Waterpumps
JT
pressure to weight ratio?
Could it be strong enough to selflevitate if pushed against ground,
mm, cm or even a meter?
JT
Uncle Al
Depends on how massive the extension cord is - the extension cord for
the water. Put a hundred kilovolts on it and it will levitate without
spewing water,
<http://static.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/0/6/1/large/1606582.jpg>
Ypres, Belgium: a solitary tap suspended in mid-air
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_levitation>
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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JT
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Well i did not to build an electric boiler myself, and certainly not a
turbine.
I just need a strong pump, with good psi to weight ratio.
JT
JT
> JTwrote:
>
> > Where do you go to find a standard 220v electric waterpump with best
> > pressure to weight ratio?
>
> > Could it be strong enough to selflevitate if pushed against ground,
>
> > mm, cm or even a meter?
>
> Depends on how massive the extension cord is - the extension cord for
> the water. Put a hundred kilovolts on it and it will levitate without
> spewing water,
>
> <http://static.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/0/6/1/large/1606582.jpg>
> Ypres, Belgium: a solitary tap suspended in mid-air
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_levitation>
>
> --
> (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
Acually AI it is for a fountain so no extension cord for water needed,
just an adjustable nozzle and a waterproof enclosing.
What is the physic theory for a fountain on a scale if you adjust the
pump nozzle pressure levitating water in the air, will there be a
force pushing scale down? A weight gain, weight loss or will the scale
remain indifferent.
JT
jmfbahciv
> JT wrote:
>> Where do you go to find a standard 220v electric waterpump with best
>> pressure to weight ratio?
>>
>> Could it be strong enough to selflevitate if pushed against ground,
>>
>> mm, cm or even a meter?
>
> Depends on how massive the extension cord is - the extension cord for
> the water. Put a hundred kilovolts on it and it will levitate without
> spewing water,
>
> <http://static.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/0/6/1/large/1606582.jpg>
> Ypres, Belgium: a solitary tap suspended in mid-air
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_levitation>
Transition from a 4" pipe to a 1/2" pipe?
/BAH
tj Frazir
200 psi tank and a ball valve on a 2 inch line to a 50 gal ac tank full
of water with a pipe out the bottom bent and pointed up to shoot up.
A steam coil will be better then the air compressor.
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this is better still
tj Frazir
Viva los veges ..
tj Frazir
its much less energy to use a small doble tube coil and 1 stove burner
on gas with a bbq tank.
I have the baddest fucking pump on the planet.
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It kicks a fire trucks ass.
JT
> 1000 psi is the coolest fountains.
>
> its much less energy to use a small doble tube coil and 1 stove burner
> on gas with a bbq tank.
>
> I have the baddest fucking pump on the planet.
>
> Whale.Steam.Engine.2.jpg
> on Wednesday, October 14, 2009
>
> It kicks a fire trucks ass.
So what happen if you put a thin bowl shaped fountain it is
waterfilled and with a pump it stand on a scale and go from zero psi
to max?
Will the scale show weight decrease due to water pumping in air, or
weight increase due to recoil force from the pump pressing it down or
does the system remain indifferent on the scale?
Nobody knows the answer to the question? Someone must have tested this
i would say there is a force pushing fountain down but due to the mass
redistribution when water move upward it will lose weight.
But what is the neteffect of the fountain + or - weight on scale?
JT
JT
When you answered the question you can try this one what will happen
if the bowl fountain is enclosed with an upper bowl and some engineous
device evaporator manage to vaporize the steam before it reach the
upper bowl.
Now maybe the bowl isn't actually bowl shaped more like plate shaped
or disc shaped where goes the forces?
JT
William Hughes
> On 23 Okt, 03:10, GravityPhys...@webtv.net (tj Frazir) wrote:
>
> > 1000 psi is the coolest fountains.
>
> > its much less energy to use a small doble tube coil and 1 stove burner
> > on gas with a bbq tank.
>
> > I have the baddest fucking pump on the planet.
>
> > Whale.Steam.Engine.2.jpg
> > Address:http://jeffrelf.f-m.fm/Whale.Steam.Engine.2.jpgChanged:4:43PM
> > on Wednesday, October 14, 2009
>
> > It kicks a fire trucks ass.
>
> So what happen if you put a thin bowl shaped fountain it is
> waterfilled and with a pump it stand on a scale and go from zero psi
> to max?
>
> Will the scale show weight decrease due to water pumping in air, or
> weight increase due to recoil force from the pump pressing it down or
> does the system remain indifferent on the scale?
>
Consider the case of pumping one small drop of water
at arbitrary velocity. The change in weight of the water
is very small, but the recoil force is arbitrarily large. So the
scale reading can go up.
Now keep doing this. Eventually, all the water will be gone.
No more recoil force. The scale reading can go down
(better put a slight angle on the nozzle, or the rain of droplets
may complicate things).
The general case
When you start pumping, it doesn't matter
how much water you pump. You can't pump it with
less recoil force than it weighs. So at the beginning
the reading must go up (by an arbitrarily small amount).
At the end the reading will be decreased by the weight of
the water.
While you are pumping the reading can go down
(by whatever water has been pumped) or can be
arbitrarily high.
- William Hughes
JT
> On Oct 22, 11:56 pm, JT <jonas.thornv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 23 Okt, 03:10, GravityPhys...@webtv.net (tj Frazir) wrote:
>
> > > 1000 psi is the coolest fountains.
>
> > > its much less energy to use a small doble tube coil and 1 stove burner
> > > on gas with a bbq tank.
>
> > > I have the baddest fucking pump on the planet.
>
> > > Whale.Steam.Engine.2.jpg
> > > Address:http://jeffrelf.f-m.fm/Whale.Steam.Engine.2.jpgChanged:4:43PM
> > > on Wednesday, October 14, 2009
>
> > > It kicks a fire trucks ass.
>
> > So what happen if you put a thin bowl shaped fountain it is
> > waterfilled and with a pump it stand on a scale and go from zero psi
> > to max?
>
> > Will the scale show weight decrease due to water pumping in air, or
> > weight increase due to recoil force from the pump pressing it down or
> > does the system remain indifferent on the scale?
>
> Consider the case of pumping one small drop of water
> at arbitrary velocity. The change in weight of the water
> is very small, but the recoil force is arbitrarily large. So the
> scale reading can go up.
I am not sure about the recoil to weight ratio, what i do not
understand is that there seem to lack a formula for the case it seem
pretty basic math,
And i think you forgot we talk about fountains here so we probably
should incorporate gravity letting the water go down also, it will go
down to the bowl at same rate as up if the pressure is constant.
But as long the pressure increase there will be a climbing water
weight decrease and a raising force pressing the bowl down. But again
where is the formula for a fountain on a scale?
> Now keep doing this. Eventually, all the water will be gone.
I've never seen fountain running out on water except for small amount
vaporised by heat of sun. But my fountain run in an enclosed system so
i can not see how.
Where do you think the water did go, ;D
> No more recoil force. The scale reading can go down
> (better put a slight angle on the nozzle, or the rain of droplets
> may complicate things).
Well if we assume a straight nozzle only levitating a pillar of water
straight up there will not be that much droplets until the water hit
the surface of pound in fountain.
>
> The general case
>
> When you start pumping, it doesn't matter
> how much water you pump. You can't pump it with
> less recoil force than it weighs. So at the beginning
> the reading must go up (by an arbitrarily small amount).
> At the end the reading will be decreased by the weight of
> the water.
So when the fountain find a constant flowrate levitating a 30 cm
pillar of water that also fall back into fountain pound due to
gravity, will it have a + , - or = original weight?
Your general answer seem to be that the water pushing force and the
recoil force extinguish eachother and leaves you with the weight loss
of water pumping up, *but it must come down to with a force at surface
of pound* or does gravity have a recoil?
There is something missing here surely there must been some people
tried to find out a general formula for fountains.
> While you are pumping the reading can go down
> (by whatever water has been pumped) or can be
> arbitrarily high.
I find your answer both fuzzy and not so convincing, in fact i am
quite sure you did not answer the question.
Questions.
1. +,- or unchanged *during the raising of pressure*
2 +.- or unchanged *during the constant rate of flow*
JT
> - William Hughes- Dölj citerad text -
>
> - Visa citerad text -
jmfbahciv
> On 22 Okt, 14:48, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>> Uncle Al wrote:
>>> JT wrote:
>>>> Where do you go to find a standard 220v electric waterpump with best
>>>> pressure to weight ratio?
>>>> Could it be strong enough to selflevitate if pushed against ground,
>>>> mm, cm or even a meter?
>>> Depends on how massive the extension cord is - the extension cord for
>>> the water. Put a hundred kilovolts on it and it will levitate without
>>> spewing water,
>>> <http://static.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/0/6/1/large/1606582.jpg>
>>> Ypres, Belgium: a solitary tap suspended in mid-air
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_levitation>
>> Transition from a 4" pipe to a 1/2" pipe?
>>
>> /BAH
>
> When you answered the question you can try this one
Aw, shit. Not another one. How about you build a working model
and report back to us?
/BAH
JT
No better put some AI's on doing the math i feel exhausted.
But it seem like the thrust *vaporize* and create pressure in every
direction and there is a recoil in the system.
So you have a waterpiston with recoil forces and a thrust force that
is evaporated to only cause a pressure change, it is a closed system.
The system would probably be quite similar to a cooling device with
evaporator in one end and cooling in the other. The evaporator will
probably cause quite a pressure inside the flying refrigerator so
there will be no problem to drive the pump.
So where do you buy plateshaped refrigerators.
JT
JT
JT
These questions seems impossible to answer for both bots and humans,
one can only wonder why.
JT
JT
The state of art physics claim that if you contain a gun with a bullet
in a superigid closed vessle and fire it, the recoil force will move
the vessle as long backard as the bullet move the vessel forward.
Equillibrium of forces.
But now imagine the bullet carrying a small detonator inside shredding
the bullet to pieces spreading the material along the vessels wall,
where do the vessel move.
Now it is maybe time to rething what happens when an evaporator shred
a water piston into hot steam. Vaporizers is quite powerfull
watershredders.
Maybe you will find out there will be a force moving the vessel with a
waterpump and evaporator.
See my suggestion for a drive in inertial propulsion thread.
JT
Sam Wormley
>
> The state of art physics claim that if you contain a gun with a bullet
> in a superigid closed vessle and fire it, the recoil force will move
> the vessle as long backard as the bullet move the vessel forward.
> Equillibrium of forces.
If the vessel is a closed system, what would you expect the net
change in momentum to be.
>
> But now imagine the bullet carrying a small detonator inside shredding
> the bullet to pieces spreading the material along the vessels wall,
> where do the vessel move.
Conservation of Momentum holds.
JT
> JTwrote:
>
> > The state of art physics claim that if you contain a gun with a bullet
> > in a superigid closed vessle and fire it, the recoil force will move
> > the vessle as long backard as the bullet move the vessel forward.
> > Equillibrium of forces.
>
> If the vessel is a closed system, what would you expect the net
> change in momentum to be.
We both recognize the recoil but if the bullet totally would shred
vapour most of the momentum/thrust would be transfered to a chaotic
system spreading heat along the vessels walls. We can assume a
tubelike closed vessel.
The way i see it there is three ways to redirect forces of momentum
waves, chaotic oscillation(waves) or deformation zones.
You do not have to be a genius or work with rocketscience to see all
aproaches will work.
>
> > But now imagine the bullet carrying a small detonator inside shredding
> > the bullet to pieces spreading the material along the vessels wall,
> > where do the vessel move.
>
> Conservation of Momentum holds.
Well if you regard that the vessel moving backward while exchainging
heat with the surrounding to be conservation of momentum you are
correct but the vessel will gain momentum in one direction if in space
or on earth.
JT
JT
> The best fountains ,,are water rockets.
>
> Viva los veges ..
Did you sell any pumps/engines in Vegas?
JT
Sam Wormley
> On 26 Okt, 03:25, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> JTwrote:
>>
>>> The state of art physics claim that if you contain a gun with a bullet
>>> in a superigid closed vessle and fire it, the recoil force will move
>>> the vessle as long backard as the bullet move the vessel forward.
>>> Equillibrium of forces.
>> If the vessel is a closed system, what would you expect the net
>> change in momentum to be.
>
> We both recognize the recoil but if the bullet totally would shred
> vapour most of the momentum/thrust would be transfered to a chaotic
> system spreading heat along the vessels walls. We can assume a
> tubelike closed vessel.
>
> The way i see it there is three ways to redirect forces of momentum
> waves, chaotic oscillation(waves) or deformation zones.
You should say to yourself, "I know that conservation of
momentum is not violated, therefore I am wrong. I best
rethink this physical problem".
JT
> JT wrote:
> > On 26 Okt, 03:25, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >> JTwrote:
>
> >>> The state of art physics claim that if you contain a gun with a bullet
> >>> in a superigid closed vessle and fire it, the recoil force will move
> >>> the vessle as long backard as the bullet move the vessel forward.
> >>> Equillibrium of forces.
> >> If the vessel is a closed system, what would you expect the net
> >> change in momentum to be.
>
> > We both recognize the recoil but if the bullet totally would shred
> > vapour most of the momentum/thrust would be transfered to a chaotic
> > system spreading heat along the vessels walls. We can assume a
> > tubelike closed vessel.
>
> > The way i see it there is three ways to redirect forces of momentum
> > waves, chaotic oscillation(waves) or deformation zones.
>
> You should say to yourself, "I know that conservation of
> momentum is not violated, therefore I am wrong. I best
> rethink this physical problem".
Hardly correct, the conservation of energy is not violated but action
and reaction of forces is not in equillibrium.
Momentum is easyly changed into oscillation in any liquid or gas with
momentum by just raising temperature or pressure. You will get
"thermal heat" from that exchange everyone knows that that is the
reason steam engine works.
And that oscillation do not have the same force vector of momentum for
the individual particles as the initial thrust of liquid or gas they
will bump into eachother creating heat. You just raise the temperature
and suddenly your momentum is an oscillating system.
That's fact and not the handwaving argumentation shouting
"conservation of momentum" you seem to support. Maybe conservation of
momentum only apply to rigid materials not to liquid and gas.
And i really mean rigid material i am not even sure conservation of
momentum action and reaction apply if you shoot bouncing rubberballs.
#But now i stretch it# as the wiseman said.
JT
JT
Ok i admit i suggest inertial propulsion by structural enginiering
shooting rubberballs inside a ship in space that have some stuctural
characteristics and it will work, i am not joking. It will not be
antigravity but it will be inertial propulsion thru space.
Are your faces long enough or do i have to stretch them further.
JT
JT
You see the recoil of the airgun does not give a damn about the angle
of the obstacle the rubberball hit.
And since even the most stupid elementary school 1st grader now that
the ball will not lose all momentum go figure Uncle AI.
JT
JT
>
> - Visa citerad text -- Dölj citerad text -
>
> - Visa citerad text -
For anyone still fumbling in dark out there on howto cancel out
momentum *forward* for the rubberball, here is my hint slightly adjust
the angle the ball bounce.
Let the obstacles change the ball angle in such way be a toothsaw wave
that slowly flattens out to oscillate between two points. And the
little fucker is still oscillating between the to points perpendicular
to the recoil.
There is probably alot of geometries and structural enginering that
let the momentum of the thrust be transfered to sideways oscillation
or similar. And this is just using a simple rubberball.
Now some will try to convince you that the obstacles will somehow
affect the recoil.
But the little fucker is still happy in space bouncing between the two
points while the object moves thru in the direction of the recoil, do
not let anyone let you think otherwise.
JT
JT
>
> - Visa citerad text -
Actually comparing three structural designs using a potato airgun
shooting rubberball attached to a lightweight encapsuling rig, one
with obstacles that make ball have a sawtooth trajectory along the rig
before it extinguish and one where the ball is free to bounce back and
forth. And one where the ball is catched in sand or flour.
In all cases the action reaction should be the same the rig rocking
but not moving backwards or forwards. Could be a science project for
elementary school problem is getting potato gun and tube rig not
leaking air. And give the potatogun recoil enough to be noticable and
measurable.
JT
tj Frazir
They are upside down whale engines.
steam or compressed air is all good.
steam is better per volume.
all electri steam vaves from aerospace.
Build a mini doble tube boiler and use the BBQ grill side pot burner to
heat the coil.
blast the water out of the cannon 500 feet high.
The cannon can be a tank for a long streaming shot. Pumped up to 1000
psi and let the jet ballvalve open .
You wount find a water pump to do this.
You can park a fire truck in the yard but it cant send water like a tank
pumped up to 1000 psi.
The fire truck can do 200 psi.
Aleph
> I showed them where to buy all the parts ad what to build.
> They are upside down whale engines.
>
> <snip drivel>
This is almost word for word the same nonsense you were spewing out 5
years ago.
You are a retard.
How does webtv even still exist?
--
Aleph
This message was posted to usenet so please reply that way. Emails to
this account are very likely to be ignored.
tj Frazir
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They had to use my water rockets on steam or the vegus water cannons
would be water fountains with water pumps.
No fire truck puts a 500 foot stream up.
The vegus water cannons blast a 1.2 inch water jet 500 foot from 1200
psi.
tj Frazir
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So this is the pic I didnt show .
This is the whale 2 ,,a few years befor whale 7.
Thats why you can see whale 2 and 3 .
Because whale 7 is whale 3's evolution.
because whale 7 has no flaw at all.
Its the doble boiler re-invented and the 4 cylinder water rocket
re-invented.
Intake valves in your car are stupid ..wait till they see my valve for
the heads.
The valve and cam as you knew it is gone.
tj Frazir
.
This vegus cannon will run a jet all day non stop and its the boiler
and 4 cyclinder water cannon driving a slide vane rotor.
tj Frazir
but serf with webtv.
Now use the webtv and find my pc !
Its imposible ..you cant send my pc a email because you cant find it.
and witch pc would you find if you could ?
i hve one for games ,,one for music ,,one for japan and one for china
and one for usa biz.
I have 2 for navigation and 6 for deep 2.
Deep 2 is 6 pc's conected to be 1 pc and 6 stations forming
steriovision from xray.
No one else on earth has a deep 2.
underwater xray steriovision .
I make the imposible look easy.
out of my mind into my hands
Aleph
too briefly and then wrote:
> You mean befor the vegus water cannons !
>
Was this an attempt to reply to me? Its hard to tell, because all your
posts are gibberish.
To quote one of your own sayings "ter stupfid"
You are talking nonsense. Your ignorance is the only thing preventing
you realising what nonsense you spout.
tj Frazir
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Any 25 ton truck gets 7 MPG .
So thats 175 MPG per ton.
Why the fuck dont your car get te same 175 MPG per ton
????????????????????
Mine does.
tj Frazir
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because its the best engine and your car will go 1 million miles an get
175 MPG per ton.
And have more power and take up less room and never make a sound.
The starting gun sets the race because I sent the whale 3 around the
world.
Imnot pushing whale 3 in usa much .
Im going to force usa gov by handing the rest of the world the starting
gun engine.
japan china and india .
we exchanged info.
wile i sit on whale 7. and tgotb.
Aleph
too briefly and then wrote:
> Yea try 10 years.
Are on to discussing your mental age now? Fair one, I concur, you are
about 10 years old.
That you have maintained this mental age for at least the last five
years is impressive.
Well done Frazir. It doesnt matter what all those mean people say about
you, I think you have achieved something.
Now, where is the US$1,000,000 you promised? Do you still claim to be
travelling across the globe on some huge, invisible boat?
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>
> So this is the pic I didnt show .
> This is the whale 2 ,,a few years befor whale 7.
Wow. I have just looked at that URL and it has intrigued me. Not enough
to look at the garbage JPEG you think means anything, but enough to
visit the domain.
Why on Earth are you "hosting" your pictures on the website of Jeff Relf
of all people? Does wonders for your credibility. As you are so rich,
could you at least do the decent thing and pay for some dental treatment
for poor old Jeff.
tj Frazir
and o2 into hot steam at 500 F above the rocket fuels flash point
because 130 psi is the flash point and its injected into 650 psi of hot
steam.
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P-max water cannon at 2800 PSI for 5 seconds of peak duration.
The biggest bubble and the time the bubble is the biggest when done
1000 feet down under water.
The peak duration is how long the buble lasted befor it shrinks .
Only by experiment can the best performance be found.
I did them all and built whale 7 .
I get 250 MPG at 277 HP.
Thats the 25 ton truck at 250 mpg not 7 mpg.
The car gets 400 mpg at 71 HP at 60 mph.
because of peak duration and the vegus water cannons
tj Frazir
your car engine takes up more room and is under the hood.
The 10 gallon engine is 6 inch wide 16 inch tall and 2 feet long and
the rotor can be anywhere.
There is no trans ..the rotor can change directions and dont nead to
shift any geers.
There are no gears .
No rods no crank no gears .
its a liquid piston engine.
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1 stroke per second .
Aleph
too briefly and then wrote:
> I have a few pc's ..
No you dont.
> but serf with webtv.
This is true, but not for the reasons you claim.
> Now use the webtv and find my pc !
> Its imposible ..
Only because you dont have one.
> you cant send my pc a email because you cant find it.
The list of imaginary things I cant find is very long. Your PC is a drop
in the ocean.
If you had a fraction of a clue, or even a small percentage of the
wealth you claim, you would realise you could simply get a PC for the
web and it is easy enough to harden it properly.
Instead, you use the retard special that is WebTV. I wonder what that
says. In the real world of course, not your imaginary world.
> and witch pc would you find if you could ?
> i hve one for games ,,one for music ,,one for japan and one for china
> and one for usa biz.
No you dont. You lie. You lie constantly.
> I have 2 for navigation and 6 for deep 2.
Yawn. Your lies make me sleepy.
<snip nonsense>
> out of my mind into my hands
Well you are out of your mind.
tj Frazir
build a 50 MPH warship.
The US navy warship was launched and sails around at 50 MPH right now
Buster !
Point the years of test ship math out befor you put 1/2 billion bucks
in a warship dont ya think !
Well port clocks say i got a BIG fucking boat that did 60 mph
consistant and 2 years of that and never found dead in the water or even
had an allarm sound on anything and used less fuel then anyone else ....
wile no one is in the engine room.
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No one is ever in the engine room.
The ac whale 7 never changes speed and the electric is allways on.
And the 20 cylinders 22 inch fire as neaded in any direction.
You cant beet a ship engine that dont have any moving parts other then
water and steam.
stick the vegus water cannon 20 cylinder in the sea and go.
but run tgotb .
ballanced gas air steam o2 is rocket fuel injected into hot steam and
sounds like a red hot bell from hell.
Battel ship cannons dont do Pmax 2800 psi but my ships water cannons
on tgotb do.
Aleph
too briefly and then wrote:
> <snip>
You seem to have thrown together a collection words without
understanding anything.
Well done.
Aleph
too briefly and then wrote:
> This is the starting gun to the race I allready wonn.
Erm. No. It isnt.
Aleph
too briefly and then wrote:
> <snip lies>
Your stupidity makes my computer cry. Please stop.
Raymond Yohros
> Where do you go to find a standard 220v electric waterpump with best
> pressure to weight ratio?
>
> Could it be strong enough to selflevitate if pushed against ground,
>
> mm, cm or even a meter?
>
>
did you find any?
the best psi pumps i've tried are radial pumps but they
dont give too many galons x minute. another thing
that is hard to find are pumps
that you can variate their speed with voltage control.
those freq. var. add ons are more expensive that the pumps!
regards
r.y
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
I'm not asking for a kiss,
I'm just letting people know what I look like.
Where's the photo of your ugly mug, Aleph ?
Are you too ashamed or what ? run away and hide, why don't you ?
TJ won't give us an engine, nor can we buy one.
He says Jay Leno won't even talk to him.
TJ has made me look insane, year after year.
He says the news will show the M/Y Eclipse
(his 14 kilo-gross-ton, 560·foot private yacht)
crossing the Atlantic at 130 knots.
He's made much wilder claims than that, of course,
time and time again.
JT
> before it extinguish and one where theballis free to bounce back and
> forth. And one where theballis catched in sand or flour.
>
> In all cases the action reaction should be the same the rig rocking
> but not moving backwards or forwards. Could be a science project for
> elementary school problem is getting potato gun and tube rig not
> leaking air. And give the potatogun recoil enough to be noticable and
> measurable.
>
>
> - Visa citerad text -
Why not put the rig on a skateboard.
JT
Aleph
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid> gave it no where near enough thought and
then wrote:
>
> I'm not asking for a kiss,
> I'm just letting people know what I look like.
Yeah, that is one way of putting it. Frightening people is just a hobby
for some people.
> Where's the photo of your ugly mug, Aleph ?
Why? Cant you get enough porn on xhamster.com? Do you need a picture of
me to get your mojo going?
Bizarre but hey, each to their own.
> Are you too ashamed or what ? run away and hide, why don't you ?
What? Like all good usenuts you have made all manner of bizarre
assumptions in a freakish effort to rationalise your own, crazy,
behaviour.
The overwhelming majority of people on the internet have not posted
pictures of themselves. Wanting a small portion of usenet anonymity is
not a bad idea. Not want random strangers the world over to look at your
picture is not a bad thing. It is not running away and it is not hiding.
> TJ won't give us an engine, nor can we buy one.
Hmm, I wonder why.
Maybe, just maybe, its because it doesnt exist.
> He says Jay Leno won't even talk to him.
Do you blame Jay?
> TJ has made me look insane, year after year.
Well, to be fair that isnt much of a challenge as you are insane.
So is TJ. You make a nice couple.
> He says the news will show the M/Y Eclipse
> (his 14 kilo-gross-ton, 560·foot private yacht)
> crossing the Atlantic at 130 knots.
>
> He's made much wilder claims than that, of course,
> time and time again.
Yes and not once have they been true. If they were, you would have all
those millions he keeps promising you.
JT
Well i actually have no intention building any fountain in the near
future, i just want to raise question of the validity of the physic
law that states that a force always have an equal force in the
opposite direction it is not valid for chaotic systems. And maybe
someone who do physic experiment on daily bases and have the equipment
can try it out.
I do not even think that Newton even claimed that was the case, i
think that's an later interpretation of conservation of momentum.
JT
tadchem
>
> - Show quoted text -
The balance of forces is all about static systems.
Force is the *time rate of change of momentum*. Conservation of
momentum is not about forces.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
JT
>
> - Visa citerad text -
When objects bump into eachother "watermolecules" they are feeling
forces.
So the initial momentum of individual watermolecules do not have an
inverse force when they are part of an chaotic system.
JT
Sam Wormley
>
> When objects bump into eachother "watermolecules" they are feeling
> forces.
> So the initial momentum of individual watermolecules do not have an
> inverse force when they are part of an chaotic system.
>
The force is carried by virtual photons and momentum IS conserved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_electrodynamics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum
Chaotic behavior does not violate conservation laws.
tj Frazir
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on Wednesday, October 14, 2009
He cant point out a flaw with this engine because its so simple there
is no flaw.
There is no flaw in a 25 ton truck at 7 mpg because its done 1 million
times a day.
There is no flaw in 175 MPG per ton.
In fact if you wernt so fucking stupid you would agree 175 MPGis a
proven standard.
Aleph MY engine is 250 MPG at 277 HP and will do 1 million miles and
never ever brek down.
your just a dumbass
tj Frazir
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on Wednesday, October 14, 2009
Take the rotor and cutoff tank off and put a 1.2 inch jet nosel on and
point it like a fire hose.
Put 20 cubic inch steam at 650 psi and a drop of fuel and 2 drops o2
in the steam just after itts in the top of the 500 cubic inch cylinder.
2800 psi P-max x 1.2 is 3000 pounds thrust.
And it will just just keep runnng and waist nothing.
The peak duration picks its own stroke length.
tj Frazir
The water stores no energy.
Anything is felt at all points in the water when you push on it.
Pushing down on the liquid piston is direct push against the slide vane
on the rotor.
The cutoff tank is bypassed and its down the bottom pipe threw the rotor
with no cuttofftank.
That cutoff tank is a volume adder and is another cylinder and water
storage .
Its not neaded in a small lawn size or a house ac. Its for pulling
stumps.
tj Frazir
Or is too stupid to understand any engine .
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Find a flaw in this steam powered 4 cycliderwater rocket engine.
dumbass
tj Frazir
You dont understand if the exhuast valve is open air can go out the top
so water will just push the side flap ope and the cylinder fills with
water ?
Then the steam valve opens and slams the exhuast valve and water inlet
flap shut as it pushes the water flap at the bottom open where the water
is pushed out by steam like a water rocket ?
What the fuck cant you understand ?
You cant understand why I dont nead a steam engine or prop or pistons
converting the steam to rotation ? You dont understand that by not
converting it ,,it didnt waist energy converting it to rotation and the
piston and crank CANT have the duration the liquid piston has.
Just 4 cylinders with 3 flaps each and a steam doble boiler and a
programable relay and 4 steam valves is better then a piston or a
turbine or anything else that ever ran.
It can not get beet and nothing else is near as good. Its allso the
most simple engines once you saw one simple drawing.
The old 100 HP doble boiler is 2500 HP in a whale .
tj Frazir
? 1 billion !
The usn runs 8000 ton 50 kts !
Is there anything your not getting 3 years befor you see it ?
scrole back a few years ad see what i said about 1 billion buck yacht
cruise ship.
Its not invisible I just wount let your camra work.
not till 3 weeks ago did i EVER tell how that works.
Any camra electric or not .
Point it at my boat and your pic is red.
tj Frazir
I can paint a box with the laser on a moving target at any speed.
That means if you fire a rocket at me my laser will have it blind and
it cant hit me.
It cant see my heat and hit me because that laser dot is passing its
photon detector 100 times a second and evry frame is red.
If the rocket dont have radar it cant see me.
I can paint boxes around 100 targets fired at me and not one can find
me.
Got nightvision ? Thats worthless trying to view me with nightvision
because of field laser paint.
Aleph
nowhere near enough thought and then wrote:
> Aleph is a dumbass .
Ha.
> He cant point out a flaw with this engine because its so simple there
> is no flaw.
Ha, ha, ha. Nonsense.
> There is no flaw in a 25 ton truck at 7 mpg because its done 1 million
> times a day.
> There is no flaw in 175 MPG per ton.
> In fact if you wernt so fucking stupid you would agree 175 MPGis a
> proven standard.
>
> Aleph MY engine is 250 MPG at 277 HP and will do 1 million miles and
> never ever brek down.
>
> your just a dumbass
That is the best you can do. You are a pathological liar and have been
for years. In all the time you have spent using your crappy webtv box to
connect to usenet, you have never once managed to prove any of your
claims.
Every single time it all goes wrong and you try to blame someone else
(normally Relf is your pet whipping boy).
The fact is, you have nothing. You know nothing. You are pathetic.
JT
Bullshit!
Sam Wormley
Say what, Jonas? You sure have trouble with conservations laws.
JT
No you have the problem beleiving that momentum is only linear action
and reaction between two particles. You do not understand molecular
particle interaction during pressure. You are the one not beleiving in
deformation zones, crash bags, heat exchange due to oscillation of
gases under pressure.
It seems you think that gravitation have a recoil.
And that you think momentum from a stone falling in a pond pushing
some linear momentum into the pond.
You are the one who think that all momentum of a rubberball shot
against an obstacle in a closed vessel is transformed to forward
thrust.
You are simply wrong a five year old know that.
JT
Sam Wormley
>
> You are the one who think that all momentum of a rubberball shot
> against an obstacle in a closed vessel is transformed to forward
> thrust.
No, I said: the law of conservation of linear momentum is a fundamental
law of nature, and it states that the total momentum of a closed
system (vessel) of objects (which has no interactions with external
agents) is constant.
JT
And i replied that if you in a closed vessel have forces/interaction
from accelerated gasparticles momentum, or rubberball momentum or
vaporised water(steam), you can have less recoil force then the thrust
given of the above enclosed system.
So i stated your claim to be "bullshit" and it still is, there will be
a recoil+ thrust i could easily show that with just an enclosed
potatogun and a rubberball on a skateboard.
That is how weak your argument is.
I would not exactly call it inertial propulsion but it give a burst of
thrust, on the other side my ideas about waterpumps vaporiser and
thrust probably is inertial propulsion. I even think that the railgun
system shooting hot gasses that spread over an oscillating membran
will be inertial propulsion.
Now we will probably have someone claiming that heat exchange with a
vaccua will be a problem and there is where a flying refrigerator
comes in. They probably must have a vaporiser in one end and a cooler
in the other.
JT
Sam Wormley
How did you come out on the physics problems at the end of the chapter?
tj Frazir
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Changed:7:18 PM on Sunday, October 5, 2008
1,000,000 pounds thrust is 1000 tons thrust is 3 cylinders 22 inch
fire t the same time.
To run 1000 ton thrust takes a 12 cylinder steam power water rocket
with fuel and o2 injectd into the 144 cubic inch steam at 600 psi
injected in each cylinder.
How fast is this 5000 tons with 1000 ton thrust !
its the fastest stongest !
70 kt without going 100 % about 50 % at 1000 tons is all I had the
engine.
thats-a-fuckin-gettin-it.
YOU dont have room for 1 million HP diesel.
10 big gas turbines would eat up a ship load of fuel. Whale ship
engine is the only way to go.
The engine cant fuck up..if it did i got another relay with a valve
set. Take 10 minuts.
no parts to go bad.
JT
A flying refrigerator?
It seemed natural to suspect that a flying membran should have a cold
side and a hot side. And you need a circulation of the steam between a
hotspot and a coldspot.
where the hot gas try to level out temperature and pressure between
high and low.
Since i suspect hot gases have more volume then water and you do not
want the ship to blow up.
JT
JT
tj Frazir
I have glass overheads too.
White glass and movie glass smoked.
It has the planets only glass pool in a glass room with plants made of
glass .
paintings inthe shades of lit glass done with glass .
its 80 x 20 x 15 and cost 120 million.
if you can figer out how 1.3 billion usd got into a 350 foot yacht !!
did i mention the price again ???
Its like this ,,,I told you the price 2 years ago and now you see and
say the same shit.
There's the boat stupid.
its a space ship end to end .
not a wire on the boat.
bullet proof and infared invisible.
tj Frazir
alfie ,, is that 175 mpg standard car engine at the bottom nothing !
175 mpg is a 90 % reduction in the worlds oil.
its the end of the electric co. and gas co.
and dont tell me I dont have it when Im showing it to you !!!
tj Frazir
Re: Re:  Aleph, where's the photo of your ugly mug ?
Group: sci.physics Date: Sun, Nov 1, 2009, 8:51pm (EST+5) From:
Usene...@gishpuppy.com (Aleph)
near enough thought and then wrote:
Aleph is a dumbass .
Ha.
He cant point out a flaw with this engine because its so simple
there is no flaw.
Ha, ha, ha. Nonsense.
There is no flaw in a 25 ton truck at 7 mpg because its done
1 million times a day.
There is no flaw in 175 MPG per ton.
In fact if you wernt so fucking stupid you would agree 175 MPGis a
proven standard.
Aleph MY engine is 250 MPG at 277 HP and will do 1 million miles
and never ever brek down.
your just a dumbass
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Not a word of your sit sugest 175 MPG per ton is Not the standard.
You can rant all you want but you cant understand a simple engine.
Its a flawless engine at sea and on the road.
You dont have any math to knock it with ad you cant find a flaw in a
good engine .
You too stupid to compair the 4 cylinder water rocket with a steam
engine or boat motor ?
You must be
That is the best you can do. You are a pathological liar and have been
for years. In all the time you have spent using your crappy webtv box to
connect to usenet, you have never once managed to prove any of your
claims.
Every single time it all goes wrong and you try to blame someone else
(normally Relf is your pet whipping boy).
The fact is, you have nothing. You know nothing. You are pathetic.
--
Aleph
This message was posted to usenet so please reply that way. Emails to
this account are very likely to be ignored.
tj Frazir
Address:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33431534/ns/us_news-military/
350 ton thrust.
700,000 hp max.
look at the stack at 50 mph its not smoking.
No gas turbines .
Aleph ...whats it say drives the 400 foot war ship 50 MPH ? a water jet
!!
no rudders.
just a few 22 inch nosels
Thats a fast fuckking boat explain to us please where they put 700,000
HP !!
Its not big enouph for 7 of the worlds biggest diesels. 10 of the
biggest gas turbines would nead a tanker evry day.
You think they started water jet navy ships last year ?
They started when forced to see my engines.
tj Frazir
a steam power 12 cylinder whale engine.
50-mph warships being tested by Navy - Military
Address:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33431534/ns/us_news-military/
175 MPG per ton is the standard fact you cant denie.
1/14th the fuel and 13 times the thrust is the sea standard.
TJ Indianlake
They dont have exit flaps just intae flaps and nosels and the top
exhaust valve so they can be refilled quick.
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Whale 2 is the under 20 hp in a bucket engine.
The reversible slide vane rotor veritble speed .
cam wheel and gate boath slide .
Whale 1 is just a steam power water rocket with a fill flap and a
nosel sticking out the transom ,
a clock will just fire one at a time as a single engine would.
The engine on the right are simple water rockets but no piston engine
can compete with it .
The piston rod and crank 4 inch cylinder cant do a 40 inch stroke and
converts the energy a few times with mechanics that love to waist energy
per gear.
How will any enegine that converts thrust to rotation compete with an
enegine that dont convert it even twice ?
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TJ Indianlake
In a 4 cyclinder steam power water rocket.
tj Frazir
You knew for a few years what kind of jets i put in ships and what
whales can do.
you think i can tell the future ?
Or do you think navy ships dont go 50 mph without props and rudders ?
i bet you know allot about the 50 mph water jets.
5000 ton at 50 mph at sea.
700 ton thrust.
A ship on plane I SAID THAT SHIP IS UP ON PLANE and its 5000 ton.
You all said thats imposible .
well just what you think is imposible is now standard.
tj Frazir
Its a big pice of gas eating shit.
It will cost you 15 grand.
The engine on the right is a steam power water rocket and line them up
on the transom and have 4 or 5 or 6 jugs and jets.
fire one at a time and controle the steam volume with the stove burner
hi-lo.
The steam power water rocket might set you back $ 1000 but the boat
motor cost 15000 and eats 100 times the fuel and will nead parts soon.
The steam liquid piston on the right dont have any parts to replace and
the flaps clean them selves in seaweed.
get a stick in it ..it will spit it out no big deal.
water will blast it out the flap if anything gets in.
you can eliminaate it if it stays in and not fire that cylinder and
run the rest.
still no big deal.
its got more power then any boat motor.
And 100 times the range.
tj Frazir
5000 tons from london to NYNY in 26 hours.
then back in 26 hours ...10 times .
Thats 1100 ton thrust and nothing can do it but this steam power water
rocket.
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on the right.
tj Frazir
You might find out allot of math simularities .
You will find out how modest i am.
Its by far better then Im telling you.
because all you know about is steam and know jack shit about ballanced
gas air steam peak duration .
The far right steam power water rocket can be a ballanced gas air steam
O2 .
Fuel and o2 is rocket fuel thats put into th hot steam at 650 psi dose
square its force.
That 200 HP on steam is now a 2000 HP on rocket fuel in hot steam.
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tj Frazir
or how many did.
How did I know to tell you in advance ?
Why can you now see the engine ?
for all the crap over never showing it and now you see it.. now you see
what you couldnt understand and its as simple and exsactly what i ssaid
it was.
i was shooting at pirots 5 years ago and you thought i was nutz.
You dint think the pirots exsisted any more.
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ALL these engines work.
tj Frazir
Thats a new engine and works.
New engines dont come along evry day !
This engine is not like any engine ever built .
So what does sam know about this engine ?
Sam must not care less about sci o the planet or anything or anyone .
IF he did then HIS edu would be working on engine math and asking
things.
And they would have whale 5 in a box real quick from me.
Your fucking your edu over because you can see steam power 4 cyclinder
water rockets and doing no math on it.
Your edu energy dep would love this engine.
The navy shure did.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
You (TJ) told us:
" I was shooting at pirots 5 years ago and you thought i was nutz.
You didn't think the pirots exsisted any more. ".
That's true.
However, lots of people here claim they hung the moon... so what ?
These people have major self-esteem issues because... you know why.
A true billionaire wouldn't care about what us idiots think;
he'd just sell the fuckin' engines... I could buy one.
..........
I enjoyed your link about the shallow-water combat ship "Independence"
with the aluminum, trimaran hull.
M/Y Eclipse is much heavier and its steel hull isn't trimaran.
Aleph
<TJindi...@webtv.net> wrote:
> <snip gibberish and lies>
Why the new name?
Aleph
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid> wrote:
>
> A true billionaire wouldn't care about what us idiots think;
Now, what can you deduce from this?
Aleph
<Gravity...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> Re: Re: Aleph, where's the photo of your ugly mug ?
>
You are so retarded, and WebTV is such a poor USENET client, that you
cant even respond to posts properly.
Your best effort was to repost some drivel you spouted along with my
amazingly witty summation of your idiocy.
Well done. Do you need help to chew your food?
Aleph
<Gravity...@webtv.net> wrote:
> "Dont have nothin LOL.alfie ".
Wasnt that a movie?
> alfie ,, is that 175 mpg standard car engine at the bottom nothing !
Hey, have you seen my 5000m/s rocket ship? It runs on human snot.
> 175 mpg is a 90 % reduction in the worlds oil.
> its the end of the electric co. and gas co.
>
> and dont tell me I dont have it when Im showing it to you !!!
You seem to misunderstand the words you are using. A pity.
> http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
I enjoy TJ's posts, they make me think.
Who he is, exactly, I don't know;
I've been pondering that question for years now.
tj Frazir
You cant sell hand grandes .
You cant sell the end of the oil age and wipe out GM and Ford and Honda
and the oil boss and the electric co.
They protect all that y not letting you sell the end of the oil age.
As soon as evryone knows the standard is 175 MPG and heat and lights
cost 10 bucks a month itts all over for all the above.
tj Frazir
whale steam engine 3 .
Let me see it in google images .
lot another pic and a link ,,show me the engine pic on a google image
page .
Post the wsengine like you did your face.
posting it saved you from s koria .
google it will change the world.
but you cant get it on google.
tj Frazir
10 times the thrust.
22 inch jets cn run 4 jets all the time with 20 cylinders 30 x 200 inch
each on steam gas air o2 .
400 si jet at 1000 psi 400,000 pound thrust each X 4 is 1.6 million
pound thrust or 1 million HP.
1000 ton thrust on 8000 ton boat is as good a race boat as any and so
fucking fast I dont admit it.
and cheep to run !!
tj Frazir
so i can pay once.
And add you to its history as you get it in google.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Water-Rocket powered Whale Steam Engine, Doble boiler, sliding-vane rotor:I don't know why your ( TJ's ) pics haven't shown up yet at Google-Images. Maybe next week, who knows ? Even if your pics were there ( at Google-Images ), most people would see them via your posts, not Google-Images. As far as anyone knows, no one but you has ever used your engines and WikiPedia won't publish personal, unverifiable results.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Like cold fusion, your ( TJ's ) engines can't be verified.
No quality, highly-respected web-site ( e.g. WikiPedia )
would ever publish unVerifiable results.
unModerated, Sci.Physics ( at Google Groups )
isn't a quality, highly-respected web-site.
My contributions to WikiPedia:
http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/index.php?name=Jeff_Relf&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia
tj Frazir
next day.
wish you would have fucking use whale steam engine .
Your just making itt harder to find
tj Frazir
maybe you can eben get it in the right place.
ITS a whale steam engine but jeff filed it under water rocket W
WW a long way down dude.
I want it at A not W and at whale engine not at water rocket.
YOU dont nead 1 single word on the page .
Whale Steam Engine a subject ..
and the pic and no fucking bullshit.
dont post it then hide it under the bullshit .
tj Frazir
they would post the engine pic if the gov would let them.
tj Frazir
Not like cold fusion moron.
Your too stupid to understand water rockets.
tj Frazir
unproven boat no one has ever seen.
Your tooooooooo fucking stupid to understand any fucking thing .
god damb are you fucking stupid.
Yur too stupid to pay attention from one day .
dam your retarded.
Aleph
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov3.0.24am.HB>, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid sat
down and wrote:
>
> I enjoy TJ's posts, they make me think.
Normally, I would think of this as a good enough reason. Sadly, while you
say TJ's posts make you think, you seem to end up coming to some insane
conclusions.
> Who he is, exactly, I don't know;
I would say he was some 14 year old school kid sitting at his parents WebTV
crapbox, however he has been dribbling onto USENET for many years now, and
you would have assumed he would have grown out of it.
> I've been pondering that question for years now.
--
Aleph
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov3.9.09pm.UG>, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid sat
down and wrote:
>
> Like cold fusion, your ( TJ's ) engines can't be verified.
They aren't even as legit as cold fusion.
> No quality, highly-respected web-site ( e.g. WikiPedia )
*choke* blimey.
Now, if Frazir had even the slightest bit of true knowledge there are
hundreds of real journals where his work would be published - no matter what
his conspiracy theories about the US government might think.
> would ever publish unVerifiable results.
Because Wikipedia has a rule about no original content. It is a place where
other people's research gets collected.
> unModerated, Sci.Physics ( at Google Groups )
> isn't a quality, highly-respected web-site.
Sci.physics isnt a website at all. Dont be fooled by the abortion that is
google groups.
> My contributions to WikiPedia:
Suck
tj Frazir
WHALE STEAM ENGINE ,,,,,,,then shut your fucking mouth fucking dumbass,
no dash ,,,no period ,,,no other fucking words.
how the fuck can anyone find the title ?
fucking moron