I believe in the Revolution
Andrew Usher
I believe in the Revolution, that concept through which free men can
overthrow the oppression of the elite. The American Revolution wasn't
a real revolution, it was just one part of the elite against another
part, and we ought to be ashamed of commemorating it. Nationalism and
patriotism are nothing but poison, and July 14 1789 is much more
worthy of remembrance than July 4 1776. The French Revolution was not
the only revolution in modern history, but it was the most successful,
for most of its gains have never been reversed. But we've let our
rulers hijack its memory, so that we are to believe that the initial
stages of the revolution were nothing but degeneration to anarchy;
that Robespierre, who executed a thousand trouble-makers in his brave
effort to save the Revolution, was and irredemptible tyrant, while the
odious Bonaparte, who killed a million poor soldiers and as many
civilans in the wars to gratify his ego, is considered neutral at
worst.
I believe in the Revolution, and its name is socialism. Pure communism
is not possible in any large society, and likely is not even
desirable; but to argue from that to its opposite is ludicrous.
Capitalism is the system through which our elites rule over us, and
capitalist ideology the system that justifies it. The right to rule
belongs to no one, and certainly not to those whose only qualification
is the wealth or influence of their parents, nor to success in
business - for no matter how much businessmen do aid society in
business, the qualities that bring success (defined of course by
money) there are pretty much personally repugnant. Socialism is that
which tells us that there is another way, that by abandoning the
mistake of capitalist ideology we can harness the vastly increased
productivity brought by modern technology to give all of us a decent
existence.
I believe in the Revolution, and know that I am meant to lead it. I am
a revolutionary stuck without a revolution. I am meant to become king
of America, perhaps the world - and I know people should say I am the
Caesar of this age! Yes, I call myself king, for my government would
be a monarchy modeled on that exemplar of stability, the Catholic
Church, with each king elected by a college appointed by previous
kings, for this is the only system that maintains stablity while
avoiding excessive class distinctions and the two evils of hereditary
rule and popular democracy. It should hardly need saying that the king
should preferably be a celibate man such as I would be, so as to
insulate the government from the corrupting influence of women. The
inherent selfishness of women destroys true socialism.
The Revolution never ends, can never end, but takes different forms
depending on the particular evil of each age. Our ruling class is not
the same as the ruling class of the feudal age, no, our ruling class
is more subtle than that. (You can read http://menswiki.wikidot.com/essay:class
to see further thoughts on that.) They try and conceal the real truth
that they do consitute a distinct social class, that they give
themselves massively more opportunity than the common man, that their
control over the media means they really run the country despite the
facade of democracy. Like all forms of hereditary rule, dominance by
the elites produces unacceptable levels of privilege and an
unresponsive government. The very reason why the USA has poorer
government for ordinary people than Europe is the elites' greater
power and exclusivity here. It may be noted, and it is no accident,
that the United States also has the highest proportion of Jews; I
wouldn't doubt that an actual majority of Jews are members of the
elite classes. Jews accomplish this by bootstrapping their somewhat
superior talent (on average) with their very powerful ethnic
networking and demonisation of 'anti-Semitism'; though the latter is
less necessary now, as Jewish power is already entrenched. Jews'
nature leads their influence to be harmful to society, as shown in
Kevin MacDonald's fantastic books.
I believe in the Revolution, and I know that to effect it we must
throw out Jews and women from the halls of power. While feminism is
not strictly a Jewish movement, it has since the 1960s (not
coincidentally, when it reached its highest success) been backed by
Jews, who do so precisely because of its destructive effects on
gentile society. Feminism is also enabled by the capitalist system and
its greed (see http://groups.google.com/group/soc.m...48708c14bc323c
for some thoughts), as no more equitable system would allow women to
hijack it to the extent that they have done to capitalism. One could
easily say that the driving force behind our ruling class is a
coalition between the subversive Jew and the irrational woman; non-
whites, while they certainly scramble for their slice of the pie, are
mostly useful idiots. The inheritance of white men has been stolen
from us.
Too long have we white men let irrelevant forces divide us when we
ought to unite. We have fought countless wars, and for what? We have
let nationalism seduce us, and for what? Adolph Hitler was one of the
most evil men to ever attain power, but he couldn't put himself there.
It was the failure of the government to effectively respond to the
crises facing Germany that did it; it was the legacy of a war that
should never have been fought at all, that was the result of
nationalism and militarism gone haywire. Never again! The ruling
classes always lie, though the nature of their lies may change. They
always lie to distract us from the truth, through which their power
would crumble.
I believe in the Revolution, and I believe in reason. No Bible, no
Church, do I need to tell me the truth. I believe in the
Enlightenment, I am a man of the Enlightenment, I say that man must
strive to overthrow the despotism of every ruling class that attempts
to subjugate it, we must because it is our nature, it is our patrimony
as free men. It is always 1789, the Revolution never ends, the
Enlightenment never ends, the only lasting glory lies therein! After
10,000 years of civilisation, are we morally better? Yes, yes! -
because of philosophy, because of thinking, because of writing,
because of enlightenment, but ideas do not effect themselves! Remember
Schiller's great poem, and 'Bettlern werden Fuerstenbrueder' -
Freiheit, Freedom, Libertas!
Andrew Usher
Don Stockbauer
> to see further thoughts on that.) They try and conceal the real truth
> that they do consitute a distinct social class, that they give
> themselves massively more opportunity than the common man, that their
> control over the media means they really run the country despite the
> facade of democracy. Like all forms of hereditary rule, dominance by
> the elites produces unacceptable levels of privilege and an
> unresponsive government. The very reason why the USA has poorer
> government for ordinary people than Europe is the elites' greater
> power and exclusivity here. It may be noted, and it is no accident,
> that the United States also has the highest proportion of Jews; I
> wouldn't doubt that an actual majority of Jews are members of the
> elite classes. Jews accomplish this by bootstrapping their somewhat
> superior talent (on average) with their very powerful ethnic
> networking and demonisation of 'anti-Semitism'; though the latter is
> less necessary now, as Jewish power is already entrenched. Jews'
> nature leads their influence to be harmful to society, as shown in
> Kevin MacDonald's fantastic books.
>
> I believe in the Revolution, and I know that to effect it we must
> throw out Jews and women from the halls of power. While feminism is
> not strictly a Jewish movement, it has since the 1960s (not
> coincidentally, when it reached its highest success) been backed by
> Jews, who do so precisely because of its destructive effects on
> gentile society. Feminism is also enabled by the capitalist system and
Instead of "The Revolution", why not go with the naturally occurring
proliferation of networks?
turtoni
(snip)
> I believe in the Revolution, and its name is socialism.
Define in detail how your "socialism" works. Otherwise it's just a
bunch of fluff with you getting a hard-on for a REVOLUTION!!!
HTHelps.
Michael Gordge
> Capitalism is the system through which our elites rule over us,
Wrong fuckwit, capitalism is the only political sytem that allows you
to walk away freely from those who you do not wish to deal with and to
deal with those who you alone freely choose to deal with.
MG
tooly
> to see further thoughts on that.) They try and conceal the real truth
> that they do consitute a distinct social class, that they give
> themselves massively more opportunity than the common man, that their
> control over the media means they really run the country despite the
> facade of democracy. Like all forms of hereditary rule, dominance by
> the elites produces unacceptable levels of privilege and an
> unresponsive government. The very reason why the USA has poorer
> government for ordinary people than Europe is the elites' greater
> power and exclusivity here. It may be noted, and it is no accident,
> that the United States also has the highest proportion of Jews; I
> wouldn't doubt that an actual majority of Jews are members of the
> elite classes. Jews accomplish this by bootstrapping their somewhat
> superior talent (on average) with their very powerful ethnic
> networking and demonisation of 'anti-Semitism'; though the latter is
> less necessary now, as Jewish power is already entrenched. Jews'
> nature leads their influence to be harmful to society, as shown in
> Kevin MacDonald's fantastic books.
>
> I believe in the Revolution, and I know that to effect it we must
> throw out Jews and women from the halls of power. While feminism is
> not strictly a Jewish movement, it has since the 1960s (not
> coincidentally, when it reached its highest success) been backed by
> Jews, who do so precisely because of its destructive effects on
> gentile society. Feminism is also enabled by the capitalist system and
I've been curious how this is all going to go down. We've been on a
primerose path ever since civil rights legislation, pushing us further
and further from 'objective reality' into egalitarian fantasyland.
Nature corrects itself in time, I'm sure. Unfortunately, if human
society gets too far off track [too far afield from objective
reality], history has seen social upheaval of one sort or another take
place for such correction [that French revolution, American
revolution, WWII, USSR falling just to name a few]. We are not only
'far afield' from that objectiver reality now, but actually topsy
turvy...upside down, where good has become bad, and the bad, somehow
'good'. Thus is the nature of socialism's call to us today...a beast
long since proven as an inferior thing.
The best human system is simply that which is most FREE. It is always
by the tampering of men, intellectuals, activists, and yes elitists,
even if well meant, that carry societies off nature's due course to
stay with 'reality' and thusly, to lead to corrections in time. Yes,
indeed...revolution to the revolution.
Where there is an ACTION, a REACTION stands to also take place.
America will NEVER accept socialism formally. It is simply too inbred
in our heritage that THE people will resist it, no matter how the
'intellectuals, activists, elitists and other tamperers' force it upon
us. FREEDOM is our birthright; our national character. Anything less
we will rebuke and rebell upon.
So...it is not really socialism I personally fear, but the REACTION to
it that stands off in the shadows of such spectacles as 9/12 marches
that, once moved beyond it's reasonable composure to 'bend' [and bend
and bend and bend some more]...that when it snaps a true rabid fascism
could be once again rising it's ugly face into the world. Evil is
evil, and it does not care for the motion of it's mean character, but
only that it serve a single purpose to REGAIN that which is being
stolen; to right wrongs put upon the FREE citizenry for so many
decades now, and to vindicate 'rational reason' as having TEETH as the
bigger predator when all bets are off, and that reason is given over
to a deeper nature to simply SURVIVE.
There is a genuine agitation growing in the masses today, a FEAR and a
disbelief in what it sees taking place by this new administration, and
the rising call for Socialism as chosen path for formal adherence.
This is ALIEN to the American heart; to the character of a nation that
has grown for over 200 years to become a giant in the world, and for
the world.
So, agitate our youth on college campuses all you want; prance around
on Pittsburg streets trying to be new hippies and shagsters of all
sorts in some weak emulation of eras long gone; have your childish
'fun' while you can. The world is become 'tired' and 'weary'
and...'bored'; and as the 'invented economic' crisis runs it's course,
a new subliminal desire arises to call the devil's upheaval upon our
heads yet one more time.
Won't happen? The economy is all that saves us; but Obama has sealed
the deal methinks; give it about 3 to 4 more years and the dollar is
gutted; China stops buying our debt; we will be ruined. But then,
wasn't that the plan?
Benj
> There is a genuine agitation growing in the masses today, a FEAR and a
> disbelief in what it sees taking place by this new administration, and
> the rising call for Socialism as chosen path for formal adherence.
> This is ALIEN to the American heart; to the character of a nation that
> has grown for over 200 years to become a giant in the world, and for
> the world.
Alien to the American ideal but not alien to history. The history of
the world is based upon the idea that the common people are incapable
of running their own lives. The idea is that if you give them freedom
to do that, they'll all be so stupid, they'll take to drink and
gambling and other self-destructive acts until society falls apart.
And to be sure SOME people are like that. Thus the idea is that there
must be a RULING CLASS that has the intelligence, knowledge, and self-
control to save the common people from themselves. In the old days
they were called Kings and nobles, today they are disguised in
governments and industry in various ways. But the idea of the ruling
class remains. We call it "socialism". The ruling class needs to take
your money, your possessions and your freedom because you would only
destroy yourselves with it. The American ideal on the other hand, is
that people if left to their own devices pretty much will do a decent
job of deciding what's best for them. After all, they are there on the
ground right where it's happening. But that means that the ruling
class has lost control and income to redistribute as they see fit. And
they don't much like that.
> Won't happen? The economy is all that saves us; but Obama has sealed
> the deal methinks; give it about 3 to 4 more years and the dollar is
> gutted; China stops buying our debt; we will be ruined. But then,
> wasn't that the plan?
Yes, that is the plan. You see the "plan" everywhere. Destruction of
American manufacturing, destruction of morality (especially for black
people) destruction of responsibility for your actions and finally
destruction of every responsibility in life except to obey your
rulers. That day Americans become share-croppers of the ruling class
disguised as government and they are trapped in endless exploitation
and obedience.
For what is "the state"? Is the "state" the country? It's land? It's
people? It's traditions? Nope. It is a mythical abstract construct of
an object you are meant to serve without question. The "state" is
nothing more than an abstract word covering up the ruling class. King
Louis of France said it best. The state? It's ME!
Benj
> I believe in the Revolution, and its name is socialism. Pure communism
> is not possible in any large society, and likely is not even
> desirable; but to argue from that to its opposite is ludicrous.
News flash Andrew. Your envy of the world The Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics crashed and burned under the massive weight of
it's own bureaucracy and idiotic system. What is idiotic is anyone
who still thinks that "planned economies" can work.
> I believe in the Revolution, and know that I am meant to lead it. I am
> a revolutionary stuck without a revolution. I am meant to become king
> of America, perhaps the world - and I know people should say I am the
> Caesar of this age! Yes, I call myself king, for my government would
> be a monarchy modeled on that exemplar of stability, the Catholic
> Church, with each king elected by a college appointed by previous
> kings, for this is the only system that maintains stablity while
> avoiding excessive class distinctions and the two evils of hereditary
> rule and popular democracy.
No megalomaniac dreams of conquest here! How shall we show our
obedience to your wisdom and leadership, your majesty? May I grovel
at your self-appointed feet. May I suggest a funny little Charlie
Chaplin mustache to complete your image of the great leader, your
grace?
Idiot.
> I believe in the Revolution, and I believe in reason. No Bible, no
> Church, do I need to tell me the truth. I believe in the
> Enlightenment, I am a man of the Enlightenment, I say that man must
> strive to overthrow the despotism of every ruling class that attempts
> to subjugate it, we must because it is our nature, it is our patrimony
> as free men.
Remember that morality is an illusion. Ethics are an illusion. Man and
the world EVOLVED from animals and animal behavior is normal. If
someone has something you want, you take it. If they get in your way,
you kill them. No crimes. No guilt. No punishment save what your
enemies can inflict upon you. It's called "natural selection". If I
may quote one of your heroes, Old Joe Stalin: "Death solves all
problems - No man, No problem!" Let us hope your philosophy gets to
you before we have to.
Idiot.
> Andrew Usher
tooly
Who's your leader? The psychology of power and control is often
missed by those who think they have power and control.
Capt. HazeHorn
> to see further thoughts on that.) They try and conceal the real truth
> that they do consitute a distinct social class, that they give
> themselves massively more opportunity than the common man, that their
> control over the media means they really run the country despite the
> facade of democracy. Like all forms of hereditary rule, dominance by
> the elites produces unacceptable levels of privilege and an
> unresponsive government. The very reason why the USA has poorer
> government for ordinary people than Europe is the elites' greater
> power and exclusivity here. It may be noted, and it is no accident,
> that the United States also has the highest proportion of Jews; I
> wouldn't doubt that an actual majority of Jews are members of the
> elite classes. Jews accomplish this by bootstrapping their somewhat
> superior talent (on average) with their very powerful ethnic
> networking and demonisation of 'anti-Semitism'; though the latter is
> less necessary now, as Jewish power is already entrenched. Jews'
> nature leads their influence to be harmful to society, as shown in
> Kevin MacDonald's fantastic books.
>
> I believe in the Revolution, and I know that to effect it we must
> throw out Jews and women from the halls of power. While feminism is
> not strictly a Jewish movement, it has since the 1960s (not
> coincidentally, when it reached its highest success) been backed by
> Jews, who do so precisely because of its destructive effects on
> gentile society. Feminism is also enabled by the capitalist system and
revolt, ah yeh, revolt frum all yoh bad karma, an get rite, join
Janism now.
Uncle Al
[snip crap]
> I believe in the Revolution, that concept through which free men can
> overthrow the oppression of the elite.
Imagine a boot crushing a human face, forever.
Hey stooopid, how free will you be when government turns off your
credit and communication? To where will you flee to be free?
> The American Revolution wasn't
> a real revolution, it was just one part of the elite against another
> part, and we ought to be ashamed of commemorating it.
"All men" were White male landowners and businessmen. The Founding
Fathers had it locked. In 2008 the Los Angeles Unified School
District had 694,288 students, 8.9% of whom were White. The
California Academic Performance Index examination - Officially
reported by race! - discloses two interesting real world facts:
1) Of 1177 LAUSD schools, a mere 111 had average CAPI scores of 800
or more. 800 CAPI norms to 95 IQ.
2) Of the 60% of high school entrants that are graduated within six
years, the overall average CAPI IQ is 84.
If you do not like patriarchal White Protestant European historic
oppression of Peoples of Colour, the alternative will be full bore in
your face and wallet within a few years - and you'd better learn
gutter Spanish in the interim.
> Nationalism and
> patriotism are nothing but poison,
idiot
The shared mythos is all that prevents the Balkans come to North
America. Are you so incomprehensibly stooopid you think the Civil War
was about slavery?
[snip crap]
> I believe in the Revolution, and know that I am meant to lead it.
[snip rest of crap]
idiot
USSR, Khmer Rouge, Shining Path; Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam...
Free men are free of taxation not free of income.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
G=EMC^2 Glazier
fascist. People have no voice in a fascist government. In a fascist
system banks are owned by the state, wars are fought without people
consent. Schools are closed to save money. People's credit is taken
away. Poor will end up with Tang,to keep the city streets clean. All
utilities will be paid for out of taxes. It has been the way of life in
Florida for over 10 years. It spread to all of USA Charlie Crist is
very EVIL and will be president of USA. Its the way it is. Bert
ray ray
> to see further thoughts on that.) They try and conceal the real truth
> that they do consitute a distinct social class, that they give
> themselves massively more opportunity than the common man, that their
> control over the media means they really run the country despite the
> facade of democracy. Like all forms of hereditary rule, dominance by
> the elites produces unacceptable levels of privilege and an
> unresponsive government. The very reason why the USA has poorer
> government for ordinary people than Europe is the elites' greater
> power and exclusivity here. It may be noted, and it is no accident,
> that the United States also has the highest proportion of Jews; I
> wouldn't doubt that an actual majority of Jews are members of the
> elite classes. Jews accomplish this by bootstrapping their somewhat
> superior talent (on average) with their very powerful ethnic
> networking and demonisation of 'anti-Semitism'; though the latter is
> less necessary now, as Jewish power is already entrenched. Jews'
> nature leads their influence to be harmful to society, as shown in
> Kevin MacDonald's fantastic books.
>
> I believe in the Revolution, and I know that to effect it we must
> throw out Jews and women from the halls of power. While feminism is
> not strictly a Jewish movement, it has since the 1960s (not
> coincidentally, when it reached its highest success) been backed by
> Jews, who do so precisely because of its destructive effects on
> gentile society. Feminism is also enabled by the capitalist system and
Libertas is the name of the Goddess adopted by the masons who arranged
and led the French and American "revoultions"
Libertas, Columbia, the name changes but the game's the same . . .
she's the Goddess who presides over, for example, the Capitol Dome in
her personal enclave of power, the District of Columbia
she's the Goddess who rules the western world, and "feminism" is
merely her latest daughter
all ideologies and political systems stem from her, and lead back to
her
the Enlightenment, humanism, republicanism, democracy . . . they all
sound so salvific, so progressive, so comforting and alluring to the
human mind
Lady Libertas and her Wonderful Revolutions only lead deeper into hell
Andrew Usher
LOL ! Smoke the Libertarian weed ...
Andrew Usher
Andrew Usher
> Where there is an ACTION, a REACTION stands to also take place.
> America will NEVER accept socialism formally. It is simply too inbred
> in our heritage that THE people will resist it, no matter how the
> 'intellectuals, activists, elitists and other tamperers' force it upon
> us. FREEDOM is our birthright; our national character. Anything less
> we will rebuke and rebell upon.
The Big Lie of the American system is that Socialism destroys freedom.
Andrew Usher
Immortalist
Sounds more like a definition of "the State" as an enforcement regime
nested inside institutions, instead of "capitalism gone wild"
> MG
Andrew Usher
> On Sep 30, 12:07 am, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I believe in the Revolution, and its name is socialism. Pure communism
> > is not possible in any large society, and likely is not even
> > desirable; but to argue from that to its opposite is ludicrous.
>
> News flash Andrew. Your envy of the world The Union of Soviet
> Socialist Republics crashed and burned under the massive weight of
> it's own bureaucracy and idiotic system. What is idiotic is anyone
> who still thinks that "planned economies" can work.
Idiot. The USSR was never 'the envy of the world'. It had serious
problems, mostly due to the Jews. The real reason it failed was that
it had created a huge parasite problem - much like our system has.
> > I believe in the Revolution, and I believe in reason. No Bible, no
> > Church, do I need to tell me the truth. I believe in the
> > Enlightenment, I am a man of the Enlightenment, I say that man must
> > strive to overthrow the despotism of every ruling class that attempts
> > to subjugate it, we must because it is our nature, it is our patrimony
> > as free men.
>
> Remember that morality is an illusion. Ethics are an illusion. Man and
> the world EVOLVED from animals and animal behavior is normal. If
> someone has something you want, you take it. If they get in your way,
> you kill them. No crimes. No guilt. No punishment save what your
> enemies can inflict upon you. It's called "natural selection". If I
> may quote one of your heroes, Old Joe Stalin: "Death solves all
> problems - No man, No problem!" Let us hope your philosophy gets to
> you before we have to.
Wow. So you believe in the ethics of Joe Stalin? And you pretend to be
able to criticise mine?
Andrew Usher
Andrew Usher
> Andrew Usher wrote:
> [snip crap]
>
> > overthrow the oppression of the elite.
>
I can. And I don't like it.
> Hey stooopid, how free will you be when government turns off your
> credit and communication? To where will you flee to be free?
They can't, hopefully. And I support a system where they could not.
> "All men" were White male landowners and businessmen. The Founding
> Fathers had it locked. In 2008 the Los Angeles Unified School
> District had 694,288 students, 8.9% of whom were White. The
> California Academic Performance Index examination - Officially
> reported by race! - discloses two interesting real world facts:
>
> 1) Of 1177 LAUSD schools, a mere 111 had average CAPI scores of 800
> or more. 800 CAPI norms to 95 IQ.
> 2) Of the 60% of high school entrants that are graduated within six
> years, the overall average CAPI IQ is 84.
>
> If you do not like patriarchal White Protestant European historic
> oppression of Peoples of Colour, the alternative will be full bore in
> your face and wallet within a few years - and you'd better learn
> gutter Spanish in the interim.
I think I agree with you here.
> > Nationalism and
> > patriotism are nothing but poison,
>
> idiot
>
> The shared mythos is all that prevents the Balkans come to North
> America. Are you so incomprehensibly stooopid you think the Civil War
> was about slavery?
Since it was, I'm not stupid.
> > I believe in the Revolution, and know that I am meant to lead it.
> [snip rest of crap]
>
> idiot
>
> USSR, Khmer Rouge, Shining Path; Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam...
>
> Free men are free of taxation not free of income.
And that's why there have been so many tax-free countries! A vision
that it actually possible is better than one that's impossible.
Andrew Usher
Michael Gordge
> instead of "capitalism gone wild"
If only ewe commie fucking idiots would let it, like they the old
commies are now doing in Russia and China.
MG
Andrew Usher
> (First posted here: http://forums.youthrights.org/showthread.php?t=19651)
And again: http://forums.youthrights.org/showthread.php?t=19681
Arbitrary Power
This really should have been mentioned in my manifesto; it's something
I've been thinking about a long time and is really important. What is
the nature of power? I've never liked the anarchists' utopian dream
that we can eventually do without any power, but I strognly dislike
the use of power and I wish we could do with less of it. I think I've
identified the distinction between acceptable uses of power and
unacceptable ones. The criterion is what I call 'arbitrariness', which
I use in a somewhat narrower sense than normal, to indicate power that
can and will be used arbitrarily. The paradigm of arbitrary power to
me is the normal capitalist employer-employee relationship, while the
paradigm of non-arbitrary power is the criminal justice system as it
should be (of course, the way it really works, especially in today's
America, has considerable arbitrary elements).
The definition is this:
1. The people having the power are effectively strangers to those
subject to the power
2. There is no 'due process' for people punished through the power
3. There is no gradation of punishments; the most minor infraction can
result in the most serious penalty that can be imposed through the
power
If any power relationship meets the third and either the first or
second, it is called arbitrary; the converse definition applies to non-
arbitrary power. My thesis, therefore, is that arbitrary power should
everywhere be either abolished or made non-arbitrary. I use the word
rationalisation to indicate the process by which a power is made non-
arbitrary; this is an appropriate word because it really does mean the
application of reason to reduce the impact of the power.
This provides me a unified framework to analyse power. For instance, I
am bound to hate international borders unless the arbitrary power of
border security is rationalised. In the US (only), airports are even
worse in one way: that airport security can jail you more often than
can border security.
Remember that all of us agree on a criminal justice system that is
rationalised; why not, then, apply the same standard to all other uses
of power, which can be done through my definition?
Andrew Usher
Uncle Al
Andrew Usher wrote:
> What is
> the nature of power?
Aggrandizement, paranoia, application, abuse; corruption,
incompetence; revenge.
> I strognly dislike
> the use of power and I wish we could do with less of it.
Walk into Uncle Al's target reticle.
> 1. The people having the power are effectively strangers to those
> subject to the power
Hitler, Moussolini, Mao, Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt, North Korean
Kims, Saddamn Hussein... none of them hestitated to crush a city lest
they be inconvenienced.
> 2. There is no 'due process' for people punished through the power
Ever get a traffic citation, fool?
> 3. There is no gradation of punishments; the most minor infraction can
> result in the most serious penalty that can be imposed through the
> power
[snip rest of crap]
Fly out of an airport.
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/homesec.jpg
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> This provides me a unified framework to analyse power.
idiot
Zimbardo at Stanford, Milgram at Yale.
idiot
Strabo
Hark, tis the sound of weakness!
>
> This provides me a unified framework to analyse power.
>
> For instance, I
> am bound to hate international borders unless the arbitrary power of
> border security is rationalised. In the US (only), airports are even
> worse in one way: that airport security can jail you more often than
> can border security.
>
That's because every transportation hub in the US is a federal
enclave due to anti-terror laws and POWER.
>
> Remember that all of us agree on a criminal justice system that is
> rationalised; why not, then, apply the same standard to all other uses
> of power, which can be done through my definition?
>
Why not? Because enforcement will require lots of POWER and the
and the first casualties of this POWER will be amateur intellectuals.
An armed society is a polite society.
That's the only remedy to abuse of power.
>
> Andrew Usher
Andrew Usher
> "My thesis, therefore, is that arbitrary power should everywhere be
> either abolished or made non-arbitrary."
>
> Hark, tis the sound of weakness!
No, it's sensible given my analysis. Why are you obsessed with
'weakness' anyway?
> > This provides me a unified framework to analyse power.
> >
> > For instance, I
> > am bound to hate international borders unless the arbitrary power of
> > border security is rationalised. In the US (only), airports are even
> > worse in one way: that airport security can jail you more often than
> > can border security.
> >
>
> That's because every transportation hub in the US is a federal
> enclave due to anti-terror laws and POWER.
Then why don't other countries need to be as fascist? Oh yes, of
course, the US is 'unique', which is of course to say, unique in
unconditionally supporting Israel, because Jews sacrifice our freedom
for Israel's.
> > Remember that all of us agree on a criminal justice system that is
> > rationalised; why not, then, apply the same standard to all other uses
> > of power, which can be done through my definition?
>
> Why not? Because enforcement will require lots of POWER and the
> and the first casualties of this POWER will be amateur intellectuals.
You're completely ignoring the point.
> An armed society is a polite society.
>
> That's the only remedy to abuse of power.
Again, my definition prohibits the possibility. The unlimited use of
guns by people is certainly arbitrary!
Andrew Usher
hanson
> Strabo wrote:
>
Usher wrote:
In the US (only), airports are even worse in one way:
that airport security can jail you more often than
can border security.
>>
That's because every transportation hub in the US is a federal
enclave due to anti-terror laws and POWER.
>
Then why don't other countries need to be as fascist? Oh yes, of
course, the US is 'unique', which is of course to say, unique in
unconditionally supporting Israel, because Jews sacrifice our
freedom for Israel's.
>
...ahahahaha... Tell that to the Neocons, (Pentagon code for Jews)
who goaded Bush et. al. into starting the war in Iraq. Tell that to all
the JerUSAlem cockroaches, those US citizens whose first loyalty
belongs to the Holey Land instead of the USA, many of them being
twisted Evangelicals and almost all of them being AshkeNazis.
>
As long as the US electorate keeps voting Jews into elected office
and Congress, who then stuff the bureaucracies full of Jews... then
the US deserves any and all hardships and grief that befalls onto it...
including the hatred of the entire world, of which Obama just got
another taste sampling in Copenhagen (Olympic Select. Committee)...
>
The counter argument from the Zio side is of course that Israel is the
reluctant US vassal state, the proxy, which has to do the dirty work
for US interests in the Middle East.... for an annual fee/cost of
$16 Billion each year, from taxes extorted off the tables from poor
US families... just like OTOS, Iran happens to be the same for the
Russian/Chinese Interests there in the ME... "oye weh!"... "Trust me!"
..."Go figure!"... so, they say... .... ahahahaha... ahahahahanson
Strabo
> Strabo wrote:
>
>> "My thesis, therefore, is that arbitrary power should everywhere be
>> either abolished or made non-arbitrary."
>>
>> Hark, tis the sound of weakness!
>
> No, it's sensible given my analysis. Why are you obsessed with
> 'weakness' anyway?
>
To bring attention to a contradiction - it will take power to adversely
effect your 'arbitrary power'.
Where does that remedial power come from, who wields it and why?
And your analysis contradicts a basic law - power cannot be created
or destroyed.
>
>>> This provides me a unified framework to analyse power.
>> >
>> > For instance, I
>>> am bound to hate international borders unless the arbitrary power of
>>> border security is rationalised. In the US (only), airports are even
>>> worse in one way: that airport security can jail you more often than
>>> can border security.
>>>
>> That's because every transportation hub in the US is a federal
>> enclave due to anti-terror laws and POWER.
>
> Then why don't other countries need to be as fascist? Oh yes, of
> course, the US is 'unique', which is of course to say, unique in
> unconditionally supporting Israel, because Jews sacrifice our freedom
> for Israel's.
>
>>> Remember that all of us agree on a criminal justice system that is
>>> rationalised; why not, then, apply the same standard to all other uses
>>> of power, which can be done through my definition?
>> Why not? Because enforcement will require lots of POWER and the
>> and the first casualties of this POWER will be amateur intellectuals.
>
> You're completely ignoring the point.
>
>> An armed society is a polite society.
>>
>> That's the only remedy to abuse of power.
>
> Again, my definition prohibits the possibility. The unlimited use of
> guns by people is certainly arbitrary!
>
To use a legal analog, no law ever *prevented* a crime. Instead you make
the undesirable application of power prohibitively expensive.
If you want to dispel the mass misuse of power you'll want to
decentralize power.
An armed society is a polite society.
>
> Andrew Usher
Andrew Usher
> To bring attention to a contradiction - it will take power to adversely
> effect your 'arbitrary power'.
>
> Where does that remedial power come from, who wields it and why?
Mostly, the government. But the point is that government power can be
rationalised more easily than private power can.
> And your analysis contradicts a basic law - power cannot be created
> or destroyed.
That's not a law of nature. Anyway, I don't claim that power can be
abolished entirely, which is why I reject anarchy.
> > Again, my definition prohibits the possibility. The unlimited use of
> > guns by people is certainly arbitrary!
>
> To use a legal analog, no law ever *prevented* a crime. Instead you make
> the undesirable application of power prohibitively expensive.
You're right, technically. But so what? How would use of guns prevent
the kind of power I'm discussing?
> If you want to dispel the mass misuse of power you'll want to
> decentralize power.
That can't be done. We will always have a State, or something worse.
> An armed society is a polite society.
An armed society is a hypocritical society. (It makes just as much
sense.)
Andrew Usher