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From: Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com>
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On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Oct 2012 03:50:43 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<b08a09a1-75ca-4387-adc9-b6bddeaf6...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>:

>On 7 Ott, 12:20, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Oct 2012 02:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
>> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
>> <99870d51-a729-4e4e-8fe8-6c9ef3cad...@bv9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> >For instance yesterday, at 9 p.m., I noted a very ample excursion of
>> >phase, about 2 MHz!
>>
>> But phase is measured in degrees, not MHz...
>
>Excuse, I forget to say "apparent MHz": it's of how MHz I must change
>the frequency of generator to obtain that phase.
>I'm practic. May be too...(for this I agree with british empirism!).

Yes, OK,
I am working with some GHz stuff myself, about 10 GHz (satellite),
and 1.575 GHz (GPS), and the sat IF frequencies, and PLLs.
I have little problem to make the frequencies you use,
but never tried a 'magic T'.
In a PLL based synthesizer, it almost looks as if your signal generator
PLL was knocked out of lock by perhaps some transient? Mains fluctuation?
Or is it some DDS chip based sort of design?
It would be cool if you could compare it somehow to the 1 575 420 000 Hz
GPS L1 carrier, but even then there is a Doppler effect.
But so far I have not noticed any directional effect in cables,
or dynamically moving cables, doing microwave in the open always has
a zillion reflection from all around though.
We once did a 10 GHz gun diode based transceiver, and IIRC even blinking
your eye caused Doppler effect, very sensitive.

I later build an audio (acoustic) Doppler system, it could also detect an eye
blinking.. Very simple thing actually made for old remote controls.
In my view it could be used to detect brain waves by detecting the muscle movements on the head.
And that was sound waves, also in the cm range, of course different from EM waves
as we then have air as medium, and some deny the existence of an ether as medium for EM waves,
and some believe in Santa, well, would it not be nice to hear them laughing a 10 thousand years from now
if they read all this, if humanity is still around.
Experimenting is fun, have a look at his for example:
 http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/lorentz/experiment.html
But I got a null result, with limited sensitivity that is.
I found the Russians repeated it with better equipment and also got zero.
And now I am testing radioactive decay versus time, that experiment will run some more month.

I give up rather fast, for me, for the effect to be important or usable,
it will have to be big, if not then no practical use... at least not for me.
Your effect is very big, and that is a bit suspicious in itself.
If it was true it would open the gate to massless propulsion for example, actually the 
first thing that my brain came up with when reading your experiment is the claim someone
is making that a closed cavity of pyramid shape with a RF microwave source in it experiences a force one way.
It is on the web somewhere.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive
And I do not know if that claim is true either.
My microwave oven has not flown away yet.

Some time ago I bought some precision balances to do that sort of experiments, I have enough stuff to play with
for years to come.