Poem for Potter: Do not go gentle into real understanding of GTR
Sam Wormley
Do not go gentle into real understanding of GTR,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
Though wise men at their end know ignorance is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into real science.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
And you, fool Potter, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce blusters, I pray.
Do not go gentle into real understanding of GTR.
Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:Nvc%h.
98274$_c5.79058@attbi_s22...
Did someone say:
"The General Relativity Cult are circling the wagons?"
A word to the wise Wormley.
Don't give up your day job,
and plan on writing poetry for a living.
Sam did convince me of one thing with
the "rage and bluster" in his poom.
I will not waste my time trying to gain a "real understanding"
(Hypnotizing myself to see things that are not there.)
in astrology, mind reading, time travel, worm holes,
and other things that waste time, money and minds.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
(On General Relativity and bad poetry.)
--
Tom Potter
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Phineas T Puddleduck
Tom Potter <tdp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Did someone say:
> "The General Relativity Cult are circling the wagons?"
>
> A word to the wise Wormley.
> Don't give up your day job,
> and plan on writing poetry for a living.
>
> Sam did convince me of one thing with
> the "rage and bluster" in his poom.
>
> I will not waste my time trying to gain a "real understanding"
> (Hypnotizing myself to see things that are not there.)
> in astrology, mind reading, time travel, worm holes,
> and other things that waste time, money and minds.
>
> A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
> (On General Relativity and bad poetry.)
What words these are I think I know,
He blathers about GR though,
He will not read these words I fear,
Preferring to rage on it seems
All other posters think its queer,
To stop and read no meaning here,
Between the lines I read the words
And understand they're laced with fear
They often reply with a shake
To ask if there is some mistake
The only other sound's the sweep
Of the wind o'er the head of the flake
The salesman's lonlely, lost and asleep,
And GR is too hard to read
Miles to go before you see
Miles to go before you see.
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
The_Man
> "Sam Wormley" <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:Nvc%h.
>
> 98274$_c5.79058@attbi_s22...
>
>
>
>
>
> > DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO REAL UNDERSTANDING OF GTR
>
> > Do not go gentle into real understanding of GTR,
> > Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
> > Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> > Though wise men at their end know ignorance is right,
> > Because their words had forked no lightning they
> > Do not go gentle into real science.
>
> > Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
> > Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
> > Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> > Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
> > And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
> > Do not go gentle into that good night.
>
> > Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
> > Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
> > Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> > And you, fool Potter, there on the sad height,
> > Curse, bless, me now with your fierce blusters, I pray.
> > Do not go gentle into real understanding of GTR.
> > Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> Did someone say:
> "The General Relativity Cult are circling the wagons?"
No. Someone said, "Tom Potter is so ignorant that a literary allusion
to a well-known work will sail right over his head."
>
> A word to the wise Wormley.
> Don't give up your day job,
> and plan on writing poetry for a living.
Worked out OK for Dylan Thomas
>
> Sam did convince me of one thing with
> the "rage and bluster" in his poom.
>
> I will not waste my time trying to gain a "real understanding"
> (Hypnotizing myself to see things that are not there.)
> in astrology, mind reading, time travel, worm holes,
> and other things that waste time, money and minds.
>
> A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
"A mind is terrible thing to lose." Dan Quayle
> (On General Relativity and bad poetry.)
>
> --
> Tom Potter
>
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> - Show quoted text -
Tom Potter
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I am pleased to see that Puddleduck
continues to be a faithful reader of my posts,
and that he tries to emulate my poetry.
Whose words these are I think I know,
He uses paranoiac handles, and blabbers so.
He will not heed my words I fear,
he's doomed to remain a childless queer.
Here's hoping some day he'll get a job,
and not have to act like an immature slob,
in his compulsion to get an ego trip,
in order to avoid a paranoiac flip.
The elderly schoolboy is sad and can't sleep,
and like a low-self-esteem Usenet creep,
he has piles to throw before he sleeps,
he has piles to throw before he sleeps.
Tom Potter
> On May 6, 6:28 am, TomPotter<tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Did someone say:
> > "The General Relativity Cult are circling the wagons?"
>
> to a well-known work will sail right over his head."
It appears that "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
"is so ignorant because it sailed right over his head, "
that the thread
"The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons."
is one of the most active threads in sci.physics,
and it is obvious to anyone with normal reading comprehension
and intelligence, that I was refering to that thread,
because Wormley was "Circling the wagons."
Maybe, I should explain my posts so that the dumb
and the dense can comprehend them.
Of course, it may be that "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
hgas not read that thread, but if this is the case,
he should keep his mouth shut and not make an ass
out of himself.
Of course, it may also be that "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
feels that Sam Wormley is not competent to speak for himself,
and he can do a better job in whatever he was trying to do.
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
The_Man
> On May 6, 4:33 pm, The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 6, 6:28 am, TomPotter<tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Did someone say:
> > > "The General Relativity Cult are circling the wagons?"
>
> > No. Someone said, "TomPotteris so ignorant that a literary allusion
> > to a well-known work will sail right over his head."
So, in other words, the literary allusion is STILL sailing merrily
over your head, even with the hint.
>
> It appears that "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
> "is so ignorant because it sailed right over his head, "
> that the thread
>
> "The General Relativity gang are circling the wagons."
>
> is one of the most active threads in sci.physics,
So are the threads about IRT and 9/11 "truth", so I would not
dislocate my shoulder while trying too hard to pat myself on the back.
Most of the posts are kind but misguided souls, trying desperately to
educate the un-educatable (you and your legion of morons).
>
> and it is obvious to anyone with normal reading comprehension
> and intelligence, that I was refering to that thread,
> because Wormley was "Circling the wagons."
No shit.
>
> Maybe, I should explain my posts so that the dumb
> and the dense can comprehend them.
You ARE the "dumb and dense."
>
> Of course, it may be that "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
> hgas not read that thread,
It MAY be, but it ISN'T. I have read the thread - most of the same BS
you and the other kooks have been spouting for ages. Is it any wonder
that you have minimal science education amongst the whole lot of you?
> but if this is the case,
> he should keep his mouth shut and not make an ass
> out of himself.
>
> Of course, it may also be that "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
> feels that Sam Wormley is not competent to speak for himself,
> and he can do a better job in whatever he was trying to do.
Sam is quite able to speak for himself. In fact, he was able to goof
on you, without you even realizing it.
>
> --
> Tom Potter
>
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Phineas T Puddleduck
Tom Potter <tdp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am pleased to see that Puddleduck
> continues to be a faithful reader of my posts,
> and that he tries to emulate my poetry.
>
> Whose words these are I think I know,
> He uses paranoiac handles, and blabbers so.
> He will not heed my words I fear,
> he's doomed to remain a childless queer.
>
> Here's hoping some day he'll get a job,
> and not have to act like an immature slob,
> in his compulsion to get an ego trip,
> in order to avoid a paranoiac flip.
>
> The elderly schoolboy is sad and can't sleep,
> and like a low-self-esteem Usenet creep,
> he has piles to throw before he sleeps,
> he has piles to throw before he sleeps.
Too bad, you could not
originate your own prose
it shows your failings.
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
Tom Potter
After looking at pictures of John Biaz, Sam Wormley, and Jeff Relf,
and noting the handle of "The_Man <me_so_hornee",
and noting that other members of the General Relativity Cult,
like Art Deco, Puddleduck, Moortel, Gisse, T Wake, The Man, etc.
don't post their pictures on the Internet,
I think I know what the problem
of the members of the General Relativity Cult is.
As they are too ugly,
and too rude, crude, and insensitive
to get laid,
they try to impress the chicks by pretending
that they possess powerful, esoteric knowledge,
that transcends time and space.
In other words,
as they are ugly,
have no social graces,
and don't have enough money to overcome these handicaps,
(Because GTR Cultists live off the taxpayers and their parents.)
as crude, rude, insensitive, ugly, rich guys do.
they do the best they can,
and pretend that they are capable of playing God.
As there are no chicks desperate enough to buy this approach,
and have sex with an ugly, crude, rude, insensitive guy
with less than one million dollars,
these guys get "so hornee".
Of course, some semi-rational, semi-cultured GTR Cultists, like
Puddleduck
try to adjust by shifting the object of their lust,
but apparently that still doesn't work.
The best advice I can give them,
is for Gisse to get a board from tj frazir with a knot hole in it,
and the other Cultists to buy one of those blow up sheep.
Lust is a terrible thing to waste.
Somebody ought to give me a "5" on this post,
for spotting the problem,
and trying to help out these poor misfits.
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
The_Man
and beating off furiously?
> and noting the handle of "The_Man <me_so_hornee",
> and noting that other members of the General Relativity Cult,
> like Art Deco, Puddleduck, Moortel, Gisse, T Wake, The Man, etc.
> don't post their pictures on the Internet,
so that kooks like you don't pull a Cho on them
>
> I think I know what the problem
> of the members of the General Relativity Cult is.
They are intelligent and you are dumb as a rock?
>
> As they are too ugly,
> and too rude, crude, and insensitive
> to get laid,
by you?
>
> they try to impress the chicks by pretending
> that they possess powerful, esoteric knowledge,
> that transcends time and space.
I don't TRY to impress - I DO impress. I have a Ph.D.; wtf do YOU
have?
>
> In other words,
> as they are ugly,
> have no social graces,
"No social graces" = "doesn't kiss ass". I plead guilty as charged.
> and don't have enough money to overcome these handicaps,
> (Because GTR Cultists live off the taxpayers and their parents.)
> as crude, rude, insensitive, ugly, rich guys do.
I'm a chemist, not a physicist. Chemistry pays very well, and we never
need GR at all. SR comes up every once in a while, but not that often.
>
> they do the best they can,
> and pretend that they are capable of playing God.
How can you play a person who never existed?
>
> As there are no chicks desperate enough to buy this approach,
> and have sex with an ugly, crude, rude, insensitive guy
> with less than one million dollars,
There are, as a matter of fact - they are called "hookers". I am sure
you know about these porr women, because that's the only action you're
getting.
> these guys get "so hornee".
The "me so horny" reference is another one, alas, that you are stupid
to get. I'll explain this one to you. It is a line from "Full Metal
Jacket" by Stanley Kubrick. It is the first spoken line after "Gomer
Pyle" kills the DI and himself.
Does your brain hurt, like T.F. Gumby's?
"My brain HURTS!"
>
> Of course, some semi-rational, semi-cultured GTR Cultists, like
> Puddleduck
> try to adjust by shifting the object of their lust,
> but apparently that still doesn't work.
>
> The best advice I can give them,
> is for Gisse to get a board from tj frazir with a knot hole in it,
> and the other Cultists to buy one of those blow up sheep.
"Blow up sheep"? How many of these do you own?
>
> Lust is a terrible thing to waste.
>
> Somebody ought to give me a "5" on this post,
> for spotting the problem,
> and trying to help out these poor misfits.
Somebody ought to give you a large dose of Thorazine or Haldol.
>
> --
> Tom Potty
>
> *** Time Magazine Asshole of the Century 2006 ***http://home.earthlink.net/~tdphttp://tdp1001.googlepages.com/homehttp://no-turtles.comhttp://www.frappr.com/tompotterhttp://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001http://spaces.msn.com/tdp1001http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potterhttp://tom-potter.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text -
Tom Potter
I was pleased to see that "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
admit that General Relativity is of no value in his work,
just as it is of no value in the GPS system,
but I was saddened to see that he is trying to push drugs.
Unfortunately I cannot provide the "blow up sheep"
that "The_Man <me_so_hornee" inquired about,
but I suspect that they can be found using a Google search.
Regarding "The_Man <me_so_hornee"'s assertion that
he impresses "chicks" although he
"pleads. guilty as charged" of having no "social graces"
I think other folks would sure like to see a picture
of a "hornee" chemist with no social graces,
that can impress "chicks"
as they might want to copy his dress or hair style,
or something so they can also impress chicks.
I will be looking forward to seeing "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
post his picture so I can see what the "chicks" like in a chemist.
Sam Wormley
>
> I was pleased to see that "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
> admit that General Relativity is of no value in his work,
> just as it is of no value in the GPS system,
>
And applying GTR to GPS really sticks in your craw, eh
Potter, a $30B+ industry, creating a global infrastructure
benefiting people all over the world.
Bluster, Potter, bluster some more!
Eric Gisse
[...]
> > they try to impress the chicks by pretending
> > that they possess powerful, esoteric knowledge,
> > that transcends time and space.
>
> I don't TRY to impress - I DO impress. I have a Ph.D.; wtf do YOU
> have?
He has nothing.
He is a retired salesman who has spent his entire life selling
technology to scientists of varying sorts. He seems to think that
because he sold stuff to people, he understands how that stuff works.
My mostly-complete physics degree trumps his god-knows-how-many years
of experience selling things to people as far as physics is concerned,
and he has not yet, even once, been able to carry his weight in an
argument about relativity.
[...]
The_Man
Ever been committed? Ever seen the movie "Oldboy"?
>
> > > I think I know what the problem
> > > of the members of the General Relativity Cult is.
>
> > They are intelligent and you are dumb as a rock?
>
> > > As they are too ugly,
> > > and too rude, crude, and insensitive
> > > to get laid,
>
> > by you?
>
> > > they try to impress the chicks by pretending
> > > that they possess powerful, esoteric knowledge,
> > > that transcends time and space.
>
> > I don't TRY to impress - I DO impress. I have a Ph.D.; wtf do YOU
> > have?
Nothing? Thought so.
>
> > > In other words,
> > > as they are ugly,
> > > have no social graces,
>
> > "No social graces" = "doesn't kiss ass". I plead guilty as charged.
>
> > > and don't have enough money to overcome these handicaps,
> > > (Because GTR Cultists live off the taxpayers and their parents.)
> > > as crude, rude, insensitive, ugly, rich guys do.
>
> > I'm a chemist, not a physicist. Chemistry pays very well, and we never
> > need GR at all. SR comes up every once in a while, but not that often.
>
> > > they do the best they can,
> > > and pretend that they are capable of playing God.
>
> > How can you play a person who never existed?
>
> > > As there are no chicks desperate enough to buy this approach,
> > > and have sex with an ugly, crude, rude, insensitive guy
> > > with less than one million dollars,
>
> > There are, as a matter of fact - they are called "hookers". I am sure
> > you know about these porr women, because that's the only action you're
> > getting.
No response from you, so it must be true.
>
> > > these guys get "so hornee".
>
> > The "me so horny" reference is another one, alas, that you are stupid
> > to get. I'll explain this one to you. It is a line from "Full Metal
> > Jacket" by Stanley Kubrick. It is the first spoken line after "Gomer
> > Pyle" kills the DI and himself.
Don't like Kubrick? Like Disney better?
How about "Death of a Salesman"?
>
> > Does your brain hurt, like T.F. Gumby's?
> > "My brain HURTS!"
Tom Potter" "My brain HURTS!!!!!!" (while banging his head on both
sides with bricks held in each hand)
>
> > > Of course, some semi-rational, semi-cultured GTR Cultists, like
> > > Puddleduck
> > > try to adjust by shifting the object of their lust,
> > > but apparently that still doesn't work.
>
> > > The best advice I can give them,
> > > is for Gisse to get a board from tj frazir with a knot hole in it,
> > > and the other Cultists to buy one of those blow up sheep.
>
> > "Blow up sheep"? How many of these do you own?
Apparently, a whole flock.
>
> > > Lust is a terrible thing to waste.
>
> > > Somebody ought to give me a "5" on this post,
> > > for spotting the problem,
> > > and trying to help out these poor misfits.
>
> > Somebody ought to give you a large dose of Thorazine or Haldol.
>
> I was pleased to see that "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
> admit that General Relativity is of no value in his work,
> just as it is of no value in the GPS system,
GR is of great value, just that it doesn't really apply to chemistry.
It is very relevant, of course, to GPS.
>
> but I was saddened to see that he is trying to push drugs.
"Push" = "Prescribe"
>
> Unfortunately I cannot provide the "blow up sheep"
since you need them for yourself.
> that "The_Man <me_so_hornee" inquired about,
> but I suspect that they can be found using a Google search.
>
> Regarding "The_Man <me_so_hornee"'s assertion that
> he impresses "chicks" although he
> "pleads. guilty as charged" of having no "social graces"
> I think other folks would sure like to see a picture
> of a "hornee" chemist with no social graces,
> that can impress "chicks"
> as they might want to copy his dress or hair style,
> or something so they can also impress chicks.
Get your own chick tutor.
>
> I will be looking forward to seeing "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
> post his picture so I can see what the "chicks" like in a chemist.
Or rather, so you can pleasure yourself. No thanks!
>
> --
> Tom Potter
>
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Phineas T Puddleduck
The_Man <me_so_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I will be looking forward to seeing "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
> > post his picture so I can see what the "chicks" like in a chemist.
>
> Or rather, so you can pleasure yourself. No thanks!
Tom's "schtick" is to demand pictures/names off people - as a way of running
away from his own lack of believability
Tom Potter
> In article <1178575754.4...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> The_Man <me_so_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > I will be looking forward to seeing "The_Man <me_so_hornee"
>> > post his picture so I can see what the "chicks" like in a chemist.
>>
>> Or rather, so you can pleasure yourself. No thanks!
>
>
> Tom's "schtick" is to demand pictures/names off people - as a way of
> running
> away from his own lack of believability
No, Tom's "schtick" is to try to get the
roaches and rats to come out from under the woodwork
so folks can see what they really are.
Note for example,
that most of the sociopaths, flamers, spammers,
and Internet trash are annonymous cowards
who use handles like:
"Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere"
"Art Deco", "The_Man", etc.
Openness goes a long way toward
forcing sociopaths to act in a moral, civilized, honest way.
The government, Yahoo, Google and the ISPs
know who the sociopaths are,
too bad they do not make this information public,
as it would go a long way toward cleaning up the system.
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
Tom Potter
"The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178575754.4...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 7, 9:53 am, Tom Potter <tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 7, 2:18 pm, The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ever been committed? Ever seen the movie "Oldboy"?
>
>>
>> > > of the members of the General Relativity Cult is.
>>
>> > They are intelligent and you are dumb as a rock?
>>
>> > > As they are too ugly,
>> > > and too rude, crude, and insensitive
>> > > to get laid,
>>
>> > by you?
>>
>> > > they try to impress the chicks by pretending
>> > > that they possess powerful, esoteric knowledge,
>> > > that transcends time and space.
>>
>> > I don't TRY to impress - I DO impress. I have a Ph.D.; wtf do YOU
>> > have?
>
>
>> > > In other words,
>> > > as they are ugly,
>> > > have no social graces,
>>
>> > "No social graces" = "doesn't kiss ass". I plead guilty as charged.
>>
>> > > and don't have enough money to overcome these handicaps,
>> > > (Because GTR Cultists live off the taxpayers and their parents.)
>> > > as crude, rude, insensitive, ugly, rich guys do.
>>
>> > I'm a chemist, not a physicist. Chemistry pays very well, and we never
>> > need GR at all. SR comes up every once in a while, but not that often.
>>
>> > > they do the best they can,
>> > > and pretend that they are capable of playing God.
>>
>> > How can you play a person who never existed?
>>
>> > > As there are no chicks desperate enough to buy this approach,
>> > > and have sex with an ugly, crude, rude, insensitive guy
>> > > with less than one million dollars,
>>
>> > There are, as a matter of fact - they are called "hookers". I am sure
>> > you know about these porr women, because that's the only action you're
>> > getting.
>
>
>>
>> > The "me so horny" reference is another one, alas, that you are stupid
>> > to get. I'll explain this one to you. It is a line from "Full Metal
>> > Jacket" by Stanley Kubrick. It is the first spoken line after "Gomer
>> > Pyle" kills the DI and himself.
The question is
NOT where you got the idea,
but why you use the handle and email address:
"The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com>
Why not use your real name,
like honest, civilized folks do?
Tom Potter
"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178574462.3...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Gisse makes a good point when he points out that
although I taught at the seminar, college, high school,
service school, and tech rep levels,
I also sold instrumentation for a few years
for Hewlett-Packard.
And considering that I consulted on the
instrumentation of many scientific experiments,
such as attempts to measure gravity waves,
and was in business with the head of the
physics department at Washington University,
and was friends with JFK's Science Advisor,
and other foremost scientists and technical people,
I suspect that I know a little more about
the politics, funding, value, uses of, and limits of science,
than a high school graduate from Alaska.
Now here is my "argument" about "gravity"
that bends Gisse and other members of
the General Relative Cult
all out of shape:
After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
I noticed in the news in the last few days,
that the DNA model was recently used to develop
a new form of rice that will prevent 500,000 children
from going blind EVERY YEAR,
and was used to convert blood types,
and that people with rare blood types will have a safe
supply of blood in the future,
and was used to prove 10,000 accused rapists were innocent,
and was used to determine that chickens are closely related to
dinosaurs,
and to possibly save Anna Nicole Smith's baby from becoming shark
bait.
As can be seen Newton's, Maxwell's and the DNA model
are being used daily **in the free market** in "fruitful" ways,
while as can be seen from the recent Gravity Probe B reports,
General Relativity continues to waste billions of the taxpayer's
dollars
on experiments designed to rationalize it,
using numerous Classical Physics hacks to compensate for
electric and magnetic effects, friction, windage,
metal creep, pressure, the atmosphere, nearby masses, etc.
With a record like this,
it is not surprising that the General Relativity Cult is
desperate to make the false claim
that GTR was essential to the GPS system.
Face the facts,
General Relativity is a religion adopted by Atheists
to fantasize about things beyond man's capacity
to experience in time and space.
General Relativity gives insecure Atheists
a model (Religion) through which to
experience infinite time and space (Heaven).
(Worm holes, space warps, time travel, black holes, etc.)
Now I don't want to take away the fantasies
of the General Relativity Cultists,
as they need them to feel secure,
I just think there should be a separation between
Church and State,
and that the taxpayers should
not be forced to pay billions of dollars
to rationalize the General Relativity Religion.
Sam Wormley
> And considering that I consulted on the
> instrumentation of many scientific experiments,
> such as attempts to measure gravity waves,
>
Oooo Tom, I didn't know you believed in gravity waves!
Phineas T Puddleduck
Tom Potter <tdp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Note for example,
> that most of the sociopaths, flamers, spammers,
> and Internet trash are annonymous cowards
> who use handles like:
> "Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere"
> "Art Deco", "The_Man", etc.
>
> Openness goes a long way toward
> forcing sociopaths to act in a moral, civilized, honest way.
>
> The government, Yahoo, Google and the ISPs
> know who the sociopaths are,
> too bad they do not make this information public,
> as it would go a long way toward cleaning up the system.
How do we know Tom Potter is your REAL name, coward?
Tom Potter
wrote:
> In article <1178633420.927797.135...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> Tom Potter<tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Note for example,
> > that most of the sociopaths, flamers, spammers,
> > and Internet trash are annonymous cowards
> > who use handles like:
> > "Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere"
> > "Art Deco", "The_Man", etc.
>
> > Openness goes a long way toward
> > forcing sociopaths to act in a moral, civilized, honest way.
>
> > The government, Yahoo, Google and the ISPs
> > know who the sociopaths are,
> > too bad they do not make this information public,
> > as it would go a long way toward cleaning up the system.
>
As can be determined by any person
with average intelligence,
I have been posting using my real name for over ten years on the
Internet, and many more years before that on CompuServe, Delphi, AOL,
Prodigy, Genie, etc.
And there are many pictures of me and my family
on my web sites and blogs,
and if that isn't enough to convince some dunce,
they can download my Physics Tutorial,
which is copyrighted in my name,
and if that isn't enough to convince some dunce,
they can send money to my Paypal account.
It's pretty easy to spot the cowardly,
low-self-esteem neurotics, they use handles like
"Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere",
and they spam the newsgroups with inane posts
attacking folks in an effort to get a cheap ego trip.
I can't understand why the antisocial misfits
give up trying to **earn** ego trips,
and define themselves as permanent losers,
with their anti-social behavior.
There are an infinite numbers of ways
to earn ego trips, and one does not have
to become anti-social because they haven't succeeded
in the usual ways. (Love, business, athletics, art, etc.)
The_Man
> On May 8, 6:09 pm, Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <1178633420.927797.135...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> > Tom Potter<tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Note for example,
> > > that most of the sociopaths, flamers, spammers,
> > > and Internet trash are annonymous cowards
> > > who use handles like:
> > > "Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere"
> > > "Art Deco", "The_Man", etc.
Only if they are smarter than you. Shit, I forgot, EVERYBODY's smarter
than you. My bad.
>
> > > Openness goes a long way toward
> > > forcing sociopaths to act in a moral, civilized, honest way.
Openness also allows creeps like you to stalk people. I bet your last
name is really "Cho".
>
> > > The government, Yahoo, Google and the ISPs
> > > know who the sociopaths are,
That would be you.
> > > too bad they do not make this information public,
> > > as it would go a long way toward cleaning up the system.
>
> > How do we knowTom Potter is your REAL name, coward?
>
> As can be determined by any person
> with average intelligence,
Therefore, a genius compared to you.
> I have been posting using my real name for over ten years on the
> Internet, and many more years before that on CompuServe, Delphi, AOL,
> Prodigy, Genie, etc.
Big fucking whoop.
>
> And there are many pictures of me and my family
> on my web sites and blogs,
Anybody can set up a free blog or website.
> and if that isn't enough to convince some dunce,
convince YOU?
> they can download my Physics Tutorial,
> which is copyrighted in my name,
Which could be an alias. Is you birth certificate and fingerprints and
social security card and driver's license and passport photo there?
> and if that isn't enough to convince some dunce,
> they can send money to my Paypal account.
How about just stick my foot up your ass.
>
> It's pretty easy to spot the cowardly,
> low-self-esteem neurotics, they use handles like
> "Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere",
> and they spam the newsgroups with inane posts
> attacking folks in an effort to get a cheap ego trip.
Blah, blah, blah. Do you want a cookie?
>
> I can't understand
physics? math? science? supply and demand? genetics?
> why the antisocial misfits
> give up trying to **earn** ego trips,
> and define themselves as permanent losers,
Like retired salemen?
I've got a PhD., asshole. That makes me a winner and you dog crap I
whipe off my shoe.
> with their anti-social behavior.
>
> There are an infinite numbers of ways
aleph null infinite, or 2 ^ aleph null infinite?
> to earn ego trips, and one does not have
> to become anti-social because they haven't succeeded
> in the usual ways. (Love, business, athletics, art, etc.)
I get laid more than you do.
>
> --
> Tom Potter
>
> *** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***http://home.earthlink.net/~tdphttp://tdp1001.googlepages.com/homehttp://no-turtles.comhttp://www.frappr.com/tompotterhttp://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001http://spaces.msn.com/tdp1001http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potterhttp://tom-potter.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text -
The_Man
> "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Why not use your real name,
> like honest, civilized folks do?
Because I don't want some lunatic piece of shit kook from the
Internet, like you, to pull a Cho on me. If some loser-retired
salesman-crazy came around to where I work or live, I'd have to
"terminate" them,"with extreme prejudice." Which I am quite capable of
doing, but that would give me a lot of unnecessary hassle.
Go fucking stalk somebody else, shithead.
>
> --
> Tom Potter
>
> *** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***http://home.earthlink.net/~tdphttp://tdp1001.googlepages.com/homehttp://no-turtles.comhttp://www.frappr.com/tompotterhttp://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001http://spaces.msn.com/tdp1001http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potterhttp://tom-potter.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text -
Phineas T Puddleduck
The_Man <me_so_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 8, 12:06 pm, Tom Potter <tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 8, 6:09 pm, Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <1178633420.927797.135...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Tom Potter<tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Note for example,
> > > > that most of the sociopaths, flamers, spammers,
> > > > and Internet trash are annonymous cowards
> > > > who use handles like:
> > > > "Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere"
> > > > "Art Deco", "The_Man", etc.
>
> Only if they are smarter than you. Shit, I forgot, EVERYBODY's smarter
> than you. My bad.
I love how Pitter is throwing up a big sign saying "Kick me". Perhaps living in
China for too long has made him forget about issues such as free speech.
Sam Wormley
>
> And there are many pictures of me and my family
> on my web sites and blogs,
> and if that isn't enough to convince some dunce,
> they can download my Physics Tutorial,...
Potter, your "Physics Tutorial" is a piece of shit.
The content is physically wrong!
Eric Gisse
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178574462.3...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 7, 4:18 am, The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > [...]
>
> >> > they try to impress the chicks by pretending
> >> > that they possess powerful, esoteric knowledge,
> >> > that transcends time and space.
>
> >> I don't TRY to impress - I DO impress. I have a Ph.D.; wtf do YOU
> >> have?
>
> > He has nothing.
>
> > He is a retired salesman who has spent his entire life selling
> > technology to scientists of varying sorts. He seems to think that
> > because he sold stuff to people, he understands how that stuff works.
>
> > My mostly-complete physics degree trumps his god-knows-how-many years
> > of experience selling things to people as far as physics is concerned,
> > and he has not yet, even once, been able to carry his weight in an
> > argument about relativity.
>
> Gisse makes a good point when he points out that
> although I taught at the seminar, college, high school,
> service school, and tech rep levels,
I pity your former students and hope no serious damage was done
because you don't know _anything_ about physics.
> I also sold instrumentation for a few years
> for Hewlett-Packard.
>
> And considering that I consulted on the
> instrumentation of many scientific experiments,
> such as attempts to measure gravity waves,
Bullshit you did. Selling equipment is not _consulting_, it is
salesmanship.
Your abject inability to understand general relativity is evidence
enough that you never did one bit of technical work for a
gravitational wave observatory.
[snip rest of whining about 'taxpayers']
You aren't even an American taxpayer, you intellectually dishonest
piece of shit. You are living in China, off of money that you earned
selling to the very scientists which you repeatedly criticize. If you
had any moral backbone, you would return the money - or better yet,
you would have never have taken the jobs in the first place.
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:N900i.
103044$_c5.2105@attbi_s22...
I used to believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny,
"gravity waves" and General Relativity,
but as I gained more experience,
I begin to see that people create all kinds of fictions for various
reasons,
some good, some bad.
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see that Gisse,
a high school graduate from Alaska,
who wants his parents and the taxpayers
to buy him a credential
that will give him a ticket to live off the taxpayers
for the rest of his life,
and not have to produce anything of value
calls me "intellectually dishonest"
because I point out that General Relativity
is a Religion, and a Tower of Babel,
that generates more heat than light,
and like all religions, wastes time, money and minds,
on pursuits beyond man's capacity to ever experience
in time and space.
Things like heaven, hell, time travel, worm holes,
space warping to other worlds, black holes,
the beginning and the end of the universe, etc.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Tom Potter
> On May 8, 12:06 pm, Tom Potter <tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 8, 6:09 pm, Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <1178633420.927797.135...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Tom Potter<tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Note for example,
>> > > that most of the sociopaths, flamers, spammers,
>> > > and Internet trash are annonymous cowards
>> > > who use handles like:
>> > > "Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere"
>> > > "Art Deco", "The_Man", etc.
>
> Only if they are smarter than you. Shit, I forgot, EVERYBODY's smarter
> than you. My bad.
>
>>
>> > > forcing sociopaths to act in a moral, civilized, honest way.
>
> Openness also allows creeps like you to stalk people. I bet your last
> name is really "Cho".
>
>>
>> > > The government, Yahoo, Google and the ISPs
>> > > know who the sociopaths are,
>
> That would be you.
>
>> > > too bad they do not make this information public,
>> > > as it would go a long way toward cleaning up the system.
>>
>> > How do we knowTom Potter is your REAL name, coward?
>>
>> As can be determined by any person
>> with average intelligence,
>
> Therefore, a genius compared to you.
>
>> I have been posting using my real name for over ten years on the
>> Internet, and many more years before that on CompuServe, Delphi, AOL,
>> Prodigy, Genie, etc.
>
> Big fucking whoop.
>
>>
>> on my web sites and blogs,
>
>
>
>
>> they can download my Physics Tutorial,
>> which is copyrighted in my name,
>
> Which could be an alias. Is you birth certificate and fingerprints and
> social security card and driver's license and passport photo there?
>
>
> How about just stick my foot up your ass.
>
>> It's pretty easy to spot the cowardly,
>> low-self-esteem neurotics, they use handles like
>> "Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere",
>> and they spam the newsgroups with inane posts
>> attacking folks in an effort to get a cheap ego trip.
>
> Blah, blah, blah. Do you want a cookie?
>
>>
>> I can't understand
>
> physics? math? science? supply and demand? genetics?
>
>> why the antisocial misfits
>> give up trying to **earn** ego trips,
>> and define themselves as permanent losers,
>
> Like retired salemen?
> I've got a PhD., asshole. That makes me a winner and you dog crap I
> whipe off my shoe.
When I read a "The_Man" post,
I am always reminded of the movie where
Rodney Dangerfield is cleaning the cages of monkeys
used in a communications experiment.
He scrunched his nose and said:
"I think they should first teach them how to go the the bathroom."
It seems to me that the first things that should be taught
to PhD candidates is how to spell,
and how to conduct themselves is a rational, civilized manner,
and how to go to the bathroom.
Most schools won't sell a PhD credential
to a person that reflects badly on the school,
as it would make the school look bad,
and they would have to discount their fees.
Maybe "The_Man" got his PhD credential out of a Cracker Jack box.
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:w860i.
42798$n_.14177@attbi_s21...
I am surprised to see that Sam Wormley
calls a graphics-oriented "Physics Tutorial"
that develops a unique " Physical Properties Chart",
that shows all the relationships between the physical properties
much as the Periodic Chart shows the relationships
between the elements is "a piece of shit."
Apparently, Sam is not aware that
Maxwell observed that a measurement
consisted of two parts, a standard quantity,
and the number of "units" of the standard quantity
that it took to quantize the measurement,
and that Maxwell went on to determine
that all of the physical properties observed ,
and all of the new electrical properties being observed by
people like Faraday, could be defined in terms of
three so-called "fundamental properties"
and a couple of constants,
Maxwell used time, del factor (Three-dimensional space),
and mass as his three "fundamental properties"
and used the permeability and permittivity of space
as his constants.
Today we call Maxwell's model "Dimensional Analysis",
and it is the standard against which ALL models of physics
MUST be measured. If a model does not fit
Maxwell's dimensions, it is not physics.
Maths are tools,
Units are politics.
Dimensional Analysis is physics.
I am sad that Sam and many people
have been conditioned to think that
a particular math expression,
or some laundry list of math expression,
is physics,
and that "Dimensional Analysis"
is "a piece of shit."
As the old saying goes:
"To a man a hammer,
everything looks like a nail."
"To a farm boy with a shovel,
everything looks like "shit".
Sam Wormley
>
> I used to believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny...
You were more naive as a kid the my sister and me, Potter. Now as
to GTR... what a wonderfully productive theory of gravitation that
has turned out to be. We can apply it to satellite clocks and it
predicts the correct offsets required for high accuracy.
Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html
Sam Wormley
>
> I am surprised to see that Sam Wormley
> calls a graphics-oriented "Physics Tutorial"
> that develops a unique " Physical Properties Chart",
> that shows all the relationships between the physical properties
> much as the Periodic Chart shows the relationships
> between the elements is "a piece of shit."
>
Because it is wrong!
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see
that "The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com>,
who follows me around,
reads all of my posts,
gets all bent out of shape,
and is compelled to mount vulgar, emotional, immature
attacks on the messenger, rather than addressing the message
in a rational, intelligent, civilized, moral way,
states: "Go fucking stalk somebody else, shithead."
The fact of the matter is,
that if "The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com>,
crawled back into his rat hole,
and quit "stalking" me,
I wouldn't even know the clown existed.
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
Sam Wormley
>
> because I point out that General Relativity
> is a Religion, and a Tower of Babel,
> that generates more heat than light,
> and like all religions, wastes time, money and minds,
> on pursuits beyond man's capacity to ever experience
> in time and space.
>
Potter is wrong again--GTR is a *scientific theory* of gravitation
that is falsifiable as is any scientific theory. There has never
been an observation that has contradicted a prediction of GTR. It
is a wonderfully fruitful tool.
GTR has directly contributed to a $30B+ industry, creating a global
infrastructure benefiting people all over the world. Aviation,
shipping, asset management, survey, mining, agriculture, time
dissemination, communications networks... and on and on!
Sam Wormley
>
> It is interesting to see [substitute any reader], who follows me around,
> reads all of my posts...
Potter has dilutions that because people read his posting in a public
forum, that he is being fallowed around! Potter seldom posts anything
to do with physics, as he gets his nose bloodied by people who actually
know some physics.
Bluster on, Potter, bluster some more!
Tom Potter
> In article <1178652570....@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> The_Man <me_so_h...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 8, 12:06 pm, Tom Potter <tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On May 8, 6:09 pm, Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > In article <1178633420.927797.135...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>> > > Tom Potter<tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > Note for example,
>> > > > that most of the sociopaths, flamers, spammers,
>> > > > and Internet trash are annonymous cowards
>> > > > who use handles like:
>> > > > "Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere"
>> > > > "Art Deco", "The_Man", etc.
>>
>> Only if they are smarter than you. Shit, I forgot, EVERYBODY's smarter
>> than you. My bad.
>
> I love how Pitter is throwing up a big sign saying "Kick me". Perhaps living in
> China for too long has made him forget about issues such as free speech.
It is interesting to see that Puddleduck
equates spamming scores of newsgroups
with hundreds inane, contentless posts
trying to get five dupes to vote his targets
for some stupid alt.kook award,
and following his superiors around,
and make cute little remarks,
to "free speech".
I equate what Puddleduck does
more with the babbling of a low self-esteem manic-depressive clown,
in search of cheap ego trips.
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
Eric Gisse
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:
>
Yes, Tom. I graduated from high school. In about a year, I'll have a
degree in physics to go with it.
How about you? You ever participate in higher education as a student
rather than a poorly-equipped teacher?
>
> who wants his parents and the taxpayers
> to buy him a credential
I'm paying for my degree, asshole.
>
> that will give him a ticket to live off the taxpayers
> for the rest of his life,
> and not have to produce anything of value
What have _YOU_ produced?
C'mon Tom - let's see the fruits of your labor. In all your life, have
you produced one tangible product? Have you done even one useful thing
that you can point to and be proud of?
[snip remaining intellectual dishonesty]
Y.Porat
> DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO REAL UNDERSTANDING OF GTR
>
> Do not go gentle into real understanding of GTR,
> Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
> Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> Though wise men at their end know ignorance is right,
> Because their words had forked no lightning they
> Do not go gentle into real science.
>
> Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
> Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
> Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
> And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
> Do not go gentle into that good night.
>
> Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
> Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
> Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> And you, fool Potter, there on the sad height,
> Curse, bless, me now with your fierce blusters, I pray.
> Do not go gentle into real understanding of GTR.
> Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
--------------
and yet you Wormley call youself a sciemtist ?? (:-)
you could get the Oscar award!!
may be you could be a good cunductor of an orcestra
or may be a conductor on a train??
Y.Porat
-----------------------------
Y.Porat
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Sam Wormley" <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:Nvc%h.
>
> > 98274$_c5.79058@attbi_s22...
>
> > > DO NOT GO GENTLE INTO REAL UNDERSTANDING OF GTR
>
> > > Do not go gentle into real understanding of GTR,
> > > Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
> > > Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> > > Though wise men at their end know ignorance is right,
> > > Because their words had forked no lightning they
> > > Do not go gentle into real science.
>
> > > Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
> > > Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
> > > Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> > > Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
> > > And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
> > > Do not go gentle into that good night.
>
> > > Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
> > > Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
> > > Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> > > And you, fool Potter, there on the sad height,
> > > Curse, bless, me now with your fierce blusters, I pray.
> > > Do not go gentle into real understanding of GTR.
> > > Rage and bluster against the understanding of GTR.
>
> > "The General Relativity Cult are circling the wagons?"
>
> to a well-known work will sail right over his head."
>
>
>
> > Don't give up your day job,
> > and plan on writing poetry for a living.
>
> Worked out OK for Dylan Thomas
>
>
>
> > Sam did convince me of one thing with
> > the "rage and bluster" in his poom.
>
> > I will not waste my time trying to gain a "real understanding"
> > (Hypnotizing myself to see things that are not there.)
> > in astrology, mind reading, time travel, worm holes,
> > and other things that waste time, money and minds.
>
> > A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
>
>
>
>
> > (On General Relativity and bad poetry.)
>
> > --
> > Tom Potter
>
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and how about your ignoranceand your big mouth?
oldy !!??
actually you fit to the gang
Gisse Wake Puddle fucker Jekyle Wormley
etc etc and all those bump parasites
Y.Porat
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Tom Potter
> Tom Potterwrote:
Sam! Sam!
Why do you lie
and say that I never post anything that has to with physics?
Haven't you read my posts
where I point out that General Relativity
is a Tower of Babel
that Generates more heat than light,
On May 9, 9:37 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> Tom Potterwrote:
Sam! Sam!
Why do you lie
and say that I never post anything that has to with physics?
Haven't you seen my posts
where I point out that General Relativity
is a Tower of Babel
that generates more heat than light,
and wastes time, money on pursuits
beyond man's capacity to ever experience in time and space,
such as time travel, worm holes, black holes,
warping through space, the birth and death of the universe, etc.
and haven't you seen that I have mentioned
the graphics-oriented "Physics Tutorial" on my Web Page
that develops a unique " Physical Properties Chart",
that shows all the relationships between the physical properties
much as the Periodic Chart shows the relationships
between the elements much as the Periodic Chart
shows the relationships between the elements,
and haven't you noticed that I have explained to
the public and the brainwashed General Relativity Cult,
that the Urban Legend that General Relativity
is a fiction hyped by a few GTR Charlatans
on the taxpayers dole?
Wake up Sam!
And quit drinking, and "Blustering",
about my "dilutions" and "being fallowed around."
One might get that idea that you get spastic
when you read my bullet proof posts.
Tom Potter
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I think Sam would make a better "conductor" of electricity.
Tom Potter
> Tom Potterwrote:
The difference betwen you and me Sam,
is that I got over believing in fairy tales.
Let me give you a little advice Sam.
Don't believe everything you read or hear that is
written or spoken by someone on the taxpayer dole,
or speaking from a religion or a government point of view.
If your sources possessed powerful, esoteric knowledge,
they would be using it to make money
in the free market like Gates, and the Google and Yahoo boys.
Tom Potter
when he points out that "selling" the public
on wasting billions of the taxpayers dollars
to rationalize General Relativity
was one hell of a sales job.
Can you imagine spending so much money
rationalizing a model that like religion
models things beyond man's capacity to ever
experience in time and space. Things like
the beginning and end of the universe, time travel,
worm holes, black holes, warping through space, etc?
I doubt that any used car salesman could pull that off.
I bet a lot of lazy, insecure con men
afraid to compete in the free market,
would like to get on that gravy train.
What do you think Gisse?
Would you like the taxpayers to support you
for the rest of your life, after your parents
quit footing the bill?
A lot of lazy, insecure guys
who were afraid of the free market
used to become monks and such.
I bet it was much cheaper for the people
to support those monks,
than it does to support the General Relativity Priests,
considering that they insist on spending billions of dollars
trying to rationalize their religion,
and they spend millions holding seminars all over the Earth.
Too bad we can't put them up in monastic cells,
and have them beg for their meals.
The_Man
> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:phineaspuddleduck-5...@news.octanews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <1178652570.703563.5...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> > The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> On May 8, 12:06 pm, Tom Potter <tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On May 8, 6:09 pm, Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > In article <1178633420.927797.135...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > > Tom Potter<tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Note for example,
> >> > > > that most of the sociopaths, flamers, spammers,
> >> > > > and Internet trash are annonymous cowards
> >> > > > who use handles like:
> >> > > > "Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere"
> >> > > > "Art Deco", "The_Man", etc.
>
> >> Only if they are smarter than you. Shit, I forgot, EVERYBODY's smarter
> >> than you. My bad.
>
> > I love how Pitter is throwing up a big sign saying "Kick me". Perhaps living in
> > China for too long has made him forget about issues such as free speech.
>
> It is interesting to see that Puddleduck
> equates spamming scores of newsgroups
> with hundreds inane, contentless posts
> trying to get five dupes to vote his targets
> for some stupid alt.kook award,
> and following his superiors around,
> and make cute little remarks,
>
> to "free speech".
It is interesting that you understand as little about "free speech" as
you do about physics. You are a "triple-threat": you don't know
physics, you don't know civics, and you don't know math!
>
> I equate what Puddleduck does
> more with the babbling of a low self-esteem manic-depressive clown,
> in search of cheap ego trips.
I equate what YOU do with the babbling of a poor, pathetic old man
drifting into Alzheimer's.
>
> --
> Tom Potter
>
Sam Wormley
> On May 9, 9:22 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Tom Potterwrote:
>>
>>> I used to believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny...
>> You were more naive as a kid the my sister and me, Potter. Now as
>> to GTR... what a wonderfully productive theory of gravitation that
>> has turned out to be. We can apply it to satellite clocks and it
>> predicts the correct offsets required for high accuracy.
>>
>> Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
>> http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5....
>
> The difference betwen you and me Sam,
> is that I got over believing in fairy tales.
>
> Let me give you a little advice Sam.
>
> Don't believe everything you read or hear that is
> written or spoken by someone on the taxpayer dole,
> or speaking from a religion or a government point of view.
>
Salesmen always have agendas, Potter. The real point is not one of rhetoric,
but one of the mathematics of GTR. We can apply GTR to satellite clocks and
predict the correct offsets required for high accuracy. Isn't that amazing!
Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html
Sam Wormley
>
> Haven't you read my posts where I point out that General Relativity
> is a Tower of Babel that Generates more heat than light...
>
Salesmen always have agendas, Potter. The real point is not one of rhetoric,
but one of the mathematics of GTR. We can apply GTR to satellite clocks and
predict the correct offsets required for high accuracy. Isn't that amazing!
Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html
Bluster on, Potter, bluster some more!
Sam Wormley
>
> I think Sam would make a better "conductor" of electricity.
>
You are avoiding the real point, Potter. The real point is not conductance,
Y.Porat
>
> Bluster on, Potter, bluster some more!
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Hey physics genious Wormley
did you heare the news that clockes are
only a part of the GPS bussiness
and SR i s only a small part of the clock bussiness
and GR is not at aLL a part??
so who do you go on with your fart ??
there ar e much mor e significant factors in it that
you dont even deam about
so waht is your vigorous hand waving
of an imposter physicist
do you hope to decoarte youself with feathers of others ??
the billions of $ you are mumblig about
do not belong to GR !
but to thoudands of people that do **experimental mesurments
and adapt it to the practical use
nothing to do with GR!!
Y.Porat
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The_Man
> "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:
>
that Tom Potter starts with the vulgarity and personal attacks, then
runs crying like a baby when it gets turned on him.
I can beat you in a street fight, or a high-concept discussion. Pick
your game - I'll win anyway.
> that "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>,
> who follows me around,
> reads all of my posts,
I read them purely for goof value.
> gets all bent out of shape,
> and is compelled to mount vulgar, emotional, immature
> attacks on the messenger, rather than addressing the message
> in a rational, intelligent, civilized, moral way,
rational intelligent civilized conversation is impossible with you,
since you don't know anything. All that's left is toying with a senile
old man.
>
> states: "Go fucking stalk somebody else, shithead."
You're the one demanding photographs, to be used for some sick,
perverted reason I could not even imagine.
>
> The fact of the matter is,
> that if "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>,
> crawled back into his rat hole,
> and quit "stalking" me,
> I wouldn't even know the clown existed.
You didn't know that the ENLIGHTENMENT existed.
You just thought that the Renaissance was something that happened to
other people.
>
> --
> Tom Potty
>
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Phineas T Puddleduck
Tom Potter <tdp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I love how Pitter is throwing up a big sign saying "Kick me". Perhaps
> > living in
> > China for too long has made him forget about issues such as free speech.
>
> It is interesting to see that Puddleduck
> equates spamming scores of newsgroups
> with hundreds inane, contentless posts
> trying to get five dupes to vote his targets
> for some stupid alt.kook award,
> and following his superiors around,
> and make cute little remarks,
>
> to "free speech".
>
> I equate what Puddleduck does
> more with the babbling of a low self-esteem manic-depressive clown,
> in search of cheap ego trips.
You won by the way. Nice acceptance speech.
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
Eric Gisse
> On May 9, 4:32 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> > Tom Potter wrote:
>
> > > I think Sam would make a better "conductor" of electricity.
>
> > You are avoiding the real point, Potter. The real point is not conductance,
> > but one of the mathematics of GTR. We can apply GTR to satellite clocks and
> > predict the correct offsets required for high accuracy. Isn't that amazing!
>
> > Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks
> > http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5....
>
> > Bluster on, Potter, bluster some more!
>
> ------------------
> Hey physics genious Wormley
>
> did you heare the news that clockes are
> only a part of the GPS bussiness
> and SR i s only a small part of the clock bussiness
> and GR is not at aLL a part??
You have it backwards, incorrigible idiot.
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/geninfo/IS-GPS-200D.pdf
The_Man
> "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:
>
and laugh hysterically at the ignorance.
> >> which is copyrighted in my name,
>
> > Which could be an alias. Is you birth certificate and fingerprints and
> > social security card and driver's license and passport photo there?
>
> >> and if that isn't enough to convince some dunce,
> >> they can send money to my Paypal account.
>
> > How about just stick my foot up your ass.
>
> >> It's pretty easy to spot the cowardly,
> >> low-self-esteem neurotics, they use handles like
> >> "Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere",
> >> and they spam the newsgroups with inane posts
> >> attacking folks in an effort to get a cheap ego trip.
>
> > Blah, blah, blah. Do you want a cookie?
>
> >> I can't understand
>
> > physics? math? science? supply and demand? genetics?
>
> >> why the antisocial misfits
> >> give up trying to **earn** ego trips,
> >> and define themselves as permanent losers,
>
> > Like retired salemen?
> > I've got a PhD., asshole. That makes me a winner and you dog crap I
> > wipe off my shoe.
>
> When I read a "The_Man" post,
Your brain starts to overheat, from all the work?
> I am always reminded of the movie where
> Rodney Dangerfield is cleaning the cages of monkeys
thereby proving that his character had more qualifications than you.
> used in a communications experiment.
Don't worry about "being reminded"; you'll forget your own name soon
enough, senile old bastard.
>
> He scrunched his nose and said:
> "I think they should first teach them how to go the the bathroom."
Maybe they should teach you that, TOO. Are those Depends (R) getting
expensive?
>
> It seems to me that the first things that should be taught
> to PhD candidates is how to spell,
I spell quite well - I can't usually be bothered to double-check my
work when talking to you, being as you wouldn't understand it whether
it was perfect or not.
> and how to conduct themselves is a rational, civilized manner,
Any unbiased observer would note that my knowledge of the subject far
exceeds yours, you started mudslinging first, and that I get the
better of you everytime. Give up.
> and how to go to the bathroom.
Maybe when you learn how to go to the bathroom, you can teach it to
Androcles.
>
> Most schools won't sell a PhD credential
Maybe if you knew how to spell "Ph.D.", I might take your spelling
criticisms more seriously.
BTW, reputable schools don't "sell" Ph.D.'s. That must be the
"salesman's" view of the world you have, all buying and selling.
> to a person that reflects badly on the school,
You reflect badly on any school you attended, any company you worked
for, and the country of your origin.
> as it would make the school look bad,
> and they would have to discount their fees.
Hate to break it to you, oldtimer, Ph.D. students don't pay "fees" to
the university; the university pays THEM. Yet another example of the
magnitude of your ignorance of academics and academia.
>
> Maybe "The_Man" got his PhD credential out of a Cracker Jack box.
"PhD' again - maybe it isn't an honest typo, but that you really don't
know that Ph.D. (note the spelling and punctuation) is an ABBREVIATION
for something.
Maybe I just don't suffer fools gladly. I didn't in graduate school,
and I certainly don't now.
>
> --
> Tom Potter (Harry Potter's "special" brother)
>
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Eric Gisse
Tom Potter
wrote:
> In article <1178692945.284822.61...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
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It is amazing that "a senile old man" like me,
has most of the low-self-esteem sociopaths in sci.physics,
crawling out from under the wood work,
following me around, reading my every word,
and getting all bent out of shape,
because I expose their immaturity, ignorance,
and sociopathic behavior.
Note for example, the GTR Cultists in this thread
are foaming at the mouth because I pointed out that
General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
and that after Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
And here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
One would think that if the GTR Cult
possessed powerful knowledge,
that they would enter the free market
like the guys from Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, Intel,
Texas Instruments, Apple, etc. and make billions of dollars,
rather than sucking up billions of dollars.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
And as can be seen by the posts of the
General Relativity Cultists:
"A wasted mind is a terrible thing."
Eric Gisse
Sam Wormley
>
> It is amazing that "a senile old man" like me,
> has most of the low-self-esteem sociopaths in sci.physics,
> crawling out from under the wood work,
> following me around, reading my every word,
> and getting all bent out of shape,
>
>
> General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
> that wastes time, money and minds on such
> pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
> rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
>
Potter has dilutions that because people read his posting in a public
forum, that he is being fallowed around! Potter seldom posts anything
to do with physics, as he gets his nose bloodied by people who actually
know some physics.
GTR has directly contributed to a $30B+ industry, creating a global
infrastructure benefiting people all over the world. Aviation,
shipping, asset management, survey, mining, agriculture, time
dissemination, communications networks... and on and on!
Bluster on, Potter, bluster some more!
Eric Gisse
> Tom Potter wrote:
>
> > It is amazing that "a senile old man" like me,
> > has most of the low-self-esteem sociopaths in sci.physics,
> > crawling out from under the wood work,
> > following me around, reading my every word,
> > and getting all bent out of shape,
>
> > General Relativity is a Tower of Babel
> > that wastes time, money and minds on such
> > pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
> > rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
>
> Potter has dilutions that because people read his posting in a public
> forum, that he is being fallowed around! Potter seldom posts anything
> to do with physics, as he gets his nose bloodied by people who actually
> know some physics.
Don't forget hes a pathetic little salesman expat who is now living in
China who spent his entire life selling technology to scientists.
Today's crayon color is "fucking hypocrite".
Tom Potter
Regarding Gisse's question:
"C'mon Tom - let's see the fruits of your labor. In all your life,
have
you produced one tangible product? Have you done even one useful thing
that you can point to and be proud of?"
Other than teaching at the seminar,
college, high school, military school, and tech rep levels,
and introducing digital computers to electronic instrumentation,
and educating industry and government to use computers in control
and data collections systems,
and being one of the first computer store owners,
and one of the first writers of software for microcomputers,
and starting on of the first companies to collect and process
data via the telephone, and being the first to copyright
what is now known as "Data mining", etc.
I suppose the thing that I am most proud of,
is that I have exposed General Relativity as a Tower of Babel
that wastes time, money and minds on such
pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
warping through space, rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
For example:
"After Newton's model,
there were immediate and rapid advances
in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
After Maxwell's model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in chemistry, electricity, etc.
After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
there were immediate and rapid advances
in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
and it continues to generate more hype and heat
than light and advances.
And of course, I am proud that
I have called attention to the fact
that a small gang has a long history of
instigating conflict and war for power and riches.
For example, the gang instigated and profited
from the Class Wars of the 1900's,
and they are instigating and profiting from the
Religious Wars of the 2000's.
And considering that my Pappy used to say:
"A man should be judged by the enemies he makes.",
I am sure that my Pappy would be proud of
me on this score., as the enemies I have made,
are members of, or fellow travelers with,
the War-for-Profit Gang,
and are General Relativity Charlatans and Cultists.
Considering the Gisse is a member of the General Relativity Cult,
I pose the same question to him:
Although General relativity has been hyped as
the greatest thing since sliced bread
for almost one hundred years,
what has it produced that General relativity Charlatans and Cultists
"can point to and be proud of?"
No doubt, as Gisse does not comprehend
how closed systems, broadband systems and correlators, work,
he will parrot the false claim that cultists have been brainwashed
to,
that it was essential to the GPS system.
Y.Porat
>
> [snip boilerplate idiocy]
>
> What have _YOU_ produced?
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HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!
what a kind of a litle disturbed clown Nazi shit !!
Little Napoleon Bonaparte speaks about
contributions to science (:-)
he is a 22years undergaduate !!! hahahaha !
Josef Geobelss could be proud of his little pupil !!!
the little Nazi shit needs menthal treatment .
Y.Porat
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Eric Gisse
> On May 10, 10:38 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 9, 11:01 pm,Tom Potter<tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [snip boilerplate idiocy]
>
> > What have _YOU_ produced?
>
> > C'mon Tom - let's see the fruits of your labor. In all your life, have
> > you produced one tangible product? Have you done even one useful thing
> > that you can point to and be proud of?
>
> Regarding Gisse's question:
> "C'mon Tom - let's see the fruits of your labor. In all your life,
> have
> you produced one tangible product? Have you done even one useful thing
> that you can point to and be proud of?"
>
> Other than teaching at the seminar,
> college, high school, military school, and tech rep levels,
I said "produce", not teach.
>
> and introducing digital computers to electronic instrumentation,
I said "produce", not sell.
> and educating industry and government to use computers in control
> and data collections systems,
I said "produce", not sell.
> and being one of the first computer store owners,
I said "produce", not sell.
> and one of the first writers of software for microcomputers,
I said "produce", not program. Since when did salesmen write code,
anyway?
> and starting on of the first companies to collect and process
> data via the telephone, and being the first to copyright
> what is now known as "Data mining", etc.
I said "produce", not "lie about having an idea placed under
copyright". Since when did salesmen do data processing?
Notice how you haven't produced anything, Tom?
[snip boilerplate stupidity]
Y.Porat
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idiot old fart and lier
GR contributed nothing nore one cent to thewellfair
of mankind
i would say quite the contrary
it waisted billions of $ of humanresources !!!
actually i dont blame Einstein for it
he was a genious that produced SR and the E=mc^2
the fault is of his folowers that even after 100 years
ddint realizeit does not lead to anywhere !!!
it is absulutely right of Einstein to suggest his GR
because
THAT IS HOW PIONNERING SCINCE IS DONE!!
it isdone by traial and error !!!!
one time you guess right
and and anotrher thousant times you guess wrong !!
no other way
GOT IT ORCHESTRA CONDUCTOR ??????
gospeak about your proffetion
dont be a teacher of what you dont understand !!
or alternatively say
'i am just a good parrot and please take me just as a good parrot
i guess that even with your music
you never invented anything
you just paroted others !!
and next time Mr parrot Wormley
while you get into my model
or even my discussions !!--
just take of your shose and crawl in on your knees
and dont speak about things you have no idea
got it parrot ??
Y.Porat
--------------------------
Eric Gisse
[...]
How come there hasn't been even one falsification of GR then, Porat?
How come you _still_ don't understand how come GR is relevant to GPS?
How come you _still_ haven't written even one complete English
sentence since you started posting?
Sam Wormley
>
> I suppose the thing that I am most proud of,
> is that I have exposed General Relativity as a Tower of Babel
> that wastes time, money and minds on such
> pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
> warping through space, rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
>
GTR has directly contributed to a $30B+ industry, creating a global
infrastructure benefiting people all over the world. Aviation,
shipping, asset management, survey, mining, agriculture, time
dissemination, communications networks... and on and on!
>
> I am sure that my Pappy would be proud of
> me on this score., as the enemies I have made,
> are members of, or fellow travelers with,
> the War-for-Profit Gang,
> and are General Relativity Charlatans and Cultists.
>
Bluster on, Potter, bluster some more!
Y.Porat
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how come that sun flair is much more releavnt to
GPS than GR if you atke it quantitatively!!
and how come that people like you ddint think
about it before i introduced it just as one of many others
*major * factors
that makes GR a tiny factor (even that 'tiny'
does not seem to me as realy becuse of curved space time
if you realy know
how real parctical nonstop adjustments are made
by the computer system
to adjust the PGS)
if a sun flare can fuck of it completely
than what about all those sun flares that are **between** a big one
and how come that you ddint notice that the
GPS that you and others** cheast drummed* as a profe of
GR enourmous usefulness .....
and it came back to you
as a *false aliby syndrom** ??
just in case you dont know
in court----
if you bring an alibi for your defence and it is found
**a false alibi**!
your situation after your 'alibi'
i s **much worse** that *before you brought that false one !!!
(it puts you in the* lier position* !!)
i dont intend to say
that all GR thru believers are crooks or liers
most of them migh t do it **innocently ** but if they
chest drumm with it
**without realy knowing ** about what they are talkng
ie
jsut parroting in order of looking like 'knwlagable '
than it is a kind of krookedness !!
ps
i dont delude myself that you wil agree with me
my response is mostly to the other readers
tha tmight think that there is no answer to your
above question.
Y.Porat
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Phineas T Puddleduck
Tom Potter <tdp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose the thing that I am most proud of,
> is that I have exposed General Relativity as a Tower of Babel
> that wastes time, money and minds on such
> pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
> warping through space, rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
Shame you havent then.
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity. Official Science Team mascot.
T Wake
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-F...@news.octanews.com...
> In article <1178937380.6...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> Tom Potter <tdp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I suppose the thing that I am most proud of,
>> is that I have exposed General Relativity as a Tower of Babel
>> that wastes time, money and minds on such
>> pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
>> warping through space, rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
>
>
> Shame you havent then.
>
If he was sane, he would be heartbroken...
Phineas T Puddleduck
"T Wake" <usenet...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
Unskilled and unaware, he's the poster child for it. His post on his
"achievements" betrays a classic superiority complex.
The_Man
> On May 10, 10:38 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 9, 11:01 pm,Tom Potter<tdp1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [snip boilerplate idiocy]
>
> > What have _YOU_ produced?
>
> > C'mon Tom - let's see the fruits of your labor. In all your life, have
> > you produced one tangible product? Have you done even one useful thing
> > that you can point to and be proud of?
>
> Regarding Gisse's question:
> "C'mon Tom - let's see the fruits of your labor. In all your life,
> have
> you produced one tangible product? Have you done even one useful thing
> that you can point to and be proud of?"
>
> Other than teaching at the seminar,
> college, high school, military school, and tech rep levels,
I feel sorry for your students. What is your highest level of
education?
>
> and introducing digital computers to electronic instrumentation,
No, ENGINEERS did that.
> and educating industry and government to use computers in control
> and data collections systems,
not "educating", SELLING
> and being one of the first computer store owners,
You mean one of the first to sell Atari?
> and one of the first writers of software for microcomputers,
"writers"? You have so much expertise in the industry that you say
that software is "written"?
> and starting on of the first companies to collect and process
> data via the telephone,
> and being the first to copyright
> what is now known as "Data mining", etc.
Please give a reference for this. I don't believe you.
>
> I suppose the thing that I am most proud of,
is your 3 inch wiener?
> is that I have exposed General Relativity as a Tower of Babel
> that wastes time, money and minds on such
> pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
> warping through space, rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
>
> For example:
>
> "After Newton's model,
> there were immediate and rapid advances
> in mechanics, astronomy, etc.
>
> After Maxwell's model
> there were immediate and rapid advances
> in chemistry, electricity, etc.
WRONG. No there weren't. Please cite a SINGLE example of Maxwell's
equations leading to an advance in chemistry within 50 years.
>
> After Watson's and Crick's DNA model
> there were immediate and rapid advances
WRONG. No there weren't. The DNA model that Watson and Crick pretty
much stole from Rosalind Franklin was 1953. When was the first real
advance in genetic based on this model? It wasn't until at least the
1980's, and more like the 1990's.
Also, DNA is BIOLOGY, not PHYSICS.
> in medicine, genetics, animal husbandry,
I hear that you are the husband of a pig, but that could just be a
rumor.
> the history of the Earth and Mankind, etc.
>
> Here we are, 100 years after General Relativity
> and it continues to generate more hype and heat
> than light and advances.
Computers were a similar "waste". The first ideas for digital
computing device Babbage proposed the "Analytical Engine" in 1822!
What a waste of time, and money and minds, on this RIDICULOUS idea of
a general purpose computing machine. Why will ANYONE every need such a
machine?
The first (extremely expensive) electronic digital computer - 1946.
The firt widespread PC - 1981. The Internet, invented by Al Gore (lol)
comes into very general use ~ 1995.
>
> And of course, I am proud that
> I have called attention to the fact
that you are a lame salesman who doesn't know shit about science?
> that a small gang has a long history of
> instigating conflict and war for power and riches.
Are you ranting about the Jews again? Go re-read your copy of the
"Protocols of the Elders of Zion". There is a cool section in there
about how the "Jews" are going to take over physics by fooling
everyone with rubber rulers and clocks.
>
> For example, the gang instigated and profited
> from the Class Wars of the 1900's,
> and they are instigating and profiting from the
> Religious Wars of the 2000's.
They also caused the Black Death and killed our Lord and Saviour Jesus
Christ. That is why you believe the greatest physicist of all time is
Adolf Hitler. Yeh, we get the idea.
>
> And considering that my Pappy used to say:
> "A man should be judged by the enemies he makes.",
And your Mommy used to say:
"Give it me Tommy, oh, yeh - give it to me Tommy.. Oh, it's so BIG!"
>
> I am sure that my Pappy would be proud of
a loser salesman
> me on this score., as the enemies I have made,
> are members of, or fellow travelers with,
> the War-for-Profit Gang,
> and are General Relativity Charlatans and Cultists.
Why don't you say "Jews", since that is what you keep implying?
>
> Considering the Gisse is a member of the General Relativity Cult,
> I pose the same question to him:
>
> Although General relativity has been hyped as
> the greatest thing since sliced bread
> for almost one hundred years,
Unleashing all the nuances of GR for practrical benefit depends upon
advances in electronics, just like computers. You would think a
BRILLIANT computer SALESMAN would know that!
>
> what has it produced that General relativity Charlatans and Cultists
> "can point to and be proud of?"
GR explains SR. Special relativity is a FUNDAMENTAL part of QM,
especially as applied to chemistry. We have excellent, widely used
computer software that predicts chemical properties of novel materials
for biology, nanoscience, neurtoscience, pharamcy, based upon SR.
Relativistic effects become important for "heavy" atoms. In your care,
you have a "catalytic converter". The catalytic agent is a layer of
platinum. To understand how platinum catalyses the reactions that it
does, one NEEDS SR.
Similarly for use of Pt in cisplatin, a very important anti-cancer
drug. Anywhere in technology we ever use gold, platinum, paladium,
uranium, radium, radon, xenon, iodine, (to name but a few), SR is
important.
Therefore, GR is technologically of EXTREME importance.
>
> No doubt, as Gisse does not comprehend
> how closed systems, broadband systems and correlators, work,
> he will parrot the false claim that cultists have been brainwashed
> to,
> that it was essential to the GPS system.
The fact that you are far too IGNORANT to know thw contributions of
relativity to CHEMISTRY is YOUR problem. But it shows that your "what
has GR done for me?" line is irrelevant, just like YOU.
Fuck off and die.
>
> --
> Tom Potter
>
> *** Time Magazine Old Fart of the Year 2006 ***http://home.earthlink.net/~tdphttp://tdp1001.googlepages.com/homehttp://no-turtles.comhttp://www.frappr.com/tompotterhttp://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001http://spaces.msn.com/tdp1001http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potterhttp://tom-potter.blogspot.com
Tom Potter
> In article <CI-dnRoVdIC...@pipex.net>,
> "T Wake" <usenet...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>
>> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:phineaspuddleduck-F...@news.octanews.com...
>> > In article <1178937380.6...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Tom Potter <tdp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I suppose the thing that I am most proud of,
>> >> is that I have exposed General Relativity as a Tower of Babel
>> >> that wastes time, money and minds on such
>> >> pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
>> >> warping through space, rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
>> >
>> > Shame you havent then.
>>
>> If he was sane, he would be heartbroken...
>
> Unskilled and unaware, he's the poster child for it. His post on his
> "achievements" betrays a classic superiority complex.
Puddleduck brings up a good point!
There is no doubt that I am superior in many ways,
including intelligence, knowledge, accomplishments, morality, looks,
etc.
to the small gang of sociopaths who hang around sci.physics
and try to get cheap ego trips by attacking folks.
So what I try to do
is attract these misfits, losers, and sociopaths about me,
as this makes me look good.
To paraphrase the old saying:
"If I look and sound superior,
it is because I am surrounded by misfits, losers and sociopaths."
I would like to thank Puddleduck, Art Deco, T Wake,
Gisse, and a few others for making me look
head and shoulders above the crowd that surrounds me.
If you want to be a leader,
get out in front of the crowd.
If you want to look superior,
attract a gang of losers about yourself.
Eric Gisse
> On May 12, 6:57 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 11, 8:44 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [...]
>
> > How come there hasn't been even one falsification of GR then, Porat?
>
> > How come you _still_ don't understand how come GR is relevant to GPS?
>
> > How come you _still_ haven't written even one complete English
> > sentence since you started posting?
>
> ----------------
> how come that sun flair is much more releavnt to
> GPS than GR if you atke it quantitatively!!
It isn't.
1) Read the spec. If an idiot retired 'engineer' can think of it in 5
minutes of musing, satellite designers over a period of 30 years
probably thought of it at least once.
2) You haven't done _jack shit_ quantitatively. You are simply making
assertions.
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/geninfo/IS-GPS-200D.pdf
>
> and how come that people like you ddint think
> about it before i introduced it just as one of many others
> *major * factors
You have not shown it to be a major factor. In fact, you haven't shown
anything other than your constant inability to write proper English.
Furthermore, just because nobody thought of a specific effect here
does not mean that the GPS designers were as ignorant. You once again
seem to be confusing USENET with the real world.
> that makes GR a tiny factor (even that 'tiny'
> does not seem to me as realy becuse of curved space time
You have not shown this. In other words: you are making shit up.
> if you realy know
> how real parctical nonstop adjustments are made
> by the computer system
> to adjust the PGS)
The adjustments are once per day and are on the order of nanoseconds
compared to the 38,000 nanoseconds predicted by GR.
>
> if a sun flare can fuck of it completely
> than what about all those sun flares that are **between** a big one
> and how come that you ddint notice that the
> GPS that you and others** cheast drummed* as a profe of
> GR enourmous usefulness .....
> and it came back to you
> as a *false aliby syndrom** ??
Yea right. Somehow I find it hard to believe that solar flares exactly
mimic GR and make satellites run fast by 38,000ns/day.
>
> just in case you dont know
>
> in court----
> if you bring an alibi for your defence and it is found
> **a false alibi**!
If this were court, you would be the insane idiot filing pro se.
Idiot for a lawyer and a client.
>
> your situation after your 'alibi'
>
> i s **much worse** that *before you brought that false one !!!
> (it puts you in the* lier position* !!)
Do you masturbate furiously to this fantasy?
>
> i dont intend to say
> that all GR thru believers are crooks or liers
Yet you do anyway.
>
> most of them migh t do it **innocently ** but if they
> chest drumm with it
> **without realy knowing ** about what they are talkng
> ie
> jsut parroting in order of looking like 'knwlagable '
> than it is a kind of krookedness !!
Of course you have no idea that scientists who work with relativity
have and continue to tear down and rebuild relativity from the ground
up on a regular basis. Your spew implies that scientists don't
understand relativity - which is laughably stupid, much like
everything else you say.
Ignorant little engineer...no concept of how physics works.
>
> ps
> i dont delude myself that you wil agree with me
> my response is mostly to the other readers
> tha tmight think that there is no answer to your
> above question.
> Y.Porat
> -----------------------
Then why do you delude yourself into thinking you are smarter than
every other physicist on Earth? You can't even write _ONE_ complete
sentence in English with proper grammar, spelling, punctuation, and
capitalization.
T Wake
"Tom Potter" <tdp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178982655....@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:phineaspuddleduck-1...@news.octanews.com...
>> In article <CI-dnRoVdIC...@pipex.net>,
>> "T Wake" <usenet...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:phineaspuddleduck-F...@news.octanews.com...
>>> > In article <1178937380.6...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>>> > Tom Potter <tdp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I suppose the thing that I am most proud of,
>>> >> is that I have exposed General Relativity as a Tower of Babel
>>> >> that wastes time, money and minds on such
>>> >> pursuits as time travel, worm holes, gravity waves,
>>> >> warping through space, rubber rulers and clocks, etc.
>>> >
>>> > Shame you havent then.
>>>
>>> If he was sane, he would be heartbroken...
>>
>> Unskilled and unaware, he's the poster child for it. His post on his
>> "achievements" betrays a classic superiority complex.
>
> Puddleduck brings up a good point!
>
> There is no doubt that I am superior in many ways,
> including intelligence, knowledge, accomplishments, morality, looks,
> etc.
Hahahaha.
> to the small gang of sociopaths who hang around sci.physics
> and try to get cheap ego trips by attacking folks.
>
> So what I try to do
> is attract these misfits, losers, and sociopaths about me,
> as this makes me look good.
>
> To paraphrase the old saying:
> "If I look and sound superior,
> it is because I am surrounded by misfits, losers and sociopaths."
>
> I would like to thank Puddleduck, Art Deco, T Wake,
> Gisse, and a few others for making me look
> head and shoulders above the crowd that surrounds me.
>
> If you want to be a leader,
> get out in front of the crowd.
>
> If you want to look superior,
> attract a gang of losers about yourself.
You say you are surrounded by losers, this may be true. Worryingly for you,
despite this, you still look by far one of the bigger losers on
news://sci.physics. I feel sorry for you. You have set up your own standards
of winner / losers and you still come out a loser.
Tom Potter
I suggest that the raving of The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
pretty much proves my points that:
"A mind is a terrible thing to waste."
and
"A Wasted mind is a terrible thing."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
Eric Gisse
The star example being you.
>
> --
> Tom Potter
>
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Art Deco
*ding* <tips sombrero, again>
>> Gisse, and a few others for making me look
>> head and shoulders above the crowd that surrounds me.
>>
>> If you want to be a leader,
>> get out in front of the crowd.
>>
>> If you want to look superior,
>> attract a gang of losers about yourself.
>
>You say you are surrounded by losers, this may be true. Worryingly for you,
>despite this, you still look by far one of the bigger losers on
>news://sci.physics. I feel sorry for you. You have set up your own standards
>of winner / losers and you still come out a loser.
One day, two lits. Life is good!
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
"Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting
renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum."
-- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief
"Of doing Venus in person would obviously incorporate a composite
rigid airship, along with it's internal cache of frozen pizza and
ice cold beer."
-- Brad Guth, bigoted racist
"You really are one of the litsiest people I know, Mr. Deco."
--Kali, quoted endlessly by David Tholen as evidence of "something"
The_Man
1) Your highest level of education isn't terribly impressive.
2) Your claims of superior achievement are considerably suspect.
3) You really do think that the "small gang [that] has a long history
of
instigating conflict and war for power and riches." is the Jewish
people
4) Your claim that Maxwell's equations led to immediate benefits in
chemistry is WRONG.
5) Your claim that the Watson/Crick/Franklin DNA model led to
"immediate" benefits is WRONG.
6) Computers are a "waste" since it took 180 years before they had
widespread use.
7) Your objection to GR might be based more on anti-Semitism than any
actual physics
8) Your claim that GR has no practical benefits is WRONG, since I
outlined how SR, a special case of GR, is widely used in chemistry.
9) You are in way over your head arguing science.
T Wake
"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
news:120520071020529698%er...@caballista.org...
Potter seems to have a crush on you.
John "C"
"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
> One day, two lits. Life is good!
A nice B-day gift for an old fart.
HJ
Sam Wormley
>> "achievements" betrays a classic superiority complex.
>
> Puddleduck brings up a good point!
>
Potter, when it comes to your blustering, Puddleduck always make
a good point!
Tom Potter
Newsgroups: sci.physics
From: The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
Date: 7 May 2007 04:18:43 -0700
Local: Mon, May 7 2007 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: Poem for Potter: Do not go gentle into real understanding
of GTR
"I'm a chemist, not a physicist. Chemistry pays very well, and we
never
need GR at all. SR comes up every once in a while, but not that
often."
================
As can be seen from his comments:
"Your claim that GR has no practical benefits is WRONG, since
I outlined how SR, a special case of GR, is widely used in chemistry."
"I'm a chemist, not a physicist. Chemistry pays very well, and we
never
need GR at all. SR comes up every once in a while, but not that
often."
The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
speaks with a forked (And filthy) ongue.
==================
As I pointed out in older posts,
the fine structure constant which is "widely" used in chemistry,
and was used by Sommerfield to fine tune Bohr's model the hydrogen
atom,
is basically a measure of velocity / C
and beta^2 / 2
provides a better better fit of the ionizations potentials,
than gamma.
In other words, gamma (Special Relativity) gums up the works.
Y.Porat
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btw
we are not dealing here with English
we are dealing with science
the psychoapth reteded undegraduate imbecil parrot Gisse
cant undersatnd that a simple sun flare
can shut down the GPS
**and therefore it is much more releavnt quantitatively**
than GR in thr GPS buissines
even anothee little monkey in Alaska could unhderstand it
bump parasite psychpathis undergarduate parrot
go see a psychiatrist quickly!!
Y.Porat
-------------------
Eric Gisse
Mein gott, you are stupid.
Y.Porat
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psychaoth imbecil and crook in addition
even a boy in a secondart school would understand that
if for instance
a sun flare is screening 100 percent of the GPS
than
a fucken GR factor of whatever percent less than 100
(not to mension that it is far below 100 percent!!!)-------->
is much more meaningfull for GPS!! than 'GR'!!
and i ddint mension yet all the other meaningful
cactors for GPS
that peole here tru to explain to
little Shaise but he is unable to learn somerthing
that is not in his blocked disturbed head
ps
that answer is not for the psycohpath Gisse
it is for the other readers to show that
Gisse
is an imbecil disturbed crook undergarduate
and a bump parasite
that is a pain in the neck a sitting damage to this ng!!
i once hered a question:
what i s worse than a foll ??
the answer is
a dilligent fool !!! ...........
and we can say in addition to the above
a dillegent fool crook !!
Y.Porat
-----------------------------------
Eric Gisse
[...]
Ignorant fool.
A solar flare will disrupt communications by making the ionosphere go
ape, or by directly damaging flight hardware. It will _NOT_, however,
make a clock go out of sync unless the clock is damaged.
Stop pretending you know what the fuck you are talking about. You have
latched on to the notion that some mythical solar flare effect totally
swamps the GR effect without even _one_ calculation or literature
reference to support your idiotic notions.
Jeckyl
news:1179040924.5...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> psychaoth imbecil and crook in addition
You're a fucking idiot porat.
> even a boy in a secondart school would understand that
That rules you out then .. you're a senile old fool
> if for instance
> a sun flare is screening 100 percent of the GPS
> than
> a fucken GR factor of whatever percent less than 100
> (not to mension that it is far below 100 percent!!!)-------->
> is much more meaningfull for GPS!! than 'GR'!!
> and i ddint mension yet all the other meaningful
> cactors for GPS
> that peole here tru to explain to
> little Shaise but he is unable to learn somerthing
> that is not in his blocked disturbed head
As always, you are talking complete bullsiht.
> ps
> that answer is not for the psycohpath Gisse
> it is for the other readers to show that
> Gisse
> is an imbecil disturbed crook undergarduate
> and a bump parasite
> that is a pain in the neck a sitting damage to this ng!!
You are describing only yourself .. you pathetic little old Nazi..
> i once hered a question:
> what i s worse than a foll ??
> the answer is
> a dilligent fool !!! ...........
That's you alrught
> and we can say in addition to the above
> a dillegent fool crook !!
And that's even more you
The_Man
So you are not going to dispute ANY of these points?
>
> =============
>
> Newsgroups: sci.physics
> From: The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
> Date: 7 May 2007 04:18:43 -0700
> Local: Mon, May 7 2007 2:18 pm
> Subject: Re: Poem for Potter: Do not go gentle into real understanding
> of GTR
>
> "I'm a chemist, not a physicist. Chemistry pays very well, and we
> never
> need GR at all. SR comes up every once in a while, but not that
> often."
> ================
>
> As can be seen from his comments:
>
> "Your claim that GR has no practical benefits is WRONG, since
> I outlined how SR, a special case of GR, is widely used in chemistry."
>
> "I'm a chemist, not a physicist. Chemistry pays very well, and we
> never
> need GR at all. SR comes up every once in a while, but not that
> often."
You misunderstand "litotes" = understatement for effect. Chemistry is
built on SR, and has been for 80 years.
>
> The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
> speaks with a forked (And filthy) ongue.
I have a rather nice "ongue".
>
> ==================
>
> As I pointed out in older posts,
> the fine structure constant which is "widely" used in chemistry,
> and was used by Sommerfield
Do you mean "Sommerfeld"?
> to fine tune Bohr's model the hydrogen
> atom,
> is basically a measure of velocity / C
But Bohr's hydrogen atom has not been used for 80 years, since it gave
the right answers ONLY for hydrogen, mostly by coincidence. It failed
miserably (kind of like YOU) for helium, and anything heavier. Nobody
cares about the Bohr atom.
>
> and beta^2 / 2
> provides a better better fit of the ionizations potentials,
> than gamma.
Who cares? Relativistic effects are most dominant in CORE electrons,
which are unlikely to ionize anyway.
Fitting of ionization potentials is not a test of SR, since these
follow a very complicated pattern, that depends on numerous variables
other than just the velocity of the electrons.
>
> In other words, gamma (Special Relativity) gums up the works.
Wrong. Tell that to Dirac.
>
> --
> Tom Potter
>
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As I wrote in my post on April 23, 2007
"Special Relativity indicates that
delta energy = delta mass * C^2
where delta mass = mass(0) * gamma
where gamma = 1 / ( 1-beta^2)^.5
where beta = velocity / C
As the
ionization energy = electron charge * ionization voltage
why is it that one gets a better statistical fit using
energy = electron mass * (beta * C)^2 / 2
Where beta = fine structure constant and
beta * C is the effective electron velocity.
(Newton's old mass times velocity squared energy)
than one gets by using
energy = gamma * electron mass * C^2
Where gamma = 1 / (1-fine structure constant^2)^.5
(Special Relativity energy)
(Note that gamma = 1/cosine(A) - 1
where cosine(A) is the cosine of the angle whose sine is velocity(A)/
C )
In other words:
does
ionization energy = electron charge * ionization voltage = electron
mass * (Beta* C)^2 / 2
or
ionization energy = electron charge * ionization voltage = gamma *
electron mass * C^2
or
what
??????????
I have listed the ionization potentials for hydrogen-like atoms
below,
so you can verify this for yourself.
I listed the average number of neutrons in the atoms,
as I found that I can get a quasi-perfect ionization voltage fit
if I take the proton and neutron masses into account,
and use beta^2 rather than gamma.
Note that the effective electron velocity for a given hydrogen atom
= FSC * C * HARMONIC
HARMONIC is the term I use for the ratio between
protons and electrons in a hydrogen-like atom.
Note that a single proton effectively interacts with
HARMONIC amounts of electrons.
HARMONIC NEUTRONS VOLTS Q*V Me*vel^2/2
0.167 0.0000 0.380 6.0883E-20
6.0553E-20
0.200 0.0000 0.540 8.6518E-20
8.7196E-20
0.250 0.0000 0.850 1.3619E-19
1.3624E-19
0.333 0.0000 1.510 2.4193E-19
2.4221E-19
0.500 0.0000 3.398 5.4442E-19
5.4498E-19
1.000 0.0080 13.595 2.1782E-18
2.1799E-18
2.000 2.0026 54.400 8.7159E-18
8.7196E-18
3.000 3.9390 122.420 1.9614E-17
1.9619E-17
4.000 5.0122 217.657 3.4873E-17
3.4879E-17
5.000 5.8110 340.127 5.4495E-17
5.4498E-17
6.000 6.0110 489.840 7.8482E-17
7.8477E-17
7.000 7.0067 666.830 1.0684E-16
1.0682E-16
8.000 7.9994 871.120 1.3957E-16
1.3951E-16
Here are the values I used for the constants.
Q = 1.602189000E-19
Emass = 9.109534000E-31
Pmass = 1.672649000E-27
Nmass = 1.674954000E-27
FSC = 7.297351000E-03
Maybe one of the General Relativity Gang can use GTR
and a couple of Classical hacks to compute the ionization potentials."
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
Sam Wormley
>
> "Special Relativity indicates that
> delta energy = delta mass * C^2
>
DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/www/
The_Man
Probably because the ionization energy depends also on the Coulomb
potential between the electron and the nucleus, which isn't included
in either of your two formulae. You don't realize that the electron
certainly doesn't have a constant velocity (more accurately, speed) in
the atom, except in Bohr's very antiquated version.
You forget that Bohr was one of the great pioneers of QM, which
totally superseded this mess.
>
> (Note that gamma = 1/cosine(A) - 1
> where cosine(A) is the cosine of the angle whose sine is velocity(A)/
> C )
>
> In other words:
> does
> ionization energy = electron charge * ionization voltage = electron
> mass * (Beta* C)^2 / 2
> or
> ionization energy = electron charge * ionization voltage = gamma *
> electron mass * C^2
> or
> what
Neither. You seem confused about the unit of "electron volts", which
is a unit of ENERGY, not voltage. One can derive its magnitude
quickly, knowing that the energy 1 eV is the mass of an electron 9.109
x 10^31 kg, and the charge 1.6 x 10^-19 C, to get the conversion to
joules, obviously a unit of energy.
I think (although it's hard to be sure, you write so haphazardly),
that you are finding the relativistic energy equivalent for an
electron moving at a certain velocity. Sadly, you don't even know
enough chemistry to understand something as simple as IP. :-(
>
> ??????????
>
> I have listed the ionization potentials for hydrogen-like atoms
> below,
> so you can verify this for yourself.
The potentials can be closely predicted (for hydrogen-like atoms) by a
simple formula, the Rhydberg formula.
>
> I listed the average number of neutrons in the atoms,
> as I found that I can get a quasi-perfect ionization voltage fit
> if I take the proton and neutron masses into account,
> and use beta^2 rather than gamma.
>
> Note that the effective electron velocity for a given hydrogen atom
> = FSC * C * HARMONIC
>
> HARMONIC is the term I use for the ratio between
> protons and electrons in a hydrogen-like atom.
> Note that a single proton effectively interacts with
> HARMONIC amounts of electrons.
Please cite one peer-reviewed article in chemistry or physics which
makes this claim.
The IP's for hyhdrogen-like atoms are trivial to compute, and to
compute to better accuracy than you have here.
First of all, there are two DIFFERENT ionization potentials, adiabatic
and vertical. There is no confusion for atoms, so these are vertical
IP.
The electronic energy is quickly computed by the Schroedinger
equation, with a relativistic correction for the MASS of the electron.
The electronic energy of the remaining ion is, of course, 0.
The IP is equal to the electronic energy (again, ONLY for hydrogenic
atoms)
To calculate IP's for heavier atoms is much more tricky.
> --
> Tom Potter
>
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Y.Porat
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a quote from Wormley ??
' > 8) Your claim that GR has no practical benefits is WRONG, since I
> > outlined how SR, a special case of GR, is widely used in chemistry.
end of quote:
hahahahaha !!!
Sami
you forgot that
'without GR we could not have GPS 'ie
one little mistake in gR calculations--
will paralise the whole GPS system !!! (:-)
exactly as a simple natural sun falre !!
it produced billions of $ to the worlds Economy'!!!!
poor me
i rather thought that GR has nothing to do with chemistry
(it seems that there isno llimit to stupidity
in connecting chemistry to GR !!)
and i thought that GR actually
cause a waist of billons to the worlds economy
not to mension the inavluable time waist !!!!
Y.Porat
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hey Jekyle (Hide ) sweety!!
i thought that you dont want to deal with me anymore ???
so ??
cant you find as a bump parasite
a mor e intersting subject to deal with except me ??*(:-)
keep well
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The_Man
> On May 13, 4:00 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> > Tom Potter wrote:
>
> > > "Special Relativity indicates that
> > > delta energy = delta mass * C^2
>
> > DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?
> > http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/www/
>
> ----------------------------
> a quote from Wormley ??
>
> ' > 8) Your claim that GR has no practical benefits is WRONG, since I> > outlined how SR, a special case of GR, is widely used in chemistry.
>
> end of quote:
No, jackass - learn how to read. It was a quote from ME.
>
> hahahahaha !!!
>
> Sami
> you forgot that
He didn't forget anything. Since GPS has been beat into the ground,
and you kooks are STILL unable to understand that GR is essential to
GPS, I decided to see if you could be stupid about somenthing ELSE
that you are completely ignorant about.
> 'without GR we could not have GPS 'ie
> one little mistake in gR calculations--
> will paralise the whole GPS system !!! (:-)
> exactly as a simple natural sun falre !!
> it produced billions of $ to the worlds Economy'!!!!
>
> poor me
> i rather thought that GR has nothing to do with chemistry
You rather thought many thinkgs that are cmpletely wrong, so why
should this be different?
> (it seems that there isno llimit to stupidity
> in connecting chemistry to GR !!)
If there is stupidity about it, it is mine, not Sam's. On the other
hand, SR was built into theoretical chemistry very long ago. I suspect
you even less about theoretical chemistry than you do about physics,
or English.
>
> and i thought that GR actually
> cause a waist of billons to the worlds economy
"cause a waist".... Yes, it caused the waists of "wasted" pantywaists
like you to be trimmed.
>
> not to mension the inavluable time waist !!!!
Does one put a belt around a time "waist"
>
> Y.Porat
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Jeckyl
> hey Jekyle (Hide ) sweety!!
> i thought that you dont want to deal with me anymore ???
> so ??
> cant you find as a bump parasite
> a mor e intersting subject to deal with except me ??*(:-)
Fuck off . you insignificant worthless little old Nazi cretin
Eric Gisse
[...]
Gold is yellow and Mercury is liquid because of relativistic effects.
He has had this explained to him before, and he doesn't understand.
I have pointed out the fine structure corrections in spectra are
because of relativity - he doesn't understand. I could derive them for
him, but he wouldn't understand.
T Wake
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Tom Potter
I didn't compute the ionization potentials.
I just posted the data so that you or anyone
who thinks that gamma does a better job of
computing ionization potentials than beta^2 / 2
can compute it for themselves.
And I just pointed out that you must
take the number of neutrons in an atom into account
to get the best fit.
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
Eric Gisse
[...]
...and this is what happens when a salesman tries to do physics.
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old fart
GR and curved space time ----has nothing to do with
**chemistry**
at least no one ever proved it !!
it is jsut guesses of people who dont udersatnd
basic physics or chemistry or the structutre of matter !!
you are not only an idot much worse
you are a crook !!!
there shuld be a limit to madness!!
and crookedness
it could only accepted by the psychoapths crooks
***bump parasites ***
like Gisse Wake Jekyle & Co (:-)that no one
really gives a shit on them !! (:-)
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
yes of course little genius:
a bicycle is a bicycle -- because of relativistic effects
as well !!
Y.P
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Y.Porat
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote in message
so who do you keep on refering to me ? psyco!!
do you delude youself that a little Josef Geobeless like you
can beat me
your Nazi parents thought it as well !!
and see what happened to them ......
Y.P
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