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Anomaly Magnetism

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Mar 7, 2003, 12:23:46 AM3/7/03
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The quantum of light is the "photon"

The quantum of sound is the "sonon" [phonon?]

The quantums of electricity are "electron", "proton", "positron", and
"anti-proton"

The quantums of heat would then be the "thermon" [or "pyron"].
Right??? If not, what is it?? It cannot be the photon or phonon for
reasons described above.

sonon [or phonon] = quantum of sound

Photon = quantum of light.

Electron = quantum of negative electricity

Proton = quantum positive electricity

Positron = quantum of positive equivalent of electron

Anti-proton = quantum negative equivalent of proton**

X = quantum of heat

What is X?


**Is the anti-proton really the negative equivalent of the proton? If
so, wouldn't it be more correct to call it "negaton" rather than
"anti-proton"?


My following questions [of interest] ask about magnetic equivalents of
electricity:

Electric monopoles in electricity = Magnetic monopoles in magnetism

Electric dipoles in electricity = Magnetic dipoles in magnetism

Electric fields in electricity = Magnetic fields in magnetism

Positive electric monopoles in electricity = South magnetic monopoles
in magnetism

NOTE: [positive takes in energy and negative gives out energy]
[negative electrode gives out electrons and positive electrode takes
in electrons]

Negative electric monopoles in electricity = North magnetic monopoles
in magnetism

Negative electric field in electricity = North magnetic field in
magnetism

Positive electric field in electricity = South magnetic field in
magnetism

Electromotive force [i.e. voltage] = Magnetomotive force in magnetism

What is magnetomotive force measured in?

Amperes in electricity = X in magnetism

What is X and what is it measured in?

Coulomb in electricity = Z in magnetism

What is Z and what is it measured in?

Electron in electricity = M- in magnetism

What is M-?

Proton in electricity = M+ in magnetism

What is M+?

Mark Fergerson

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Mar 7, 2003, 1:43:45 AM3/7/03
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Anomaly Magnetism wrote:
> The quantum of light is the "photon"

Oh, boy.

> The quantum of sound is the "sonon" [phonon?]

"Phonon". Look it up.

> The quantums of electricity are "electron", "proton", "positron", and
> "anti-proton"

No, it's the quantity of _charge_ carried by the above
particles, and others.

> The quantums of heat would then be the "thermon" [or "pyron"].
> Right??? If not, what is it?? It cannot be the photon or phonon for
> reasons described above.

What is heat? At human scales (actually slightly below)
it's consonant with particle velocity. Since all particles
have mass, it ought to be momentum. There's no S.I unit for
momentum.

Do you know the difference between "temperature" and "heat"?

<snip fertilizer>

> My following questions [of interest] ask about magnetic equivalents of
> electricity:

Stop right there. Why do you assume there _are_
equivalents? Did you miss the last couple hundred years?

> Electric monopoles in electricity = Magnetic monopoles in magnetism

There are no magnetic monopoles. Let us know when you
find out about quadrupoles.

<snip more fertilizer>

> NOTE: [positive takes in energy and negative gives out energy]
> [negative electrode gives out electrons and positive electrode takes
> in electrons]

Where did this come from? Go bother Benjamin Franklin for
making a bad guess.

<snip more... you get the idea>

> Electromotive force [i.e. voltage] = Magnetomotive force in magnetism

Uh, no.

> What is magnetomotive force measured in?
>
> Amperes in electricity = X in magnetism
>
> What is X and what is it measured in?

There are textbooks for this kind of thing.

> Coulomb in electricity = Z in magnetism
>
> What is Z and what is it measured in?
>
> Electron in electricity = M- in magnetism
>
> What is M-?
>
> Proton in electricity = M+ in magnetism
>
> What is M+?

Here's a hint; look up "magneton". Notice there are several.

Mark L. Fergerson

Jon Bell

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Mar 7, 2003, 2:43:29 AM3/7/03
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In article <3f3e2522.03030...@posting.google.com>,

Anomaly Magnetism <magnetic-...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>Electromotive force [i.e. voltage] = Magnetomotive force in magnetism
>
>What is magnetomotive force measured in?

I'm not aware that there *is* a quantity called "magnetomotive force."
Electromotive force is the integral of electric field times distance, and
one can consider the integral of magnetic field times distance, but it
doesn't have a special name. Its units would be tesla-meters. According
to Maxwell's equations, its integral around a closed path is always zero,
whereas the integral of electromotive force *can* be non-zero (that's what
drives current around an electric circuit).

>Amperes in electricity = X in magnetism
>
>What is X and what is it measured in?
>
>Coulomb in electricity = Z in magnetism
>
>What is Z and what is it measured in?

There's no such thing as "magnetic charge" as far as we know (from
experiment), so there's no such thing as "magnetic current" either. Do a
Web search on "magnetic monopoles" and you'll probably find stuff about
the unsuccessful attempts to observe the effects of "magnetic charge."

--
Jon Bell <jtbe...@presby.edu> Presbyterian College
Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA

Franz Heymann

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Mar 7, 2003, 5:02:15 AM3/7/03
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"Jon Bell" <jtbe...@presby.edu> wrote in message
news:HBDC...@presby.edu...
> In article <3f3e2522.03030...@posting.google.com>,

[...]

> I'm not aware that there *is* a quantity called "magnetomotive
force."
> Electromotive force is the integral of electric field times
distance, and
> one can consider the integral of magnetic field times distance, but
it
> doesn't have a special name.

MMF has a definition which is analogous to EMF. It is measured in
Ampere-turns. It is used routinely when designing magnets.

FRanz Heymann


Uncle Al

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Mar 7, 2003, 10:51:19 AM3/7/03
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Anomaly Magnetism wrote:
>
> The quantum of light is the "photon"
>
> The quantum of sound is the "sonon" [phonon?]

A bullshit smell arises.



> The quantums of electricity are "electron", "proton", "positron", and
> "anti-proton"

Agrammatical idiot.



> The quantums of heat would then be the "thermon" [or "pyron"].
> Right??? If not, what is it?? It cannot be the photon or phonon for
> reasons described above.

[snip]

Go crack a physics book. Your bellybutton lint is lying to you.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!

Thomas Lee Elifritz

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Mar 7, 2003, 12:17:07 PM3/7/03
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February 7, 2003

Mark Fergerson <mferg...@cox.net> wrote in message :

> What is heat? At human scales (actually slightly below)
> it's consonant with particle velocity. Since all particles
> have mass, it ought to be momentum. There's no S.I unit for
> momentum.

Sure there is. The SI unit of momentum is the 'Fritz'. :-)

http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net/elements.htm#derived

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.altantic.net

Gregory L. Hansen

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Mar 7, 2003, 1:07:51 PM3/7/03
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In article <3f3e2522.03030...@posting.google.com>,
Anomaly Magnetism <magnetic-...@excite.com> wrote:

>X = quantum of heat
>
>What is X?

Phonon, a vibrational excitation of the material.

>Electromotive force [i.e. voltage] = Magnetomotive force in magnetism
>
>What is magnetomotive force measured in?

Gauss per centimeter, I suppose.

>
>Amperes in electricity = X in magnetism
>
>What is X and what is it measured in?

Amperes is a flow of a quantity of electrical charge per unit time. There
is no magnetic charge (no monopoles), so metrics have not been invented
for it.

>
>Coulomb in electricity = Z in magnetism
>
>What is Z and what is it measured in?

Again, no magnetic charge, so no unit was invented for it.
--
"A nice adaptation of conditions will make almost any hypothesis agree
with the phenomena. This will please the imagination but does not advance
our knowledge." -- J. Black, 1803.

Franz Heymann

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Mar 7, 2003, 4:05:28 PM3/7/03
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"Gregory L. Hansen" <glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:b4an5n$3f5$1...@hood.uits.indiana.edu...

> In article <3f3e2522.03030...@posting.google.com>,
> Anomaly Magnetism <magnetic-...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >X = quantum of heat
> >
> >What is X?
>
> Phonon, a vibrational excitation of the material.
>
> >Electromotive force [i.e. voltage] = Magnetomotive force in
magnetism
> >
> >What is magnetomotive force measured in?
>
> Gauss per centimeter, I suppose.

Integral H.dl cannot be gauss per centimetre.
The unit is in fact the ampere-turn in the sense in which MMF is used
in magnet design


>
> >
> >Amperes in electricity = X in magnetism
> >
> >What is X and what is it measured in?
>
> Amperes is a flow of a quantity of electrical charge per unit time.
There
> is no magnetic charge (no monopoles), so metrics have not been
invented
> for it.
>
> >
> >Coulomb in electricity = Z in magnetism
> >
> >What is Z and what is it measured in?
>
> Again, no magnetic charge, so no unit was invented for it.

In the old-fashioned approach to magnetostatics, it did not have a
specific name. The pole strength of a magnetic pole was just referred
to as being so many emu.

Franz Heymann


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