Nikola Tesla
Thhissux
scientist but the greatest by a thousand fold (well maybe I embelshed a little,
actually prob. not) at the same time.
Now I would like to know what you know?
Patrick Reany
Boris Mohar
He has been elevated to god like status by the new age crystal sucking
techno peasants. The face that he went insane only deepened the mystique.
Regards,
Boris Mohar
Sam Wormley
Robert J. Kolker
Thhissux wrote:
> I know that this is the most underminded, misunderstood, and unbeleived
> scientist but the greatest by a thousand fold (well maybe I embelshed a little,
> actually prob. not) at the same time.
Tesla was a genius, a showman, a showboat, and a monomaniacal nut case.
If he had not fixated on trying to broadcast useable amounts of
electrict power, he could have brought about radio 10 years earlier than
it happened. He was a true original "character". Going around in a
wizards gown like Gandalph the Grey straight out of Tolkien, was a bit
much. On the other hand he was a true original.
He is the true inventor of practical radio, the inventor of the working
altenating current system of generators and motors. That alone would
guarantee him an honerable place in the history of science and technology.
He was NOT a theorist of the stature of Maxwell however.
Bob Kolker
Merlin
One of the most objective descriptions of his accomplishments you will
find anywhere.
Patrick Reany
"Robert J. Kolker" wrote:
It seems that Tesla was very intuitive. I believe
that he used the assistance of Steinmetz to
help him with the math. IIRC.
Patrick
Robert J. Kolker
Patrick Reany wrote:
>>
>
> It seems that Tesla was very intuitive. I believe
> that he used the assistance of Steinmetz to
> help him with the math. IIRC.
In addition to being a real live physicist, Steinmetz himself, was an
intuitive genius. They tell a lot of stories about C.P.Steinmetz in
Schenectady N.Y. One of them is that he could *listen* to an A.C.
generator and figure out if it was off-phase just by ear.
C.P.S. was not only a buddy of Tesla, but he and Einstein were friends.
A.E. thought a great deal of C.P.S which is, indeed, high praise.
There are also human interest anectodes about C.P.S. He loved to smoke
cigars, so G.E. had an arrangement with every tobacco shop in town. When
ever C.P.S went into to help himself to cigars (he never gave too much
mind to paying for them) the shops would simply bill G.E. for the price.
Charles Steinmetz was a familiar sight as he rowed his boat on the
Mohawk River, which he did for recreation. Quite a character in his own
right. But he never wore Wizard's gowns.
During the early twentieth century America had some real originals for
inventors. I mean they were not your usual conventional characters. The
business types like Eastman and Westinghouse were more conventional in
their public behaviour.
Bob Kolker
Thhissux
energy. He used quick interuptions of DC current to seperate the radiant energy
from the "constraining" or "clutching" the flow. These pulses occured at
instances of switch closure and breakage with voltages of a degree wich was not
known capable of the dynamo, some people have died from this effect one which
Edison new of. He used (correct me somone who knows if i'm wrong) a spark gap
that was constantly blown out by a magnet placed so as to "blow out" the spark,
longer impulses (greater than 0.1 microseconds) produced stinging pains across
his labratory, even through layers of glass, copper, and other materials.
Impulses of less than 0.1 were not harmfull, infact heating of his lab could be
obtained at certain impulse rates, cool breezes and "consiouness heightening
effects" could be produced at even shorter impulse rates. Eventually he
produced light with that of the "brilliance of sun light", as well as
describing aurora quality lights of several colors. He figured that these
impulses were stimulating to luminecense the differnt phases of the aether.
I could continue but it would go on forever, his wireless broadcast of energy
was just a tip of the ice burg. His claims of Death Ray came only at time of
war and he was thought mad only because of misunderstaning (much as I may be
now trying to explain this). He has also been allegedly involved with some
controversial military projects, developing coils to detect the aetheric
coupling waves of the mind digitize them and rebroadcast at increased
intensity, even an involvement in the very early stages of the Rainbow Project
(Philadelphia Project) he preferring an analogous means as opposed to digital
resulting in him resigning and sabatoging a system (which I assumed was fixed).
As far as Marconi his early success was due to determined finacial backers to
promote voice trans. to undershadow Tesla's energy, voice, visual trans., and
his Social Class. Marconi's early work was a simple copy of those before him,
he claiming it as his own. He would switch around small components in systems
claiming them origional, later he would simply blow up (like a copy machine) a
device and patent it to the enourmous size.
He was v
Thhissux
Tesla annouced the problems that he would have at conferences and the thing
Marconi hated was he was right. Marconi's VLF stations were failures himself
finding it very hard to send them across the atlantic after his removal of the
spark gap generators and reinitiation of AC generators. Him being pressured by
his financers that he knew he could not appease he simply set off on his yacht
to the sea eventually developing short-wave ionosphere bouncing, but again
Tesla had been there and already found that there would be major
inconsistencies being effected by not just time of day but geological
placement, some spots being virtual dead zones.
Again I say any ignorence toward Tesla is due to a misunderstading of his work.
Robert J. Kolker
Thhissux wrote:
There is no aether. The famous Michaelso Moreley experiment pretty well
killed the aether hypothesis and physics has done wonderfully without it.
As I said, Tesla was meglamanaical about power transmission which is why
he ended up broke. His so-called failure was his greatest success.
BTW, the Philadelphia Project is a fairy tale from the git-go.
Bob Kolker
Thhissux
>There is no aether. The famous Michaelso Moreley experiment pretty well
>killed the aether hypothesis and physics has done wonderfully without it.
I speak of the aether as longitudal waves constantly displacing their density
differences across each other. The density diff. determining the finite couple
distance, light being a specific couple frequency stimulated across streams of
aether.
Any decrease/increase in density across a single point in the aether there is a
increase/decrease in density across every other point in the aether, in other
words energy cannot be created or destroyed only displaced. The collected
density is displaced across aether streams in every direction, these coupled
orderings continuing until completely displaced across the entire aether
system.
Again other sources for info are T.E.Bearden's papers, Nikola Tesla's post-AC
findings, Wilhelm Reich other names of which I have mentioned in the post "Some
Names" recently.
Robert J. Kolker
Thhissux wrote:
> I speak of the aether as longitudal waves constantly displacing their density
> differences across each other. The density diff. determining the finite couple
> distance, light being a specific couple frequency stimulated across streams of
> aether.
There is not a spec of experimental evidence which shows that aether
exists. Further any effect explained *with* aether can be equally well
explained *without* aether.
Barring some unexpected experimental evidence of serendipitous
observation, aether is a non starter.
Bob Kolker
Patrick Reany
"Robert J. Kolker" wrote:
Part of the reason he went broke was because
he didn't insure his expensive lab against
disaster, which burned down, IIRC. And at
that time of his life, he was not able to get
anymore rich backers for his dream projects.
I hardly think that Tesla thought his AC systems,
developed with Westinghouse backing, was a failure,
especially since it beat out Edison's DC, and has
become the only winner in what was called the
"War of the Currents." Without AC there would be
no modern world. We owe a great deal to Tesla.
Patrick
Boris Mohar
>I speak of the aether as longitudal waves constantly displacing their density
>differences across each other. The density diff. determining the finite couple
>distance, light being a specific couple frequency stimulated across streams of
>aether.
>Any decrease/increase in density across a single point in the aether there is a
>increase/decrease in density across every other point in the aether, in other
>words energy cannot be created or destroyed only displaced. The collected
>density is displaced across aether streams in every direction, these coupled
>orderings continuing until completely displaced across the entire aether
>system.
You are stringing techno sounding words together and doing it badly.
>Again other sources for info are T.E.Bearden's papers, Nikola Tesla's post-AC
>findings, Wilhelm Reich other names of which I have mentioned in the post "Some
>Names" recently.
Incredible
JosephShore23
>From: Boris Mohar borism-no...@sympatico.ca
>Date: 06/23/02 10:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <ft0dhugrt5079n86q...@4ax.com>
Boris!!
Can't you take a joke?!!! That was very nice double talk - maybe even better
than Al Kelly, remermber him - of Steve Allen days? He could talk to you very
seriously and concientiously for 5 minutes, almost be making sense, and he'd
end up asking if you didn't agree with him. And sometimes you wouldn't know
what to say. Talk about Roll On The Floor Laughing ---
Joe Shore
Robert J. Kolker
Patrick Reany wrote:
> become the only winner in what was called the
> "War of the Currents." Without AC there would be
> no modern world. We owe a great deal to Tesla.
Indeed we do. What we don't owe, however, is broadcast power.
Tesla was a genius inventor, as well as a truly interesting nut case.
Bob Kolker
Richard Herring
<thhi...@aol.com> writes
>>From: "Robert J. Kolker" bobk...@attbi.com
>
>>There is no aether. The famous Michaelso Moreley experiment pretty well
>>killed the aether hypothesis and physics has done wonderfully without it.
>
>I speak of the aether as longitudal waves constantly displacing their density
>differences across each other. The density diff. determining the finite couple
>distance, light being a specific couple frequency stimulated across streams of
>aether.
>Any decrease/increase in density across a single point in the aether there is a
>increase/decrease in density across every other point in the aether, in other
>words energy cannot be created or destroyed only displaced. The collected
>density is displaced across aether streams in every direction, these coupled
>orderings continuing until completely displaced across the entire aether
>system.
OK. So put this into unambiguous quantitative terms, giving suitable
equations, and tell us what quantitative predictions it makes which
differ from conventional theory. Make sure you define all your terms.
>
>Again other sources for info are T.E.Bearden's papers, Nikola Tesla's post-AC
>findings, Wilhelm Reich other names of which I have mentioned in the post "Some
>Names" recently.
<splutter> Excuse me. That kind of appeal to "authority" doesn't exactly
enhance your credibility.
--
Richard Herring
Gregory L. Hansen
I'm a fan of his coil.
But much of what he did could probably better be described as engineering
than science. He built great coils, gave us our house current, etc., but
what science did he do?
--
"For every problem there is a solution which is simple, clean and wrong. "
-- Henry Louis Mencken
Thhissux
Your right we don't owe him broadcast power because we have never utilized it.
Tesla in his post-colorado sprigs was backed by J.P. Morgan, who at first Tesla
refused but J.P. was very persistent, to the point of suggesting that something
might happen to Tesla. Now before this Morgan wanted Tesla's AC patents and was
going to refuse Tesla/Westinghouse use of his power distribution lines, Tesla
stated he had developed a conveinent means of eliminating such means of
distribution. Now when Morgan gave Tesla funding it was an the open agreement
that Tesla was developing trans-Atlantic wireless communication. Morgan knew
that Tesla would spend the money on his new found system, but didn't care
because he was in control of Tesla who threatend his monopolies. Morgan was in
control because Tesla relied on him for money and he controled the money, even
being able to completely withdraw funding at a critical time and let Tesla be
brought down by his debts, hotel debts at that. Morgan also financed Marconi,
Tesla's biggest rival to his success and yet with an inferior technology.
Morgan pushed Marconi to a moden day wizard status, once Marconi's system was
the completely accepted device for wireless trans. would he be able to bury
Tesla by his removal of finances.
As much as I envy his technology, I have noticed that he has acted rather
imaturely towards getting finances in early stages of his new found system. He
just would stop continually persisting not stopping because he beleived that
they did not recognize the emense significance of his system, so he deceived
for funding at one point. Agreeing to develop something and then running off to
Colorado Springs and doing something completely different. But this persistence
was the only way he new or could he was not of a high class by birth, his
connections were made through demonstrations where several possible funders
were invited and free to choose for themselves, the point is just didn't have
the connections.
>From: Patrick Reany re...@asu.edu
>Part of the reason he went broke was >because
>he didn't insure his expensive lab against
>disaster, which burned down, IIRC. And >at that time of his life, he was not
able to >get anymore rich backers for his dream >projects.
Are you reffering to his expensive lab in New York that was dynamited at the
foundations by some bad fellows, even after this he had Colorado and
Wardenclyffe.
As far as the aether goes I think that Bob is not quite getting the picture
that I'm trying to paint, the aether is gaseous consisting of independent
carriers capable of free motion, mass is a concentration of such carriers
constricting the flow of the carriers themselves. Gravitation and other forces
are due to the energy differences across the carriers' flow.
Eric Prebys
Nikola Tesla was undouptedly a visionary, who unfortunately is
remembered not for the great things he actually did, but for some
weird (and totally unsubstantiated) claims he made near the end of
his life.
Strangely, he's also "remembered" for a number of things that he
never even *claimed* to do (like the imaginary "Philadelphia
Experiment").
All these things have made him the poster boy of every kook from Bearden
to...well, Bearden is about as low as you can go, so I'll stop there.
The most even-handed treatment of Tesla is at PBS
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/
-Eric
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Thhissux
>All these things have made him the poster boy of every kook from Bearden
>to...well, Bearden is about as low as you can go, so I'll stop there.
>
Why do you consider Bearden as low as you can go? What exactly are your
proposed holes in his work?
Robert J. Kolker
Eric Prebys wrote:
>
> Nikola Tesla was undouptedly a visionary, who unfortunately is
> remembered not for the great things he actually did, but for some
> weird (and totally unsubstantiated) claims he made near the end of
> his life.
Anyone who knows anything knows Nikola Tesla brought alternating current
to the people. That, in itself, is a great accomplishment. He is also
the inventor of practical radio. Not bad for someone who went around
wearing a wizard's hat.
Bob Kolker
Robert J. Kolker
Thhissux wrote:
> As far as the aether goes I think that Bob is not quite getting the picture
> that I'm trying to paint, the aether is gaseous consisting of independent
> carriers capable of free motion, mass is a concentration of such carriers
> constricting the flow of the carriers themselves. Gravitation and other forces
> are due to the energy differences across the carriers' flow.
>
You have not one smidgin of replicated experimental proof supporting
that hypothesis. Rare gaseous aether cannot support transverse waves.
Bob Kolker
Thhissux
otherwise neutral in nature unless set off balance in which they couple
dispersing their inbalance as orderings accross the other neutral longitud.
waves existing. This being along the lines of Maxwell's first theory he had the
public consider him dismissing it and going with the second one he proposed to
consider.
Paul Stowe
"Robert J. Kolker" <bobk...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>
>Thhissux wrote:
>
>> I speak of the aether as longitudal waves constantly displacing their
>> density differences across each other. The density diff. determining
>> the finite couple distance, light being a specific couple frequency
>> stimulated across streams of aether.
>
>
> There is not a spec of experimental evidence which shows that aether
> exists. ...
Of course there is, we've been over this MYTH before...
> ... Further any effect explained *with* aether can be equally well
> stimulated across streams of *without* aether.
Good, now go do physics *without* invoking physical fields... When
you do, then you can make this claim, otherwise you're just putting
a different *name* on the same animal. A rose by any other name is
...
> Barring some unexpected experimental evidence of serendipitous
> observation, aether is a non starter.
Yes, the ghost that haunts modern physics, and refuses to stay quiet...
Without it, unification cannot occur...
Paul Stowe
Gregory L. Hansen
However, I applaud his clear definition in the style of what people have
meant by "aether" for the last few hundred years, rather than trying to
apply the name to quite different and recently imagined concepts like
fields and spacetime and then complaining that nobody takes the aether
seriously. Which doesn't even make sense, given the attention that fields
and spacetime get in mainstream science.
Gregory L. Hansen
Well, then, unification must be just around the corner, because mainstream
science is very much concerned with the aether, or fields. So what are
you complaining about? Unless, by "aether", you mean something different
from a field, I don't see how science can advance by a change in
terminology.
Thhissux
understood is what the aether is (beyond the material of space, i mean right
down to the "composistion" of the aether) and how forces arise in such a
system.
I have heard it is fluid in nature, but any fluid i have come across is
composed of smaller interating particles which makes the complete fluid system,
or maybe better put as independent carriers capable of free motion.
Robert J. Kolker
Thhissux wrote:
> Modern physics seems to be concerned with the aether, but what needs to be
> understood is what the aether is (beyond the material of space, i mean right
> down to the "composistion" of the aether) and how forces arise in such a
> system.
>
Modern physics has no use for aether. The aether hypothesis has led nowhere.
Bob Kolker
Thhissux
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Aether Engineering - a practical approach
by Jerry W.Decker
One of the approaches that KeelyNet has taken in trying to understand vast
amounts of seemingly unrelated information has been that of correlation.
Another is to look for primary claims or observations which could be expressed
in other terms or using other concepts.
The term KeelyNet reflects a reliance on the principles and concepts
discovered by John W. Keely in the late 1800's. By no means is it to imply
Keely as our ONLY source of information or inspiration.
Another KeelyNet approach is the recognition that scientists, engineers,
academics and other degreed professionals are not the sole source of
inspiration or invention. To that end, we promote a simplified approach to
science based on natural processes and observations.
As a kind of primer, a file was generated early on called NEUTRAL1 which
expressed the 'basics' of this philosophy. These basics have been expanded to
include;
1) ideas about the aether
a) it is omnipresent
b) it varies in density
c) it can be translated from one form to another
d) it can be interferred with
e) it flows into, creates and sustains all mass and energy
f) it flows into a point which exists in all individualized structures
(mass aggregates such as a rock or a chair, molecules which make up
the aggregate, atoms which make up the molecule, quarks which make
up the atom, etc.)
g) it is the aether flow which produces gravity and its sister forces
of electricity and magnetism
h) it oscillates at a very high frequency and can be interferred with
to produce energy, matter and phenomena
i) a matrix can be generated to 'manifest' specific structures in
matter based on E=MC^ yet not requiring high energy 'atomic
processes'
2) frequency and wavelength
a) everything oscillates based on its physical dimensions
b) oscillation produces waves which can be interferred with in a
constructive or destructive manner
c) energy can be transferred via resonance from or to an oscillating
structure or medium
d) a signature or matrix of frequencies can be derived from any mass
or energy structure
e) a signature can be represented in two dimensions as a mandala using
a vibrating (Chladni) waveplate
f) a signature can be projected into three dimensions by use of an
energized mandala
g) resonance can be used to transfer matter or energy between points,
dimensions or other quantum realities
3) gravity
a) is NOT an attractive force
b) IS a repelling force, most easily detectable between celestial
bodies
c) can be interferred with to produce
1) other forms of energy
2) loss of weight
3) negation of weight
4) positive thrust
5) a reduced aging zone for matter or life
d) weight is simply the result of being caught in the flow of aether
towards the center of a larger mass
The idea that 'weight' can be reduced by redirecting the flow of gravity is a
radical one, yet there are ample indications that it can be redirected and has
been done. We see it in the large, heavy stones used to build the pyramids.
We see it in StoneHenge, Easter Island, the stela in Ethiopia and other
megalithic constructions.
In modern times, the Farrow device, the Nieper ring and Edward Leedskalnins'
Coral Castle in Homestead, Florida. Leedskalnin claimed he had figured out
how the Egyptians constructed the pyramids and proved his claims by
duplicating the moving of large stones, single-handed.
There are also the reports of flying machines such as Keely's airship,
demonstrated to the US War Department in 1896, John Searl's flying disk and
more recently the Hummel disk in Canada. Not to mention Victor Schauberger
and the Nazi experiments which culminated in the Kugelblitz flying machine.
Then we have the Airship sightings in the 1800's, in the United States and
other countries, as well as reports of 'flying men' and 'bat-men' who flew
through the air as if swimming. Charles Fort also collected some reports on
these types of sightings of flying men and machines well before the advent of
the Wright brothers.
All this leads us to believe that there are people who are aware that gravity
CAN be controlled to a degree sufficient to reduce the weight of a given mass.
Over the last few years, several other pieces of information have been added
to the database that give us inspiration for experiments. The essential
information comes from;
1) the principle of inertial drive to produce a unidirectional thrust
a) Cook and Thornsen have developed similar systems to produce such a
thrust
b) the devices generate a cycloidal motion to produce this thrust
c) Chernetskii uses an electronic version of this technique to
generate power from a plasma
d) the reaction occurs not against the medium (air, earth, water,
etc.) but against the mass of the object itself
2) the 'ZPE as Inertia' paper by Haische, Puthoff and Rueda
a) describes how the ambient aether/ZPE is the source and cause of
inertia
b) by properly interferring with this flow, inertia could be avoided
3) the Aspden Effect
a) a spinning mass was brought to a specific RPM several times and the
energy required was always the same, 300 joules
b) when the mass was slowed ALMOST to a stop, then brought back up to
the specified RPM (3250), it only required 30 joules of energy
c) the rotating mass was not reported to have been weighed in this
preliminary test
These three essential pieces of information, derived from modern ideas and
experiments show us that aether/ZPE flows can be interacted with in such a way
as to be useful in modern day life.
The aether, being suffused into mass, can be dissociated or decoupled to
various degrees, leading to phenomena such as weight and/or inertial loss.
Did the ancients who built the pyramids and other such structures have access
to hidden technological advanced devices. Apparently not, since Leedskalnin
did not, yet he duplicated many of their feats in our time, all the while
claiming that he had re-discovered how the Egyptians had built the pyramids.
Once you reduce the 'weight' of a mass, you could move a large stone around
like a piece of styrofoam, or swim through the air, jump over a building, etc.
All indications point to an understanding of basic phenomena which we
currently overlook. This includes the use of sound or other energies,
properly introduced into mass, to interfere with the aether flow.
Using the concepts outlined above, KeelyNet and some of its associates feel we
could produce a gravity reduction experiment that anyone could duplicate and
this should be possible within a year or less. It would take some funding to
provide the time, material, equipment and backing to generate and document the
effort.
This file is being generated not for the express purpose of seeking funding,
but to offer everyone access to our observations as to the most likely
approach to achieve a practical means of gravity reduction. Based on the
information that comes into KeelyNet, it appears the concepts are out there,
but little is being done in the way of practical research.
It does not matter WHO rediscovers how to reduce the flow of gravity, all that
matters is that it is FREELY SHARED with the world.
The intent is to put the pieces in front of everyone so they will get as
excited as many of us are when realizing just HOW CLOSE we are to a world
where gravity is controllable.
Jerry W. Decker
Sysop/KeelyNet
August 21, 1995
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Paul Stowe
"Robert J. Kolker" <bobk...@attbi.com> wrote:
Tell that to Maxwell amoungst others...
Paul Stowe
Thhissux
>
>Bob Kolker
Bob your constent dismissal of aether doesn't seem to be getting any much
either so please enlighten me to your understaning of physics. How such forces
as magnetism, gravity, and radiation occur in your view. And don't just tell me
how they occur but how they are carried from one point in space to another, or
if i hear you right space doesn't exist.
Patrick Reany
Thhissux wrote:
All platitudes. How about some equations to
unify it all together and actually predict something?
Patrick
Paul Stowe
glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>In article <af88qt$4fn$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
>Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>In article <3D166276...@attbi.com>,
>> "Robert J. Kolker" <bobk...@attbi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thhissux wrote:
>>>
>>>> I speak of the aether as longitudal waves constantly displacing
>>>> their density differences across each other. The density diff.
>>>> determining the finite couple distance, light being a specific
>>>> couple frequency stimulated across streams of aether.
>>>
>>>
>>> There is not a speck of experimental evidence which shows that
>>> aether exists. ...
>>
>>Of course there is, we've been over this MYTH before...
>>
>>> ... Further any effect explained *with* aether can be equally well
>>> stimulated across streams of *without* aether.
>>
>> Good, now go do physics *without* invoking physical fields... When
>> you do, then you can make this claim, otherwise you're just putting
>> a different *name* on the same animal. A rose by any other name is
>> ...
>>
>>> Barring some unexpected experimental evidence of serendipitous
>>> observation, aether is a non starter.
>>
>> Yes, the ghost that haunts modern physics, and refuses to stay quiet...
>>
>>Without it, unification cannot occur...
>
> Well, then, unification must be just around the corner, because
> mainstream science is very much concerned with the aether, or fields.
> So what are you complaining about?
The problem is one of comprehension. One can study heat flow and
define a 'temperature field' and work out the appropriate mathematical
definitions. The underlying something (in this case a material
body of some sort) and it further composition need not be considered.
But, when you're done (assumed correctly), you'll have a specific set
of equations that can descibe and predict the behavior of said field
under general conditions. You can have a very accurate map of the
temperature profile for any specified situation. Yet you're knowledge
of the system will still be woefully lacking since you have not
considered the mechanisms that give rise to the equations you've devined.
Also, if you've used a large steel block as your 'field' your equations
won't work at all well for air... But, since in our case we've choosen
to ignored the underlying composition of the 'field', we wouldn't know
that now would we?
> Unless, by "aether", you mean something different from a field,
A field is a specific manifestation of the aether. Just like the
'temperature field' can be a specific manifestation of the steel
block. We can also define for the steel a density field, several
sonic fields, a stress field ... etc. In other words, while
fields are essential elements of the aether, no single one defines
it. Fields are subsets, components only, if one ignores this
essential aspect one can never achieve unification.
> I don't see how science can advance by a change in terminology.
Think...
Paul Stowe
Paul Stowe
Boris Mohar <borism-no...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On 23 Jun 2002 22:52:52 GMT, thhi...@aol.com (Thhissux) wrote:
>
>
>> I speak of the aether as longitudal waves constantly displacing their density
>> differences across each other. The density diff. determining the finite couple
>> distance, light being a specific couple frequency stimulated across streams of
>> aether.
>> Any decrease/increase in density across a single point in the aether there is a
>> increase/decrease in density across every other point in the aether, in other
>> words energy cannot be created or destroyed only displaced. The collected
>> density is displaced across aether streams in every direction, these coupled
>> orderings continuing until completely displaced across the entire aether
>> system.
>
> You are stringing techno sounding words together and doing it badly.
I think the above is an unspecified quote from Tesla... I've read several of
his papers and it sure sounds like him...
>> Again other sources for info are T.E.Bearden's papers, Nikola Tesla's post-AC
>> findings, Wilhelm Reich other names of which I have mentioned in the post "Some
>> Names" recently.
>
> Incredible
I don't agree with Bearden but, he has just as much right to express his views
as does anyone else. If he's right and can produce, more power to him. The
proof is in the doing...
We all should be capable of reasoning and deciding for ourselves what to
consider 'seriously'... We don't needs other attempting to assume that role
for us.
Paul Stowe
Thhissux
>unify it all together and actually predict something?
>
>Patrick
>
you would like equations, you must understand first, as do i.
nightbat
Thhissux wrote:
>
> I know that this is the most underminded, misunderstood, and unbeleived
> scientist but the greatest by a thousand fold (well maybe I embelshed a little,
> actually prob. not) at the same time.
>
> Now I would like to know what you know?
nightbat
He was one of the brightest minds nature has produced. Sad they
didn't understand his full genius and appreciate his total creative
potential. The man was a science treasure and model warehouse of
original new technology. Most of modern day life is presently owed to
Tesla's practical innovations. They should have helped him produce all
the wondrous models he could make and argued about them later. What he
said he could do could be taken to the bank. A mind of that caliber
should never be wasted or embroiled with lack of funding or politics. So
what if he was an eccentric, with a mental level that high who wouldn't
be? He wanted to achieve commercial wireless transfer of electric power,
{secured Patents for it and proved its practicality} and what could we
do with that now? Electric high pulse cannons, with pinpoint accuracy,
with more destructive and cleaner power then the potential of the atom
bomb. He was against use of dooms day power but within hours of his
death in 1943 his New York Hotel room safe was broken into by US agents
and all his papers that even today some of which are still held as
classified, and guess what, resultantly we had the bomb one year later.
The Nazi German Government offered him millions in gold and unlimited
research facilities and honor for those papers and knowledge. He turned
them down flat because he said electric power is cleaner and more
powerful and his love for the American way of life he cherished and
valued more. Commercial intergalactic communication with other planetary
systems {claimed he was in contact with more advanced space societies}.
And he was humble, for he claimed his brother, who died early of a horse
riding accident, was even smarter them himself. His vast advanced
practical knowledge was too broad to even be able to attempt to write
down completely, contemplate, truly imagine, or fully understand, as
related by his coworkers and fellow science researchers. Einstein his
friend, had the highest regard and professional respect for this giant
of intellect. Tesla always argued that more powerful, controllable, and
clean high voltage electric power would ultimately win out over, cathode
ray induced, radioactive producing, atomic power. These potential world
destructive toys were in their Pandora's play box which both great men
publicly had warned and fought against there misuse till the end of
their lives and agreed should never be utilized against humanity.
the nightbat
Gregory L. Hansen
Well, I haven't been following these discussions much lately, but I've
seen no evidence that you even know what you mean by the aether. Except
that it's this mysterious, even mystical thing that's not a substance,
from which fields arise.
Robert J. Kolker
Thhissux wrote:
> The following was origionally taken from keelynet bbs and obtained by myself
> through keelynet.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Aether01.asc
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Aether Engineering - a practical approach
> by Jerry W.Decker
>
> One of the approaches that KeelyNet has taken in trying to understand vast
> amounts of seemingly unrelated information has been that of correlation.
> Another is to look for primary claims or observations which could be expressed
> in other terms or using other concepts.
>
> The term KeelyNet reflects a reliance on the principles and concepts
> discovered by John W. Keely in the late 1800's. By no means is it to imply
> Keely as our ONLY source of information or inspiration.
>
> Another KeelyNet approach is the recognition that scientists, engineers,
> academics and other degreed professionals are not the sole source of
> inspiration or invention. To that end, we promote a simplified approach to
> science based on natural processes and observations.
>
> As a kind of primer, a file was generated early on called NEUTRAL1 which
> expressed the 'basics' of this philosophy. These basics have been expanded to
> include;
>
> 1) ideas about the aether
> a) it is omnipresent
But no one can detect it.
> b) it varies in density
But no one can measure it.
> c) it can be translated from one form to another
Never observed.
> d) it can be interferred with
Never observed to happen.
> e) it flows into, creates and sustains all mass and energy
No experimental evidence uniquely and unambiguously supports this view.
> f) it flows into a point which exists in all individualized structures
> (mass aggregates such as a rock or a chair, molecules which make up
> the aggregate, atoms which make up the molecule, quarks which make
> up the atom, etc.)
Never observed.
> g) it is the aether flow which produces gravity and its sister forces
> of electricity and magnetism
Never observed and the hypothesis does no produce an experimentally
distinguishable result that cannot be explained otherwise.
> h) it oscillates at a very high frequency and can be interferred with
> to produce energy, matter and phenomena
Never observed.
> i) a matrix can be generated to 'manifest' specific structures in
> matter based on E=MC^ yet not requiring high energy 'atomic
> processes'
Asserted but not shown.
> 2) frequency and wavelength
> a) everything oscillates based on its physical dimensions
> b) oscillation produces waves which can be interferred with in a
> constructive or destructive manner
> c) energy can be transferred via resonance from or to an oscillating
> structure or medium
> d) a signature or matrix of frequencies can be derived from any mass
> or energy structure
> e) a signature can be represented in two dimensions as a mandala using
> a vibrating (Chladni) waveplate
> f) a signature can be projected into three dimensions by use of an
> energized mandala
> g) resonance can be used to transfer matter or energy between points,
> dimensions or other quantum realities
There is only one reality and we all live in it.
> 3) gravity
> a) is NOT an attractive force
> b) IS a repelling force, most easily detectable between celestial
> bodies
> c) can be interferred with to produce
> 1) other forms of energy
> 2) loss of weight
> 3) negation of weight
> 4) positive thrust
> 5) a reduced aging zone for matter or life
Asserted but not shown. Basically this is psuedoscientific nonsense.
> d) weight is simply the result of being caught in the flow of aether
> towards the center of a larger mass
Absurd.
>
> The idea that 'weight' can be reduced by redirecting the flow of gravity is a
> radical one, yet there are ample indications that it can be redirected and has
> been done. We see it in the large, heavy stones used to build the pyramids.
> We see it in StoneHenge, Easter Island, the stela in Ethiopia and other
> megalithic constructions.
Truly crackpot. The pyramids were built by a lot of sweating people
using levers and inclined planes.
>
> In modern times, the Farrow device, the Nieper ring and Edward Leedskalnins'
> Coral Castle in Homestead, Florida. Leedskalnin claimed he had figured out
> how the Egyptians constructed the pyramids and proved his claims by
> duplicating the moving of large stones, single-handed.
Bullshit and psuedscience.
>
> There are also the reports of flying machines such as Keely's airship,
> demonstrated to the US War Department in 1896, John Searl's flying disk and
> more recently the Hummel disk in Canada. Not to mention Victor Schauberger
> and the Nazi experiments which culminated in the Kugelblitz flying machine.
There are also reports of witches on broomsticks. Go figure.
>
> Then we have the Airship sightings in the 1800's, in the United States and
> other countries, as well as reports of 'flying men' and 'bat-men' who flew
> through the air as if swimming. Charles Fort also collected some reports on
> these types of sightings of flying men and machines well before the advent of
> the Wright brothers.
Charles Fort was a fraud and a buncum artists. Fools and old ladies
believed what he had to say and write.
I am going to snip the rest of this bullshit because my keyboard is
getting tired.
Bob Kolker
Robert J. Kolker
Paul Stowe wrote:
>>
>>
>>Modern physics has no use for aether. The aether hypothesis has led nowhere.
>>
>
> Tell that to Maxwell amoungst others...
Maxwell may have believed in hexagonal wheels and idler gears, but his
equations are aether free. As Hertz once said, Maxwell's Equaations are
Maxwell's Theory.
Aether cannot be deduced from Maxwells's Equations.
Bob Kolker
Robert J. Kolker
Thhissux wrote:
>>Modern physics has no use for aether. The aether hypothesis has led nowhere.
>>
>>Bob Kolker
>>
>
> Bob your constent dismissal of aether doesn't seem to be getting any much
> either so please enlighten me to your understaning of physics.
We have very nice aether free theories which predict (correctly, so far)
we is observed and grounds our technology. We don't need no steenking
aether.
How such forces
> as magnetism, gravity, and radiation occur in your view. And don't just tell me
> how they occur but how they are carried from one point in space to another, or
> if i hear you right space doesn't exist.
Its magic and virtual particles.
Which may be hard to believe but it is still easier to believe than a
gaseas flud which is stiffer than steel and rarer than virtue is so
undense as not to interfere with the motion of planets but is jellylike
go so it can transmit transverse waves. And if you can believe all of
this, then I have a bridge I would like to sell to you.
Bob Kolker
>
Gregory L. Hansen
nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
>nightbat wrote
>
>Thhissux wrote:
>>
>> I know that this is the most underminded, misunderstood, and unbeleived
>> scientist but the greatest by a thousand fold (well maybe I embelshed
>a little,
>> actually prob. not) at the same time.
>>
>> Now I would like to know what you know?
>
>nightbat
>
> He was one of the brightest minds nature has produced. Sad they
>didn't understand his full genius and appreciate his total creative
>potential. The man was a science treasure and model warehouse of
>original new technology. Most of modern day life is presently owed to
>Tesla's practical innovations. They should have helped him produce all
AC current?
I like and admire Tesla, but come on now! I think you're obsessing a
little.
>the wondrous models he could make and argued about them later. What he
>said he could do could be taken to the bank. A mind of that caliber
>should never be wasted or embroiled with lack of funding or politics. So
>what if he was an eccentric, with a mental level that high who wouldn't
>be? He wanted to achieve commercial wireless transfer of electric power,
>{secured Patents for it and proved its practicality} and what could we
And when it's proposed to put a solar power satellite in orbit and beam
power down to Earth, people worry about the health effects and frying
birds that fly through the beam. Transmitting power by radio waves would
be lossy and eliminate wireless communications. There's a reaon this
scheme was never developed, and it's not because Edison hated Tesla.
>do with that now? Electric high pulse cannons, with pinpoint accuracy,
>with more destructive and cleaner power then the potential of the atom
>bomb. He was against use of dooms day power but within hours of his
No. And not least of all because the power has to be generated in the
first place. Are you going to get millions of tons worth of TNT in a
millisecond through the power grid? Bus bar accidents can rival small
amounts of chemical explosives, they don't level city blocks.
>death in 1943 his New York Hotel room safe was broken into by US agents
>and all his papers that even today some of which are still held as
>classified, and guess what, resultantly we had the bomb one year later.
So you don't know what he was working on, but it must have been good.
He was a cool guy, but he wasn't a messiah. And I'm not really sure what
science he did. Tesla coil and AC current and wireless power transmission
and Earth shakers and all that are really more engineering.
Robert J. Kolker
nightbat wrote:
> He was one of the brightest minds nature has produced. Sad they
> didn't understand his full genius and appreciate his total creative
> potential. The man was a science treasure and model warehouse of
> original new technology. Most of modern day life is presently owed to
> Tesla's practical innovations.
Tesla never got within a parsec of quantum theory. He was an atherist
down to his tonails. He also was an intuitive inventor, not a theorist.
At least none of the stuff he did could produce an atom bomb.
Bob Kolker
Eric Prebys
I should have qualified my statement somewhat. People who actually
know a bit about science and history *do* remember Tesla for the
things he actually did. My comments referred to the kook community
who zealously believe that he:
- invented a particle beam weapon.
- found a new source of energy based on "scalar waves"
- found a way to make things disappear.
- got his ideas from space aliens.
Eric Prebys
What "work" are you talking about? Tom Bearden hasn't *done* any
work. He's just a con man. He's been claiming the
existence of a perpetual motion machine (eh, excuse me "overunity
generator") for years, but somehow has never gotten around
to demonstrating it.
All his babble about "scalar waves", eg.
http://www.cronos-computer.com/catandogs/Scalar_Waves/scalar_waves.html
might work well on the marks, but anyone with even the tiniest
bit of technical knowledge realizes its just random technical
jargon strung together. Replace the term "scalar waves" with
"little magic gnomes" everywhere and it has exactly the
same scientific merit.
Gregory L. Hansen
Why do you think a mechanical model is more insightful than a field model?
We can clearly observe, for instance, electrical repulsion. And
transmission of a wave through a solid is explained as esentially a
quasi-static electric interaction-- the atoms don't actually touch, but an
impulse at one end causes a net electric force on nearby atoms. It's
amusing to explain that a mechanical disturbance causes an electrical
disturbance which causes a mechanical disturbance, but that multiplies
entities beyond necessity.
All a theory can do is explain a phenomenon in terms of more familiar or
primitive concepts that are not themselves explained. We have fields,
which are explained at a deeper level by virtual particles in quantum
mechanics, but ultimately we find the primitive that can't be further
reduced. You want that primitive to be an aether, but it will still be an
unexplained primitive, and will bring us no closer to "The Truth". You'd
still have to assume aether particles interacting by some new field. Or
aether particles of finite size knocking into each other like billiard
balls but with no explanation of their composition. Or aether particles
of finite size composed of point-like particles held together by some new
field interaction. Somewhere the model will break down into impoderables.
And that's aside from points raised by others, like detecting the aether,
or demonstrating that it's needed in theory.
There is a certain arbitrariness to theories, and I have no doubt an
aether theory can be made to work. Previous attempts have been theories
accumulating more and more auxiliary hypotheses, as Kuhn called them.
Like the Maxwellian aether, stiffer than steel. Oh, and matter goes
through it unimpeded. Oh, and light is dragged along imperfectly by it,
giving it a "drag coefficient" of 0.48. Oh yes, and it causes objects to
shrink in the direction of aether flow. And it was abandoned before any
hypotheses had to be made about its effect on clocks, and I don't know if
anyone even contemplated the requirements of the aether from the so-called
transverse and longitudinal masses of an electron in motion.
But there is that certain arbitrariness to theory because we can't peer at
the Cosmic Blueprints and see by what mechanism Nature REALLY works.
Nature is a black box, we can only build our own models and try them out.
In practice, scientists usually like the simpler theory, and the
Maxwellian theory is not simple.
Patrick Reany
"Robert J. Kolker" wrote:
Bob, I believe that most of these etherites are
not responsible for their ethermania. I believe that
most of them have brains that are hardwired
to believe in ether. Thus, we should not hold
them guilty of accepting this weak model. I
guess I sound somewhat sarcastic, but I'm now
inclined to accept this hypothesis as tenable
to some degree. Otherwise, I have no explanation
for ethermania. I preferred Beatlemania, myself.
Patrick
Patrick Reany
"Gregory L. Hansen" wrote:
> In article <3D1858D4...@home.ffni.com>,
> nightbat <nigh...@home.ffni.com> wrote:
> >nightbat wrote
> >
> >Thhissux wrote:
> >>
> >> I know that this is the most underminded, misunderstood, and unbeleived
> >> scientist but the greatest by a thousand fold (well maybe I embelshed
> >a little,
> >> actually prob. not) at the same time.
> >>
> >> Now I would like to know what you know?
> >
> >nightbat
> >
> > He was one of the brightest minds nature has produced. Sad they
> >didn't understand his full genius and appreciate his total creative
> >potential. The man was a science treasure and model warehouse of
> >original new technology. Most of modern day life is presently owed to
> >Tesla's practical innovations. They should have helped him produce all
>
> AC current?
>
> I like and admire Tesla, but come on now! I think you're obsessing a
> little.
>
The two people of the early 20th century
scientific community that I'd really like to
know personally are Einstein and Tesla.
http://ajnpx.com/html/Tesla.html
An interesting character of 19th century
science is Ignaz Semmelwies.
www.ajnpx.com/pdf/AJNP/jul93c.pdf
Patrick
Thhissux
>science he did. Tesla coil and AC current and wireless power transmission
>and Earth shakers and all that are really more engineering.
>--
>"For every problem there is a solution which is simple, clean and wrong. "
> -- Henry Louis Mencken
His Tesla coils were completely different from the ones so used today, these
ones are of another man who had researched Teslian technology. Tesla's coils
produced white streams on the order of sereral million volts but yet still soft
to the touch. His later technology started from his work with the EMP sent
across the electrical lines, he found that the EMP was constrained by the
electrical flow which followed the EMP. He tried to seperate the EMP from the
cluthcing electrons as to allow for no backrudh EMP allowing the EMP "field" to
continually expand to the surrounding space. This means was to be accomplished
by a/n automatic distruper that would continually disrupt the electrical flow,
once a distruption time occured as so the EMP could flow over the wire but no
electron movement occuring the EMP was allowed to spead out to the surrounding
space. As there required a certain impulse duration to allow the EMP to freely
flow over the wire there requires a specific impulse rates for the expanding
EMP to permeate other substances without interaction, or you could even induce
absorbtion or deflection from materials at other impulse rates (each material
with its own set of impulse codes to unlock the desired effect).
Once this was accomplished came his coils one wound from the origional EMP
inducing wire and the other with the same mass to mass ratio would be put
somewhere in the lab, this setup increasing the effeciency of the obsorbed EMP
across the material. This leading to concentrated beams of EMP which could be
made to pass through all objects but the collecting substance choosed. Even
getting to the point of utilizing the earth bombarding rays to produce power,
this being done by offering a less resistive path for the rays to travel as
opposed to the surrounding atmosphere and rock. He would pump rays in on the
earths one down stroke of the two stroke breath and using the manufactured
electrons from the ground, made by ray bombardments, to be released on the
second stroke using them to control the rat flow from getting out of control
and causing a ray avalanche eventually tearing away our atmosphereic gases as
the are transformed by the bombardment of the rays.
Now i have already mentioned in a post before that cretain impulses bring rise
to painful shocking stings while whorter ones flowing painfully free, well this
is where his "Death Ray" comes from, he utilizing directed pulses of his
Radiant EMP of durations to produce painfull efects.
As far as making stuff "disapear", it didn't disapear it was transferred, the
bombardments "unraveling" the material and carring the expelled energy as a
stimulated alteration in the ray flow. Later he developed this into where rays
were beamed at objects at impulse rates so as to break down the material and
have the altered wave with the materials stimulated info across bounce back to
the source and rematerialize it self. I have an article i've found on this that
will be controversial but even if false the author of has intertwined knowledge
of an incredible worth.
The following was origionally taken from a book, then posted on keelynet bbs
and gotten by me from keelynet.com.
The diagrams may not be reproduced well so for another it's in the energy.zip
located at the web aite above.
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The following is excerpted from the very strange Arthur Matthews book, 'The
Wall of Light', subtitled 'Nikola Tesla and the Venusian Space Ship, the X-
12' and claiming to be an autobiography of Nikola Tesla.
This particular anecdote is intriguing in light of ongoing interest in
teleportation, manifestation of matter from energy, transmutation and general
'aether engineering'.
Keep in mind that Tesla claimed that light, cosmic rays and some other
energies were in fact highly charged particles moving at tremendous velocities
(Tesla did not believe in Einstein's Theory of Relativity).
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Gold from Mars
Matthews claimed he had been in contact with a spaceship and its occupants and
that this X-12 spaceship carried him off to the planet Mars. On their arrival
on Mars, the two aliens (Frank and Frances) and Matthews disembarked and began
to look around, the quote follows;
...we walked toward a large group of rocks, but what rocks! Some of them were
about 45 feet in diameter, and thousands of them covered that which appeared
to be, otherwise, a large field, and in the far distance were a range of
hills. We walked up to the nearest large rock, which appeared to be almost
jet black.
Frank scraped away a layer of soft earth, and by so doing, disclosed something
bright. "What is it?" I asked. "Looks like gold," replied Frank. "Gold!" I
exclaimed. "Yes," said. Frank, "it is pure gold, but to be sure, let us test
it, shall we?" Of course I agreed, so we returned to the X-12 and obtained a
test outfit, something like the Tesla-Bridge, with which we soon proved the
rock to be pure gold!"
(So what is this Tesla bridge? Perhaps some kind of balanced resistor,
capacitor or inductor network to determine the element? Perhaps even a
type of frequency discriminator working on principles similar to nuclear
magnetic resonance?...>>> Jerry)
We then made a test of all the nearby rocks, and to our surprise, and delight
all of the rocks in the field were indeed, solid gold. "Well," I remarked,
"if we could bring that one big rock to earth, we would be the richest people
on our world. There is more gold in that one rock (pointing to the 45 foot
high monster) than in all of our world!"
(wouldn't that be a solid proof of ET contact....<g>.....>>> Jerry)
"OK," said Frank, "if it could be done, but as you know, it is not possible."
"I do not know any such thing," answered Frank. "It is not only possible to
transport all of this gold to earth, but I will prove it to you!" "Well
Frank," I said, "I have every reason to believe you, but it is beyond my
understanding, at the moment, just how you can do this. That is to move this
heavy mass, which must weigh many times more than your great X-12! I cannot
imagine how you can even place it into your ship. How long it will require to
break it into pieces small enough to lift into your ship, even if you do lift
them with a hoist through the hatch."
Frank laughed, "No my dear Arthur, we will not move one piece either by hand
or with our hoist. We shall first return to earth, and then, if you still
desire to be the richest man on earth, we will bring it right into your field,
without lifting one ounce.".....
After a bit of sightseeing.....
Frank decided it was time for us to get back to the X-12. We bid goodbye to
the six who had first met us, and also to a great number of others as we
walked the beautiful streets in this wonderful City of Light. Back on board
the X-12, on our long trip back to Earth the question in my mind was the gold
rocks which the Martians said we could have. I was wondering, would we be
coming back to Mars soon? And in what manner Frank would place that heavy
bold in the X-12.
To my question Frank said "Think well about this large amount of gold. Will
having all that in your possession keep you happy and in good health? Do you
know anyone on earth who has millions of dollars who is truly happy, healthy
and well? Consider it well my friend. The gold is yours if you wish to have
it, but in my opinion, nothing can replace your present well being, your good
health, and the joy you share with others. Therefore I want you to think the
matter over until we arrive near to earth. Then, and only then, give me your
answer."
Frank then left me to my thoughts while he went about the great ship. It
required deep thought. Few, if any, earth men had seen even one-thousandth
part of the amount of gold in that big rock. As the owner of it, I will not
trouble you with all my thoughts, except to say that I came to the conclusion
not to have the gold!
When we came within a few miles of the earth, Frank and Frances came to talk
with me. "Well," asked Frank, "have you made up your mind? Do you, or do you
not, want that gold?" In reply I found it hard at first, but managed to say,
"No, Frank, I do not want that gold, but I would like you to tell me how you
expected to bring it to earth, if I had said yes?" Frank said "Good thinking
Arthur, we are very pleased to hear you say that you do not want the gold, as
for the means by which we can bring the gold to earth, if you desire I will
show you. As it is still daylight, we will remain at this level, and during
our wait, which will be several hours, we might just as well set up our
machine, by which we can transport the gold of Mars right onto your property."
Frank grinned at me as we walked into the workshop on the second level of the
X-12. "In this manner I will show you that which I intended to do, if it was
your wish to have all that gold, however we are more than pleased to know that
you do not want it. But we shall, if you like, transport just a little of
that gold, to prove to you that we could, if it was your desire, place all of
it right in your field?"
Frank gathered together an assortment of things, tools and materials,
electrical parts, wire, condensers, ect., and with all these things, I helped
Frank to build a machine, a queer looking thing, which I thought was a very
large high-frequency generator, until Frank enlightened me to what it really
was.
"This," said Frank, "is the Tesla method of developing a microwave of great
power. Thousands of horse-power is by this means built into a tiny beam, of
less than one degree in diameter. By the power which we have on the X-12 we
shall operate this machine, when we land on your property.
(1000 Horsepower = 746,000 Watts)
The tiny wave, or ray, developed will be directed exactly to hit the desired
rock of gold. This gold rock, now located on the planet Mars, will be our
POSITIVE POLE, then by means of this Tesla device the power ray, or beam, will
be reflected from the gold rock, that is the POSITIVE atoms, and directed
towards this NEGATIVE POLE.
The gold is now broken up into its microscopic elements and becomes united
with the elements of the microwave and thus carried to the negative pole by
means of the reflective elements of the power ray.
The Tesla device is therefore a practical method of transmutation of solids,
that is the extracting ore or metal from a distant body without intervening
physical means." By the time we had completed the machine, it was late
evening, the X-12 completed the trip, and we landed around 10PM. We set up
the machine in our field, beside the X-12.
Frank applied the power and directed the Ray so that it would hit the gold
rock on Mars, then driven by accurate clockwork, the wave could be depended
upon to retain the proper direction, when once set. The ray was thus aimed
directly, as I have said, at the large rock of pure gold. With breathless
interest I watched the proceedings of Frank. The strain upon my poor nerves
was such as could not have been borne for many hours at a stretch!
When everything had been adjusted to his satisfaction, Frank stepped back and
pressed a lever. The powerful atomic engine, which he had built a few hours
ago, instantly responded. "The beam is set exactly in the center of the large
gold rock," said Frank.
Then we waited; a minute elapsed, two minutes! I could hear the beating of my
heart - the engine shook the ground - three minutes! Four minutes!
We were like statues with eyes fixed on the polished ball of silver, supported
by means of a high metal frame-work, which had a polished rod curved over the
top like a crane. This was in fact the pole from which the energy was
transmitted to the golden rock on Mars. Five minutes! "At last!" I shouted.
"Look! Look!"
The shining ball had become a confused blue in colour, and I violently winked
to clear my eyes. "At last!" The silver knob again changed colour, what
seemed like a miniature rainbow surrounded it with concentric circles of
blinding brilliance.
Then something dropped flashing into a dish set beneath the ball, another, and
another, glittering drop followed, and another, almost before a word could be
spoken the drops had coalesced and become a tiny stream, which, as it fell,
twisted itself into a bright spiral, gleaming with many shifting hues, then
overflowing from the dish.
The tiny stream gradually grew in size, faster and yet faster it flowed, an
interlacing maze of rings. After the five minute start, we timed the flow at
one ounce per minute. Frank said this could be speeded up to a much greater
amount. Frank let the machine operate for another minute, then turned off the
power and we placed the parts of this wonderful machine into the X-12. Frank
and Frances bid me goodbye with the promise of returning soon.
...and they left for Mars.....
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This book has several such anecdotes, all of which are intriguing to one
degree or another.
With regard to this particular story, it raises some interesting possibilities
because in nature, positive (high pressure) flows to negative (low pressure),
so it follows that if you could charge something up to a very high positive
potential, you might be able to cause it to emit tiny particles which could be
accumulated on a cathode.
Thousands of horsepower would probably go well into the megawatt range which
would be possible to generate with an atomic power source, although I wonder
about popping one together in a few hours. If the microwave transmitter was
tuned to the resonant frequency of the gold and at these very high potentials,
this story almost makes sense.
As some of us here at KeelyNet have been studying of late, the earth is
positively charged and the upper atmosphere is negative, on the order of
hundreds of thousands of negative volts.
My friend Guy Smith, informs me that Tom Bearden referred to something called
a MURRAY AMPLIFIER in a lecture Guy had attended several years ago. Guy says
he never found anything written about this device, but Bearden indicated it
to have been a matter transporter that worked instantly. According to Guy,
Bearden said that satellites had for some time been of sufficient number to be
able to image the entire earth from many angles.
A very bright flash was seen emanating from the United States and recorded on
satellite photos along with the time and position. At the same time and
exactly 180 degrees away, in a straight line through the earth, another
identical bright flash was seen in China. Bearden was speculating this to
have been a test of the Murray Amplifier. If you know anything about this
Murray Amplifier, we here at KeelyNet would greatly appreciate either a source
or photocopies of your information.
So, in the case of the Martian gold, we have a microwave transmitter, isolated
from the earth's positive geoelectric field and emitting a very high power,
positively charged, ELEMENTALLY tuned microwave beam through space to a metal
object on another planet.
One possible explanation is an altered duty cycle, where a return path could
be created by imbalancing the wave in its duty cycle, so that the negative
wave was of longer duration than the positive. The positive beam would expand
the mass (think of it as a 'slowed lightning' process where mass is normally
expanded very rapidly, causing it to explode) to produce the gradual decay of
the excited mass, the negative would carry back these highly charged
components to be received on a very highly charged negative pole.
Once the electronic transport process was begun, it would accelerate over time
as the waves began to permeate the mass to ever greater degrees, which could
explain why more gold flowed as time progressed.
In a way, the cathode can be thought of as a negative well or drain for the
returning positive energies, with those energies carrying the elemental
components that will concentrate and reform as the element on the cathode.
Another point was the color change, described as a 'shining ball...with a
confused blue colour' on the negative condensing ball, indicating either
heating or some kind of high voltage plasma because of the second comment,
'a miniature rainbow surrounded it with concentric circles of blinding
brilliance'. Gold and other shiny metallic surfaces have been described as
reflecting a 'prismatic' or 'chromatic' light.
There is another intriguing concept which relates to this subject. It deals
with the formation of elements as veins and nodes in the earth by the action
of 'telluric currents'. As far as I can understand this, it ties in with the
Chinese dragon currents called 'lung mei' which again correlate with both ley
and grid lines.
Something produces the signature of an element at a given location, probably
the coincidence of two or more energy streams either at a given frequency or
producing that frequency when these energies interfere.
Old European mines, particularly in Germany, were held within the control of
families over the centuries. Once the mine had been almost fully depleted,
the family would seal it off for a long period of time. After 50 or 100 years
or so, the mine would again be opened up, where they claimed the ore had
'regenerated' via the action of these telluric currents.
Since the 'nodal signature' of the mine seems to be tuned to the nature of the
element that is mined there, the idea was that these currents would transport
'free radicals' of this element (attracted by resonance) to the site, thus
replenishing it. The key to allowing this process to happen was to seal off
the mine to prevent any disturbing influences that would interfere with the
telluric currents.
I won't be able to do the crude diagram in the book justice using ASCII
characters and the description does not appear to match the diagram but here
it is;
this whole tubular section tilts up at about 45 degrees
\ _____
\ | |
\->| |
|_____|
positive / \ small positive
transmitter O \ _____ / toroid O transmitter
pole \ | | top / pole
\ | | /
\ | | /
\ |_____| /
\ / \ /
\ / \ /
\ | large | /
|--||--||--||--||--||----| toroid |----||--||--||--||--||--|
| dielectric | o | dielectric |
| insulating \ / / insulating |
| spacers \/______/ spacers |
| / | | |
| / | | |
| / | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| cathode | | | |
| attractor| | | |
| arm -->| | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | |<--possibly the |
(_) | | | negative pole (_)
(___) | |_____| (___)
(_____) | / \ small toroid (_____)
(_______) | \ _____ / bottom (_______)
earth insulator pads | \ / earth insulator pads
| \ /<--- condensing cone
| \ /
| O <--- shiny silver accumulator
| ...
\ *
\ o <--- coalescing gold drops
\ in a high negative field
\
\O <--- cathode attractor to create
tension field to accumulator
note : Due to the vagueness of the information provided in the
description, there are several possible configurations, though
I believe this one to be closest to the machine as described and
in the book drawing. The 'cathode attractor' and 'silver
accumulator' could be swapped.......>>> Jerry
Also note that sputtering and vaporization of gold is routinely done for the
formation of integrated circuits. The ping pong ball captured in a high
velocity airstream also might relate to this claim where the ionized particles
might be captured in the high velocity return/reflected beam.
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this is a side view
transmitter
O O transmitter
top end | /
\ | /
small toroid end | /
\ | /
\ | / /\
\ | / / \
large toroid \
/\ \ \
/ \ \ \
/ \ \ \ cathode attractor
/ \ \ \ <--- arm
/ \ \ \
/ \ \ \
/ \ tubular \ \
/ \ cylinder-->\ \
/ \ \ \ bottom end
/ \ silver-->O. \
/ \ accumulator . \ cathode
/ \ . O<-- attractor
/ \ .
_/ \_ .<--gold drops
(_) (_) \ . /
(___) (___) \ . /
(_____) (_____) \_________/
\ /
\ earth insulator pads /
The dual arms, being separated as they are, appear to be taking advantage of a
transmitter and reflector angle. The positive microwave beams charge the
target and that energy reflects back to the negative pole receiver.
Once reflected from the target, it is still a highly charged positive energy
but is now laden with the element that has been removed from the target. Now,
the material must be 'precipitated' by use of the negative collecting,
condensing properties of the cathode.
The end of the arm that originates from the central large toroid to hang out
in front of the accumulator, appears to be creating a very high tension
negative electrostatic field, probably oscillating at the frequency of the
gold element. This produces the coalescence of the particles into gold drops
as described by Matthews.
This is one approach to teleportation or matter transference which I've not
seen detailed to any degree anywhere else. Though this approach appears to be
slow at the rate of one ounce per minute, it only takes duplication of it to
prove the concept and make it subject to faster transport speed experiments.
These might be directly dependent on the focal point of the beam and/or the
distances involved.
In the case of large scale matter, some kind of scanned matrix might be a more
viable approach. Though there are indications that some kind of 'signature'
would be the most efficient approach to take. When we get further details on
the Murray system or any others in this area of study, they will be posted on
KeelyNet.
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Thhissux
>
>Bob Kolker
>
Your right the stuff he could produce was on the order of several hundred times
more deadly then the a-bomb. With his impulses he could, if wanted, induce
radiation at a distance contaminating objects placed directly in it's path no
fallout. He could , if wanted, completely dematerilize an object and let it be
evenly dipersed across the whole of universe in all directions. He could, if
wanted, disarm a-bombs or any other radiational object directly at a distance
with pinpoint persicion. He could, if wanted, pump aether streams of immense
potential into the Earth at an out of phased impulse rate to the Earths natural
flow and crack the whole damn thing in half. He could just set a path these
rays to come unresisted from space to the Earth and not control the oncoming
downrush which would continually get bigger until atmosphereic gases are
transferred directly into rays causing a worldwide rip of the atmosphere.
So again your right at least he couldn't add the a-bomb to his list of ever
growing potentials.
Thhissux
>AC current?
>
>I like and admire Tesla, but come on now! I think you're obsessing a
>little.
No ,not AC current, read some of my other posts in this subject and youll get
an idea of what.
Boris Mohar
Yes but could he make a something so heavy that he could not move it?
Robert J. Kolker
Thhissux wrote:
>
> Your right the stuff he could produce was on the order of several hundred times
> more deadly then the a-bomb. With his impulses he could, if wanted, induce
> radiation at a distance contaminating objects placed directly in it's path no
> fallout.
A lovely fairy tale. This his never been demonstrated. It is right up
their with disappearing ships. The Philadelphia Experiment is pure
fiction and hokum.
Tesla was an inventor, not a magician even if he did wear a Wizard's Hat.
Bob Kolker
Eric Prebys
Thhissux wrote:
>
> > And I'm not really sure what
> >science he did. Tesla coil and AC current and wireless power transmission
> >and Earth shakers and all that are really more engineering.
> >--
> >"For every problem there is a solution which is simple, clean and wrong. "
> > -- Henry Louis Mencken
>
> His Tesla coils were completely different from the ones so used today, these
> ones are of another man who had researched Teslian technology. Tesla's coils
> produced white streams on the order of sereral million volts but yet still soft
> to the touch.
Do you have any idea how mind-bogglingly silly that sentence is?
If you want to learn about science, buy a book. You've been
hitting *way* too many websites.
>> (...snip random technobabble...)
-Eric
Eric Prebys
nightbat wrote:
>
> nightbat wrote
>
> Thhissux wrote:
> >
> > I know that this is the most underminded, misunderstood, and unbeleived
> > scientist but the greatest by a thousand fold (well maybe I embelshed a little,
> > actually prob. not) at the same time.
> >
> > Now I would like to know what you know?
>
> nightbat
>
> He was one of the brightest minds nature has produced. Sad they
> didn't understand his full genius and appreciate his total creative
> potential. The man was a science treasure and model warehouse of
> original new technology. Most of modern day life is presently owed to
> Tesla's practical innovations. They should have helped him produce all
> the wondrous models he could make and argued about them later. What he
> said he could do could be taken to the bank. A mind of that caliber
> should never be wasted or embroiled with lack of funding or politics. So
> what if he was an eccentric, with a mental level that high who wouldn't
> be? He wanted to achieve commercial wireless transfer of electric power,
> {secured Patents for it and proved its practicality}
There is nothing mysterious about the wireless transmission of
electric power, and it's a hell of a ways from being "practical".
Leaving aside the health risks, it's so inefficient to do it
isotropically,
that it would only make sense if electric power were too cheap to meter.
> and what could we
> do with that now? Electric high pulse cannons, with pinpoint accuracy,
> with more destructive and cleaner power then the potential of the atom
> bomb.
This is based on some wild statements made by Tesla near the end of
his life. There is not one shred of evidence that he made such
a device, or made any progress at all *towards* such a device.
> He was against use of dooms day power but within hours of his
> death in 1943 his New York Hotel room safe was broken into by US agents
> and all his papers that even today some of which are still held as
> classified, and guess what, resultantly we had the bomb one year later.
Get your story straight, was it a "pinpoint electric cannon" or
the A-bomb.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Tesla knew anything about
atomic power, and if the governemt stole his design for a practical
"electric cannon", why is it that 60 years and untold billions
of dollars later, they still can't build one?
> The Nazi German Government offered him millions in gold and unlimited
> research facilities and honor for those papers and knowledge. He turned
> them down flat because he said electric power is cleaner and more
> powerful and his love for the American way of life he cherished and
> valued more. Commercial intergalactic communication with other planetary
> systems {claimed he was in contact with more advanced space societies}.
Which most would take as evidence of delusions.
> And he was humble, for he claimed his brother, who died early of a horse
> riding accident, was even smarter them himself. His vast advanced
> practical knowledge was too broad to even be able to attempt to write
> down completely, contemplate, truly imagine, or fully understand, as
> related by his coworkers and fellow science researchers. Einstein his
> friend, had the highest regard and professional respect for this giant
> of intellect. Tesla always argued that more powerful, controllable, and
> clean high voltage electric power would ultimately win out over, cathode
> ray induced, radioactive producing, atomic power.
What exactly is "cathode ray induced atomic power"? I have a PhD in
physics
and I'm unfamiliar with this term.
> These potential world
> destructive toys were in their Pandora's play box which both great men
> publicly had warned and fought against there misuse till the end of
> their lives and agreed should never be utilized against humanity.
>
> the nightbat
I think you should monitor the quality of the websites you rely on
for your knowledge.
Thhissux
>hitting *way* too many websites.
>
>>> (...snip random technobabble...)
>
>-Eric
I do read books, try looking at some books by Gerry Vassilatos, he explains
very well why coils that are termed Tesla's today are not at all the ones he
continued to use throughout his later radiant energy experiments.
Thhissux
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Monday, December 10, 2001
Countdown To Free Energy Speeds Up
Earth - In the late 1880's, trade journals in the electrical sciences were
predicting "free electricity" in the near future. Incredible discoveries about
the nature of electricity were becoming common place. Nikola Tesla was
demonstrating "wireless lighting" and other wonders associated with high
frequency currents. There was an excitement about the future like never before.
Within 20 years, there would be automobiles, airplanes, movies, recorded music,
telephones, radio, and practical cameras. The Victorian Age was giving way to
something totally new. For the first time in history, common people were
encouraged to envision a utopian future, filled with abundant modern
transportation and communication, as well as jobs, housing and food for
everyone. Disease would be conquered, and so would poverty. Life was getting
better, and this time, everyone was going to get "a piece of the pie." So, what
happened?
In the midst of this technological explosion, where did the energy
breakthroughs go? Was all of this excitement about "free electricity", which
happened just before the beginning of the last century, just wishful thinking
that "real science" eventually disproved?
The answer to that question is NO. In fact, the opposite is true. Spectacular
energy technologies were developed right along with the other breakthroughs.
Since that time, multiple methods for producing vast amounts of energy at
extremely low cost have been developed. Most of these technologies have not
made it to the "open" consumer market as an article of commerce, however. But
this is about to change
Many inventors have begun to publish their work, instead of patenting it and
keeping it secret. More and more, people are "giving away" information on these
technologies in books, videos and websites. While there is still a great deal
of useless information about free energy on the Internet, the availability of
good information is rising rapidly. Below is a short list of "free energy"
technologies that are proven beyond all reasonable doubt. The common feature
connecting all of these discoveries, is that they use a small amount of one
form of energy to control or release a large amount of a different kind of
energy. Many of them tap the underlying ether in some way; a source of energy
conveniently ignored by "modern" science.
Radiant Energy.
Nikola Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, T. Henry Moray's Radiant Energy Device,
Edwin Gray's EMA Motor, and Paul Baumann's Testatika Machine all run on Radiant
Energy. This natural energy form can be gathered directly from the environment
(mistakenly called "static" electricity) or extracted from ordinary electricity
by the method called "fractionation." Radiant Energy can perform the same
wonders as ordinary electricity, at less than 1% of the cost. It does not
behave exactly like electricity, however, which has contributed to the
scientific community's misunderstanding of it. The Methernitha Community in
Switzerland currently has 5 or 6 working models of fueless, self-running
devices that tap this energy.
Permanent Magnets.
Dr. Robert Adams (NZ) has developed astounding designs of electric motors,
generators and heaters that run on permanent magnets. One such device draws 100
watts of electricity from the source, generates 100 watts to recharge the
source, and produces over 140 BTU's of heat in two minutes! Dr. Tom Bearden
(USA) has two working models of a permanent magnet powered electrical
transformer. It uses a 6-watt electrical input to control the path of a
magnetic field coming out of a permanent magnet. By channeling the magnetic
field, first to one output coil and then a second output coil, and by doing
this repeatedly and rapidly in a "Ping-Pong" fashion, the device can produce a
96-watt electrical output with no moving parts.
Bearden calls his device a Motionless Electromagnetic Generator, or MEG.
Jean-Louis Naudin has duplicated Bearden's device in France. The principles for
this type of device were first disclosed by Frank Richardson (USA) in 1978.
Troy Reed (USA) has working models of a special magnetized fan that heats up as
it spins. It takes exactly the same amount of energy to spin the fan whether it
is generating heat or not. Beyond these developments, multiple inventors have
identified working mechanisms that produce motor torque from permanent magnets
alone.
Mechanical Heaters.
There are two classes of machines that transform a small amount of mechanical
energy into a large amount of heat. The best of these purely mechanical designs
are the rotating cylinder systems designed by Frenette (USA) and Perkins (USA).
In these machines, one cylinder is rotated within another cylinder with about
an eighth of an inch of clearance between them. The space between the cylinders
is filled with a liquid such as water or oil, and it is this "working fluid"
that heats up as the inner cylinder spins. Another method uses magnets mounted
on a wheel to produce large eddy currents in a plate of aluminium, causing the
aluminium to heat up rapidly. These magnetic heaters have been demonstrated by
Muller (Canada), Adams (NZ) and Reed (USA). All of these systems can produce
ten times more heat than standard methods using the same energy input.
Super-Efficient Electrolysis.
Water can be broken into Hydrogen and Oxygen using electricity. Standard
chemistry books claim that this process requires more energy than can be
recovered when the gases are recombined. This is true only under the worst case
scenario. When water is hit with its own molecular resonant frequency, using a
system developed by Stan Meyers (USA) and again recently by Xogen Power, Inc.,
it collapses into Hydrogen and Oxygen gas with very little electrical input.
Also, using different electrolytes (additives that make the water conduct
electricity better) changes the efficiency of the process dramatically. It is
also known that certain geometric structures and surface textures work better
than others do. The implication is that unlimited amounts of Hydrogen fuel can
be made to drive engines (like in your car) for the cost of water. Even more
amazing is the fact that a special metal alloy was patented by Freedman (USA)
in 1957 that spontaneously breaks water into Hydrogen and Oxygen with no
outside electrical input and without causing any chemical changes in the metal
itself. This means that this special metal alloy can make Hydrogen from water
for free, forever.
Implosion/Vortex.
All major industrial engines use the release of heat to cause expansion and
pressure to produce work, like in your car engine. Nature uses the opposite
process of cooling to cause suction and vacuum to produce work, like in a
tornado. Viktor Schauberger (Austria) was the first to build working models of
Implosion Engines in the 1930's and 1940's. Since that time, Callum Coats has
published extensively on Schauberger's work in his book Living Energies and
subsequently, a number of researchers have built working models of Implosion
Turbine Engines. These are fueless engines that produce mechanical work from
energy accessed from a vacuum. There are also much simpler designs that use
vortex motions to tap a combination of gravity and centrifugal force to produce
a continuous motion in fluids.
Cold Fusion.
In March 1989, two Chemists from Brigham Young University in Utah (USA)
announced that they had produced atomic fusion reactions in a simple tabletop
device. The claims were "debunked" within 6 months and the public lost
interest. Nevertheless, Cold Fusion is very real. Not only has excess heat
production been repeatedly documented, but also low energy atomic element
transmutation has been catalogued, involving dozens of different reactions!
This technology definitely can produce low cost energy and scores of other
important industrial processes.
Solar Assisted Heat Pumps.
The refrigerator in your kitchen is the only "free energy machine" you
currently own. It's an electrically operated heat pump. It uses one amount of
energy (electricity) to move three amounts of energy (heat). This gives it a
"co-efficient of performance" (COP) of about 3. Your refrigerator uses one
amount of electricity to pump three amounts of heat from the inside of the
refrigerator to the outside of the refrigerator. This is its typical use, but
it is the worst possible way to use the technology. Here's why. A heat pump
pumps heat from the "source" of heat to the "sink" or place that absorbs the
heat. The "source" of heat should obviously be HOT and the "sink" for heat
should obviously be COLD for this process to work the best. In your
refrigerator, it's exactly the opposite. The "source" of heat is inside the
box, which is COLD, and the "sink" for heat is the room temperature air of your
kitchen, which is warmer than the source. This is why the COP remains low for
your kitchen refrigerator. But this is not true for all heat pumps. COP's of 8
to 10 are easily attained with solar assisted heat pumps. In such a device, a
heat pump draws heat from a solar collector and dumps the heat into a large
underground absorber, which remains at 55° F, and mechanical energy is
extracted in the transfer. This process is equivalent to a steam engine that
extracts mechanical energy between the boiler and the condenser, except that it
uses a fluid that "boils" at a much lower temperature than water. One such
system that was tested in the 1970's produced 350 hp, measured on a
Dynamometer, in a specially designed engine from just 100-sq. ft. of solar
collector. (This is NOT the system promoted by Dennis Lee.) The amount of
energy it took to run the compressor (input) was less than 20 hp, so this
system produced more than 17 times more energy than it took to keep it going!
It could power a small neighborhood from the roof of a hot tub gazebo, using
exactly the same technology that keeps the food cold in your kitchen.
Currently, there is an industrial scale heat pump system just north of Kona,
Hawaii that generates electricity from temperature differences in ocean water.
(Condensed from an article by By Peter Lindemann, D.Sc. The full version is
available at: http://www.escribe.com/science/keelynet/m10192.html)
LIST OF RESOURCES:
Books:
* Living Energies by Callum Coats
* The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity by Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.
* Applied Modern 20th Century Aether Science by Dr. Robert Adams
* Physics Without Einstein by Dr. Harold Aspden
* Secrets of Cold War Technology by Gerry Vassilatos
Websites:
http://www2.murray.net.au/users/egel/content1.htm
developed by Geoff Egel in Australia. Best free-energy site on the net!
http://www.free-energy.cc/
developed by Clear Tech, Inc. and Dr. Peter Lindemann
http://jnaudin.free.fr/
developed by JLN Labs in France
http://www.1dove.com/fe/index.html
Jim's Free Energy Page in the USA
http://www.keelynet.com/
developed by Jerry Decker in the USA
http://www.xogen.com
site for super electrolysis technology
http://www.rumormillnews.com
excellent site for all kinds of alternative news, with many links
Patents: (most can be viewed at http://www.delphion.com/ ) This list is nothing
more than a sample of inventions that produce free energy.
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Patrick Reany
Thhissux wrote:
An old Illuminati trick.
Patrick
Robert J. Kolker
Patrick Reany wrote:
>>>
>>you would like equations, you must understand first, as do i.
>>
>
> An old Illuminati trick.
Oldie but Goody. H.C.Anderson invoked the same cop out in -The Emporer's
New Clothes-.
A scientific demonstration is the very antithesis of a mystical
revelation. One does not need "understanding". One needs facts. The
understanding comes out of the facts.
Bob Kolker
Paul Stowe
glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>In article <af8pdi$kel$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
>Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>In article <af8gm5$gu6$2...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu>,
>> glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>
>>> Unless, by "aether", you mean something different from a field,
>>
>>A field is a specific manifestation of the aether. Just like the
>>'temperature field' can be a specific manifestation of the steel
>>block. We can also define for the steel a density field, several
>>sonic fields, a stress field ... etc. In other words, while
>>fields are essential elements of the aether, no single one defines
>>it. Fields are subsets, components only, if one ignores this
>>essential aspect one can never achieve unification.
>
> Well, I haven't been following these discussions much lately,
> but I've seen no evidence that you even know what you mean by
> the aether.
What do you mean? I mean the aether is an actual physical medium.
It is in general of a solenoidal nature. It has a density, modulus,
a viscosity (kinematic only, like a superfluid), is compressible, and
being solenoidal, carrys transverse wave components while supressing
the loginitudinal. Both Maxwell's equations AND Schrodinger
equations are directly derivable from solenoidal vortex dynamics of
standard fluid theory. If you doubt the veracity of this references
to standard literature are available as to both Maxwell and Schrodinger
equations connections upon request.
> Except that it's this mysterious, even mystical thing that's not a
> substance, from which fields arise.
Of course it is... What's mystical is virtual particles. Now those are
down right religious... they have even less supportive evidence than
Maxwell's aether.
Paul Stowe
Paul Stowe
"Robert J. Kolker" <bobk...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>
>Paul Stowe wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>Modern physics has no use for aether. The aether hypothesis has led nowhere.
>>>
>>
>> Tell that to Maxwell amoungst others...
>
>
> Maxwell may have believed in hexagonal wheels and idler gears, but his
> equations are aether free.
No, they're not... Do you consider Maxwell an idiot?
> As Hertz once said, Maxwell's Equations are Maxwell's Theory.
No, they're not... No matter how much one trys to act like a cat.
> Aether cannot be deduced from Maxwells's Equations.
Ya got it backwards, Maxwell's equation were deduced from the aether model.
Paul Stowe
Bert Hickman
Actually, he may HAVE been reading some books - parts of his posting
sounds very much like they were excerpted from Gerry Vassilatos' book,
"Secrets of Cold War Technology - Project HAARP and Beyond"...
entertaining science fiction but hardly science...
-- Bert --
--
Bert Hickman
Stoneridge Engineering
"Electromagically" Shrunken Coins!
http://www.teslamania.com
Gregory L. Hansen
Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <af9pkh$kah$3...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu>,
> glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>
>>In article <af8pdi$kel$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
>>Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>In article <af8gm5$gu6$2...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu>,
>>> glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>>
>>>> Unless, by "aether", you mean something different from a field,
>>>
>>>A field is a specific manifestation of the aether. Just like the
>>>'temperature field' can be a specific manifestation of the steel
>>>block. We can also define for the steel a density field, several
>>>sonic fields, a stress field ... etc. In other words, while
>>>fields are essential elements of the aether, no single one defines
>>>it. Fields are subsets, components only, if one ignores this
>>>essential aspect one can never achieve unification.
>>
>> Well, I haven't been following these discussions much lately,
>> but I've seen no evidence that you even know what you mean by
>> the aether.
>
>What do you mean? I mean the aether is an actual physical medium.
>It is in general of a solenoidal nature. It has a density, modulus,
>a viscosity (kinematic only, like a superfluid), is compressible, and
And obviously has a rest frame, and from it things like the electric field
can be derived?
>being solenoidal, carrys transverse wave components while supressing
>the loginitudinal. Both Maxwell's equations AND Schrodinger
>equations are directly derivable from solenoidal vortex dynamics of
>standard fluid theory. If you doubt the veracity of this references
>to standard literature are available as to both Maxwell and Schrodinger
>equations connections upon request.
I would, actually, like to see Schroedinger's equation derived from aether
dynamics.
>> Except that it's this mysterious, even mystical thing that's not a
>> substance, from which fields arise.
>
>Of course it is... What's mystical is virtual particles. Now those are
>down right religious... they have even less supportive evidence than
>Maxwell's aether.
Well, you won't find me disagreeing very strongly with that. Virtual
particles are Green's functions that show up in perturbation methods of
solving relativistic quantum mechanics. Although some people would say
they really are particles, but I'll let them explain why.
Gregory L. Hansen
Maxwell's equations were determined empirically, plus the notion of a
displacement current. They were determined largely by experiments with
static electric fields and steady currents, which makes the prediction of
radio waves and Lorentz invariance rather astounding.
Russell Blackadar
>
> In article <3D186BF...@attbi.com>,
> "Robert J. Kolker" <bobk...@attbi.com> wrote:
[snip]
> > Aether cannot be deduced from Maxwells's Equations.
>
> Ya got it backwards, Maxwell's equation were deduced from the aether model.
What in blazes would such a deduction have to do with Kolker's
getting it "backwards"?
With logic like that, you could zap the circuits of an evil
alien computer and make smoke pour out of its head, like on
that Star Trek episode. So I grant you, it could be useful.
Keep practicing just in case.
Thhissux
>sounds very much like they were excerpted from Gerry Vassilatos' book,
>"Secrets of Cold War Technology - Project HAARP and Beyond"...
>entertaining science fiction but hardly science...
>
>-- Bert --
>--
>Bert Hickman
>Stoneridge Engineering
>"Electromagically" Shrunken Coins!
>http://www.teslamania.com
which has a paper written by tesla which better explains how he was doing what
he claimed to, but still in his "coded" form, this being entitled Tesla's
Papers. I've been trying to type them up to post but haven't got around to it.
nightbat
nightbat
Apparently Thhissux has done his Tesla homework well. Bob seems
unfamiliar with or without background access to the brilliant full
technology info of Tesla and the potential it presented. Yes, it was far
greater then atomic bombs since no radioactive fallout would be a by
product of its use. The knowledge of vacuum tubes that Edison started
was theoretically and practically advanced by Tesla while in and after
Edison's circa late 1800'ths employ. Edison himself said he never knew
the multitude of uses Tesla was finding for their application besides
just for lighting. Tesla discovered x-rays, radio, and micro waves and
played with them without regard for his personal safety for immense
reasons as a dedicated researcher. No coworker ever got hurt for he
always performed the initial experiments at a distance by himself first.
His discoveries led to the discovery of atomic and radio active
understanding, electromagnetic wave theory practical application, photon
plate emission theory, cathode ray tube, yokes, electronic vacuum tubes,
radio, TV, transmission of signal to receiver real time manipulation. AC
stepped up down sized cooler running transformers, motors, resistors,
capacitors, doping understanding, tube condensers, high voltage coils,
not to mention remote control, all precursors to his development of
Radio & Television and power needed for testing his scopes. His self
built logic circuit chassis transmitters and receivers with amplifying
vacuum tubes could remotely power anything. Wireless transmission of
power was his baby but kept the intricate principles always in his
perfect memory and photographic mind for protection against copiers. He
did Patent and disclosed the main basics and they chose to continue to
use old wired transmission over electric wireless and financially
blocked him due to the Edison established business forces. An Edison
campaign of misinformation was generated to hopefully further block him.
Can you blame him then for losing some faith after the AC Westinghouse
Niagara project contract success. The AC Niagara Project was so
successful and Tesla had used all of his own funds for its additional
success, that the Westinghouse Company now technically owed Tesla so
much money it found itself in the position it couldn't rightly pay him
without going into bankruptcy. Rather then see the American people go
without modern AC power versus problem plagued Edison DC power, he just
tore the contracts up. He was suppose to be the richest American
naturalized financial baron of the turn of the Century but always put
the US people first. Now after giving everything he had and finding
himself without research funds or any backing and despite all of his
fine education became unbelievably a ditch digger {no Welfare or Social
Security back then}. His life is an enigma of innovation, genius,
engineering and science enlightenment. He truly electrified the World.
For further info type Tesla in any search engine or study his many
Patents and historic newspaper stories. Many of his papers and
unpublished works are still considered classified. He now has a public
museum through which some personal insight may be ascertained from. I am
fortunate in that my Father worked along with Tesla's theories all his
life, and started with both wired and wireless radio, television, and
secret advanced military communications and operations. Don't just rely
on myth or public hype try doing a little research yourself. His truly
gifted mind and interesting life was in many ways so mysterious and full
of scientific leaps and accomplishment, it naturally attracts the sci fi
groupies or skeptics.
the nightbat
Paul Stowe
glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>In article <afb110$mbc$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
>Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>In article <af9pkh$kah$3...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu>,
>> glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <af8pdi$kel$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
>>>Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
<Snip...>
>>> Well, I haven't been following these discussions much lately,
>>> but I've seen no evidence that you even know what you mean by
>>> the aether.
>>
>> What do you mean? I mean the aether is an actual physical medium.
>> It is in general of a solenoidal nature. It has a density, modulus,
>> a viscosity (kinematic only, like a superfluid), is compressible, and
>
> And obviously has a rest frame, and from it things like the electric
> field can be derived?
The electric field is associated with charge and is not required
to be 'at rest'. While there is obviously a frame for every point
in the aether medium in which the observed Doppler shift of EM
radiation from a uniformly distributed and given spectrum (like
the CMBR) would be null. This is, by definition, is the
observational rest frame of any medium. However, that being said,
not other special status can be ascribed to the behavior of the
medium in this frame from any other.
>> being solenoidal, carrys transverse wave components while supressing
>> the loginitudinal. Both Maxwell's equations AND Schrodinger
>> equations are directly derivable from solenoidal vortex dynamics of
>> standard fluid theory. If you doubt the veracity of this references
>> to standard literature are available as to both Maxwell and Schrodinger
>> equations connections upon request.
>
> I would, actually, like to see Schroedinger's equation derived from
> aether dynamics.
Be advised, aether dynamics is simply an application of standard
hydrodynamics. For such, see Chapter 11, page 210 of "Vortex Dynamics",
P. G. Saffman, Cambridge University Press - 1992. A short quote,
"...This is the so-called cubic or non-linear Schrodinger
equation and, as is well known, its solutions are related
to those of a corresponding linear problem and a variety
of exact solutions are known."
This also seems related...
http://www22.pair.com/csdc/pdf/cologne.pdf
<Snip...>
Paul Stowe
Paul Stowe
Russell Blackadar <rus...@mdli.com> wrote:
>Paul Stowe wrote:
>>
>> In article <3D186BF...@attbi.com>,
>> "Robert J. Kolker" <bobk...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> > Aether cannot be deduced from Maxwells's Equations.
>>
>> Ya got it backwards, Maxwell's equation were deduced
> from the aether model.
>
> What in blazes would such a deduction have to do with
> Kolker's getting it "backwards"?
OK, from Newton's gravitational force equation alone, deduce
Le Sage's hypothesis... You can't... However, from Le Sage's
hypothesis one can, in a straight forward fashion, deduce
Newton's equation.
> With logic like that, you could zap the circuits of an evil
> alien computer and make smoke pour out of its head, like on
> that Star Trek episode. So I grant you, it could be useful.
> Keep practicing just in case.
Paul Stowe
Paul Stowe
glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>In article <afb193$t1p$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
>Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>In article <3D186BF...@attbi.com>,
>> "Robert J. Kolker" <bobk...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>>> Aether cannot be deduced from Maxwells's Equations.
>>
>>Ya got it backwards, Maxwell's equation were deduced from the aether model.
>
> Maxwell's equations were determined empirically, plus the notion of a
> displacement current.
Reference please. Please show how the 'notion of a displacement current'
came about...
> They were determined largely by experiments with static electric fields
> and steady currents, which makes the prediction of radio waves and
> Lorentz invariance rather astounding.
Maxwell depended heavily on Faraday's studies...
Paul Stowe
Gregory L. Hansen
Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <afb4f6$opm$1...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu>,
> glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>
>>In article <afb110$mbc$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
>>Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>In article <af9pkh$kah$3...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu>,
>>> glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <af8pdi$kel$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
>>>>Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
><Snip...>
>
>>>> Well, I haven't been following these discussions much lately,
>>>> but I've seen no evidence that you even know what you mean by
>>>> the aether.
>>>
>>> What do you mean? I mean the aether is an actual physical medium.
>>> It is in general of a solenoidal nature. It has a density, modulus,
>>> a viscosity (kinematic only, like a superfluid), is compressible, and
>>
>> And obviously has a rest frame, and from it things like the electric
>> field can be derived?
>
>The electric field is associated with charge and is not required
>to be 'at rest'. While there is obviously a frame for every point
The electric field doesn't have a rest frame at all! Charges do. But
suppose a uniform E in positive x, exerting a force F=qE. What's the
force exerted on a charge moving along the x-axis with a velocity v?
F=qE.
With an aether we'd expect something like F=F(v-v0), where v0 is the
aether velocity, like the current of a river dragging a canoe.
>in the aether medium in which the observed Doppler shift of EM
>radiation from a uniformly distributed and given spectrum (like
>the CMBR) would be null. This is, by definition, is the
>observational rest frame of any medium. However, that being said,
>not other special status can be ascribed to the behavior of the
>medium in this frame from any other.
>
>>> being solenoidal, carrys transverse wave components while supressing
>>> the loginitudinal. Both Maxwell's equations AND Schrodinger
>>> equations are directly derivable from solenoidal vortex dynamics of
>>> standard fluid theory. If you doubt the veracity of this references
>>> to standard literature are available as to both Maxwell and Schrodinger
>>> equations connections upon request.
>>
>> I would, actually, like to see Schroedinger's equation derived from
>> aether dynamics.
>
>Be advised, aether dynamics is simply an application of standard
>hydrodynamics. For such, see Chapter 11, page 210 of "Vortex Dynamics",
>P. G. Saffman, Cambridge University Press - 1992. A short quote,
>
> "...This is the so-called cubic or non-linear Schrodinger
> equation and, as is well known, its solutions are related
> to those of a corresponding linear problem and a variety
> of exact solutions are known."
Schroedinger's equation is a wave equation, so any wave equation will be
somewhat related. If he means what I think he means by the non-linear
Schroedinger equation, it's the Klein-Gordon equation obtained by applying
the energy and momentum operators to
E^2 = p^2 c^2 + m^2 c^4
Since all the terms are quadratic, the imaginary components go away,
giving
d^2(psi)/dt^2 = (del)^2 psi + m^2 psi
(box - m^2) psi = 0
Compare that to equations for electromagnetic waves, water waves, waves on
a spring, etc.
What makes it quantum mechanics is
operators instead of variables
commutation and anticommutation relations
the interpretation of the wavefunction
>
>This also seems related...
>
>http://www22.pair.com/csdc/pdf/cologne.pdf
I've mostly just read the abstract, but this seems worthy of the attention
of budding aether theorists. I don't know how hydrodynamic commuting
variables and density waves will fit in with quantum non-commuting
operators and wavefunctions, but this article at least suggests some kind
of rigorous development can be done.
But remember that the equation for waves on a string looks a lot like the
equation for the relativistic quantum mechanics of a massless particle
before reading a lot of physical significance into mathematical
similarities. I've said it before and I'll say it again, quantum
mechanics is just another wave mechanics. If you can picture interference
of water waves you can imagine how wavefunctions interact, just so long as
you understand how the wavefunction is interpreted.
Gregory L. Hansen
Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <afb4rs$opm$3...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu>,
> glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>
>>In article <afb193$t1p$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
>>Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>In article <3D186BF...@attbi.com>,
>>> "Robert J. Kolker" <bobk...@attbi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Aether cannot be deduced from Maxwells's Equations.
>>>
>>>Ya got it backwards, Maxwell's equation were deduced from the aether model.
>>
>> Maxwell's equations were determined empirically, plus the notion of a
>> displacement current.
>
>Reference please. Please show how the 'notion of a displacement current'
>came about...
Maxwell had an aether model in mind when he fixed up Faraday's equation.
But the problem is really resolved by noting that the divergence of a curl
is zero, and adding whatever terms are needed to the current side of the
equation to make it so. And that's exactly what Maxwell did, and the
mathematics didn't care what model he had in mind.
Paul Stowe
glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>In article <afdk3k$613$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>,
>Paul Stowe <pst...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>In article <afb4f6$opm$1...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu>,
>> glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
<Snip...>
>> The electric field is associated with charge and is not required
>> to be 'at rest'. While there is obviously a frame for every point
>
> The electric field doesn't have a rest frame at all! Charges do. ...
I think that's what I said. Charges create their own electric field.
I can't think of any time that an electric field exists without an
associated charge, can you?
> But suppose a uniform E in positive x, ...
Created by some net charge distribution, right?
> exerting a force F=qE. What's the force exerted on a charge moving
> along the x-axis with a velocity v? F=qE.
>
> With an aether we'd expect something like F=F(v-v0), where v0 is the
> aether velocity, like the current of a river dragging a canoe.
Why? Given that charges 'create' these fields, their movement would
affect the field's terporal distribution. Now, given a charge q
moving at v with respect to those creating the E field it is their
mutual fields interacting, not some rigid point particle. Field must
communicate with each other, and that's what Maxwell defined. It's
not like a river dragging a canoe at all, it's closer to a water wave
interacting with another.
>> in the aether medium in which the observed Doppler shift of EM
>> radiation from a uniformly distributed and given spectrum (like
>> the CMBR) would be null. This is, by definition, is the
>> observational rest frame of any medium. However, that being said,
>> not other special status can be ascribed to the behavior of the
>> medium in this frame from any other.
>>
<Snip...>
Yes, there seems to be a significant gap in the understanding of
many physicists when it comes to the particulars of fluid mechanics.
The topic IS non-intuitive, difficult, and in many cases simply not
amiable to closed solutions. It is a specialization in engineering
and requires significant effort. Since it isn't considered directly
relevant it not pursued in physics curriculums.
The only reason I have 'some' understanding of the topic was that
Rickover's Nuclear training did require it as part of its curriculum.
It alone was probably the direct cause of one quarter of the failure
rate from the program.
> But remember that the equation for waves on a string looks a lot like the
> equation for the relativistic quantum mechanics of a massless particle
> before reading a lot of physical significance into mathematical
> similarities. I've said it before and I'll say it again, quantum
> mechanics is just another wave mechanics. If you can picture interference
> of water waves you can imagine how wavefunctions interact, just so long as
> you understand how the wavefunction is interpreted.
Think about Maxwell's ring vortices, specifically, the thin filement
type. Each ring can vibrate like, exactly, a string looped around
on itself. For any given radius, r, you can have only set values for
the wavelength [L] for such. These are,
L = 2pi(r) minimum state (Call this n = 1)
L = pi(r) (Call this n = 2)
L = 2pi(r)/3 (Call this n = 3)
... etc. (Call this n = ...)
As you can readily see, only certain integer values of the
circumference are permitted. In other words, Maxwell's vortex
model is inherently quantized. Sound strangely familiar?
It should...
Then of course there is also the 'fat' filiment rings. These
have another oscillation mode in which a secondary harmonic
can circulate around the minor circuference as well are the
major one given above. This one like the the one above is also
inherently quantized based upon its corresponding effective
radius. Ring vortices (and vorticity in general) are extremely
complicated phenomena.
Finally there is the spheroid ring vortex (called a Hill Vortex),
and its behavior is simply a variation of the fat filiment type
discussed above.
In Maxwell's model, 'free space' consisted of a saturated lattice
of coupled ring vortices (see page 162, 183, 198, 203, 204, 205 of
"Maxwell on the Electromagnetic Field, A Guided Study", Thomas K.
Simpson, Rutgers University Press-1997). This lattice was called
a vortex sponge by Kelvin and behaves in a intriguing, inherently
quantum fashion. See also superfluid theory.
Just think about it...
Paul Stowe