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TheFerryman

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Apr 27, 2004, 8:42:18 AM4/27/04
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Am I correct in thinking that velocity and acceleration are vector
quantities?

thankyou

Timo Voipio

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Apr 27, 2004, 9:13:32 AM4/27/04
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TheFerryman wrote:
> Am I correct in thinking that velocity and acceleration are vector
> quantities?

Yes you are.

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Uncle Al

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Apr 27, 2004, 11:12:03 AM4/27/04
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TheFerryman wrote:
>
> Am I correct in thinking that velocity and acceleration are vector
> quantities?

Both quantities contain both direction and magnitude. They are
vectors.

<html>
<HEAD><TITLE>The Time Derivatives of Distance</TITLE></HEAD>
<BODY>
<!-- http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm -->
<DIV ALIGN="center">
<TABLE BORDER="1" BORDERCOLOR="black" RULES="all" FRAME="box">
<caption><B>The Time Derivatives of Distance</B></caption>
<tr>
<th>Derivative</th><th>Name</th><th>times Mass</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<TD COLSPAN="3"></TD>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td>0th</td><td>position</td><td>mass</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td>1st</td><td>velocity</td><td>momentum</td>
</tr>
<tr align=center>
<td>2nd</td><td>acceleration</td><td>force</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td >3rd</td><td>jerk</td><td>yank</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td>4th</td><td>snap</td><td>tug</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td>5th</td><td>crackle</td><td>snatch</td>
</tr>
<tr align="center">
<td>6th</td><td>pop</td><td>shake</td>
</tr>
</table>
</DIV>
</BODY>
</HTML>

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mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu

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Apr 27, 2004, 3:50:29 PM4/27/04
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In article <l4ls80581iq7cjd32...@4ax.com>, TheFerryman <fe...@onthenet.com> writes:
>Am I correct in thinking that velocity and acceleration are vector
>quantities?
>
Yes.

Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
me...@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"

Sam Wormley

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Apr 27, 2004, 5:16:51 PM4/27/04
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TheFerryman wrote:
>
> Am I correct in thinking that velocity and acceleration are vector
> quantities?
>

Vectors indeed!
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Velocity.html
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Acceleration.html

John Schoenfeld

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Apr 27, 2004, 11:00:27 PM4/27/04
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Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message:

> TheFerryman wrote:
> >
> > Am I correct in thinking that velocity and acceleration are vector
> > quantities?
>
> Both quantities contain both direction and magnitude. They are
> vectors.
>
> [Converted Uncle Al's HTML to Text]
> [Original at: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=408E7843.27B90AD8%40hate.spam.net]

>
> The Time Derivatives of Distance
> Derivative Name times Mass
> 0th position mass
> 1st velocity momentum
> 2nd acceleration force
> 3rd jerk yank
> 4th snap tug
> 5th crackle snatch
> 6th pop shake

Wrong.

Your table should read:


The Time Derivatives of Distance

Derivative Name times Mass
0th distance distance * mass
1st speed +/- |momentum|
2nd +/- |acceleration| +/- |Force|
3rd +/- |jerk| +/- |yank|
4th +/- |snap| +/- |tug|
5th +/- |crackle| +/- |snatch|
6th +/- |pop| +/- |shake|

or the title should be changed to "The Time Derivatives of
Displacement" and the 0th derivative changed "Displacement
Displacement * mass".

Based on this elementary error alone, we can assume that you and all
of your other works are equally fallacy riddled and transitively
wrong. It's a pitty Dirk is too corrupt to put you and your grade
school mistakes up on his website.

Bill Vajk

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Apr 27, 2004, 11:31:32 PM4/27/04
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John Schoenfeld wrote:

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> Based on this elementary error alone, we can assume that you and all
> of your other works are equally fallacy riddled and transitively
> wrong. It's a pitty Dirk is too corrupt to put you and your grade
> school mistakes up on his website.

Dirk isn't so much corrupt as he is ignorant. Why else
do you suppose he has to go to such extremes to make his
life worth living?

Dirk Bruere at Neopax

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Apr 28, 2004, 1:25:05 AM4/28/04
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And which Dirk would that be?

--
Dirk

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The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

Franz Heymann

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Apr 28, 2004, 1:51:58 AM4/28/04
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"Bill Vajk" <bill9...@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message
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From which it seems that you are rather miffed at being represented in
Dirk's menagerie.

Franz
>
>
>


Michael Varney

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Apr 28, 2004, 4:49:45 AM4/28/04
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"TheFerryman" <fe...@onthenet.com> wrote in message
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> Am I correct in thinking that velocity and acceleration are vector
> quantities?

They are described as vector quantities.


Michael Varney

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Apr 28, 2004, 4:50:38 AM4/28/04
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"John Schoenfeld" <j.scho...@programmer.net> wrote in message
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<SNIP>

Idiot.


Michael Varney

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Apr 28, 2004, 4:50:59 AM4/28/04
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"Bill Vajk" <bill9...@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message
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Idiot.


Michael Varney

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Apr 28, 2004, 4:52:41 AM4/28/04
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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And the funny thing is that Vajk the Vacuous has only one entry. Most of
Vajk's errors are so stupid they are not even worth including in Dirk's
menagerie.


Bill Vajk

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Apr 28, 2004, 9:32:03 AM4/28/04
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Franz Heymann wrote:

>>John Schoenfeld wrote:

>>snip


As if your opinion about anything mattered.


Uncle Al

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Apr 28, 2004, 9:46:43 AM4/28/04
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The table is correct as stated, you hopeless jackass. Tell us again
how a microwave oven that is on is indistinguishable from one that is
off.

Robert J. Kolker

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Apr 28, 2004, 10:02:35 AM4/28/04
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Uncle Al wrote:

>
> The table is correct as stated, you hopeless jackass. Tell us again
> how a microwave oven that is on is indistinguishable from one that is
> off.

The cup of coffe you left in the MWO still in the off state is unlikely
to warm up.

Bob Kolker

Grey Knight

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Apr 28, 2004, 10:45:24 AM4/28/04
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TheFerryman <fe...@onthenet.com> wrote in message news:<l4ls80581iq7cjd32...@4ax.com>...
> Am I correct in thinking that velocity and acceleration are vector
> quantities?

Last time I checked.

> thankyou

No, no; thank YOU! Makes a pleasant change from the usual quality of discussion...

Michael Varney

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Apr 28, 2004, 11:26:02 AM4/28/04
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"Bill Vajk" <bill9...@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message
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Quit pouting, Vajk. And I am sure many have told you that you act very
childish, even though you are in your 70's.


Sam Wormley

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Apr 28, 2004, 12:45:49 PM4/28/04
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Michael Varney wrote:
>
>
> Quit pouting, Vajk. And I am sure many have told you that you act very
> childish, even though you are in your 70's.

From his postings, one gets the impression that Vajk is also bitter
and angry... never conveys the joy of learning physical insight. Just
one of the many cranky trolls infesting USENET.

Bill Vajk

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Apr 28, 2004, 2:10:44 PM4/28/04
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Sam Wormley wrote:

> Michael Varney wrote:

The wolfpack is back in session, are you?

Michael Varney

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Apr 28, 2004, 8:52:32 PM4/28/04
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"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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> Michael Varney wrote:
> >
> >
> > Quit pouting, Vajk. And I am sure many have told you that you act very
> > childish, even though you are in your 70's.
>
> From his postings, one gets the impression that Vajk is also bitter
> and angry... never conveys the joy of learning physical insight.

He is very bitter and angry, and attacks those who have the good fortune of
experiencing the joy of learning.
You see, Vajk cannot convey the joy of learning physical insight because he
has failed in his attempts at learning.
He hangs out at rec.org.mensa sucking up to the posters there because it
makes him feel as if he is experiencing critical thinking first hand. That
is why he is a groupie... he cannot achieve things on his own, so he basks
in the reflected glory of others until his bitterness gets the better of
him, then he attacks.


> Just
> one of the many cranky trolls infesting USENET.

Yup. A very verbose cranky troll who, like Peter Brown, George Hammond,
Pluto, and James Harris decide to cause people trouble by emailing whining
letters to the colleagues of those they envy.


Michael Varney

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Apr 28, 2004, 8:55:08 PM4/28/04
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"Bill Vajk" <bill9...@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message
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You are a bonehead Vajk. You hit a hornets nest with a stick and then
become indignant when they swarm.
You are a pile of tepid shit, yet you express indignation when the flies
gather and people try to flush you.
You piss in our yard and get indignant when we rub your face in it.
You are pathetic, Vajk. Hurry up and expire.


Uncle Al

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Apr 28, 2004, 10:59:27 PM4/28/04
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Michael Varney wrote:
>
> "Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:408FDFB9...@mchsi.com...
> > Michael Varney wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Quit pouting, Vajk. And I am sure many have told you that you act very
> > > childish, even though you are in your 70's.
> >
> > From his postings, one gets the impression that Vajk is also bitter
> > and angry... never conveys the joy of learning physical insight.
>
> He is very bitter and angry, and attacks those who have the good fortune of
> experiencing the joy of learning.
> You see, Vajk cannot convey the joy of learning physical insight because he
> has failed in his attempts at learning.
> He hangs out at rec.org.mensa sucking up to the posters there because it
> makes him feel as if he is experiencing critical thinking first hand. That
> is why he is a groupie... he cannot achieve things on his own, so he basks
> in the reflected glory of others until his bitterness gets the better of
> him, then he attacks.

{snip]

Vajk is Uncle Al's bitch. Eunuch for rent! Get your capon! Scrape
off the brown and send Vajk around for another wipe. Vajk, Vajk, Vajk
- immaculate of literature citations, bereft of URLs, wholly innocent
of any retained formal instruction. Vajk is what Dartmouth University
could graduate if it abandoned its last pretense and thin facade of
academic qualification to fully embrace diversity and empowerment.
Imagine a party school filled with matriculants too stooopid to chug.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
(Do something naughty to physics)

Bill Vajk

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Apr 28, 2004, 11:48:43 PM4/28/04
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Knuckle Dragging Schwartz opined:

> Vajk is ....

<snip nonsense>

The distribution is primarily in the sci.* hierarchy. You post
bluster and nonsense when you attempt to post science, and the
rest of the time it is tourettish outbursts. Even Varney, as
twisted and childish as he is, abandoned your cause today.

Tell us once again how zero absorption means zero refractive
index Al. That's the most recent blunder I called you on, and
you're still mad at me for pointing that one out.

Message-ID: <4088336A...@hate.spam.net>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4088336A.C865F7B5%40hate.spam.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

How about your infamous "diamond" project, Al? Where are the
diamonds you were supposed to have fabricated in 2001?

"Uncle Al has proposed a direct chemical synthesis of
single crystal diamond of arbitrary size, deposition
of 1 carat/cm^2-hr at ambient pressure. The first
run showed deficiencies in the chemical understanding,
which lead to Devil Solvent and Devil Solvent II in
the second run of experiments. That controlled the
chemistry - no graphite! - but there were material
engineering problems ("Alien,"when the little darling
bleeds). We have the third and final attempt budgeted
and scheduled for 2001.

On 31 Dec 2003 you wrote:

"We have a new blank reactor head in hand and it seals
to the old body. It gets drilled and welded in January,
we shake down for leaks in a dry run, then we go for it. "

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3FF30D6B.D1FC221D%40hate.spam.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

While back in 2000 you had predicted:

"Uncle Al has reason to believe that gem diamond can be
kinetically chemically synthesized to arbitrarily large
size at a rate of one carat/cm^2-hr using a rather nasty
molten salt reaction medium christened Devil Solvent and
some awesomely clever reaction subtleties building on CVD
diamond and Brad Pate's insights. Two attempts to date
have underlined procedural problems (re "molecular acid"
in "Alien"). The Big Kahuna is scheduled for next year.
If I can find a gas-tight 1/2" coupling that uncouples
after 12 hrs at 700 C, I'm in business.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3A4151EA.3C5B5009%40hate.spam.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain


Al, your tourettish outbursts do nothing to compensate your
repetitive displays of ignorance in subjects in which you
present yourself as competent. I don't know how anyone else
feels about it but for me, quite frankly, they're boringly
repetitive nonsense little different from your blather about
how you're going to manufacture diamonds and how you're
going to get a Nobel for disproving the Equivalence Principle.

None of it is true even though you appear to believe every
word goes from your mind to God's mouth. I almost hate to
break it to you, but it just hasn't been working out that
way and chances are really good that it never will.

John Schoenfeld

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Apr 29, 2004, 12:11:46 AM4/29/04
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Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<408FB5C3...@hate.spam.net>...

You stated the 1st time derivative of distance was velocity, and went
further to state that that distance * mass = mass. And then you say
"the table is correct as stated" Ha Ha Ha.

> Tell us again
> how a microwave oven that is on is indistinguishable from one that is
> off.

Try thinking before babbling.

John Schoenfeld

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Apr 29, 2004, 1:50:25 AM4/29/04
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Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<40906F8F...@hate.spam.net>...

If ignorance were a disability, you'd get the full pension.

John Schoenfeld

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Apr 29, 2004, 1:54:42 AM4/29/04
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"Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote:
[snip crap]

I heard your brother was an only child, no wonder.

These Gremlins Grammaticus, Forever and Anon

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Apr 29, 2004, 9:52:05 AM4/29/04
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Ain't it a tragedy! And he did so want to be everyone's old Uncle Einstein.

Keith Michaels

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Apr 29, 2004, 11:47:35 AM4/29/04
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In article <40906F8F...@hate.spam.net>,

Our own O'Reilly and Franken! Except we have two O'Reilly's.. :-(

Alfred Einstead

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Apr 29, 2004, 12:14:05 PM4/29/04
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TheFerryman <fe...@onthenet.com> wrote:
> Am I correct in thinking that velocity and acceleration are vector
> quantities?

Velocity is a vector. Acceleration is a vector ... except in
curved spacetimes. The technical issues related to the latter
are properly the subject matter of differential geometry and
the study of manifolds.

Bill Vajk

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Apr 29, 2004, 1:19:52 PM4/29/04
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Keith Michaels wrote:

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> |> --
> |> Uncle Al
> |> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
> |> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm
> |> (Do something naughty to physics)
>
> Our own O'Reilly and Franken! Except we have two O'Reilly's.. :-(

Actually no. You have a pinhead and then you have me. LOL

Bill Vajk

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Apr 29, 2004, 1:39:03 PM4/29/04
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These Gremlins Grammaticus, Forever and Anon wrote:

> Ain't it a tragedy! And he did so want to be everyone's old Uncle Einstein.

I haven't heard any reports of public nastiness on the
part of Einstein. He certainly seemed innocuous shopping
on Nassau Street when I was a child. But that's one of
the many differencec between the competent and those who
are not.

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