List of Cranks here
phoenix
Can we have a complete list of cranks here.
1. Fusioneer
2. Greysky
3. newedena
4. Y.Porat
5. Thomson
6. Ken Seto
7. TomGee
8. Smart Model
9. Retic
10. John Sefton
11. Freddifix (?)
12. (who else)
Ok. Cranks. How many of you have read this book
"Feynman Lectures on Physics 3 Vol set"??
You guys keep committing very basic mistakes that
Heymann kept on correcting. It's very frustrating.
How can you take apart the Standard Model if you
are not veteran in it?? We know the Standard Model
is not complete and something can turn it into a subset.
But to enhance it, we must be adept in the in and
out of Standard Model so as to be able to change
it successfully.
So, I recommened cranks to read up some basic textbooks
such as Feynman's and be familiar with all the concepts
before spewing horse manure as Heymann love to call it.
It's getting frustrating to waste time reading rubbish
every morning.
Phoenix
(Anti-Crank
Pro Enhanced Physics)
David Cross
>Can we have a complete list of cranks here.
>
>1. Fusioneer
>2. Greysky
>3. newedena
>4. Y.Porat
>5. Thomson
>6. Ken Seto
>7. TomGee
>8. Smart Model
>9. Retic
>10. John Sefton
>11. Freddifix (?)
>12. (who else)
You forgot Eleaticus.
---
David Cross
dcross1 AT shaw DOT ca
phoenix
David Cross wrote:
> On 6 Mar 2005 16:22:37 -0800, "phoenix" <phot...@go.com> wrote:
>
> >Can we have a complete list of cranks here.
> >
> >1. Fusioneer
> >2. Greysky
> >3. newedena
> >4. Y.Porat
> >5. Thomson
> >6. Ken Seto
> >7. TomGee
> >8. Smart Model
> >9. Retic
> >10. John Sefton
> >11. Freddifix (?)
> >12. (who else)
>
> You forgot Eleaticus.
I've never heard of him. Pls mention more.
I'll put them in my filterlist killfile.
P
Sea Squid
Mine is OE6.
"phoenix" <phot...@go.com> wrote in message
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Uncle Al
Uncle Al admires the optimism of youth. Let's crush it up front and
spare the courier a quarter-lifetime of creeping incremental disgust.
http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Waldo Graham
<1110154957.4...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
> 12. (who else)
Crank Phoenix, you forgot yourself in your list like a foolish pig in
Aesop's fable.
Why don't you look at a mirror?
You should find a genuine and ugly crank idiot there.
Why did you omit such cranks as Franz Heymann, zetasum, Nick and Uncle
Al in your list.
Feynman made many mistakes. There're tones of flaws in Big Bang, SR,
GR, and QM. Where? Just look at the google groups. Why we stop pursuing
a genuine physics?
phoenix
Wow. Very impressive!
Uncle Al has complete listings of cranks indeed :)
from http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
"Some Registered Cranks from sci.physics
Tom Bearden
Jos Boersema (josX)
Charles Cagle
Dr Conrad
Kent Deatherage (kdthrge)
James M. Driscoll, jr.
Ralph E. Frost
E.D.G.
JL Gaasenbeek
Greysky
Brad Guth
Donald L. Hamilton
James Harris
James Harris
Mike Helland
Dewey B. Larson
Laurent
Dr. Jai Maharaj aka Jay Stevens
Jack Martinelli
Robert E. McElwaine
Paul Marmet
Randell Mills
Louis Nielsen
Jeff O'Callaghan
Archimedes Plutonium
Tom Potter
David Rutherford
Jack Sarfatti
G S Sandhu
Ralph Sansbury
Louis Savain
John Sefton
Ken H. Seto
Smart1234 (S. Enterprize Company) (Jim Smith)
Spaceshit
Stomar "Physics"
Paul Stowe
Thinh Tran
Tom Van Flandern
E R Vega
unifytruth
Some Cranks or Trolls known by their postings to sci.physics
2N3819
Abhi
Aladar Stolmar
Androcles
Anna&Will
Hamid V. Ansari
Archimedes Plutonium
Ballisticus
Tom Bearden
CC (Charles Cagle)
Charles Cagle
Douglas Eagleson
eleaticus (Oren Webster)
Harold Ensle
Don Findlay
tj Frazir
FrediFizzx
Ralph E. Frost
GRAVITYMECHANIC
GRAVITYMECHANIC2
V.Gopal
Greenfield
Greysky
Greywolf42 (Barry Mingst)
HERetic3 - Ernest Wittke
Habshi
James Harris
Hayek
Mike Helland
Eugene Shubert (Perfectly Innocent)
Jean-Paul Turcaud
Don Jensen
John P David
johnn
josX
Kent Deatherage
IGNACIO LAMOTHE
Laurent
Dr. Jai Maharaj
Maleki
Robert E. McElwaine
Mitchell Raemsch
Louis Nielsen
Oriel36
Mathew Orman
Richard Perry (RP)
John C. Polasek
Y.Porat
Tom Potter
Hal Puthoff
Ralph Rabbidge
Jeff Relf
retic - Ernest Wittke
retiche - Ernest Wittke
reticher - Ernest Wittke
reticher1 - Ernest Wittke
David Rutherford
G S Sandhu
Ralph Sansbury
Jack Sarfatti
Louis Savain
John Schoenfeld
John Sefton
Ken H. Seto
Shrikantha S. Shastry
Donald G. Shead
Slavek
Smart1234 (S. Enterprize Company) (Jim Smith)
Rick Sobie
spaceshit
Keith Stein
Paul Stelzner
Kurt Stocklmeir
Paul Stowe
Brian Stuckless
ThomasL283
David Thomson
Traveler (Louis Savain)
Dave Ulmer
unifytruth
Bill Vajk
eleaticus (Oren Webster)
Henry (Henri) Wilson
Ernest Wittke
Lester Zick
Now I wonder who among them have the most potentials. We can pick
up 5 of the most brilliant among them and hire them and make them
work together to produce the TOE. How about that. :)
Now I have to review each of their work to choose the top 5.
Thanks for the list. Pls add more if you guys know more.
Phoenix
edddy
out what reality is.
Speaking the vernacual like in physics means, you should never feel
threatened by my words.
I threaten only with real home vists and stuff,btw
So read on and learn whan communication I.
I will just "talk" to y
FrediFizzx
|
| Can we have a complete list of cranks here.
|
| 1. Fusioneer
| 2. Greysky
| 3. newedena
| 4. Y.Porat
| 5. Thomson
| 6. Ken Seto
| 7. TomGee
| 8. Smart Model
| 9. Retic
| 10. John Sefton
| 11. Freddifix (?)
Hmmm... I wonder what the ? is for. Well, just in case you were
wondering, I accept the Standard Model, SR and GR. I just have some
slightly different interpretations of the "rules". A suggestion for you
is to learn enough physics so that you can understand Volovik's "The
Universe in a Helium Droplet". It will definitely cure your ignorance.
Mr. Heymann should read that book also. I think he would actually like
it.
FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
Tom Potter
As can be seen from the definition given at the URL:
"A crank (at least on the web and on USENET) is an individual
that makes claims, or holds views, that are contradicted by
the empirical data of observation and experiment."
As a long time reader of the newsgroups,
it seems to me that folks are listed on "crank lists" and such,
because they have bested someone in a dichotomy,
or because someone doesn't like their style, politics, religion,
or their attitude toward their favorite physicist or theory.
I suggest that it is incumbent upon the "attack pack" to
justify their assertion that these folks
"make claims, or hold views, that are contradicted by
the empirical data of observation and experiment.",
In other words,
I assert that the "attack pack" are immature
and driven by emotions and prejudices, rather than logic, and
"make claims, or hold views, that are contradicted by
the empirical data of observation."
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
Tom Potter
"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
It is interesting to observe that
the God and founder of the "attack pack" is John Baez,
and its' most impassioned missionaries are:
Uncle Al
Sam Wormley
and
Dirk Moortel.
Note that the URL listed above
(With the phony,impressive, official-sounding name.)
is the personal web site of Sam Wormley,
the number three man in the "attack pack".
Sam Wormley
> There're tones of flaws in Big Bang, SR,
> GR, and QM. Where? Just look at the google groups. Why we stop pursuing
> a genuine physics?
>
There has NEVER been a prediction of QM, SR or GTR that was
contradicted by an observation. NEVER!
phoenix
The Standard Model is by no means complete.. of course all know it.
Cranks are by nature creative but mostly are ignorant. They haven't
read enough textbooks, etc. Maybe don't have money.
Attack pack such Uncle Al and company are less creative and less
imaginative. They love to follow rules and can't see outside the box.
What is needed is balance.
I'm thinking whether to trust and support M-Theory for the TOE or
whether the foundations of physics themselves are flawed and
need to to reworked from the bottom. Most cranks support the
latter, that many concepts are flawed. But because they are not
as good as Uncle Al. They can't see where to really plug the new
principles. Uncle Al and company on the other hand trust Standard
Model so much that they may not see things from other point of view
and may not recognize it if there is something in nature that their
Standard Model can't explain.
This is my observation in this NG sci.physics.
Anyway. I really recommend all labeled cranks to read up
"Feynman Lectures of Physics" 3 Vols. It's being sold for
only $70 at amazon marketplace shipped new from NJ. That
way. You won't goof up on many simple things that would make
you really look bad.
Phoenix
Sam Wormley
>
> I'm thinking whether to trust and support M-Theory for the TOE or
> whether the foundations of physics themselves are flawed and
> need to to reworked from the bottom.
M-Theory has never made a testable preciction and therefore, is
no better than philosophy.
Paul Stowe
What about the spiral galactic rotation profiles...??
Paul Stowe
Paul Stowe
Sam Wormley
Scientists Map Dark Matter, Prove Einstein Right
http://www.space.com/news/cosmic_shear_000512.html
Particle Dark Matter: Evidence, Candidates and Constraints
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0404175
Creighton Hogg
Yeah, but it would be nice if there was.
dlzc1 D:cox T:net@nospam.com N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
"Paul Stowe" <p...@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
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GR didn't predict the anomalous profile.
But good point! There are edges...
David A. Smith
Paul Stowe
What a brain dead idiot...
Paul Stowe
FrediFizzx
news:5rQWd.41504$r55.7056@attbi_s52...
Sam, read Volovik's "The Universe in a Helium Droplet". Cure your
ignorance. Please.
And I thought we were done with this "list" crap. Read the Google
Groups guidelines on netiquette. Please.
Sam Wormley
Sam Wormley
One of these days...
The Ghost In The Machine
<phot...@go.com>
wrote
on 6 Mar 2005 18:12:15 -0800
<1110161535....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
>
> Wow. Very impressive!
>
> Uncle Al has complete listings of cranks indeed :)
>
> from http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
>
> "Some Registered Cranks from sci.physics
[list snipped for brevity]
> Some Cranks or Trolls known by their postings to sci.physics
>
[list snipped for brevity]
>
> Now I wonder who among them have the most potentials. We can pick
> up 5 of the most brilliant among them and hire them and make them
> work together to produce the TOE. How about that. :)
>
> Now I have to review each of their work to choose the top 5.
> Thanks for the list. Pls add more if you guys know more.
>
> Phoenix
>
Well...depends on your criteria for "top" or "best". I might
have at one time picked Spaceman because he was at least
amusing, but he's long since vanished from the 'Netscape.
Harris is apparently a holdover from sci.math and thinks he can
factor faster than anyone else in the world despite massive proof
to the contrary.
Jeff Relf can't code worth shit. He can't do Websites worth
shit either: http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/X.CPP
and http://www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf , though one has
to admire them for their extreme simplicity (there's
nothing there but text and an occasional link). At least
http://www.timecube.com uses different colors and font styles.
(I have no idea whether the author of Timecube has ever
posted here. Would I even want to know?)
McElwaine is a crank from way back, but I for one don't
bother to read his posts in detail. I think his main
idea is that the Earth is hollow. I can't say whether
other things are.
Smart1234 seems to like to bounce around a bit; last time I
saw him was on sci.math arguing that .999... != 1.000... .
Turns out he's no more competent there than in arguing that
the oxygen atom looks like a doughnut. (The 'f' orbitals
do look a bit like doughnuts, though:
http://www.shef.ac.uk/chemistry/orbitron/index.html )
Donald Shead had some very strange notions about force,
mass, and inertia, and is also gone.
Guth is mildly interesting, as is Archimedes Plutonium.
Habshi wants to change the world -- well, Venus. Or the
Moon. Or maybe Mars. Practical considerations don't
seem to bother him too much.
Eleaticus apparently is about as well-versed as Androcles
or kenseto when it comes to coordinate transforms, although
Androcles is far more argumentative. Jim Greenfield and
H. Wilson also get lumped in here; none of them like
relativity, and none of them seem to be able to juggle
x' = g*(x-vt), t' = g*(t-vx/c^2) very well. (g = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2).)
Between them, they've got quite a few fumbles:
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/ImmortalFumbles.html
Sobie talks too much -- to himself. At this point I think
he's been put into a padded cell.
Ernest Wittke, aka reticher, is earnest, I'll grant him that,
but he can't seem to disprove Einstein's stuff either.
tj Frazir is merely incoherent -- pardon me, eccentric --
as is Kurt Stocklmeir. Of the two, tj Frazir is slightly
more coherent, but that's a bit like saying orange is slightly
more blue than red; Kurt might have slightly better spelling.
Jack Sarfatti's out there, though not quite as far as
John Winston, who is not on the list for some reason.
Then again, I've not seen John Winston lately. Maybe it's
just as well.
GRAVITYMECHANIC et al seems to like to reverse signs.
Not that that in itself is bad -- I've reversed my share.
I'm not sure Tom Potter likes anybody. (I'm not sure Uncle Al
does either :-), but at least Uncle Al's brain works in the
scentific realm; I can't say regarding political and/or
socioeconomic realms and I'm not all that qualified in those
areas myself anyway).
Dr. Jai Maharaj (Jay Stevens) and Uncle Al do not like each
other at all. Fortunately, I think the former has given up.
I wonder if Mathew Orman ever sold any of his FTL cables...
AllYou! just likes to argue.
Jahn/Sue just seems confused.
The rest? I can't say they've hit my radar, at least not lately.
For some reason there's no mention of ZZBunker or -- heaven forbid --
the dreaded Aussie nymshifting poisonous troll who likes
to nymshift. Perhaps it's just as well; this lot is bad enough. :-)
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
It's still legal to go .sigless.
Greysky
>
> Can we have a complete list of cranks here.
>
> 1. Fusioneer
> 3. newedena
> 4. Y.Porat
> 5. Thomson
> 6. Ken Seto
> 7. TomGee
> 8. Smart Model
> 9. Retic
> 10. John Sefton
> 11. Freddifix (?)
> 12. (who else)
"Phoenix" - Is this really your list or is it one cribbed from one of the
other drippingily putrescent hemorrhoidal personalities on this ng?
>
>
> Ok. Cranks. How many of you have read this book
> "Feynman Lectures on Physics 3 Vol set"??
Yes. I recommend *everyone* get the Feynamn Lectures. The more you read, the
more there is to read. My only wish is that I was able to sit in on the
actual lectures themselves. As it is, I recommend paying the extra money for
the hardbound set, as it will not fall apart on you like the paper bound
editions can and frequently do. I also second MTW for some insightful views
on general relativity.
>
> You guys keep committing very basic mistakes that
> Heymann kept on correcting. It's very frustrating.
> How can you take apart the Standard Model if you
> are not veteran in it?? We know the Standard Model
> is not complete and something can turn it into a subset.
> But to enhance it, we must be adept in the in and
> out of Standard Model so as to be able to change
> it successfully.
So then why did I make your list? Did you even bother reading my web site?
If so you will know I don't want to take apart the standard model. You do
know that don't you? In all the *many years* I have been calling for a
reintrepretation of QM, there has been not a single refutation of my basic
ideas. Not one. That should tell you something.
>
> So, I recommened cranks to read up some basic textbooks
> such as Feynman's and be familiar with all the concepts
> before spewing horse manure as Heymann love to call it.
> It's getting frustrating to waste time reading rubbish
> every morning.
>
So you are a Heymann acolyte, huh? A vast empty ocean bashing against a
sterile beachhead. Like the oceans on Titan.
Greysky
www.allocations.cc
Learn how to build a FTL radio.
Greysky
> spare the courier a quarter-lifetime of creeping incremental disgust.
>
> http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
>
>
gold. At least he brought back some pyrite... pretty good for a 5 year old.
So when are you going to mail everyone on this group a 1ct. sparkler?
Greysky
Creighton Hogg
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In sci.physics, phoenix
> <phot...@go.com>
> wrote
> on 6 Mar 2005 18:12:15 -0800
> <1110161535....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > Wow. Very impressive!
> >
> > Uncle Al has complete listings of cranks indeed :)
> >
> > from http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
> >
> > "Some Registered Cranks from sci.physics
>
> [list snipped for brevity]
>
> > Some Cranks or Trolls known by their postings to sci.physics
> >
>
> [list snipped for brevity]
>
> >
> > Now I wonder who among them have the most potentials. We can pick
> > up 5 of the most brilliant among them and hire them and make them
> > work together to produce the TOE. How about that. :)
> >
> > Now I have to review each of their work to choose the top 5.
> > Thanks for the list. Pls add more if you guys know more.
> >
> > Phoenix
> >
>
> Well...depends on your criteria for "top" or "best". I might
> have at one time picked Spaceman because he was at least
> amusing, but he's long since vanished from the 'Netscape.
<>
> Donald Shead had some very strange notions about force,
> mass, and inertia, and is also gone.
He's back, check out "Don1" who's started posting lately.
Michael Varney
"Paul Stowe" <p...@acompletelyjunkaddress.net> wrote in message
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What about them?
Michael Varney
"Tom Potter" <t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Note that Tom CrackPotter is on the list.
Michael Varney
>
> David Cross wrote:
>> On 6 Mar 2005 16:22:37 -0800, "phoenix" <phot...@go.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Can we have a complete list of cranks here.
>> >
>> >1. Fusioneer
>> >2. Greysky
>> >4. Y.Porat
>> >5. Thomson
>> >6. Ken Seto
>> >7. TomGee
>> >8. Smart Model
>> >9. Retic
>> >10. John Sefton
>> >11. Freddifix (?)
>> >12. (who else)
>>
>
> I've never heard of him. Pls mention more.
> I'll put them in my filterlist killfile.
>
> P
Do a Google search on Old man's crank (crackpot) list.
You will see how much time and effort it takes to construct such a list.
Check out Dirk VDM' site, and add everyone on his fumble list.
Add Hammond, Cesar Siervent, Peter M. Brown (May he be dead by now) and the
nut posting the Hilal crescent moon sighting data and you have a small
start.
Michael Varney
"FrediFizzx" <fredi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:5rQWd.41504$r55.7056@attbi_s52...
> | phoenix wrote:
> |
> | >
> | > I'm thinking whether to trust and support M-Theory for the TOE or
> | > whether the foundations of physics themselves are flawed and
> | > need to to reworked from the bottom.
> |
> | M-Theory has never made a testable preciction and therefore, is
> | no better than philosophy.
> |
> | There has NEVER been a prediction of QM, SR or GTR that was
> | contradicted by an observation. NEVER!
>
> Sam, read Volovik's "The Universe in a Helium Droplet". Cure your
> ignorance. Please.
>
> And I thought we were done with this "list" crap. Read the Google
> Groups guidelines on netiquette. Please.
>
> FrediFizzx
Hello crackpot.
Michael Varney
"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox T:n...@nospam.com> wrote in
message news:F3RWd.156049$Yu.101731@fed1read01...
If you were blind and could not see the moon, does that mean that GR cannot
predict its gravitational behavior?
Creighton Hogg
What brought you back, Mike?
FrediFizzx
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.05030...@dill.hep.wisc.edu...
|
|
| On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Michael Varney wrote:
| > You will see how much time and effort it takes to construct such a
list.
| > Check out Dirk VDM' site, and add everyone on his fumble list.
| >
| > Add Hammond, Cesar Siervent, Peter M. Brown (May he be dead by now)
and the
| > nut posting the Hilal crescent moon sighting data and you have a
small
| > start.
|
| What brought you back, Mike?
Once a loud mouth troll, always a loud mouth troll. He just couldn't
resist those troll urges any longer. As if we really need the signal to
noise ratio of the groups to get worse. We can see right away that he
will probably not post much to do with physics. I think we can count on
that. ;-)
Hey Mikey, get a clue. Read Volovik's "The Universe in a Helium
Droplet".
Michael Varney
"Creighton Hogg" <wch...@hep.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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>
>
Boredom.
Y.Porat
it whant help you
everybody knows already who is in that gang
now people are not fools
you canc heat one person forever
you can cheat everybody justonce
but you cant cheat everybody forever
bye Gangeters
ps just have a look of the list of thoe supporters
of this list
no one with his real name !!
Y.Porat
----------------------
Y.Porat
of the other gangster Pisse
----------
Y.Porat
---------------------
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
me...@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Y.Porat
you are wrong
he was laready always here with a fake name!
he is paied by his bosses gangstrers
but doing a bad job
because even to be a gangster or a messenger of a gangsters
cannot be donr by a disturbed imbecil
i strogly sugges to his bosses to find someone a bit smarter
that knows at least some basic physics and has some monimal comon sense
beyond that of a fishmarket goon.
----------------------
Y.Porat
----------------------
Michael Varney
"Y.Porat" <map...@012.net.il> wrote in message
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Learn to spell, twit.
(Ahhh..... brings back some memories)
Michael Varney
> "Creighton Hogg" <wch...@hep.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.44.05030...@dill.hep.wisc.edu...
> |
> |
> | On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Michael Varney wrote:
> [snip]
> | > You will see how much time and effort it takes to construct such a
> list.
> | > Check out Dirk VDM' site, and add everyone on his fumble list.
> | >
> | > Add Hammond, Cesar Siervent, Peter M. Brown (May he be dead by now)
> and the
> | > nut posting the Hilal crescent moon sighting data and you have a
> small
> | > start.
> |
> | What brought you back, Mike?
>
> Once a loud mouth troll, always a loud mouth troll. He just couldn't
> resist those troll urges any longer. As if we really need the signal to
> noise ratio of the groups to get worse. We can see right away that he
> will probably not post much to do with physics. I think we can count on
> that. ;-)
>
> Hey Mikey, get a clue. Read Volovik's "The Universe in a Helium
> Droplet".
>
> FrediFizzx
Hello crackpot.
Michael Varney
> Fredi
> you are wrong
> he was laready always here with a fake name!
> he is paied by his bosses gangstrers
> but doing a bad job
> because even to be a gangster or a messenger of a gangsters
> cannot be donr by a disturbed imbecil
> i strogly sugges to his bosses to find someone a bit smarter
> that knows at least some basic physics and has some monimal comon sense
> beyond that of a fishmarket goon.
I would not thought it possible.... but your spelling has gotten worse since
I left.
Do you have a degenerative brain disease, Porat?
Y.Porat
who is that phoenix and what are his motivations
in the urgent list that he did
may be something is frighthning him and whatever
anyway if Mr 'Phpenix' is by chance the
President of the New sociaety of the international pysics
say founded by the U.N or something alke
i feel offended that i am not at the top of tha t list!!
so i demand to corrct it!!
now there ar esoem names that are missing there badly
like for instance
Frantz Hymann or feuerbacher ot ,Al ,.Gisee etc
they shold be at the bottom!!
now Mr genious Phoenix
since Hymann (&co.) is one of your hero worships
he shold get not only a priority status of honour but
a mony prize:
because he invented the FERTZ idea!1
just to anyone who didnt got the news :
a FERTZ is an em wave that has (listen carefully)
one cycle * per year** agin PER YEAR.
of course that is not for common people to get it
you must first learn not only Maxwels equation
you have to study carefully the Feymans lessons
Feymann is probably a relative family member of Hymann
or else Hymann could not reach that genious status
to invent the FERTZ
now HYman if you dont beleive me supports *untill this
moment his FErtz invention because hYmann is a man of honour!!
as all the members of his gange
in the mafia- honour is a key word!
so just ask him and he will asure you that the Fertz invention
is a sound modern physics innovation or at least a humble contribution
of his ...(sorry i forgot feuerbacher)
and if you donr believe see the Maxwell eqoations!!!
now since i am an ignorant i am looking forwards to get some physics
lessons from HYmann
and if posible from the president of the new academy of physics-
MR Phoenix
btw old pisser what is your real name dont you think
a president should use his real name !!!
or may be your real name is Don Corleone ???
all th ebest
Y.Porat
---------------
Michael Varney
>I jusr wonder
<SNIP>
Blah blah blah.......
Those prions are eating away at your brain, Porat.
Franz Heymann
"Michael Varney" <var...@collorado.edu> wrote in message
news:d0gtn7$h3d$1...@peabody.colorado.edu...
Welcome back.
What's the current stste of play with the gravity experiment?
How many independent gravity experiments are being done at Colorado?
--
Franz
"A first-rate laboratory is one in which mediocre scientists can
produce outstanding work"
P.M.S. Blackett
Mike Yarwood
>
> Can we have a complete list of cranks here.
>
> 1. Fusioneer
> 2. Greysky
> 3. newedena
> 4. Y.Porat
> 5. Thomson
> 6. Ken Seto
> 7. TomGee
> 8. Smart Model
> 9. Retic
> 10. John Sefton
> 11. Freddifix (?)
> 12. (who else)
>
>
> "Feynman Lectures on Physics 3 Vol set"??
>
> Heymann kept on correcting. It's very frustrating.
> How can you take apart the Standard Model if you
> are not veteran in it?? We know the Standard Model
> is not complete and something can turn it into a subset.
> But to enhance it, we must be adept in the in and
> out of Standard Model so as to be able to change
> it successfully.
>
> such as Feynman's and be familiar with all the concepts
> before spewing horse manure as Heymann love to call it.
> It's getting frustrating to waste time reading rubbish
> every morning.
>
> (Anti-Crank
> Pro Enhanced Physics)
>
Put me on , I don't post much anyway so even if I did say something half way
sensible some time you wouldn't miss much.
Best of Luck - Mike
ad
You can put me on it as well. I refuse to be on the same side as Uncle Al.
Y.Porat
dont you dare talking against Phoenix!! (&co.)
he is the new President of the international physics society!!
(founded by him)
he learned the Fymann lessons therefore no one shold sparak aganst him
or else ..... he should be chaised out ot the international society of
physics
and will not get free lesons about the 'Theory of everything'
in that case you will not be entitled to get lessons from
Fertz Hymann about his Fertz (Feurbacher as assistnent
he will not get lessons from Feuerbacher about HUP in the bepmetric
structure of the
Nuc.
you will not get lessons from Al about the W bosons found in experiment
nor about the 32 electrons in a shell from Varney- Pisse.
so beware!!
al lthe best
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
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"Michael Varney" <var...@collorado.edu> wrote in message
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Let's have Dark Matter. Let there be Dark Energy. Neither of
which was present at the time of the CMBR (last I heard).
Welcome back.
David A. Smith
Tom Potter
"Creighton Hogg" <wch...@hep.wisc.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.05030...@dill.hep.wisc.edu...
>
>
Mike Varney returned
because he was bothered that I did not mention
him as a significant member of the "attack pack".
I kinda figured, when I wrote that post,
that he would read it and
be compeled to make a post.
As can be seen,
the "attack pack" reacts to an opportunity to draw blood
just as a pack of dogs
or a shark does.
When one dog barks,
all the dogs join in.
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
Tom Potter
>>
>> "A crank (at least on the web and on USENET) is an individual
>> that makes claims, or holds views, that are contradicted by
>> the empirical data of observation and experiment."
>>
>> As a long time reader of the newsgroups,
>> it seems to me that folks are listed on "crank lists" and such,
>> because they have bested someone in a dichotomy,
>> or because someone doesn't like their style, politics, religion,
>> or their attitude toward their favorite physicist or theory.
>>
>> I suggest that it is incumbent upon the "attack pack" to
>> justify their assertion that these folks
>> "make claims, or hold views, that are contradicted by
>> the empirical data of observation and experiment.",
>>
>> In other words,
>> I assert that the "attack pack" are immature
>> and driven by emotions and prejudices, rather than logic, and
>> "make claims, or hold views, that are contradicted by
>> the empirical data of observation."
>
> Note that Tom CrackPotter is on the list.
When I made that post,
I was almost certain that Mike Varney would read it,
and be compeled to respond to it.
I knew that he so closely identifies with the "attack pack",
that he couldn't resist the urge to join in the howling.
It has been my experience that the social misfits
that join together and attack folks
have a common problem.
They can't get good looking gals.
Y.Porat
on a disturned sick homo
Y.Porat
------------------------
Tom Potter
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ew...@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
message news:126tf2-...@sirius.athghost7038suus.net...
> I'm not sure Tom Potter likes anybody.
Why is it,
that when I kick someone's ass in physics or politics,
that they bushwhack me
using all kinds of ridiculous statements???
As can be seen from my pictures on Yahoo,
and my posts to the newsgroups,
I like Blacks, Asians, rednecks, Muslims, Christians, Jews,
young people, old people, babies, women, etc.
I must admit that I don't like people
who lie, cheat, steal, bully, bushwhack,
try to ego trip on or insult folks,
and people who instigate conflcit and war.
Maybe "The Ghost In The Machine"
feels that he fits into one of those categories,
and that I don't like him.
Take a look at my Yahoo pictures Ghost,
and tell me what folks in the pictures
I seem to dislike.
Gregory L. Hansen
phoenix <phot...@go.com> wrote:
>
>Wow. Very impressive!
>
>Uncle Al has complete listings of cranks indeed :)
>
>from http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
>
>"Some Registered Cranks from sci.physics
>
> Tom Bearden
> Jos Boersema (josX)
etc.
I wonder whether a listing of sci.physics cranks or non-cranks would be
longer.
--
"Not that there's anything wrong with just lying around on your back. In
its way, rotting is interesing too... It's just that there are other ways
to spend your time as a cadaver." -- Mary Roach, "Stiff", 2003.
The Ghost In The Machine
<wch...@hep.wisc.edu>
wrote
on Mon, 7 Mar 2005 00:44:02 -0600
<Pine.LNX.4.44.05030...@dill.hep.wisc.edu>:
>
>
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
[snip]
>> Donald Shead had some very strange notions about force,
>> mass, and inertia, and is also gone.
>
> He's back, check out "Don1" who's started posting lately.
>
Thrill.
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
It's still legal to go .sigless.
Gregory L. Hansen
Tom Potter <t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"Michael Varney" <var...@collorado.edu> wrote in message
>news:d0gu0f$h3q$1...@peabody.colorado.edu...
>>
>> Note that Tom CrackPotter is on the list.
>
>When I made that post,
>I was almost certain that Mike Varney would read it,
>and be compeled to respond to it.
That's no big trick. I predict that Tom Potter will respond to this post
even though he knows now that he'll be playing straight into my
expectations, because some people feel compelled to respond to every
single useless post with their name in it.
--
"In any case, don't stress too much--cortisol inhibits muscular
hypertrophy. " -- Eric Dodd
Y.Porat
i suggest that you wahnt spend much time and bandwidth on him
just say :(you and everybody):
hi Homo !
Y.Porat
-----------------------
Uncle Al
[snip]
> Feynman made many mistakes. There're tones of flaws in Big Bang, SR,
> GR, and QM. Where? Just look at the google groups. Why we stop pursuing
> a genuine physics?
Idiot. There is not a single flaw, prediction vs. observation, in SR,
GR, or QM. QM is routinely exact to 17 significant figures.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity
<http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti2002/paper20.pdf>
Nature 425 374 (2003)
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture16.pdf>
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html>
Relativity in the GPS system (weak field)
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-5/index.html>
<http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1473_1.asp>
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries (strong field)
Idiot.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Mike Helland
> Wow. Very impressive!
> Uncle Al has complete listings of cranks indeed :)
> from http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
> "Some Registered Cranks from sci.physics
> Tom Van Flandern
<snip>
I think the inclusion of Tom van Flandern is a good indication that
cranks on sci.physics are simply people outside the mainstream.
Of course, a good deal of the people on the list are just plain wrong
and in many cases chronically clueless, but before you judge the
perspectives of anyone, wether they are on the list or not, you should
give them the minimal courtesy of learning about their perspective. If
you can formulate relevant and direct objections, and they cannot
respond to the criticism with some intelligence, then they might be a
crank.
Anyone that disagrees that conclusions should not be drawn before a
point of view is reviewed, understood, and then demonstrated to be
critically flawed, is a hostile enemy of the open society.
Sam Wormley
> Of course, a good deal of the people on the list are just plain wrong
> and in many cases chronically clueless, but before you judge the
> perspectives of anyone, w[h]ether they are on the list or not, you should
> give them the minimal courtesy of learning about their perspective. If
> you can formulate relevant and direct objections, and they cannot
> respond to the criticism with some intelligence, then they might be a
> crank.
>
And when the "chronically clueless" (your words) react by dismissing an
observation that contradicts their pet theory by insulting and claiming
the person citing empirical data is a religious drone--Greenfield and
Potter come to mind--what then?
Don1
snip<
> And when the "chronically clueless" (your words) react by
dismissing an
> observation that contradicts their pet theory by insulting and
claiming
> the person citing empirical data is a religious drone--Greenfield
and
> Potter come to mind--what then?
They just _might_ be cranks!
Don
Michael Varney
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:d0hqar$1un$2...@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
> In article <3937kuF...@individual.net>,
> Tom Potter <t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>"Michael Varney" <var...@collorado.edu> wrote in message
>>news:d0gu0f$h3q$1...@peabody.colorado.edu...
>
>>>
>>> Note that Tom CrackPotter is on the list.
>>
>>When I made that post,
>>I was almost certain that Mike Varney would read it,
>>and be compeled to respond to it.
>
> That's no big trick. I predict that Tom Potter will respond to this post
> even though he knows now that he'll be playing straight into my
> expectations, because some people feel compelled to respond to every
> single useless post with their name in it.
It was rather interesting that Potter seems to unerringly jump into any post
that includes his name.
I wonder if would jump through the hoops with an anagram of his name.... or
his name backwards?
Michael Varney
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ew...@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
> message news:126tf2-...@sirius.athghost7038suus.net...
>
>> I'm not sure Tom Potter likes anybody.
>
> Why is it,
> that when I kick someone's ass in physics or politics,
Which is never, so the rest of this message can be trimmed without loss.
Michael Varney
> the imbecil thinks i am goint to spendmy time
> on a disturned sick homo
> Y.Porat
You have issues Porat. *smirk*
Gregory L. Hansen
He just can't pass an opportunity to instigate. You'll see.
--
"The preferred method of entering a building is to use a tank main gun
round, direct fire artillery round, or TOW, Dragon, or Hellfire missile to
clear the first room." -- THE RANGER HANDBOOK U.S. Army, 1992
John Sefton
phoenix wrote:
> Can we have a complete list of cranks here.
>
> 1. Fusioneer
> 2. Greysky
> 3. newedena
> 4. Y.Porat
> 5. Thomson
> 6. Ken Seto
> 7. TomGee
> 8. Smart Model
> 9. Retic
> 10. John Sefton
A crackpot who continues to bat pretty good.
Since 1995 I've refuted Black Holes and
explained them as centers that recycle stars.
Recently material has been seen coming out of BHs.
Then more recently observations have been made that a nearby BH appears
to be ejecting a Quasar like a cannonball (a red-shifted one no less.)
More to follow.
How's your predictions?
John
Sam Wormley
> Recently material has been seen coming out of BHs.
Matter and energy that appear to be coming from a black hole
was never "in" a black hole. Cite credible references to back
up your assertion Sefton.
Franz Heymann
> > Fredi
> > you are wrong
> > he was laready always here with a fake name!
> > he is paied by his bosses gangstrers
> > but doing a bad job
> > because even to be a gangster or a messenger of a gangsters
> > cannot be donr by a disturbed imbecil
> > i strogly sugges to his bosses to find someone a bit smarter
> > that knows at least some basic physics and has some monimal comon
sense
> > beyond that of a fishmarket goon.
>
> I would not thought it possible.... but your spelling has gotten
worse since
> I left.
> Do you have a degenerative brain disease, Porat?
Yes. He has lost one of his three neurons.
Franz Heymann
> I jusr wonder
> who is that phoenix and what are his motivations
> in the urgent list that he did
> may be something is frighthning him and whatever
> anyway if Mr 'Phpenix' is by chance the
> President of the New sociaety of the international pysics
> say founded by the U.N or something alke
> i feel offended that i am not at the top of tha t list!!
> so i demand to corrct it!!
>
> now there ar esoem names that are missing there badly
> like for instance
> Frantz Hymann or feuerbacher ot ,Al ,.Gisee etc
> they shold be at the bottom!!
The only name you managed to handle correctly here is Al. If he had a
third letter in his name, you would have mangled that too.
> now Mr genious Phoenix
> since Hymann (&co.) is one of your hero worships
> he shold get not only a priority status of honour but
> a mony prize:
> because he invented the FERTZ idea!1
> just to anyone who didnt got the news :
> a FERTZ is an em wave that has (listen carefully)
> one cycle * per year** agin PER YEAR.
Yup. One cycle per year. That is the frequency at which the earth
radiates EM waves because of the motion of its residual charge around
the sun.
> of course that is not for common people to get it
> you must first learn not only Maxwels equation
> you have to study carefully the Feymans lessons
> Feymann is probably a relative family member of Hymann
> or else Hymann could not reach that genious status
> to invent the FERTZ
> now HYman if you dont beleive me supports *untill this
> moment his FErtz invention because hYmann is a man of honour!!
> as all the members of his gange
>
> in the mafia- honour is a key word!
> so just ask him and he will asure you that the Fertz invention
> is a sound modern physics innovation or at least a humble
contribution
> of his ...(sorry i forgot feuerbacher)
> and if you donr believe see the Maxwell eqoations!!!
> now since i am an ignorant i am looking forwards to get some physics
> lessons from HYmann
You won't be able to afford my fees.
I'll give you 5% discount the day you learn to spell my name
consistently correctly.
Hey, Porat, I started learning English when I was 8. I spoke and
spelt it correctly when I was 10.
For how many yearshas your mastery of the English language gone
steadily backwards?
If you don't start learning some physics quite soon, you will not be
able to do so at all.
John Sefton
Sam Wormley wrote:
> John Sefton wrote:
>
>> Recently material has been seen coming out of BHs.
>
>
> Matter and energy that appear to be coming from a black hole
> was never "in" a black hole.
And you know this.............how?
Sea Squid
"phoenix" <phot...@go.com> wrote in message
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>
> Can we have a complete list of cranks here.
>
> 1. Fusioneer
> 2. Greysky
> 3. newedena
> 4. Y.Porat
> 5. Thomson
> 6. Ken Seto
> 7. TomGee
> 8. Smart Model
> 9. Retic
> 10. John Sefton
> 11. Freddifix (?)
> 12. (who else)
>
>
Sam Wormley
Stems from the definition of a black hole... nothing escapes.
John Sefton
Paul Stowe wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:43:58 GMT, Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Paul Stowe wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:00:12 GMT, Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> There has NEVER been a prediction of QM, SR or GTR that was
>>>> contradicted by an observation. NEVER!
>>>
>>> What about the spiral galactic rotation profiles...??
>>>
>>> Paul Stowe
>>
>>
>> Scientists Map Dark Matter, Prove Einstein Right
>> http://www.space.com/news/cosmic_shear_000512.html
>>
>> Particle Dark Matter: Evidence, Candidates and Constraints
>> http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0404175
>
>
> What a brain dead idiot...
>
> Paul Stowe
Hey Paul, I remember when I
first came on here in 1995 and you were
SOoooo polite and nice and you made some
comment on how I was being a bit flippant
or something.......I see you're picking up the lingo!
:-)
John
John Sefton
Paul Stowe wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:43:58 GMT, Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Paul Stowe wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:00:12 GMT, Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> There has NEVER been a prediction of QM, SR or GTR that was
>>>> contradicted by an observation. NEVER!
>>>
>>> What about the spiral galactic rotation profiles...??
>>>
>>> Paul Stowe
>>
>>
>> Scientists Map Dark Matter, Prove Einstein Right
>> http://www.space.com/news/cosmic_shear_000512.html
>>
>> Particle Dark Matter: Evidence, Candidates and Constraints
>> http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0404175
>
>
> What a brain dead idiot...
>
> Paul Stowe
No kidding.
John Sefton
Paul Stowe wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:00:12 GMT, Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Waldo Graham wrote:
>>
>>>There're tones of flaws in Big Bang, SR,
>>>GR, and QM. Where? Just look at the google groups. Why we stop pursuing
>>>a genuine physics?
>>>
>>
>> There has NEVER been a prediction of QM, SR or GTR that was
>> contradicted by an observation. NEVER!
>>
>
>
> What about the spiral galactic rotation profiles...??
>
> Paul Stowe
That was what Dark Matter was *invented*
to explain.
How handy to have something invisible to explain
away your little problem of the whole galaxy
turning as a single unit.
He says computers have modelled a good shape to
accomplish this; some sort of toroid surrounding each
galaxy?
Of course the point is moot since DM can't
be seen (by definition).
But DM is now also being used to explain
*all* the missing mass. Promotion! Good job,
Invisible Boy!
John
Y.Porat
because that is another red herring of the old croock
btw when was it that you started to get your croock education??
and no w to you Fertz
i am very happy that you insist on it or else
how could i show that you are a parrot idiot??
and just last remerk
one day and it is not too far you will have to collect your belongings
and present yourself in paradize
now the angl e there will ask you
how do you what to be remembered in history??
what where your contributins to the advance of scince ??
and what are your sins in puting obstacles on its way??
and he will tell you
people that are not honset and just disturb are thrwon to the garbage
of history!!
Y.P
-----------------------------------
robert j. kolker
John Sefton wrote:
> That was what Dark Matter was *invented*
> to explain.
> How handy to have something invisible to explain
> away your little problem of the whole galaxy
> turning as a single unit.
> He says computers have modelled a good shape to
> accomplish this; some sort of toroid surrounding each
> galaxy?
> Of course the point is moot since DM can't
> be seen (by definition).
If dark matter consists of "superpartners" to visible particles and
futher experimentation supports supersymmetry, then dark matter may be
more than an ad hoc hypothesis. Also if dark matter can can predict
other effects which ARE observed then it has more to do than merely to
save gravitational theory.
The correctness of the dark matter hypothesis is still an open question.
If some other means of explaining non-keplerian motion in galaxies can
be found, then dark matter may go the way of aether. It remains to be
sean whether dark matter is more than an ad hoc tire patch.
>
> But DM is now also being used to explain
> *all* the missing mass. Promotion! Good job,
> Invisible Boy!
No one ever saw an atom, but the atomic hypothesis explains and predicts
just about everything we know about matter.
Most of the basic entities of physics are quite invisible and can only
be detected with instruments or inferred indirectly. Since these
entities lead to quantitative predictions which might be falsified
experimentally, they are kosher scientific constructs.
Bob Kolker
Michael Varney
"John Sefton" <veg...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:422d39aa$1...@news.accesscomm.ca...
Because he spent time actually learning what a black hole is and how it
behaves.
>
Double-A
John Sefton wrote:
> Paul Stowe wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 04:00:12 GMT, Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Waldo Graham wrote:
> >>
> >>>There're tones of flaws in Big Bang, SR,
> >>>GR, and QM. Where? Just look at the google groups. Why we stop
pursuing
> >>>a genuine physics?
> >>>
> >>
> >> There has NEVER been a prediction of QM, SR or GTR that was
> >> contradicted by an observation. NEVER!
> >>
> >
> >
> > What about the spiral galactic rotation profiles...??
> >
> > Paul Stowe
>
> That was what Dark Matter was *invented*
> to explain.
> How handy to have something invisible to explain
> away your little problem of the whole galaxy
> turning as a single unit.
> John
It's always nice to have invisible helpers to make sure your theory
works as billed.
Double-A
bz
@individual.net:
> No one ever saw an atom, but the atomic hypothesis explains and predicts
> just about everything we know about matter.
>
>
http://webphysics.iupui.edu/webscience/physics_archive/stm.html
--
bz
please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.
Tom Potter
As my pappy used to say,
"A stuck pig squeals."
As can be seen
from Mike Varney's reactions to my posts
I have kicked his ass many times.
Me thinks the boy protests too much.
--
Tom Potter
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:sd0Xd.42050$Ze3.18102@attbi_s51...
As my pappy used to say:
"A stuck pig squeals."
Maybe I should quit "sticking" Wormley,
so he will quit bushwhacking me,
and I won't have to respond to his childish insults.
It is interesting to observe that Sam Wormley lies
(As he commonly does.)
when he asserts that I
"claim the person citing empirical data is a religious drone."
I challenge Sam Wormy
to post proof that would allow him
to rationalize this lie.
No phony references.
No wild goose chases.
Real proof.
Don't hold your breath expecting proof from Sam
about his assertions.
Tom Potter
"Don1" <dcs...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1110217374.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Just curious Don1,
why did you make this post?
Could you post a rational, intelligent, logical explanation
that indicates why you were compeled
to respond vacuously to a vacuous post?
Tom Potter
> In article <d0i43h$84s$1...@peabody.colorado.edu>,
> Michael Varney <var...@collorado.edu> wrote:
>>
>>"Gregory L. Hansen" <glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
>>news:d0hqar$1un$2...@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
>>> In article <3937kuF...@individual.net>,
>>> Tom Potter <t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Michael Varney" <var...@collorado.edu> wrote in message
>>>>news:d0gu0f$h3q$1...@peabody.colorado.edu...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that Tom CrackPotter is on the list.
>>>>
>>>>When I made that post,
>>>>I was almost certain that Mike Varney would read it,
>>>>and be compeled to respond to it.
>>>
>>> That's no big trick. I predict that Tom Potter will respond to this
>>> post
>>> even though he knows now that he'll be playing straight into my
>>> expectations, because some people feel compelled to respond to every
>>> single useless post with their name in it.
>>
>>It was rather interesting that Potter seems to unerringly jump into any
>>post
>>that includes his name.
>>I wonder if would jump through the hoops with an anagram of his name....
>>or
>>his name backwards?
>
> He just can't pass an opportunity to instigate. You'll see.
"Gregory L. Hansen" and Michael Varney make a good point!
Although I don't bushwhack folks
and try to boost my ego at the expense of other folks,
like hansen, and the members of the "attack pack" do,
I do respond to posts addressed to me,
as my pappy always said:
"Speak when spoken to,
even by idiots and fools."
Tom Potter
"robert j. kolker" <now...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:394uigF...@individual.net...
Kosher models are race and religion biased.
Models that map the past,
may not be viable, cost-effective,
and useful for present time use,
and may not predict the future well.
When people begin to think that a model
is capable of predicting the future,
the model becomes a dead end religion,
and locks up people's minds.
The best model to use for immediate situations,
is the most viable, cost-effective one,
that can be used for handling the situation at hand.
The best model for probing into the future,
is trail and error with an open mind.
Guys like Edison and Fadary were the masters at this,
as well as they guys who invented the transistor,
the MASER, and most other things.
For example,
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel,
and is not viable and cost-effective,
and can't be used to solve everyday problems
in communications, spring mass systems, electronics,
structures, chemistry, genetics, medicine, etc.
It wastes far too much time, money, and minds
on the pursuit of Black Holes, Warped Space, time travel, etc.
Note that billions of dollars are wasted every year,
not probing for useful things and techniques
like Edison and Farady probed for,
but for confirming Relativity as a religion.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Sam Wormley
>
> Although I don't bushwhack folks
> and try to boost my ego at the expense of other folks,
> like hansen, and the members of the "attack pack" do,
>
> I do respond to posts addressed to me,
> as my pappy always said:
>
> "Speak when spoken to,
> even by idiots and fools."
>
It is hard to find a Potter posting that didn't bushwhack at somebody!
Potter's always exhibited a heart of vengeance. Thanks for registering
at crank dot net Potter!
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Tom+Potter%22+site%3Awww.crank.net
Sam Wormley
>
> As my pappy used to say,
> "A stuck pig squeals."
>
> As can be seen
> from Mike Varney's reactions to my posts
> I have kicked his ass many times.
>
> Me thinks the boy protests too much.
>
Potter has tried to kick ass in almost every one of his posts, but
always winds up getting his ass kicked. Thanks for registering at
Sam Wormley
>
> Could you [Don1] post a rational, intelligent, logical explanation
> that indicates why you were compeled
> to respond vacuously to a vacuous post?
>
Hey Potter--Shead has never made a rational, intelligent, logical explanation
posting on USENET and is not likely to. You're no smarter than he, so quit
picking on him. Thanks for registering at crank dot net Potter!
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Tom+Potter%22+site%3Awww.crank.net
Sam Wormley
>
> Maybe I should quit "sticking" Wormley,
> so he will quit bushwhacking me,
> and I won't have to respond to his childish insults.
>
Potter has tried to "stick" somebody's ass with childish insults
in almost every one of his posts, but always winds up getting his
ass "sticked". Thanks for registering at crank dot net Potter!
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Tom+Potter%22+site%3Awww.crank.net
Sam Wormley
> General Relativity is a Tower of Babel,
> and is not viable and cost-effective,
> and can't be used to solve everyday problems
> in communications, spring mass systems, electronics,
> structures, chemistry, genetics, medicine, etc.
>
Potter has failed to learn the simplest tenets of General Relativity
and doesn't even realize that there has NEVER been a prediction of
GTR that was contradicted by an observation. NEVER! Thanks for
Gregory L. Hansen
Tom Potter <t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
There he is.
And he's instigating.
--
"Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of
Congress... But I repeat myself." - Mark Twain
Dirk Van de moortel
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message news:d0kdco$tjf$2...@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
You did it. Good job :-)
Dirk Vdm
Gregory L. Hansen
Tom Potter <t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>For example,
>General Relativity is a Tower of Babel,
>and is not viable and cost-effective,
>and can't be used to solve everyday problems
>in communications, spring mass systems, electronics,
>structures, chemistry, genetics, medicine, etc.
It is interesting to note that, despite his dislike of general relativity,
"Tom Potter" recognizes that he has no scientific argument against it.
And so he must shift the argument to cost-effective applications that are
beyond the recognized scope of general relativity. The theory is, indeed,
not a viable and cost-effective model to solve everyday problems in
communications, spring mass systems, electronics, [crystal?] structures,
chemistry, genetics, medicine, etc. One can only wonder why he thinks it
is necessary to mention that, since the theory has never been promoted for
those uses.
It can only be concluded that "Tom Potter" does not consider science
itself a worthy pursuit, unless it is in direct support of immediate
engineering needs.
--
"The preferred method of entering a building is to use a tank main gun
round, direct fire artillery round, or TOW, Dragon, or Hellfire missile to
clear the first room." -- THE RANGER HANDBOOK U.S. Army, 1992
Jon Bell
If it weren't for the "L." I'd suspect that Greg's full name is Gregory
Ivanovich Pavlovovich Hansen. :-)
--
Jon Bell <jtbe...@presby.edu> Presbyterian College
Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA
Dirk Van de moortel
"Jon Bell" <jtbe...@presby.edu> wrote in message news:d0kg2t$hd9$1...@jtbell.presby.edu...
> In article <HTjXd.1247$4g2...@news.cpqcorp.net>,
> Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Gregory L. Hansen" <glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
> >news:d0kdco$tjf$2...@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
> >> In article <395i5eF...@individual.net>,
> >> Tom Potter <t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> There he is.
> >
> >You did it. Good job :-)
>
> If it weren't for the "L." I'd suspect that Greg's full name is Gregory
> Ivanovich Pavlovovich Hansen. :-)
Slabber slabber drool drool :-))
Mike Helland
One calls the other childish, and then the other calls the one
childish.
It seems that you're both right to me.
Potter, you've got more to gain here than Wormley does. Recognize that
and act like it through a little diplomacy and self-censorship.
Dirk Van de moortel
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message news:d0kfua$tjf$5...@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
> In article <395jtvF...@individual.net>,
> Tom Potter <t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >For example,
> >General Relativity is a Tower of Babel,
> >and is not viable and cost-effective,
> >and can't be used to solve everyday problems
> >in communications, spring mass systems, electronics,
> >structures, chemistry, genetics, medicine, etc.
>
> It is interesting to note that, despite his dislike of general relativity,
> "Tom Potter" recognizes that he has no scientific argument against it.
> And so he must shift the argument to cost-effective applications that are
> beyond the recognized scope of general relativity. The theory is, indeed,
> not a viable and cost-effective model to solve everyday problems in
> communications, spring mass systems, electronics, [crystal?] structures,
> chemistry, genetics, medicine, etc. One can only wonder why he thinks it
> is necessary to mention that, since the theory has never been promoted for
> those uses.
>
> It can only be concluded that "Tom Potter" does not consider science
> itself a worthy pursuit, unless it is in direct support of immediate
> engineering needs.
... and as long as his plane does not have to make a landing
in zero visibility circumstances, in which case Potter always
asks for a viably and cost-effectively designed parachute.
Dirk Vdm
Franz Heymann
"Sea Squid" <Sea....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:422d3abb$1...@news.starhub.net.sg...
> Uncle Al..
No. Uncle Al is certainly not a crank. He knows more physica than
you ever will.
Having said that, as a person he has quite a reprehensible character,
--
Franz
"A first-rate laboratory is one in which mediocre scientists can
produce outstanding work"
P.M.S. Blackett>
Franz Heymann
[snip]
> As my pappy used to say,
> "A stuck pig squeals."
Indeed you do. Your Pappy was wiser than you
[snip]
Franz Heymann
[snip]
> As my pappy used to say:
> "A stuck pig squeals."
Potty, you've had your mileage on this merry quip.