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 More options Nov 19 2012, 8:43 pm
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, sci.astro
From: "n...@bid.nes" <alien8...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:43:22 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 19 2012 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: Aether has mass
On Nov 19, 2:49 pm, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 19, 5:39 pm, "n...@bid.nes" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Nov 18, 12:12 pm, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Nov 18, 12:59 pm, "n...@bid.nes" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > On Nov 18, 12:21 am, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > On Nov 17, 11:42 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > On Nov 17, 6:38 pm, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > On Nov 17, 3:03 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 9:01 am, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 11:54 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:29 am, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
> > > > > > > > > > > matter is gravity.

> > > > > > > > > > That's our very own Sheldon Cooper for us, posting as mpc755.

> > > > > > > > > What Voyager detected is the aether pushing back and exerting inward
> > > > > > > > > pressure toward the Solar System.

> > > > > > > > > The closer you get to the Earth the greater the force of the displaced
> > > > > > > > > aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the Earth.

> > > > > > > > > Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
> > > > > > > > > matter is gravity.

> > > > > > > > Once again, our compulsive disorder motivated Sheldon Cooper(aka
> > > > > > > > mpc755) is driving his purely subjective opinion down our throats, as
> > > > > > > > though we need to be force indoctrinated.  Of course, you do realize
> > > > > > > > that's a very typical faith-based mafia tactic of yours.

> > > > > > > > What's next? (perhaps the use of stun-guns or tasers on us)

> > > > > > > Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
> > > > > > > Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back
> > > > > > > and exerts inward pressure toward matter.

> > > > > > > Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
> > > > > > > matter is gravity.

> > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
> > > > > > > double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
> > > > > > > the associated wave in the aether through both.

> > > > > > Parrot speak noted.  Do you get a cracker each time you repeat
> > > > > > yourself?

> > > > > Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
> > > > > Aether is physically displaced by matter.

> > > >   When a bit of aether gets displaced, what is between it and the bit
> > > > of aether it used to be next to?

> > > >   Mark L. Fergerson

> > > Einstein defined motion in terms of the aether as the aether does not
> > > consist of individual particles which can be separately tracked
> > > through time.

> > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

> > > "Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two
> > > entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory
> > > surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the
> > > course of time; or else-with the help of small floats, for instance -
> > > we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water
> > > alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for
> > > tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental
> > > impossibility in physics - if, in fact nothing else whatever were
> > > observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it
> > > varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water
> > > consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise
> > > it as a medium."

> > > "if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of
> > > the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have
> > > no ground for the assumption that water" consists of bits.

> >   You've posted that reply before, and it's completely irrelevant
> > since it describes transverse waves. Volume waves within a body of
> > water's depths *are * relevant, and since they're longitudinal waves,
> > the particulate nature of water is absolutely essential in
> > characterizing them.

> >   Since you're describing longitudinal waves in your concept of
> > aether, you can not evade its necessarily particulate nature.

> >   Now, when a given particle of it is displaced, what occupies the
> > space between it and its ex-nearest neighbor?

> >   Mark L. Fergerson

> What part of "if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than
> the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we
> should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of
> movable particles."

  Except we observe other properties of water; frinst, it boils.

  Still not relevant.

> You are able to understand Einstein is using water as an analogy for
> the aether, correct?

  A poor one, and you are abusing it.

> You are able to understand Einstein is stating there is no ground for
> the assumption that the aether consists of movable particles, correct?

  You are able to understand that I am not having a conversation with
Einstein?

  If *your* aether does not comprise any sort of component parts, how
can you claim it is capable of being displaced, specifically, of
supporting longitudinal waves?

  Mark L. Fergerson


 
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