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The Starmaker
May 20, 2012, 6:00:30 PM5/20/12
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There is Life on other planets.
Everyone in the 'scientific community' repeat after me...
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
go on..
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
All together now..
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
Nevermind that there is not
a single shred of evidence that Life exist elsewhere.
Nevermind that there is no
proof that Life exist elsewhere.
This could happen any day soon..
This could happen any day soon..
This could happen any day soon..
You must continue the Faith
You must continue the belief
Gather together and hold hands
and repeat:
"There's a ship coming"
"There's a ship coming"
"There's a ship coming"
And in that ship will be...your Salvation.
So, nevermind that there is not
a single shred of evidence that Life exist elsewhere.
Continue your search for Life elsewhere..even if you haven't even
figured out what "Life" is...or even defined it..
You must continue to have..Faith.
I will die for you so that you can have the freedom to practice your...religion.
There is Life on other planets. You don't need proof or evidence, just have faith.
"There's a ship coming...This could happen any day soon"
And in that ship will be...your Salvation.
In Los Angeles call (323) 302-9912 to send your donations to
The Starmaker Cosmic Ministry
In New York call (646) 480-6649
Everyone in the 'scientific community' repeat after me...
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
go on..
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
All together now..
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
Nevermind that there is not
a single shred of evidence that Life exist elsewhere.
Nevermind that there is no
proof that Life exist elsewhere.
This could happen any day soon..
This could happen any day soon..
This could happen any day soon..
You must continue the Faith
You must continue the belief
Gather together and hold hands
and repeat:
"There's a ship coming"
"There's a ship coming"
"There's a ship coming"
And in that ship will be...your Salvation.
So, nevermind that there is not
a single shred of evidence that Life exist elsewhere.
Continue your search for Life elsewhere..even if you haven't even
figured out what "Life" is...or even defined it..
You must continue to have..Faith.
I will die for you so that you can have the freedom to practice your...religion.
There is Life on other planets. You don't need proof or evidence, just have faith.
"There's a ship coming...This could happen any day soon"
And in that ship will be...your Salvation.
In Los Angeles call (323) 302-9912 to send your donations to
The Starmaker Cosmic Ministry
In New York call (646) 480-6649
Wayne Throop
May 20, 2012, 6:19:27 PM5/20/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: Everyone in the 'scientific community' repeat after me...
: Nevermind that there is no
life elsewhere? Why should anybody isnore that? Scientists don't.
: You must continue to have..Faith.
I'll just wait for the evidence, like most scientists do.
: Everyone in the 'scientific community' repeat after me...
:
: There is Life on other planets
: There is Life on other planets
: There is Life on other planets
Why should anybody repeat that? Do you have evidence that there is?
: There is Life on other planets
: There is Life on other planets
: There is Life on other planets
: Nevermind that there is no
: proof that Life exist elsewhere.
So... you would like people to ignore that there's no evidence of
life elsewhere? Why should anybody isnore that? Scientists don't.
: You must continue to have..Faith.
I'll just wait for the evidence, like most scientists do.
The Starmaker
May 20, 2012, 6:56:51 PM5/20/12
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Wayne Throop
May 20, 2012, 7:25:41 PM5/20/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: This could happen any day soon..
Do you have any evidence that it *will*?
Or for that matter, that it won't?
Or do you just have faith that it won't?
: This could happen any day soon..
: This could happen any day soon..
: This could happen any day soon..
Lots of things *coild* happen.
: This could happen any day soon..
Do you have any evidence that it *will*?
Or for that matter, that it won't?
Or do you just have faith that it won't?
The Starmaker
May 20, 2012, 8:10:28 PM5/20/12
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Wayne Throop wrote:
>
> : The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
> : This could happen any day soon..
> : This could happen any day soon..
> : This could happen any day soon..
>
> Lots of things *could* happen.
>
> : The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
> : This could happen any day soon..
> : This could happen any day soon..
> : This could happen any day soon..
>
> Do you have any evidence that it *will*?
> Or for that matter, that it won't?
> Or do you just have faith that it won't?
How many years have people on earth been waiting, 200000 years?
> Or for that matter, that it won't?
> Or do you just have faith that it won't?
This could happen any day soon..
Have Faith.
It's all you got..
The Starmaker
Wayne Throop
May 20, 2012, 8:23:09 PM5/20/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: Just wait for the evidence, like most scientists do.
:
: Have Faith.
Why should I have faith? I wait for evidence so I don't have
to have faith. This "faith" stuff seems more like your schtick.
: Just wait for the evidence, like most scientists do.
:
: Have Faith.
Why should I have faith? I wait for evidence so I don't have
to have faith. This "faith" stuff seems more like your schtick.
bjacoby
May 21, 2012, 12:29:53 AM5/21/12
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On 5/20/2012 6:56 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
psychiatrist SOON!
> Wayne Throop wrote:
>> I'll just wait for the evidence, like most scientists do.
> This could happen any day soon..
> This could happen any day soon..
> This could happen any day soon..
Obviously low on meds. Reminder: Make an appointment with your
>> I'll just wait for the evidence, like most scientists do.
> This could happen any day soon..
> This could happen any day soon..
> This could happen any day soon..
psychiatrist SOON!
The Starmaker
May 21, 2012, 2:34:48 AM5/21/12
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Faith is the belief that something is true, real, or will happen.
Waiting for the evidence is just like waiting for Jesus Christ to return.
No proof, no evidence...just the belief that there is Life on other planets,
and the proof could come any day soon..
cosmic religion.
Two hundred thousand years have passed since people existed, and
still no proof, no evidence that there is Life on other planets.
Yet...you Wayne continue to wait for the evidence?
Faith is all you have.
The Starmaker
The scientist are your Salvation. Faith is the belief without evidence.
Just repeat after me:
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
There is Life on other planets
Have Faith.
Wayne Throop
May 21, 2012, 9:42:41 AM5/21/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: Waiting for the evidence is just like waiting for Jesus Christ to return.
Maybe the way you do it, but if so, you're doing it wrong.
Waiting for Christ assumes there is a Christ, and that "he'll be bach"
like Schwarzenegger. Waiting for evidence doesn't assume there is any,
it merely means not making a conclusion without it. Note that
hypothetical statements aren't conclusions.
: Waiting for the evidence is just like waiting for Jesus Christ to return.
Maybe the way you do it, but if so, you're doing it wrong.
Waiting for Christ assumes there is a Christ, and that "he'll be bach"
like Schwarzenegger. Waiting for evidence doesn't assume there is any,
it merely means not making a conclusion without it. Note that
hypothetical statements aren't conclusions.
The Starmaker
May 21, 2012, 4:41:10 PM5/21/12
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Wayne Throop wrote:
>
> : The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
> : Waiting for the evidence is just like waiting for Jesus Christ to return.
>
> Maybe the way you do it,
No, it's the way You do it.
>
> : The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
> : Waiting for the evidence is just like waiting for Jesus Christ to return.
>
> Maybe the way you do it,
You waiting just like everyone else...for the last 200000 years.
You're probably thinking your alien friends on another planet
are siting at home watching TV...or going outside to play...baseball
now.
The Starmaker
May 21, 2012, 5:03:17 PM5/21/12
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going to invite them to your house and show them your collection of Mozart records?
You're going to lie to them and say, "This is what we listen to on Earth."
They are going to look at your wife and say "I want some of that!"
The Starmaker
bjacoby
May 21, 2012, 6:03:15 PM5/21/12
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On 5/21/2012 5:03 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
them that, "Starmaker", serves no useful human purpose here if they'd
like to experiment with recipes. Hopefully they'll be thankful.
> The Starmaker wrote:
> What are you going to do when your alien friends from another planet come? Are you
> going to invite them to your house and show them your collection of Mozart records?
>
> You're going to lie to them and say, "This is what we listen to on Earth."
>
> They are going to look at your wife and say "I want some of that!"
>
> The Starmaker
Hopefully they won't be vegetarians and we can point to you and tell
> What are you going to do when your alien friends from another planet come? Are you
> going to invite them to your house and show them your collection of Mozart records?
>
> You're going to lie to them and say, "This is what we listen to on Earth."
>
> They are going to look at your wife and say "I want some of that!"
>
> The Starmaker
them that, "Starmaker", serves no useful human purpose here if they'd
like to experiment with recipes. Hopefully they'll be thankful.
Wayne Throop
May 21, 2012, 7:10:36 PM5/21/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: You're probably thinking your alien friends on another planet
Haven't got any friends on another planet.
If I did, I wouldn't be waiting for evidence, now would I?
You might at least pretend to remain consistent.
: You're probably thinking your alien friends on another planet
Haven't got any friends on another planet.
If I did, I wouldn't be waiting for evidence, now would I?
You might at least pretend to remain consistent.
Wayne Throop
May 21, 2012, 7:12:35 PM5/21/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: What are you going to do when your alien friends from another planet
it would depend entirely on what would hypothetically have made us
friends. Mozart is unlikely.
: You're going to lie to them and say, "This is what we listen to on
: Earth."
I can't think of *any* hypothetical circumstance where I'd say that.
Seriously, what could *possibly* make me want to say such a bizarre thing?
: They are going to look at your wife and say "I want some of that!"
That would hypothetically be up to her. I suspect she'd quickly
become un-friends with them. She doesn't much go for the objectification
thing. But hey, if that's what gets *you* off, good luck with it,
and enjoy your newest nadir of waste-of-oxygen-hood.
: What are you going to do when your alien friends from another planet
: come? Are you going to invite them to your house and show them your
: collection of Mozart records?
Since these are entirely hypothetical friends of your own invention,
: collection of Mozart records?
it would depend entirely on what would hypothetically have made us
friends. Mozart is unlikely.
: You're going to lie to them and say, "This is what we listen to on
: Earth."
I can't think of *any* hypothetical circumstance where I'd say that.
Seriously, what could *possibly* make me want to say such a bizarre thing?
: They are going to look at your wife and say "I want some of that!"
That would hypothetically be up to her. I suspect she'd quickly
become un-friends with them. She doesn't much go for the objectification
thing. But hey, if that's what gets *you* off, good luck with it,
and enjoy your newest nadir of waste-of-oxygen-hood.
alie...@gmail.com
May 21, 2012, 10:01:43 PM5/21/12
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On May 21, 4:12 pm, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
Mark L. Fergerson
> : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> : What are you going to do when your alien friends from another planet
> : come? Are you going to invite them to your house and show them your
> : collection of Mozart records?
>
> Since these are entirely hypothetical friends of your own invention,
> it would depend entirely on what would hypothetically have made us
> friends. Mozart is unlikely.
Might try Bach.
> : come? Are you going to invite them to your house and show them your
> : collection of Mozart records?
>
> Since these are entirely hypothetical friends of your own invention,
> it would depend entirely on what would hypothetically have made us
> friends. Mozart is unlikely.
Mark L. Fergerson
The Starmaker
May 22, 2012, 1:33:46 PM5/22/12
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The Starmaker
May 22, 2012, 2:48:04 PM5/22/12
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you people in the 'scientific community'...
chanting
"The evidence is coming"
"The evidence is coming"
"The evidence is coming"
is no different from
"There's a ship coming"
"There's a ship coming"
"There's a ship coming"
isn't Scien-tology
founded on
"There's a ship coming"
"There's a ship coming"
"There's a ship coming"
You think
Because
You're here...Now
Makes you something Special?
Because
just because
You're here Now?
I'll save you time...
There is No Life on other planets.
There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
Your search for Life is just a religious belief...no
proof, no evidence, just faith.
You
Being
Here
Now
is not going to change anything.
Faith, is the same word for Theory.
The Starmaker
I don't see the difference
with a Christan sign that reads
"Jesus Is Coming"
"Jesus Is Coming"
"Jesus Is Coming"
and a Scientist with a sign that reads:
"The Evidence Is Coming"
"The Evidence Is Coming"
"The Evidence Is Coming"
You both look like to me like religious fanatics.
Faith, is the same word for Theory.
alie...@gmail.com
May 22, 2012, 11:20:53 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 11:48 am, The Starfaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> I mean really....
> you people in the 'scientific community'...
> chanting
> "The evidence is coming"
> "The evidence is coming"
> "The evidence is coming"
No scientist says that.
> I mean really....
> you people in the 'scientific community'...
> chanting
> "The evidence is coming"
> "The evidence is coming"
> "The evidence is coming"
> is no different from
>
> "There's a ship coming"
> "There's a ship coming"
> "There's a ship coming"
> I mean...
> isn't Scien-tology
> founded on
>
> "There's a ship coming"
> "There's a ship coming"
> "There's a ship coming"
> You're been waiting two hundred thousand years..
>
> You think
> Because
> You're here...Now
> Makes you something Special?
time is "special".
> Because
> just because
> You're here Now?
>
> I'll save you time...
>
> There is No Life on other planets.
> There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
Oh, right, you have none.
> Your search for Life is just a religious belief...no
> proof, no evidence, just faith.
> You
> Being
> Here
> Now
> is not going to change anything.
Oh, right, you have none.
> Faith, is the same word for Theory.
> I don't see the difference
> with a Christan sign that reads
> "Jesus Is Coming"
> "Jesus Is Coming"
> "Jesus Is Coming"
>
> and a Scientist with a sign that reads:
> "The Evidence Is Coming"
> "The Evidence Is Coming"
> "The Evidence Is Coming"
No scientist says that. What scientists *actually* say is "there
might be evidence, so why not look for it?".
Sounds to me like you're TERRIFIED evidence might be found and want
any and all searches for it stopped RIGHT NOW before something awful
happens.
What are you so afraid of?
> You both look like to me like religious fanatics.
is just like you.
>
> Faith, is the same word for Theory.
Complete nonsense, even for you.
> Faith, is the same word for Theory.
Theories are designed to be tested; the idea is to see what evidence
a theory *predicts* that could support it *or falsify it*, then go
look for *both* of those kinds of evidence. Generally, scientists look
for the falsifying sort first, to determine if the theory is worth
further time.
Faith, like YOUR faith that no life exists anywhere but Earth, has
no truck with any sort of evidence.
Mark L. Fergerson
bjacoby
May 23, 2012, 4:14:54 AM5/23/12
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On 5/22/2012 1:33 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> bjacoby wrote:
>> Hopefully they won't be vegetarians and we can point to you and tell
>> them that, "Starmaker", serves no useful human purpose here if they'd
>> like to experiment with recipes. Hopefully they'll be thankful.
> Biology is not a universal law.
And obviously, neither is intelligence.
>> Hopefully they won't be vegetarians and we can point to you and tell
>> them that, "Starmaker", serves no useful human purpose here if they'd
>> like to experiment with recipes. Hopefully they'll be thankful.
> Biology is not a universal law.
The Starmaker
May 23, 2012, 1:07:39 PM5/23/12
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doesn't exist on earth. Can
you point it any evidence here on earth?
Walter Bushell
May 23, 2012, 1:16:25 PM5/23/12
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In article <4FBD19...@ix.netcom.com>,
There is a couple living more or less in seclusion in a gated
community on Maui that qualifies.
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community on Maui that qualifies.
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The Starmaker
May 23, 2012, 1:20:04 PM5/23/12
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I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style.
Just take Earth
out of the equation..
remove the Earth
and what do you got?
Nothing to search for.
The Starmaker
Just take Earth
out of the equation..
remove the Earth
and what do you got?
Nothing to search for.
The Starmaker
The Starmaker
May 23, 2012, 1:24:10 PM5/23/12
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Walter Bushell wrote:
>
> In article <4FBD19...@ix.netcom.com>,
> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > bjacoby wrote:
> > >
> > > On 5/22/2012 1:33 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > bjacoby wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Hopefully they won't be vegetarians and we can point to you and tell
> > > >> them that, "Starmaker", serves no useful human purpose here if they'd
> > > >> like to experiment with recipes. Hopefully they'll be thankful.
> > >
> > > > Biology is not a universal law.
> > >
> > > And obviously, neither is intelligence.
> >
> >
> > I don't see any evidence of 'intelligence' anywhere...certaintly it
> > doesn't exist on earth. Can
> > you point to any evidence here on earth?
>
> In article <4FBD19...@ix.netcom.com>,
> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > bjacoby wrote:
> > >
> > > On 5/22/2012 1:33 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > bjacoby wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Hopefully they won't be vegetarians and we can point to you and tell
> > > >> them that, "Starmaker", serves no useful human purpose here if they'd
> > > >> like to experiment with recipes. Hopefully they'll be thankful.
> > >
> > > > Biology is not a universal law.
> > >
> > > And obviously, neither is intelligence.
> >
> >
> > I don't see any evidence of 'intelligence' anywhere...certaintly it
> > doesn't exist on earth. Can
>
> There is a couple living more or less in seclusion in a gated
> community on Maui that qualifies.
>
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Why is it gated?
> There is a couple living more or less in seclusion in a gated
> community on Maui that qualifies.
>
> --
> This space unintentionally left blank.
Walter Bushell
May 23, 2012, 1:32:39 PM5/23/12
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Bill Snyder
May 23, 2012, 1:54:09 PM5/23/12
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On Wed, 23 May 2012 13:32:39 -0400, Walter Bushell
<pr...@panix.com> wrote:
[to the starfaker]
>To keep you out.
Oh, wait, I know that one, Alex! It's "Why do we have immigration
laws," right?
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
<pr...@panix.com> wrote:
[to the starfaker]
>To keep you out.
Oh, wait, I know that one, Alex! It's "Why do we have immigration
laws," right?
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
The Starmaker
May 23, 2012, 1:55:49 PM5/23/12
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it's not so intelligent...gates never stop me.
You just climb over a gate!
The Starmaker
I climbed over fences as tall as buildings..I learned from watching
the movie "West Side Story"..
The Starmaker
May 23, 2012, 2:15:55 PM5/23/12
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they should go to the gated community in Maui and meet...Pablo Escobar.
The Starmaker
or maybe...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204468004577169151385594744.html
The Starmaker
May 23, 2012, 3:19:07 PM5/23/12
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alie...@gmail.com
May 23, 2012, 9:07:46 PM5/23/12
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On May 23, 10:20 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style.
>
> Just take Earth
> out of the equation..
> remove the Earth
> and what do you got?
>
> Nothing to search for.
So, you got nothing. Not surprising.
> I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style.
>
> Just take Earth
> out of the equation..
> remove the Earth
> and what do you got?
>
> Nothing to search for.
Mark L. Fergerson
norrin
May 24, 2012, 11:15:12 AM5/24/12
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On May 20, 3:00 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> There is Life on other planets.
>
> Everyone in the 'scientific community' repeat after me...
>
> There is Life on other planets
> There is Life on other planets
> There is Life on other planets
What is this Life you speak of but don't have?
> There is Life on other planets.
>
> Everyone in the 'scientific community' repeat after me...
>
> There is Life on other planets
> There is Life on other planets
> There is Life on other planets
The 'scientific community' say that there is no non-viral
carbon-based life on the other planets of the Solar System
but doesn't rule out the possibility of extremophiles on
the moons of Jupiter and elsewhere.
The extremophiles might say cyanobacteria is murder.
Walter Bushell
May 24, 2012, 11:59:34 AM5/24/12
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In article
<b2202920-f3a8-4b6e...@l10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
This features in a Niven story where a Chirpsithra talks about the
gentle philosophical pre oxygen life forms that were wiped out by
the green scum which spread faster than they could wipe it out. The
chirpsithra was not that old it had spent the best part of it's life
traveling the galaxy at close to the speed of light, although markedly
different from the rest of the Chirpsithras.
<b2202920-f3a8-4b6e...@l10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>,
gentle philosophical pre oxygen life forms that were wiped out by
the green scum which spread faster than they could wipe it out. The
chirpsithra was not that old it had spent the best part of it's life
traveling the galaxy at close to the speed of light, although markedly
different from the rest of the Chirpsithras.
The Starmaker
May 24, 2012, 12:52:33 PM5/24/12
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You take the Earth out..
you got nothing.
There is No Life on other planets.
There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
There are no other Earths.
Just a bunch of balls on fire and rocks everywhere.
A lot of stuff for..for nothing.
Unless of course, Mr. Mark El Fergerson.. you
can explain to me what is all that stuff out there ...for?
And don't 'hide' behind words like.."The evidence is coming in.."
I'm hip to all your cons.
The Starmaker
Wayne Throop
May 24, 2012, 12:57:49 PM5/24/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: There is No Life on other planets. There is No Life anywhere else in
Oh, you're one of those who pretend absense of evidence of X
is proof of absense of X. Well, good luck with that.
: There is No Life on other planets. There is No Life anywhere else in
: the universe. There is No aliens anywhere else in the universe.
And the evidence for this is what?
Oh, you're one of those who pretend absense of evidence of X
is proof of absense of X. Well, good luck with that.
The Starmaker
May 24, 2012, 3:46:47 PM5/24/12
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"it is just around the corner; you can almost taste it."
"it's just around the corner; you can almost taste it."
"it's just around the corner."
"it's just around the corner."
"it's just around the corner."
The evidence is coming in...it's just around the corner; you can almost taste it.
You people are just a bunch of cosmic religious fanatics!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9286770/Alien-hunter-Jill-Tarter-retires.html
The Starmaker
Wayne Throop
May 24, 2012, 4:30:43 PM5/24/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner;
I don't. So, clearly you're wrong; not everybody does.
And I take it by your digression that you don't *have* any evidence
that there's isn't life aside from on earth, and are just making it up.
: "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner;
I don't. So, clearly you're wrong; not everybody does.
And I take it by your digression that you don't *have* any evidence
that there's isn't life aside from on earth, and are just making it up.
The Starmaker
May 24, 2012, 4:44:05 PM5/24/12
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"We are all holding our breath for Earth 2.0, an Earthlike planet," she continued.
"Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner; you can almost taste it."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9286770/Alien-hunter-Jill-Tarter-retires.html
She speaks for You and the 'scientific community'.
The Starmaker
Yevgen Barsukov
May 24, 2012, 4:46:15 PM5/24/12
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> There is Life on other planets. You don't need proof or evidence, just have faith.
>
planets.
But we don't need a proof to say that "a hypothesis that there is life
on other planets
is very likely".
This hypothesis has many pros in its favor, one of which is that there
is so far nothing
special that has been identified that would make our planet unique,
and there are plenty
similar planets already detected. New planets are being reported
almost every week now
and the reported sizes keep decreasing as detection methods improve.
Since our planet has life, and it is not any different from others,
ergo, there should be life on
other planets too. It is not a proof, but a very convincing argument
why it should be so.
Many arguments that we follow in everyday's life are indirect. For
example you don't need to jump from a building to get a proof that it
will kill you. Even though an absolute proof that it will kill you
will be constituted only by actual experiment of jumping, you will
settle
and make your decision based on the indirect arguments like Newton's
law or just "cultural DNA"
in form of your mom saying not to do it.
Same is with life in the universe. Since there are good arguments that
it is likely, we have
to take actions accordingly to best estimate, even before we find a
final proof.
Does not mean we should stop looking for such a proof, which is
likely to be
forthcoming quite soon for example based on spectroscopic analysis of
many newly found planets.
Many new powerful telescopes are going on-line and analysis methods
are improving.
Regards,
Yevgen
Wayne Throop
May 24, 2012, 5:03:12 PM5/24/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: I'm quoting your mentor...
Wrong again. Never heard of her.
: She speaks for You and the 'scientific community'.
No she doesn't.
: I'm quoting your mentor...
Wrong again. Never heard of her.
: She speaks for You and the 'scientific community'.
No she doesn't.
alie...@gmail.com
May 24, 2012, 9:43:14 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 9:52 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> A lot of stuff for..for nothing.
>
> Unless of course, Mr. Mark El Fergerson.. you
> can explain to me what is all that stuff out there ...for?
What do you mean "what is all that stuff out there ...for"?
It's just there.
To imagine that "all that stuff" might be "for" a purpose requires
someone to think up that purpose. Who did you have in mind?
> And don't 'hide' behind words like.."The evidence is coming in.."
Look who's talking. Where are you hiding your evidence?
> I'm hip to all your cons.
I'm hip to yours. You have nothing.
Mark L. Fergerson
> n...@bid.nes wrote:
>
> > On May 23, 10:20 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style.
>
> > > Just take Earth
> > > out of the equation..
> > > remove the Earth
> > > and what do you got?
>
> > > Nothing to search for.
>
> > So, you got nothing. Not surprising.
>
>
> > On May 23, 10:20 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style.
>
> > > Just take Earth
> > > out of the equation..
> > > remove the Earth
> > > and what do you got?
>
> > > Nothing to search for.
>
> > So, you got nothing. Not surprising.
>
> You don't have to be a rockit scientist to figure that out...
>
> You take the Earth out..
> you got nothing.
>
> There is No Life on other planets.
> There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
> There is No aliens anywhere else in the universe.
> There are no other Earths.
>
> Just a bunch of balls on fire and rocks everywhere.
Again, where's your evidence?
>
> You take the Earth out..
> you got nothing.
>
> There is No Life on other planets.
> There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
> There is No aliens anywhere else in the universe.
> There are no other Earths.
>
> Just a bunch of balls on fire and rocks everywhere.
> A lot of stuff for..for nothing.
>
> Unless of course, Mr. Mark El Fergerson.. you
> can explain to me what is all that stuff out there ...for?
It's just there.
To imagine that "all that stuff" might be "for" a purpose requires
someone to think up that purpose. Who did you have in mind?
> And don't 'hide' behind words like.."The evidence is coming in.."
> I'm hip to all your cons.
Mark L. Fergerson
alie...@gmail.com
May 24, 2012, 9:48:16 PM5/24/12
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> > : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> "We are all holding our breath for Earth 2.0, an Earthlike planet," she continued.
> "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner; you can almost taste it."
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9286770/A...
Sorry, I'd never heard of her until you posted the link.
And no, she doesn't speak for me.
And you still have no more evidence than she does.
The difference between you and her is that she actually helps look
for evidence for *or against* her position.
While all the evidence she's helped to collect is against her
position, she's still way ahead of you.
Mark L. Fergerson
> > : "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner;
>
> > I don't. So, clearly you're wrong; not everybody does.
> > And I take it by your digression that you don't *have* any evidence
> > that there's isn't life aside from on earth, and are just making it up.
>
> I'm quoting your mentor...Jill Tarter
Finally, we get to the reason you started this thread.
>
> > I don't. So, clearly you're wrong; not everybody does.
> > And I take it by your digression that you don't *have* any evidence
> > that there's isn't life aside from on earth, and are just making it up.
>
> I'm quoting your mentor...Jill Tarter
> "We are all holding our breath for Earth 2.0, an Earthlike planet," she continued.
> "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner; you can almost taste it."
>
>
> She speaks for You and the 'scientific community'.
You wanted to raise a strawman argument so you could knock it down.
> She speaks for You and the 'scientific community'.
Sorry, I'd never heard of her until you posted the link.
And no, she doesn't speak for me.
And you still have no more evidence than she does.
The difference between you and her is that she actually helps look
for evidence for *or against* her position.
While all the evidence she's helped to collect is against her
position, she's still way ahead of you.
Mark L. Fergerson
The Starmaker
May 25, 2012, 12:34:41 AM5/25/12
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nu...@bid.nes wrote:
>
> On May 24, 1:44 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Wayne Throop wrote:
> >
> > > : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> > > : "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner;
> >
> > > I don't. So, clearly you're wrong; not everybody does.
> > > And I take it by your digression that you don't *have* any evidence
> > > that there's isn't life aside from on earth, and are just making it up.
> >
> > I'm quoting your mentor...Jill Tarter
>
> Finally, we get to the reason you started this thread.
I started this thread on Sunday..
>
> On May 24, 1:44 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Wayne Throop wrote:
> >
> > > : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> > > : "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner;
> >
> > > I don't. So, clearly you're wrong; not everybody does.
> > > And I take it by your digression that you don't *have* any evidence
> > > that there's isn't life aside from on earth, and are just making it up.
> >
> > I'm quoting your mentor...Jill Tarter
>
> Finally, we get to the reason you started this thread.
this news item came out today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9286770/Alien-hunter-Jill-Tarter-retires.html
Your reason are warped.
The Starmaker
May 25, 2012, 12:37:17 AM5/25/12
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nu...@bid.nes wrote:
>
> On May 24, 1:44 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Wayne Throop wrote:
> >
> > > : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> > > : "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner;
> >
> > > I don't. So, clearly you're wrong; not everybody does.
> > > And I take it by your digression that you don't *have* any evidence
> > > that there's isn't life aside from on earth, and are just making it up.
> >
> > I'm quoting your mentor...Jill Tarter
>
> Finally, we get to the reason you started this thread.
>
> > "We are all holding our breath for Earth 2.0, an Earthlike planet," she continued.
> > "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner; you can almost taste it."
> >
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9286770/A...
> >
> > She speaks for You and the 'scientific community'.
>
> You wanted to raise a strawman argument so you could knock it down.
>
> Sorry, I'd never heard of her until you posted the link.
Jill Tarter announced earlier this week that she is stepping down as
>
> On May 24, 1:44 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Wayne Throop wrote:
> >
> > > : The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com>
> > > : "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner;
> >
> > > I don't. So, clearly you're wrong; not everybody does.
> > > And I take it by your digression that you don't *have* any evidence
> > > that there's isn't life aside from on earth, and are just making it up.
> >
> > I'm quoting your mentor...Jill Tarter
>
> Finally, we get to the reason you started this thread.
>
> > "We are all holding our breath for Earth 2.0, an Earthlike planet," she continued.
> > "Everyone has this feeling it is just around the corner; you can almost taste it."
> >
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9286770/A...
> >
> > She speaks for You and the 'scientific community'.
>
> You wanted to raise a strawman argument so you could knock it down.
>
> Sorry, I'd never heard of her until you posted the link.
director of the
non-profit SETI Institute to focus on raising money to keep the effort
going.
The chick Jodie Foaster played on the movie "Contact"...get out of that
basement already.
The Starmaker
May 25, 2012, 1:13:05 AM5/25/12
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nu...@bid.nes wrote:
>
> On May 24, 9:52 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > n...@bid.nes wrote:
> >
> > > On May 23, 10:20 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > > I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style.
> >
> > > > Just take Earth
> > > > out of the equation..
> > > > remove the Earth
> > > > and what do you got?
> >
> > > > Nothing to search for.
> >
> > > So, you got nothing. Not surprising.
> >
> > You don't have to be a rockit scientist to figure that out...
> >
> > You take the Earth out..
> > you got nothing.
> >
> > There is No Life on other planets.
> > There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
> > There is No aliens anywhere else in the universe.
> > There are no other Earths.
> >
> > Just a bunch of balls on fire and rocks everywhere.
>
> Again, where's your evidence?
Okay, look up in the sky, do you see a ball of fire, that's a sun.
>
> On May 24, 9:52 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > n...@bid.nes wrote:
> >
> > > On May 23, 10:20 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > > I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style.
> >
> > > > Just take Earth
> > > > out of the equation..
> > > > remove the Earth
> > > > and what do you got?
> >
> > > > Nothing to search for.
> >
> > > So, you got nothing. Not surprising.
> >
> > You don't have to be a rockit scientist to figure that out...
> >
> > You take the Earth out..
> > you got nothing.
> >
> > There is No Life on other planets.
> > There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
> > There is No aliens anywhere else in the universe.
> > There are no other Earths.
> >
> > Just a bunch of balls on fire and rocks everywhere.
>
> Again, where's your evidence?
And again. I wrote: "I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style."
You don't ask Einstein. You insult him, and you insult me when you ask for evidence. I'm just right, I'm correct.
>
> > A lot of stuff for..for nothing.
> >
> > Unless of course, Mr. Mark El Fergerson.. you
> > can explain to me what is all that stuff out there ...for?
>
> What do you mean "what is all that stuff out there ...for"?
>
> It's just there.
>
> To imagine that "all that stuff" might be "for" a purpose requires
> someone to think up that purpose. Who did you have in mind?
(when are you people going to learn how to reed?)
>
> > And don't 'hide' behind words like.."The evidence is coming in.."
>
> Look who's talking. Where are you hiding your evidence?
>
> > I'm hip to all your cons.
>
> I'm hip to yours. You have nothing.
>
> Mark L. Fergerson
Just take Earth
out of the equation..
remove the Earth
and what do you got?
(this stuff is simple)
out of the equation..
remove the Earth
and what do you got?
Walk around the moon, alk arond mars, walk around the sun...and
there is nothing going on but a bunch of
of balls on fire and rocks everywhere.
4,700 rocks to play with here....
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0518/4-700-asteroids-capable-of-catastrophic-damage-lurk-near-Earth
The 'scientific community' has nothing to do now except throw rocks at the American People.
The Starmaker
While the 'other side' of the scientific community are throwing.. dinosaur bones at us...daily.
Paul Colquhoun
May 25, 2012, 1:37:47 AM5/25/12
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invented person.
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC. http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
Asking for technical help in newsgroups? Read this first:
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
alie...@gmail.com
May 25, 2012, 4:01:03 AM5/25/12
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On May 24, 10:13 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> n...@bid.nes wrote:
>
> > On May 24, 9:52 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > n...@bid.nes wrote:
>
> > > > On May 23, 10:20 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > > > I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style.
>
> > > > > Just take Earth
> > > > > out of the equation..
> > > > > remove the Earth
> > > > > and what do you got?
>
> > > > > Nothing to search for.
>
> > > > So, you got nothing. Not surprising.
>
> > > You don't have to be a rockit scientist to figure that out...
>
> > > You take the Earth out..
> > > you got nothing.
>
> > > There is No Life on other planets.
> > > There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
> > > There is No aliens anywhere else in the universe.
> > > There are no other Earths.
>
> > > Just a bunch of balls on fire and rocks everywhere.
>
> > Again, where's your evidence?
>
> Okay, look up in the sky, do you see a ball of fire, that's a sun.
Wow, you *are* way behind. The Sun hasn't been considered to be fire
> n...@bid.nes wrote:
>
> > On May 24, 9:52 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > n...@bid.nes wrote:
>
> > > > On May 23, 10:20 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > > > I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style.
>
> > > > > Just take Earth
> > > > > out of the equation..
> > > > > remove the Earth
> > > > > and what do you got?
>
> > > > > Nothing to search for.
>
> > > > So, you got nothing. Not surprising.
>
> > > You don't have to be a rockit scientist to figure that out...
>
> > > You take the Earth out..
> > > you got nothing.
>
> > > There is No Life on other planets.
> > > There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
> > > There is No aliens anywhere else in the universe.
> > > There are no other Earths.
>
> > > Just a bunch of balls on fire and rocks everywhere.
>
> > Again, where's your evidence?
>
> Okay, look up in the sky, do you see a ball of fire, that's a sun.
since, oh, a couple hundred years at least.
> And again. I wrote: "I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style."
> You don't ask Einstein. You insult him, and you insult me when you ask for evidence. I'm just right, I'm correct.
I asked you for evidence to support your assertion that there's no
life on any other planet.
You still haven't provided any.
> > > A lot of stuff for..for nothing.
>
> > > Unless of course, Mr. Mark El Fergerson.. you
> > > can explain to me what is all that stuff out there ...for?
>
> > What do you mean "what is all that stuff out there ...for"?
>
> > It's just there.
>
> No, it isn't 'just there'...it's over there.
That assumes a purpose, which assumes somebody to decide on that
purpose. Who did you have in mind?
> > To imagine that "all that stuff" might be "for" a purpose requires
> > someone to think up that purpose. Who did you have in mind?
>
> I already said...nothing: "A lot of stuff for..for nothing."
See, nobody else said they have any purpose. What's your point,
> > To imagine that "all that stuff" might be "for" a purpose requires
> > someone to think up that purpose. Who did you have in mind?
>
> I already said...nothing: "A lot of stuff for..for nothing."
other than raising a strawman?
> (when are you people going to learn how to reed?)
> Just take Earth
> out of the equation..
> remove the Earth
> and what do you got?
>
> (this stuff is simple)
> Walk around the moon, alk arond mars, walk around the sun...and
> there is nothing going on but a bunch of
> of balls on fire and rocks everywhere.
them? Any of them?
No, of course you haven't. You have nothing.
> 4,700 rocks to play with here....http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0518/4-700-asteroids-capable-of...
>
> The 'scientific community' has nothing to do now except throw rocks at the American People.
Like many caged monkeys, you have nothing to do but throw your
> The 'scientific community' has nothing to do now except throw rocks at the American People.
excrement.
> While the 'other side' of the scientific community are throwing.. dinosaur bones at us...daily.
Ah, so you're a creationist. Why am I not surprised.
Mark L. Fergerson
G=EMC^2
May 25, 2012, 9:54:35 AM5/25/12
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hanson
May 25, 2012, 12:49:24 PM5/25/12
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Hebe-Herbie "G=EMC^2" <herbert...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hebe Herbie came to the rescue and wrote:
Venus is so like the Earth ,and yet it is impossible for life. Trebert
>
hanson wrote:
Venus is so like the Earth ,and yet it is impossible for life. Trebert
>
... and that is where you will be going soon, Herbie!
Happy molten Lead trails to you... ... ahahahahanson
The Starmaker
May 25, 2012, 12:53:19 PM5/25/12
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Jill Tarter, SETI Institute astronomer, inspiration for Jodi Foster character, retires
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/jill-tarter-seti-institute-astronomer-inspiration-jodi-foster-character-retires
The Starmaker
May 25, 2012, 1:13:33 PM5/25/12
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he doesn't need or I don't need 'evidence'. It's a field of science you no nothing about. It's called Einstein Style.
You simply cannot prove that I'm ...wrong. So I'm right..
There is No Life on other planets.
There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
There is No aliens anywhere else in the universe.
There are no other Earths.
The Starmaker
The Starmaker
May 25, 2012, 1:24:23 PM5/25/12
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You and El Fergerson claim to 'wait for the evidence to come in'...but you don't know the name
of the person whose job was it to bring you the evidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaZWyRvafWc&feature=fvwrel
I'm flabagasted!
The Starmaker
Wayne Throop
May 25, 2012, 1:25:53 PM5/25/12
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:: She speaks for You and the 'scientific community'.
: No she doesn't.
: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: Well, I just don't understand...
Yes you do.
: You and El Fergerson claim to 'wait for the evidence to come in'...but
then I'll point out that I mean "don't come to a definite conclusion
without evidence, and don't come to a conclusion more definite than
the evidence you've got, if any".
Of course, you'll pretend that wasn't obvious. But it still is.
And she still doesn't speak for me, nor for the "scientific community".
: I'm flabagasted!
No you're not.
: No she doesn't.
: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: Well, I just don't understand...
Yes you do.
: You and El Fergerson claim to 'wait for the evidence to come in'...but
: you don't know the name of the person whose job was it to bring you
: the evidence?
If you are pretending to have a problem with the phrase "wait for evidence",
: the evidence?
then I'll point out that I mean "don't come to a definite conclusion
without evidence, and don't come to a conclusion more definite than
the evidence you've got, if any".
Of course, you'll pretend that wasn't obvious. But it still is.
And she still doesn't speak for me, nor for the "scientific community".
: I'm flabagasted!
No you're not.
The Starmaker
May 25, 2012, 3:01:45 PM5/25/12
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Take me to your leader..is it this guy?
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2s1amUtGN1qz8rm7o1_1280.jpg
The Starmaker
May 25, 2012, 4:02:39 PM5/25/12
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She wasted her whole life because you guys fuckin lied to her...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRGJriHmUzc&feature=related
She looks like somthing out of a ...cult. She's totally brianwashed by you guys.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
The Starmaker
Wayne Throop
May 25, 2012, 4:01:30 PM5/25/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: Who speaks for you?
I don't think I've elected anybody to the position.
Well, my wife has power of attorney for some matters.
: Who speaks for you?
I don't think I've elected anybody to the position.
Well, my wife has power of attorney for some matters.
Wayne Throop
May 25, 2012, 4:04:30 PM5/25/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: The poor girl...
: You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
If I told whoppers like you do left and right, I might be.
: The poor girl...
: She wasted her whole life because you guys fuckin lied to her...
Haven't said a word to her.
: You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
If I told whoppers like you do left and right, I might be.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
May 25, 2012, 4:08:43 PM5/25/12
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On 5/25/12 3:01 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Who speaks for you?
I speak for me. No one else does. No one else has the authority to
>
> Who speaks for you?
speak for me.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
William December Starr
May 25, 2012, 4:23:49 PM5/25/12
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In article <slrnjru6lb.m...@andor.dropbear.id.au>,
Paul Colquhoun <newsp...@andor.dropbear.id.au> said:
> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Jill Tarter announced earlier this week that she is stepping down
>> as director of the non-profit SETI Institute to focus on raising
>> money to keep the effort going.
>>
>> The chick Jodie Foaster played on the movie "Contact"...get out
>> of that basement already.
>
> Umm, "Contact" was pure fiction. Jodie Foster's character was an
> invented person.
As is Starmaker.
-- wds
Paul Colquhoun <newsp...@andor.dropbear.id.au> said:
> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Jill Tarter announced earlier this week that she is stepping down
>> as director of the non-profit SETI Institute to focus on raising
>> money to keep the effort going.
>>
>> The chick Jodie Foaster played on the movie "Contact"...get out
>> of that basement already.
>
> Umm, "Contact" was pure fiction. Jodie Foster's character was an
> invented person.
-- wds
Greg Goss
May 25, 2012, 6:40:36 PM5/25/12
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The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Wayne Throop wrote:
>> Of course, you'll pretend that wasn't obvious. But it still is.
>> And she still doesn't speak for me, nor for the "scientific community".
>>
>
>Who speaks for you?
>Take me to your leader..is it this guy?
>http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2s1amUtGN1qz8rm7o1_1280.jpg
The whole idea is that the faces aren't that important. Science is a
careful arrangement of techniques to disprove new ideas. If the new
idea survives the gauntlet, then it's probably correct. Does anyone
care who's manning one of the bats on the gauntlet?
Once you get hero worship, it's probably not science anymore.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.
>Wayne Throop wrote:
>> Of course, you'll pretend that wasn't obvious. But it still is.
>> And she still doesn't speak for me, nor for the "scientific community".
>>
>
>Who speaks for you?
>Take me to your leader..is it this guy?
>http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2s1amUtGN1qz8rm7o1_1280.jpg
careful arrangement of techniques to disprove new ideas. If the new
idea survives the gauntlet, then it's probably correct. Does anyone
care who's manning one of the bats on the gauntlet?
Once you get hero worship, it's probably not science anymore.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.
alien8er
May 25, 2012, 10:13:50 PM5/25/12
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> > > And again. I wrote: "I have 'proof' that Life doesn't exist on other planets, Einstein style."
>
> > Meaningless.
>
> > > You don't ask Einstein. You insult him, and you insult me when you ask for evidence. I'm just right, I'm correct.
>
> > No sidetracks; Einstein isn't involved.
>
> There is no sidetracks, I wrote "Einstein style"...you just fail to understand...Einstein style. It means
> he doesn't need or I don't need 'evidence'. It's a field of science you no nothing about. It's called Einstein Style.
can *falsify* them.
All you have is assertions.
> You simply cannot prove that I'm ...wrong. So I'm right..
is your faith.
> There is No Life on other planets.
> There is No Life anywhere else in the universe.
> There is No aliens anywhere else in the universe.
> There are no other Earths.
>
> You cannot prove that I'm wrong, so I'm right.
to be true.
Mark L. Fergerson
oriel36
May 26, 2012, 2:43:29 AM5/26/12
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On May 25, 11:40 pm, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
vicious cycle however most people are clever enough to appreciate how
that system works and works in such a way that it advances nothing
apart from the reputations and jobs of those who are doing the
reviewing.The reason nothing is happening in terrestrial sciences and
astronomy other than scams and worthless 'definitions' is that anyone
who wants to join the empirical welfare society has to agree with
those doing the reviewing of their paper.
There is no "careful arrangement of techniques to disprove new ideas"
as you call it,there is a system to protect the old falsehoods and
what reviewer who relies for his bread and butter on a steady stream
of new students falling into line with old ideas is going to accept
new approaches and techniques when his very job depends on making sure
the 'scientific method' is protected at all costs.
Not even the most dominant political dictator has the power of the
modern 'peer review system' and only recently when 'global warming
theory' surfaced,has anyone questioned what these guys were up to and
boy !,has empiricists ever got a shock that people don;t hang on every
word they utter.
> The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >Wayne Throop wrote:
> >> Of course, you'll pretend that wasn't obvious. But it still is.
> >> And she still doesn't speak for me, nor for the "scientific community".
>
> >Who speaks for you?
> >Take me to your leader..is it this guy?
> >http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2s1amUtGN1qz8rm7o1_1280.jpg
>
> The whole idea is that the faces aren't that important. Science is a
> careful arrangement of techniques to disprove new ideas. If the new
> idea survives the gauntlet, then it's probably correct. Does anyone
> care who's manning one of the bats on the gauntlet?
>
That is funny.The peer review system which you call 'science' is a
> >Wayne Throop wrote:
> >> Of course, you'll pretend that wasn't obvious. But it still is.
> >> And she still doesn't speak for me, nor for the "scientific community".
>
> >Who speaks for you?
> >Take me to your leader..is it this guy?
> >http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2s1amUtGN1qz8rm7o1_1280.jpg
>
> The whole idea is that the faces aren't that important. Science is a
> careful arrangement of techniques to disprove new ideas. If the new
> idea survives the gauntlet, then it's probably correct. Does anyone
> care who's manning one of the bats on the gauntlet?
>
vicious cycle however most people are clever enough to appreciate how
that system works and works in such a way that it advances nothing
apart from the reputations and jobs of those who are doing the
reviewing.The reason nothing is happening in terrestrial sciences and
astronomy other than scams and worthless 'definitions' is that anyone
who wants to join the empirical welfare society has to agree with
those doing the reviewing of their paper.
There is no "careful arrangement of techniques to disprove new ideas"
as you call it,there is a system to protect the old falsehoods and
what reviewer who relies for his bread and butter on a steady stream
of new students falling into line with old ideas is going to accept
new approaches and techniques when his very job depends on making sure
the 'scientific method' is protected at all costs.
Not even the most dominant political dictator has the power of the
modern 'peer review system' and only recently when 'global warming
theory' surfaced,has anyone questioned what these guys were up to and
boy !,has empiricists ever got a shock that people don;t hang on every
word they utter.
The Starmaker
May 26, 2012, 1:54:24 PM5/26/12
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Walter Bushell wrote:
>
> In article <4FBD1D...@ix.netcom.com>,
> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Walter Bushell wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <4FBD19...@ix.netcom.com>,
> > > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > bjacoby wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/22/2012 1:33 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > bjacoby wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Hopefully they won't be vegetarians and we can point to you and tell
> > > > > >> them that, "Starmaker", serves no useful human purpose here if they'd
> > > > > >> like to experiment with recipes. Hopefully they'll be thankful.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Biology is not a universal law.
> > > > >
> > > > > And obviously, neither is intelligence.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't see any evidence of 'intelligence' anywhere...certaintly it
> > > > doesn't exist on earth. Can
> > > > you point to any evidence here on earth?
> > >
> > > There is a couple living more or less in seclusion in a gated
> > > community on Maui that qualifies.
> > >
> > > --
> > > This space unintentionally left blank.
> >
> >
> > Why is it gated?
>
> To keep you out.
Gates are not to keep me out...cause 'gates' cannot keep me out.
The gates are to keep...the honest people out.
>
> In article <4FBD1D...@ix.netcom.com>,
> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Walter Bushell wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <4FBD19...@ix.netcom.com>,
> > > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > bjacoby wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/22/2012 1:33 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > bjacoby wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Hopefully they won't be vegetarians and we can point to you and tell
> > > > > >> them that, "Starmaker", serves no useful human purpose here if they'd
> > > > > >> like to experiment with recipes. Hopefully they'll be thankful.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Biology is not a universal law.
> > > > >
> > > > > And obviously, neither is intelligence.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't see any evidence of 'intelligence' anywhere...certaintly it
> > > > doesn't exist on earth. Can
> > > > you point to any evidence here on earth?
> > >
> > > There is a couple living more or less in seclusion in a gated
> > > community on Maui that qualifies.
> > >
> > > --
> > > This space unintentionally left blank.
> >
> >
> > Why is it gated?
>
> To keep you out.
Gates are not to keep me out...cause 'gates' cannot keep me out.
The gates are to keep...the honest people out.
The Starmaker
May 26, 2012, 4:02:28 PM5/26/12
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But I see you a special case...I'll have to take you step by step,
planet by planet..
Any child in kindergarten can tell you there are no men from the moon.
This is very simple stuff..
You don't have to go to the moon to know...there are no aliens from
outer space that come from the moon.
There are no fishes or trees on the Moon. Now, ...how about Mars?
There ain't no men from Mars.
No trees, no fishes..nada!
How about Venus? I don't get it...do I have to go through every single
object in space one by one with you?
There is no Life in other planets, why is that a problem?
Maybe it's because I have *never* read a science fiction book before,
that could explain why I see things...differently.
The Starmaker
Wayne Throop
May 26, 2012, 4:46:47 PM5/26/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: There is no Life in other planets, why is that a problem?
The problem is the bit where you stop citing any actual information,
and assert that every other object in the universe is the same,
known or unknown.
: Maybe it's because I have *never* read a science fiction book before,
that don't pretend to know more than they do.
: There is no Life in other planets, why is that a problem?
The problem is the bit where you stop citing any actual information,
and assert that every other object in the universe is the same,
known or unknown.
: Maybe it's because I have *never* read a science fiction book before,
: that could explain why I see things...differently.
Nah, there are plenty of folks who've never read science fiction
that don't pretend to know more than they do.
The Starmaker
May 26, 2012, 5:58:02 PM5/26/12
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Wayne Throop wrote:
>
> : The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
> : There is no Life in other planets, why is that a problem?
>
> The problem is the bit where you stop citing any actual information,
> and assert that every other object in the universe is the same,
> known or unknown.
"citing"???? I am the cite!
>
> : The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
> : There is no Life in other planets, why is that a problem?
>
> The problem is the bit where you stop citing any actual information,
> and assert that every other object in the universe is the same,
> known or unknown.
You can quote me...
There is no Life in other planets -- The Starmaker
Wayne Throop
May 26, 2012, 10:03:20 PM5/26/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: "citing"???? I am the cite!
Thanks for clarifying just how massively unreliable your claims are.
: "citing"???? I am the cite!
Thanks for clarifying just how massively unreliable your claims are.
alie...@gmail.com
May 26, 2012, 11:54:21 PM5/26/12
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ignorance keep *expanding*.
> But I see you a special case...I'll have to take you step by step,
> planet by planet..
>
> Any child in kindergarten can tell you there are no men from the moon.
> This is very simple stuff..
>
> You don't have to go to the moon to know...there are no aliens from
> outer space that come from the moon.
> There are no fishes or trees on the Moon. Now, ...how about Mars?
>
> There ain't no men from Mars.
> No trees, no fishes..nada!
>
> How about Venus? I don't get it...do I have to go through every single
> object in space one by one with you?
>
> There is no Life in other planets, why is that a problem?
planets (or moons, etc.) in this solar system.
What makes you think it applies to every other solar system in the
entire universe?
> Maybe it's because I have *never* read a science fiction book before,
> that could explain why I see things...differently.
eagerness to introduce irrelevant distractions.
Mark L. Fergerson
David DeLaney
May 27, 2012, 1:29:46 AM5/27/12
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nu...@bid.nes <alie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 26, 1:02 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Einstein didn't theorized...he imagined.
>
> I thought I knew how ignorant you were, but the boundaries of your
>ignorance keep *expanding*.
...Wait, you can still see BOUNDARIES?
>On May 26, 1:02 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Einstein didn't theorized...he imagined.
>
> I thought I knew how ignorant you were, but the boundaries of your
>ignorance keep *expanding*.
Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
The Starmaker
May 27, 2012, 3:50:08 PM5/27/12
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The Starmaker
May 27, 2012, 3:52:41 PM5/27/12
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Walter Bushell
May 27, 2012, 3:58:45 PM5/27/12
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In article <4FC286...@ix.netcom.com>,
Relatively speaking that is the stupidest thing I read all month.
The Starmaker
May 27, 2012, 4:15:53 PM5/27/12
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still stands..
Can you name *one* of Einstein's theory? Cause I don't recall he ever
came up
with a theory..maybe I'm not wording the question correctly..What is the
name of his theory that he came up with? What did
Albert Einstein call this theory of his? What did he name it? What did
he call it? I simply don't recall Einstein ever saying
"It's just a theory I have."
All I know is he built the Atomic Bomb.
The Starmaker
Howard Brazee
May 27, 2012, 5:19:08 PM5/27/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 13:15:53 -0700, The Starmaker
<star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Can you name *one* of Einstein's theory? Cause I don't recall he ever
>came up
>with a theory..maybe I'm not wording the question correctly..What is the
>name of his theory that he came up with? What did
>Albert Einstein call this theory of his? What did he name it? What did
>he call it? I simply don't recall Einstein ever saying
>"It's just a theory I have."
Do you know what "theory" means in science?
<star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Can you name *one* of Einstein's theory? Cause I don't recall he ever
>came up
>with a theory..maybe I'm not wording the question correctly..What is the
>name of his theory that he came up with? What did
>Albert Einstein call this theory of his? What did he name it? What did
>he call it? I simply don't recall Einstein ever saying
>"It's just a theory I have."
It doesn't matter whether someone labels something a theory, or a law
or whatever. Newton's laws were scientific theories, for instance.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Androcles
May 27, 2012, 5:31:57 PM5/27/12
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"Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
news:mf65s79ti3472cbnt...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 13:15:53 -0700, The Starmaker
> <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Can you name *one* of Einstein's theory? Cause I don't recall he ever
>>came up
>>with a theory..maybe I'm not wording the question correctly..What is the
>>name of his theory that he came up with? What did
>>Albert Einstein call this theory of his? What did he name it? What did
>>he call it? I simply don't recall Einstein ever saying
>>"It's just a theory I have."
>
> Do you know what "theory" means in science?
>
> It doesn't matter whether someone labels something a theory, or a law
> or whatever. Newton's laws were scientific theories, for instance.
>
Bullshit. Do you know what "theory" means in science?
> <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Can you name *one* of Einstein's theory? Cause I don't recall he ever
>>came up
>>with a theory..maybe I'm not wording the question correctly..What is the
>>name of his theory that he came up with? What did
>>Albert Einstein call this theory of his? What did he name it? What did
>>he call it? I simply don't recall Einstein ever saying
>>"It's just a theory I have."
>
> Do you know what "theory" means in science?
>
> It doesn't matter whether someone labels something a theory, or a law
> or whatever. Newton's laws were scientific theories, for instance.
>
It doesn't matter whether someone labels something a theory, or a law
or whatever. Newton's laws are axioms, for instance. Theories
attempt to explain. Axioms are observed.
Wayne Throop
May 27, 2012, 11:02:53 PM5/27/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: How do you determine the 'reliablity' of a cite?
It's a set of heuristics. A fairly important one is, if a ... well,
speaking loosely, person like Starmaker backs up a sweeping claim by
saying "because I say so", don't rely on it. Not even a little.
: How do you determine the 'reliablity' of a cite?
It's a set of heuristics. A fairly important one is, if a ... well,
speaking loosely, person like Starmaker backs up a sweeping claim by
saying "because I say so", don't rely on it. Not even a little.
Greg Goss
May 27, 2012, 11:34:41 PM5/27/12
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Greg Goss
May 27, 2012, 11:36:23 PM5/27/12
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Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Can you name one of Einstein's theory? Cause I don't recall he ever came up
>> with a theory..
>
>Relatively speaking that is the stupidest thing I read all month.
It's an electriconic photo-finish with several others.
>> Can you name one of Einstein's theory? Cause I don't recall he ever came up
>> with a theory..
>
>Relatively speaking that is the stupidest thing I read all month.
The Starmaker
May 28, 2012, 1:55:42 PM5/28/12
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Wayne Throop
May 28, 2012, 2:17:44 PM5/28/12
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: The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com>
: Have you ever heard them say, "Trust us, we're Scientist."?
No.
: Have you ever heard them say, "Trust us, we're Scientist."?
No.
The Starmaker
May 28, 2012, 2:25:48 PM5/28/12
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Howard Brazee wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 13:15:53 -0700, The Starmaker
> <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Can you name *one* of Einstein's theory? Cause I don't recall he ever
> >came up
> >with a theory..maybe I'm not wording the question correctly..What is the
> >name of his theory that he came up with? What did
> >Albert Einstein call this theory of his? What did he name it? What did
> >he call it? I simply don't recall Einstein ever saying
> >"It's just a theory I have."
>
> Do you know what "theory" means in science?
"theory" is just...window dressing.
>
> On Sun, 27 May 2012 13:15:53 -0700, The Starmaker
> <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Can you name *one* of Einstein's theory? Cause I don't recall he ever
> >came up
> >with a theory..maybe I'm not wording the question correctly..What is the
> >name of his theory that he came up with? What did
> >Albert Einstein call this theory of his? What did he name it? What did
> >he call it? I simply don't recall Einstein ever saying
> >"It's just a theory I have."
>
> Do you know what "theory" means in science?
Einstein had just thoughts and ideas, nothing more...
Einstein came up with
The Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies
and somebody told him.."You gotta fuckin put the word "theory" in there somewhere.."
Then he came up with "Special Relativity"...and somebody told him
"You gotta fuckin put the word "theory" in there somewhere!!!"
"How about "The Theory of Special and General Relativity?"
"Too fuckin big!!!"
"How about "The Theory of Special Relativity?"
"It's still too fuckin big!!!!"
"How about "The Principle of Relativity"?
You forgot to put in "Theory"!!!
How about..."The Theory Principle of Relativity?"
"Getthefuckoutofhereyoudummie!!"
How about "The Theory of Relativity?"
"Hey, I got another idea!"
"Don't say 'idea', say "theory"!
"Okay, I just thought of something..."
"Getthefuckoutofhereyoudummie!!"
""HOW DID YOU EVER BECOME AN EINSTEIN??"
"That's my name!
"Getthefuckoutofhereyoudummie!!"
The Starmaker
The Starmaker
Big Dog
May 29, 2012, 5:47:48 PM5/29/12
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On May 28, 12:55 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Have you ever heard them say, "Trust us, we're Scientist."?
Ya know, I bet after hearing the nurse say day after day after day
> Have you ever heard them say, "Trust us, we're Scientist."?
"Trust us, this medicine will put those bad thoughts out of your
head," it's gonna be natural for you to worry that everyone is saying
"Trust us" and for you to be profoundly suspicious of them. Of course,
that's what the medicine is for and so it's a shame you checked
yourself out before you were ready to rejoin society.
tj Frazir
May 29, 2012, 7:21:33 PM5/29/12
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4 light years away is not very far,
Your radio is not im motion with it so you morons cant hear it.
without that motion you cant convert the hz and read a sig.
The shuttle is at times able to hear and read the high end fm if it
had an entena.
.
talking to another planet thats going 300,000 miles an hour away with a
ground bass dish is retarted.
even if you picked the sig out of the lowest point on radiobands your
not near the high band sent. Ut would be like a record played so slow
it would sound like fuz.
low earth orbit is just fast enouph to conect and record then speed up
when played back.
the idiots at cern dont play with radios in motion.
only one place to set the radio dial as low as it will go then make the
radio go very fast untill you hear a record on slow speed.
in about 400 langs if you growa brain enouph to tell the dumbasses why
thier shit is junk.
http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA
Your radio is not im motion with it so you morons cant hear it.
without that motion you cant convert the hz and read a sig.
The shuttle is at times able to hear and read the high end fm if it
had an entena.
.
talking to another planet thats going 300,000 miles an hour away with a
ground bass dish is retarted.
even if you picked the sig out of the lowest point on radiobands your
not near the high band sent. Ut would be like a record played so slow
it would sound like fuz.
low earth orbit is just fast enouph to conect and record then speed up
when played back.
the idiots at cern dont play with radios in motion.
only one place to set the radio dial as low as it will go then make the
radio go very fast untill you hear a record on slow speed.
in about 400 langs if you growa brain enouph to tell the dumbasses why
thier shit is junk.
http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA
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