptable idea, the Repubs are suddenly all against it. They don't
>want anything to be done by the Democratic Party.
CCC..or slave labor (which has typically been a Democrat implimentation)
And you are good with this..right?
>
>Of course, you already know all this.
>
>It's all politics. Repub leaders have said clearly that their most important job
>is to prevent Obama from being re-elected. Nothing else matters to them,
>certainly not the well being of the working American.
>
Well being of the working American? Thats hardly in the consideration
>Of course, you already know all this.
>
>It's all politics. Repub leaders have said clearly that their most important job
>is to prevent Obama from being re-elected. Nothing else matters to them,
>certainly not the well being of the working American.
>
of Demonrats now is it?
Of course its not. And you know it. The Leftwing agenda has nothing to
do with working Americans..and in fact..is counter to working Americans
in fact and substance.
And you know that too.
Sucks to be a Leftwinger these days doesnt it? Gonna suck even worse
when the People come and drag you out of your quarters, stand you up on
a lawn chair, slip a barbed wire noose around your neck and then kick
the lawn chair away, letting you kick and twitch like a pinata from the
nearest tree or street light.
And it will be a very very good thing.
pyotr filipivich
Jun 13, 2012, 12:13:36 AM6/13/12
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:00:21 -0700
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>> Seems to me..you Leftards are very very aptly named.
>>
>>A quick glance at the incredible number of "filibusters" by the Repubs in the
>>senate make it clear what is happening. The Repubs are doing everything in their
>>power to block EVERYTHING the Democratic party has tried to do. Recent
>>revelations about meetings in which they made plans to do exactly that make it
>>even more clear. The Repubs are doing nothing that might help the economy of
>>this country, to make sure they win in the next election. Nothing else matters
>>to them.
>>
>>Ignore reality if you must. Righttards are incredibly apt at that.
>>
>>
>So Demonrats are unable to work around filibusters by a minority party?
>For 5 yrs? Really? Fascinating!!!
>
>I thought you guys believe you were smarter than snail snot? You mean
>you are actually dumber than snail snot? Really?
>
>Well...looking at your post..and at the actual record of Democrats
>pushing Republicans aside for those past 4-5 yrs..and still failing to
>come up with a budget...4 yrs now isnt it?...I can well believe you are
>dumber than snail snot.
>
>Now if you think that Republicans have been holding the Majority
>Democrats back from turning the US into a Socialist nation...<VBG>...Id
>have to once again...applaude the Republicans for doing such good work!
>
>And its all Bush's fault too! Right? That damned super intelligent
>Bush..dumber than a bag of dog shit. He has been gone out of office for
>nearly 4 yrs..and he is STILL controlling you Leftwingers!
"Dubya" is his Jedi name.
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Obi-wan once observed"The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."
Who knew Dubya was a Jedi Knight?
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:23:27 -0700, "Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:50:55 -0700, "Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
[whackage]
>
>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:50:55 -0700, "Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Seems to me..you Leftards are very very aptly named.
>>
>>A quick glance at the incredible number of "filibusters" by the Repubs in the
>>senate make it clear what is happening. The Repubs are doing everything in their
>>power to block EVERYTHING the Democratic party has tried to do. Recent
>>revelations about meetings in which they made plans to do exactly that make it
>>even more clear. The Repubs are doing nothing that might help the economy of
>>this country, to make sure they win in the next election. Nothing else matters
>>to them.
>>
>>Ignore reality if you must. Righttards are incredibly apt at that.
>>
>>
>So Demonrats are unable to work around filibusters by a minority party?
>For 5 yrs? Really? Fascinating!!!
>
>I thought you guys believe you were smarter than snail snot? You mean
>you are actually dumber than snail snot? Really?
>
>Well...looking at your post..and at the actual record of Democrats
>pushing Republicans aside for those past 4-5 yrs..and still failing to
>come up with a budget...4 yrs now isnt it?...I can well believe you are
>dumber than snail snot.
>
>Now if you think that Republicans have been holding the Majority
>Democrats back from turning the US into a Socialist nation...<VBG>...Id
>have to once again...applaude the Republicans for doing such good work!
>
>And its all Bush's fault too! Right? That damned super intelligent
>Bush..dumber than a bag of dog shit. He has been gone out of office for
>nearly 4 yrs..and he is STILL controlling you Leftwingers!
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Obi-wan once observed"The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."
Who knew Dubya was a Jedi Knight?
Jim Wilkins
Jun 13, 2012, 6:12:28 AM6/13/12
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"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:o84gt7pimqlqmf9o5...@4ax.com...
> ...
>>And its all Bush's fault too! Right? That damned super
>>intelligent
>>Bush..dumber than a bag of dog shit. He has been gone out of office
>>for
>>nearly 4 yrs..and he is STILL controlling you Leftwingers!
>
> "Dubya" is his Jedi name.
> pyotr filipivich
>>intelligent
>>Bush..dumber than a bag of dog shit. He has been gone out of office
>>for
>>nearly 4 yrs..and he is STILL controlling you Leftwingers!
>
> "Dubya" is his Jedi name.
They simply need a responsible white male authority/father figure to
blame, to mask their incompetence.
John
Jul 15, 2012, 12:55:48 AM7/15/12
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> Ancient modern tools. While quarrying limestone in 1786, workers came
> to a bed of sand about 50 feet below ground level. In the layer of
> sand, however, they found the stumps of stone pillars and fragments of
> half-worked rock. Digging further, they found coins, the petrified
> wooden handles of hammers, and pieces of other petrified wooden tools.
> The sand in which the discovery was made was beneath a layer of
> limestone dated at 300 million years old.
How do they know it is 300 million years old? Where they there 300
million years ago to see it?
I suggest it is 4,300 years old max.
Bob F
Jul 15, 2012, 1:10:27 AM7/15/12
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Jim Wilkins
Jul 15, 2012, 7:09:42 AM7/15/12
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"Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jttjc6$dtq$1...@dont-email.me...
It could have been a Roman-era mine. Whose head was on the coins?
Stratigraphic dating requires intelligent analysis. .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratigraphy_(archaeology)
This is the partly eaten carcass of a rare Baird's beaked whale that
the creationists still claim as proof of modern dinosaurs:
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/07/08/moores-beach-monster/
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Stratigraphic dating requires intelligent analysis. .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratigraphy_(archaeology)
This is the partly eaten carcass of a rare Baird's beaked whale that
the creationists still claim as proof of modern dinosaurs:
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/07/08/moores-beach-monster/
jsw
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