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Stan Meyer's Water Fuel Cell International Independent Test-Evaluation Report

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http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4389981
Hydrogen gas injector system for internal combustion engine

Citations

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT1996861
DEVICE FOR PREVENTING BACK-FIRING

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT2109963
APPARATUS FOR SUPPLYING GAS TO IN

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3982878
Burning rate control in hydrogen fuel combustor

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4031865
Hydrogen-oxygen fuel cell for use with internal combustion engines

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4059086
Fuel and lubricating oil supply device

Referenced by

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5178119
Combustion process and fuel supply system for engines

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5183011
Method of controlling the supply of fuel in hydrogen-fueled engine

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5231954
Hydrogen/oxygen fuel cell

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5293857
Hydrogen gas fuel and management system for an internal combustion
engine utilizing hydrogen gas fuel

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5297515
Fuel supply systems for engines and combustion processes therefor

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5501185
Biogas-driven generator set

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6681749
Vapor fueled engine 

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6688293
System and method for auto-ignition support

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6907866
Vapor fueled engine

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6966308
Vapor fueled engine - Raymond Bryce Bushnell, Danny Robert Lewis,
Robert William Parry

http://www.google.com/patents?id=wxh3AAAAEBAJ&dq=7028675
Vapor fueled engine - Raymond Bryce Bushnell, Danny Robert Lewis

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=7380546&OS=7380546&RS=7380546
Vapor fueled engine - Raymond Bryce Bushnell, Danny Robert Lewis,
Robert William Parry

Citations

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3442632
PROCESSES OP PRODUCING -FUEL GASES BY REFORMING LIQUID Bertrand J.
Mayland

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3468641
3468641 - Gross

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3471274
3471274 - Quigley


http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3572297
3572297 - Murray

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3792688
3792688 - Grainger

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3799124
3799124 - Swain

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3897757
3897757 - Abello

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3963000
3963000 - Kosaka

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3995421
3995421 - Kuroiwa

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3995600
3995600 - DeLuca

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4016837
4016837 - Wentworth, Jr.

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4079703
4079703 - Yamane

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4086878
4086878 - Eisele

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4112875
4112875 - Fletcher

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4112889
4112889 - Harpman

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4141326
4141326 - Wolber

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4181100
4181100 - Yamane

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4193755
4193755 - Guarnaschelli

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4274383
4274383 - Adams

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4367700
4367700 - Pace

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4368712
4368712 - Jackson

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4370970
4370970 - Kunz

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4385615
4385615 - Keane

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4458634
4458634 - Carr

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4508064
4508064 - Watanabe

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4622924
4622924 - Lewis

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4628871
4628871 - Glass

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4665879
4665879 - Earl

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4881507
4881507 - San Filipo

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4953514
4953514 - Beicht

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4955351
4955351 - Lewis

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5085176
5085176 - Brinkley, III

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5088452
5088452 - Iwaki

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5092281
5092281 - Iwaki

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5115768
5115768 - Peschka

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5119768
5119768 - Russell

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5140966
5140966 - Wong

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5178118
5178118 - Nakamats

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5183011
5183011 - Fujii

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5226400
5226400 - Birch

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5282497
5282497 - Allison

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5293857
5293857 - Meyer

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5359968
5359968 - Shiraishi

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5363828
5363828 - Yamashita

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5398663
5398663 - Kulasinghe

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5438961
5438961 - Peschka

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5462021
5462021 - Minami

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5548952
5548952 - Stock

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5603290
5603290 - Swain

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5743080
5743080 - Ginter

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5752157
5752157 - Yamashita

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5765538
5765538 - Krimmer

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5782225
5782225 - Caggiano

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5816223
5816223 - Jamrog

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5832718
5832718 - Suttrop

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5890472
5890472 - Saito

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5899188
5899188 - Firey

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5934260
5934260 - Gadkaree

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5944003
5944003 - Osanai

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5946916
5946916 - Ven

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5979418
5979418 - Saruwatari

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6003312
6003312 - Schlichtig

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6015133
6015133 - DeLand

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6044831
6044831 - Takagi

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6053153
6053153 - Moser

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6067966
6067966 - Saito

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6076355
6076355 - Ven

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6095121
6095121 - Osanai

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6116221
6116221 - Matsumoto

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6119651
6119651 - Anderson

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6138644
6138644 - Saruwatari

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6138655
6138655 - Kerns

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6155239
6155239 - Dykstra

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6681749
6681749 - Bushnell

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6880541
6880541 - Hanazaki et al.

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6907866
6907866 - Bushnell et al.

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6966308
6966308 - Bushnell et al.

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT7028675
7028675 - Bushnell et al.

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4421474
Hydrogen gas burner

Citations

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT416130
AIR AND GAS BURNER - Jasper M. Walters

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT2386978
GAS GENERATING BURNER - Charles L. Ruhl

http://www.google.com/patents?id=WB9NAAAAEBAJ&dq=2701608
BURNER - John A. Johnson

Others citing Johnson

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4437314
Atomizer nozzle for continuous fuel injection - Karl-Heinz Collin

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5368472
Low NOx burner - James E. Hovis, Harry P. Finke

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5546925
Inshot fuel burner Nox reduction device with integral positioning
support structure - John T. Knight, Joey W. Huffaker, Michael B.
Rinke

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5636980
Burner apparatus - Timothy M. Young, Earl R. Wade 

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5993196
Burner apparatus - Timothy M. Young, Earl R. Wade 

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6579086
Process and fuel burner with exhaust-gas recirculation - Jorg
Fullemann, Heinrich Boner, Andreas Allemann, Marco Allemann

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3705784
LIQUID FUEL BURNER HAVING REDUCED THERMAL STRESS AND RAPID START-UP
TIME - Robert Reichhelm

Others citing Recichelm

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3994665
Recirculating burner

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4003691
Recirculating burner

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4061463
Combustion system and method

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4278418
Process and apparatus for stoichiometric combustion of fuel oil

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4287857
Burner-boiler combination and an improved burner construction therefor

http://www.google.com/patents?id=250xAAAAEBAJ&dq=4408983
Recuperative burners - Jeffrey Masters, Manjit S. Saimbi, Roger J.
Webb

http://www.google.com/patents?id=J5wCAAAAEBAJ&dq=5388985
Burner assembly with fuel pre-mix and combustion temperature controls
- Joseph E. Musil, Lawrence G. Clawson

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3868211
POLLUTANT REDUCTION WITH SELECTIVE GAS STACK RECIRCULATION - Paul G.
La Haye

Others citing La Haye

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4023921
Oil burner for NO.sub.x emission control

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4089629
Process and apparatus for controlled recycling of combustion gases

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4144017
Pulverized coal combustor

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4162890
Combustion apparatus

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4295822
Producer gas fueled burner system and drying apparatus

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4421474
Hydrogen gas burner

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4422391
Method of combustion of pulverized coal by pulverized coal burner

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4547147
Combustion device for a car

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4659305
Flue gas recirculation system for fire tube boilers and burner
therefor

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4842834
Process for reducing the concentration of pollutants in an effluent

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4862835
Combustion system for burning heavy heating oil with low nox

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4926765
Furnace blower with external gas recycling for the reduction of
NO.sub.x

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4995807
Flue gas recirculation system

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5127821
Premixing burner for producing hot gas

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5129818
Method of feeding back exhaust gases in oil and gas burners

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5193995
Apparatus for premixing-type combustion of liquid fuel

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5195883
Flue gas recirculation system with fresh air purge for burners

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5241915
Apparatus and method to improve pulverizer and reduce NO.sub.x
emissions in coal-fired boilers

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5269679
Staged air, recirculating flue gas low NO.sub.x burner

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5413477
Staged air, low NOX burner with internal recuperative flue gas
recirculation

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5427525
Lox NO.sub.x staged atmospheric burner

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5453004
Method for operation of an oil evaporation burner and an oil
evaporation burner for carrying out the method

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5527984
Waste gas incineration

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5560710
Process for mixing gas jets or streams

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5769010
Furnace including localized incineration of effluents

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6039560
Low NO.sub.x burner and method of controlling recirculation of exhaust
gas

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6200128
Method and apparatus for recovering sensible heat from a hot exhaust
gas

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6302683
Catalytic combustion chamber and method for igniting and controlling
the catalytic combustion chamber

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6896509
Combustion method and burner for carrying out the method

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4021191
Reduction of pollutants in gaseous hydrocarbon combustion products
Paul G. La Haye

Citations

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT1847020
APPARATUS FOR, BURNING FLUID FUEL - ARTHUR B. PARKER, JOHN A.
MAcCORMACK AND REGINALD J. S. PIGOTT

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3254695
BRODLIN DIFFUSION BURNER - W. Brodlin

Others citing Brodlin

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4128390
Fuel vaporizer and burner unit for space heater

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4354479
Infrared ray generator

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4679528
Heating boiler having a vertical burner tube

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5375998
Low NOx premix gas burner

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3378206
ADJUSTABLE FLOW CONTROLLER

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3729285
BURNER AND METHOD OF OPERATING IT TO

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3736747
FIGURE 3 GLENN B. WARREN IN ENTO BY /X I IS ATTOR

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3762390
OIL-FIRED, INFRARED HEATER

Others citing La Haye

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4401039
Fuel preparation and burning system

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4421474
Hydrogen gas burner

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPATRE33464
Method and apparatus for flame generation and utilization of the
combustion products for heating, melting and refining

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5427525
Lox NO.sub.x staged atmospheric burner

Referenced by

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4650415
Combustion chamber for heating devices

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4669973
Combustion chamber for heating devices

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4934927
Perforated flame deflector

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4957431
Heating mantle with a porous radiation wall

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5059117
Radiant tube furnace and method of burning a fuel

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5310334
Method and apparatus for thermal destruction of waste

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6705425
Regenerative combustion device

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6805550
Method of operating a furnace

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6863522
Method for introducing fuel and/or thermal energy into a gas stream


**********

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4465455
Start-up/shut-down for a hydrogen gas burner</h4>
Citations

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT2954080
FUEL BURNER CONTROL SYSTEM - Robert E. Prouty and Charles E. Payne

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3086583
BURNER CONTROL APPARATUS - William A. Reichow

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3980053
Fuel supply apparatus for internal combustion engines - Stephen
Horvath

http://www.google.com/patents?id=ilAwAAAAEBAJ&amp;dq=4056348
Glow coil ignition system with flame sensing - Denis G. Wolfe&nbsp;

Referenced by

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5295818
Control unit for burner assembly

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6113387
Method and apparatus for controlling kiln -&nbsp;Herb G. A. Wilson,
Jeffery Thompson, Robert Perricone, Michael Barkdoll

http://www.google.com/patents?id=YV0KAAAAEBAJ&amp;dq=6443725
Apparatus for generating energy using cyclic combustion of brown
gas&nbsp;- Sang Nam Kim

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6761558
Heating apparatus using thermal reaction of brown gas - Sang Nam Kim


**********

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4613304
Gas electrical hydrogen generator</h4>
Citations

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3969214
Permanent magnet hydrogen oxygen generating cells

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4255403
Magnetically stabilized fluid cross-flow contactor having support
means and process for using the same

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4338919
Solar collector system employing particulate energy collecting media

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4369102
Electrolysis apparatus for decomposing water into hydrogen gas and
oxygen gas

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4421474
Hydrogen gas burner

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4465964
Energy conversion system

Referenced by

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5110436
Water electrolysi

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6982501
Magnetic fluid power generator device and method for generating power

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT7007972
Method and airbag inflation apparatus employing magnetic fluid

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT7200956
Magnetic fluid cushioning device for a footwear or shoe


********

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4613779
Electrical pulse generator

Citations

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT120057
IMPROVEMENT IN MAGNETO-ELECTRIC MACHINES

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT218520
IMPROVEMENT IN MAGNETO-ELECTRIC MACHINES

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3396296
ELECTRIC MOTORS AND GENERATORS E. B. ESTERS

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3535566
INSIDE-OUT DYNAMO-ELECTRIC MACHINE

Referenced by

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5053659
Centrifugal force magnetic field variator

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5844341
Electromagnetic machine with at least one pair of concentric rings
having modularized magnets and yokes


********

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4798661
Gas generator voltage control circuit</h4>

Citations

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3954592
Electrolysis apparatus

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4184931
Method of electrolytically generating hydrogen and oxygen for use in a
torch or the like

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4233132
Method and apparatus for producing hydrogen

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4316787
High voltage electrolytic cell

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4394230
Method and apparatus for splitting water molecules

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4424105.html
Gas generator with regulated current source

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4457221
Sterilization apparatus

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4457816
Electrolysis method for decomposing water into hydrogen gas and oxygen
gas


*******

http://www.google.com/patents?id=79Y9AAAAEBAJ&amp;dq=4826581
Controlled process for the production of thermal energy from gases and
apparatus useful therefore

Citations

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4233109
Dry etching method

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4406765
Apparatus and process for production of amorphous semiconductor

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4687753
Laser produced iron carbide-based catalysts

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4695357
Removal of unsaturated hydrocarbons in anhydrous hydrogen halide by
infrared laser radiation


Referenced by

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5149407
Process and apparatus for the production of fuel gas and the enhanced
release of thermal energy from such gas

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5632870
Energy generation apparatus


*******

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4936961
Method for the production of a fuel gas

Citations

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3740283
METHOD OF MAKING A COMPOSITE PRODUCT OF STRENGTHENED, WATER-BLOWN,
FLEXIBLE POLYURETHANE FOAM &nbsp;- Edwin Morgan Maxey

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4511450
Passive hydrogel fuel generator &nbsp;- Charles W. Neefe

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4696809
Process and apparatus for thermolytically dissociating water&nbsp;-
Andre Vialaron, Gabriel Olalde, Daniel Gauthier

Referenced by

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5149407
Process and apparatus for the production of fuel gas and the enhanced
release of thermal energy from such gas

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5632870
Energy generation apparatus May

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6419815
Method for producing orthohydrogen and/or parahydrogen


*******

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5149407
Process and apparatus for the production of fuel gas and the enhanced
release of thermal energy from such gas

Referenced by

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5632870
Energy generation apparatus

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6126794
Apparatus for producing orthohydrogen and/or parahydrogen

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6419815
Method for producing orthohydrogen and/or parahydrogen

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6790324
Hydrogen producing apparatus&nbsp;

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Cheap, simple; refereed literature references; awesome

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Cwatters

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> On Sep 30, 11:48 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
<snip>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer

Quote: Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it
powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.

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On Oct 4, 7:46 pm, "Cwatters"
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> >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer
>
> Quote: Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it
> powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.

Hello C Watters,

This is wikipedia, let me show you what this means:

Here the significant citation is deleted:

The specific text deleted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell&diff=230509922&oldid=230493486
"According to the witnesses, the Meyer cell remained remarkably cold,
even after hours of gas production as his system appeared to operate
on much smaller current than conventional electrolysis would require."

Reason given for deleting this:
"Media coverage: Non notable fact removed again. GDewilde - you are
all ready well past the WP:3RR limit - please stop doing this or
you'll get blocked for disruptive editing. "

Or: "stop adding sourced material we don't want in the article"

Another such example:

The specific text deleted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell&diff=230450139&oldid=230438901
"Admiral Sir Anthony Griffin, executive officer in the Royal Navy for
42 years, claims the system doesn't violate any laws governing
thermodynamics or physics.<ref>[http://www.theorionproject.org/en/
documents/Griffin.pdf abstract of lecture by Admiral Sir Anthony
Griffin] Lecture by Admiral Sir Anthony Griffin to the maritime
division of south Southampton institute, Warsash, UK as part of the
symposium of the impact of New technology on the Marine Industries,
September 1993.</ref>"

reason given: "Griffin has no technical qualifications, and is talking
bollocks"

Or: "stop adding sourced material we don't want in the article"

***Admiral Sir Admiral Anthony Griffin***

Born in 1920, Griffin entered the Navy in 1934,

In 1971 Griffin was appointed Controller of the Navy and Third Sea
Lord, a position, which he held for no less than five years. Griffin
saw into being the style of fleet we still see today, which ranged
from the smaller aircraft carriers through anti-submarine and anti-
airwar frigates to nuclear submarines.

During Griffin's tenure as President of the Royal Institution of Naval
Architects (RINA), he became convinced of the desirability of merging
the two senior professional bodies, the RINA and the Institute of
Marine Engineers, in order to give the maritime engineer a more
powerful voice. It was through no fault of his own that the ensuing
negotiations failed. He became chairman of governors of Wellington
College and in 1982 was largely instrumental in setting up the British
Maritime League.

Griffin had been selected as chairman designate of the new national
corporation, subsequently known as British Ship Builders, but endured
a long period of uncertainty while the political argument raged. When
the corporation was eventually inaugurated Griffin was chairman for
three years.

Admiral Sir Anthony Griffin's perseverance was legendary as was his
interest in technological developments. From the early 1980s until his
death he became convinced of the possibility of propelling ships with
hydrogen as fuel. The hydrogen was to be obtained through the
hydrolysis of sea water and would indeed have been a major
breakthrough in propulsion.

His resume is much to elaborate to cite here:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n14083837

The sentence : "Griffin has no technical qualifications, and is
talking bollocks"; is not just offencive and erroneous but it suggests
eye witnesses need qualifications before they may be included in the
article.

witnesses for Professor Mike Laughton, Emeritus Professor at the Queen
Mary university of London, Dr Keith Hindley, a UK research chemist
AND Admiral Griffin state:

- the water fuel cell remained remarkably cold, even after hours of
gas production.

- It operated on much smaller current than conventional electrolysis
would require.

Here is the transcript of Griffin's lecture:
http://www.theorionproject.org/en/documents/Griffin.pdf

Here is the article:
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/electronic-world-1991-1.jpg
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/electronic-world-1991-2.jpg

In contrast the statement:

"The Water Fuel Cell however, was examined by three witnesses in court
who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all
and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis". The court
found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay
the two investors their $25,000."

Is sourced with this:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/8ee0acb80e943e21?hl=endc310437cd1cee1e7&

On wikipedia a usenet reference is not allowed at best it is referred
to as a copyright violation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights#Linking_to_copyrighted_works
"if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation
of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work.
Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates
copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in
the United States."

Furthermore, the judge had the recording equipment switched off which
is a far greater federal offence than to be forced to refund 2 out of
hundreds of investors.

The trial could only review the water fuel cell. Professor Laughton
mentioned Meyer gave a lame excuse on the days of examination and did
not allow the test to proceed.

However, the rest of Meyer's technology was patent pending and under
investigation by the patent office, the Department of energy and the
military.

The military wanted some of it classified under the national security
act but previously granted Canadian patent prevented them from pushing
their agenda. Still they have every right to evaluate the situation.
AND you cant expect an inventor to stick his patent art in the public
domain while under review.

You can see this information deleted from wikipedia here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell&diff=next&oldid=230619361

Furthermore Meyer claims the Times article wrongly implies that the
U.S. Patent Office doesn't have the ability to rule on the technical
merits of issued U.S. Patents, as so granted to inventor, Stanley A.
Meyer, under 35 USC 101 and that the article wrongly implies that the
Plaintiff's three experts had the necessary scientific background to
properly evaluate the various stages of the tech-development of the
WFC technology.

This in contrast with Laughton, Griffin and Hindley who have excellent
credentials.

But I understand you are enjoying the economic crisis? What about the
mass death that will follow. Are you ignorant about that also
CWatters?

For comparison,

Paul Pantone was hospitalised indefinitely for not getting along with
his corrupt lawyer. He was refused his right to his own legal counsel.
BUT BUT BUT they did record everything in court this time.

http://paul-pantone-court-recordings.go-here.nl

December 12, 2005 Court Hearing.
http://paul-pantone-court-recordings.go-here.nl/Pantone%20Court_2005%2012%2012.mp3

February 28, 2007 Court Hearing. http://paul-pantone-court-recordings.go-here.nl/Pantone_Court_2007_02_28.mp3

April 18, 2007 Judge Royal Hansen denies Paul Pantone his right of
choice of counsel. http://paul-pantone-court-recordings.go-here.nl/Pantone_Court_2007_04_18.mp3

December 11, 2007 Court Hearing about recusal.
http://paul-pantone-court-recordings.go-here.nl/Pantone_Court_2007_12_11a.mp3

January 7, 2008 4th District Hearing on Utah State Hospital abuse.
http://paul-pantone-court-recordings.go-here.nl/Pantone_Court_2008_01_07.mp3

January 9, 2008 Hearing on Judge Royal Hansen's recuse status.
http://paul-pantone-court-recordings.go-here.nl/Pantone_Court_2008_01_09.mp3

You can stick your pathetic excuses up your economic anus fucktard.

Pantone is dying from _intentional_ medical and caregiver neglect.
Without significant public intervention, Pantone is likely to be dead
SOON.
http://www.geetfriends.net/persecution/med.pdf

under Utah Code 63-30d-301(5)(b) state employees (including judges)
can engage in the following activities against Utah citizens and
visitors with immunity from state prosecution:

assault, battery, false imprisonment, false arrest, malicious
prosecution, intentional trespass, abuse of process, libel, slander,
deceit, interference with contract rights, infliction of mental
anguish, or violation of civil rights

This is how a judge like Royal Hansen can deny Paul Pantone and others
their basic civil rights and get away with it.

Let me illustrate Utah Code 63-30d-301(5)(b)

Militarized Police Storm Utah Rave, Beat Partygoers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxgdzOdaNtM

The professional DJ that was booked described the event as follows:

"This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them
they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the
event. They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating
any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on
the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the
security guards for possession.

Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The
owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something
similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the
police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to
LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her,
but made her leave her own property!!!

Don't get it twisted, this is all going down in probably THE most
conservative state in the USA. And this is scary.. a gross violation
of our civil liberties. The police wanted this party shut down, so
they made it happen. Even though everything about this event was
legal. The promoters spent over $ 20,000 on this show and did
everything they had to to make it legit, only to have it taken away
from them by a group of radical neo-con's with an agenda.

This was one of the scariest things I have ever witnessed in person. I
can't even begin to describe how surreal it was. Helicopters, assault
rifles, tear gas, camoflauge-wearing soldiers.... why? Was that really
necessary? "

So unless you are fucking retarded you know exactly what happened to
Meyer, you know exactly what happened to Pantone and you know exactly
how wikipedia works.

This is what it looks like:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5238596150388648518

This is how to build it:
http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/articles/geet/geet.htm

Here is a tutorial how to build it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYNnShvPDTQ

And here is what your future looks like.
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=CNY&amt=1&t=5y

Look how you are to fucking stooopid to edit wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CWatters

Nuf said.

Now fuck off morron, you wasted enough of my time.


___
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2#
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

doug

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You own data posted below shows that the admiral is not a trained
scientist. He had the wool pulled over his eyes and fell for the
fraud.

So?


>
> - It operated on much smaller current than conventional electrolysis
> would require.
>
> Here is the transcript of Griffin's lecture:
> http://www.theorionproject.org/en/documents/Griffin.pdf
>

Read these and you will see they are full of nonsense in an
attempt to make the presentation look scientific but it is
all just a repeat of meyer's fraudulent claims.


> Here is the article:
> http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/electronic-world-1991-1.jpg
> http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/electronic-world-1991-2.jpg
>
> In contrast the statement:
>
> "The Water Fuel Cell however, was examined by three witnesses in court
> who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all
> and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis". The court
> found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay
> the two investors their $25,000."

The experts were right. There is nothing new there except the fraud.


>
> Is sourced with this:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/8ee0acb80e943e21?hl=endc310437cd1cee1e7&
>
> On wikipedia a usenet reference is not allowed at best it is referred
> to as a copyright violation:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights#Linking_to_copyrighted_works
> "if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation
> of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work.
> Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates
> copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in
> the United States."
>
> Furthermore, the judge had the recording equipment switched off which
> is a far greater federal offence than to be forced to refund 2 out of
> hundreds of investors.
>
> The trial could only review the water fuel cell. Professor Laughton
> mentioned Meyer gave a lame excuse on the days of examination and did
> not allow the test to proceed.

Meyer knew that it only "worked" when he was in control of the
setting and could help the fraud. If it really worked, he would
have been happy to show it.

knews4...@yahoo.com

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On Oct 3, 11:12 pm, DB <a...@some.net> wrote:
> The institutionalist seem to have a lot of time on their hands.....
>

So do Senior Engineers.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/browse_frm/thread/2edf4e97d3a3c1b3/b1bfb5c0e377692d?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=gary+johnson#b1bfb5c0e377692d

knews4...@yahoo.com

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It means YOU are an idiot and don't believe assigned experts from the
Royal Institute of Naval Architects and SO you are NOT GOING TO
BELIEVE ANYONE UNTIL YOU BUILD YOUR OWN CELL.


So?.....FUCK OFF.

doug

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knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:

Meyer's claims violate experimentally verified laws of physics.
There is no need to build a cell, it cannot work without much
of known physics being totally wrong. Why do you not build one
and try to verify the operation? You are the one who is not
aware that it is a fraud.
>
>
> So?.....FUCK OFF.

gdew...@gmail.com

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On Oct 7, 6:49 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Oct 7, 10:38 am, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
>
> > > witnesses Professor Mike Laughton, Emeritus Professor at the Queen

> > > Mary university of London,  Dr Keith Hindley, a UK research chemist
> > > AND Admiral Griffin state:
>
> > > - the water fuel cell remained remarkably cold, even after hours of
> > > gas production.
>
> > So?
>
> It means YOU are an idiot and don't believe assigned experts from the
> Royal Institute of Naval Architects and SO you are NOT GOING TO
> BELIEVE ANYONE UNTIL YOU BUILD YOUR OWN CELL.
>
> So?.....FUCK OFF.

Yes, you are right, doug is merely doing his driveby knee jerk
petroapologist act.

He delivers exelend evidence of this.

doug: "the admiral is not a trained scientist. He had the wool pulled


over his eyes and fell for the fraud."

And a hoax and a scam and a kook right?

This is what the future looks like.
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=CNY&amt=1&t=5y

Perhaps we should take Sir wool pulled, fraud, controller, hoax,
Admiral, kook, chairman of British Ship Builders, crank, Third Sea
Lord, scam, President of the Royal Institution of Naval Architects
serious as a 3rd eye witness?

I mean there was a chemist and a proffessor?

It's just a thought of course. I'm not sure if your smear job
description allows for the likes of such, the results therefrom in the
context thereof.

Here is the transcript of Sir Griffin's lecture:
http://www.theorionproject.org/en/documents/Griffin.pdf

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http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

Fred Kasner

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And why is it that nobody other than what Meyer claimed has been able to
reproduce the claime phenomenon? Where is the commercial production that
would solve the USA energy problems? Nothing at all save a bunch of
claims that you parrot. No product. And don't waste our time about the
problems about creating corporations. It has been many many years and
nothing new save more claims. As a pure empirical approach the answer is
that the whole scheme is a failure.
FK

doug

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gdew...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Oct 7, 6:49 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>On Oct 7, 10:38 am, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>witnesses Professor Mike Laughton, Emeritus Professor at the Queen
>>>>Mary university of London, Dr Keith Hindley, a UK research chemist
>>>>AND Admiral Griffin state:
>>
>>>>- the water fuel cell remained remarkably cold, even after hours of
>>>>gas production.
>>
>>>So?
>>
>>It means YOU are an idiot and don't believe assigned experts from the
>>Royal Institute of Naval Architects and SO you are NOT GOING TO
>>BELIEVE ANYONE UNTIL YOU BUILD YOUR OWN CELL.
>>
>>So?.....FUCK OFF.
>
>
> Yes, you are right, doug is merely doing his driveby knee jerk
> petroapologist act.

No, I believe in the laws of physics. Why have you not build
a cell if you believe it works?


>
> He delivers exelend evidence of this.

Well, Meyer's work is free for anyone to use. There are no
restrictions on it. Energy prices are high and will be
higher. If it works, there are billions of dollars to be
made from it. No one is doing anything with it. If it
worked, there would be many companies rushing to produce
it. Just think, free research is available to them. No
one is doing anything which means that it does not work.
This is, of course, in addition to the physics reasons that
it does not work.


>
>
> ***Admiral Sir Admiral Anthony Griffin***

So you think the laws of physics change because an
admiral wants them to?


>
> Born in 1920, Griffin entered the Navy in 1934,
>
> In 1971 Griffin was appointed Controller of the Navy and Third Sea
> Lord, a position, which he held for no less than five years. Griffin
> saw into being the style of fleet we still see today, which ranged
> from the smaller aircraft carriers through anti-submarine and anti-
> airwar frigates to nuclear submarines.
>
> During Griffin's tenure as President of the Royal Institution of Naval
> Architects (RINA), he became convinced of the desirability of merging
> the two senior professional bodies, the RINA and the Institute of
> Marine Engineers, in order to give the maritime engineer a more
> powerful voice. It was through no fault of his own that the ensuing
> negotiations failed. He became chairman of governors of Wellington
> College and in 1982 was largely instrumental in setting up the British
> Maritime League.

Architecture is not science.


>
> Griffin had been selected as chairman designate of the new national
> corporation, subsequently known as British Ship Builders, but endured
> a long period of uncertainty while the political argument raged. When
> the corporation was eventually inaugurated Griffin was chairman for
> three years.
>
> Admiral Sir Anthony Griffin's perseverance was legendary as was his
> interest in technological developments. From the early 1980s until his
> death he became convinced of the possibility of propelling ships with
> hydrogen as fuel. The hydrogen was to be obtained through the
> hydrolysis of sea water and would indeed have been a major
> breakthrough in propulsion.

Except the laws of physics get in the way.


>
> His resume is much to elaborate to cite here:
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n14083837
>
> doug: "the admiral is not a trained scientist. He had the wool pulled
> over his eyes and fell for the fraud."
>
> And a hoax and a scam and a kook right?

Ignorant yes. The rest is unimportant.


>
> This is what the future looks like.
> http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=CNY&amt=1&t=5y
>
> Perhaps we should take Sir wool pulled, fraud, controller, hoax,
> Admiral, kook, chairman of British Ship Builders, crank, Third Sea
> Lord, scam, President of the Royal Institution of Naval Architects
> serious as a 3rd eye witness?
>
> I mean there was a chemist and a proffessor?
>
> It's just a thought of course. I'm not sure if your smear job
> description allows for the likes of such, the results therefrom in the
> context thereof.

It does not work. It was found to be a fraud in court and it
still does not work. That is not smear, it is fact.


>
> Here is the transcript of Sir Griffin's lecture:
> http://www.theorionproject.org/en/documents/Griffin.pdf

Be sure and read this. It is hilarious and makes the point of
the admiral's ignorance better than I could from exerpts.
>
> _____
> http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

doug

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Fred Kasner wrote:

The patents are free now. There is a need. But nothing shows up in
the market. Pretty good proof it does not work. It is also interesting
that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That
is somehow our responsibility in their minds.

gdew...@gmail.com

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Oct 7, 2008, 1:57:59 PM10/7/08
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On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
> The patents are free now.

A correct observation.

> There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.

The point of the post was to show some patents.

> Pretty good proof it does not work.

Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.

> It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves.  That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.

Nice try but that what I build wouldn't be more credible than
everything readily available to you.

http://www.biosmeanslife.com
http://www.ecotube.co.nz

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/bc38645c8dc05b82?hl=en
On Jun 4, 5:19 am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dominionpost/4235639a6479.html
> Bios Fuel began with a concept in 1996, as founder Steve Ryan was
> tinkering with an old motorbike engine in an Auckland garage. He
> started to believe that burning the hydrogen contained in water in a
> combustion engine was not just science fiction. In 2002 he left a
> finance career to focus on researching the concept.
>
> On May 23, 7:33 pm, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Whilst completing the 2007 World Solar Challenge, the Bios Fuel team
> > raised enough funds for ChildFund NZ to install Safe Water Facilities
> > in 3 schools in India. Safe drinking water is a major problem in
> > developing countries such as India. The safe drinking water facility
> > for the schools will contribute to minimising water borne diseases
> > caused from drinking and using dirty water. Water borne diseases cause
> > 1 out of every 4 deaths in children around the world, that’s 5,000
> > deaths a day.
>
> > Among his inventions Steve Ryan has developed a process by which his
> > stock Suzuki 350cc motorcycle runs on regular tap water.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_LQqJk740
>
> > The homepage:http://www.biosmeanslife.com/home.html
>
> > Some coverage:http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
>
> > A quick rundown on the water fuel topic.http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
>
> > Looking at xogen for example we do have the means of giving everyone
> > drinking water the moment we want to.
>
> >http://xogen.ca
>
> On May 23, 8:24 pm, gaby de wilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:>http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
> > As part of the Greenfleet Class of the Panasonic World Solar Challenge
> > 2007 New Zealand company Bios Fuel Corporation has demonstrated what
> > many believe to be the impossible - running a virtually unmodified
> > diesel engine on their H2W+ fuel blend comprising of 40% Water and 60%
> > Waste Mineral oil for 3000 kilometres across the Australian Desert.
>
> >http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:BiosFuel
> > New Zealand inventor, Steve Ryan, claims to have devised a method of
> > using water used as fuel directly, in contrast to using water as a
> > source of Hydrogen, which then serves as the combustable fuel. More
> > recently, the company has developed a proprietary catalyst that
> > enables water to mix with waste oil to provide fuel. The mixtures are
> > in process of being tested by the EPA in the U.S., the results of
> > which are expected in January or February of 2008.


doug

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Oct 7, 2008, 3:40:48 PM10/7/08
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gdew...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
>
>>The patents are free now.
>
>
> A correct observation.
>
>
>> There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.
>
>
> The point of the post was to show some patents.

They are out there for free and no one is interested.


>
>
>>Pretty good proof it does not work.
>
>
> Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.
>
>
>>It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.
>
>
> Nice try but that what I build wouldn't be more credible than
> everything readily available to you.

You would then find out that it did not work. It is not our
responsibility to do this work to show you that the laws of
physics are in good condition and meyer did nothing to break
them.
>
> http://www.biosmeanslife.com
> http://www.ecotube.co.nz

Note the use of the future tense in their blurbs. They have nothing to
show.


>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/bc38645c8dc05b82?hl=en
> On Jun 4, 5:19 am, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dominionpost/4235639a6479.html
>>Bios Fuel began with a concept in 1996, as founder Steve Ryan was
>>tinkering with an old motorbike engine in an Auckland garage. He
>>started to believe that burning the hydrogen contained in water in a
>>combustion engine was not just science fiction. In 2002 he left a
>>finance career to focus on researching the concept.
>>
>>On May 23, 7:33 pm, "gdewi...@gmail.com" <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Whilst completing the 2007 World Solar Challenge, the Bios Fuel team
>>>raised enough funds for ChildFund NZ to install Safe Water Facilities
>>>in 3 schools in India. Safe drinking water is a major problem in
>>>developing countries such as India. The safe drinking water facility
>>>for the schools will contribute to minimising water borne diseases
>>>caused from drinking and using dirty water. Water borne diseases cause
>>>1 out of every 4 deaths in children around the world, that’s 5,000
>>>deaths a day.
>>
>>>Among his inventions Steve Ryan has developed a process by which his
>>>stock Suzuki 350cc motorcycle runs on regular tap water.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_LQqJk740

Yes, youtube, a noted scientific journal.


>>
>>>The homepage:http://www.biosmeanslife.com/home.html
>>
>>>Some coverage:http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm

This was a year ago and they were to have plants up before the
end of 2007. If it worked, they would be rich.


>>
>>>A quick rundown on the water fuel topic.http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
>>
>>>Looking at xogen for example we do have the means of giving everyone
>>>drinking water the moment we want to.
>>
>>>http://xogen.ca
>>
>>On May 23, 8:24 pm, gaby de wilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:>http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0711/S00017.htm
>>
>>>As part of the Greenfleet Class of the Panasonic World Solar Challenge
>>>2007 New Zealand company Bios Fuel Corporation has demonstrated what
>>>many believe to be the impossible - running a virtually unmodified
>>>diesel engine on their H2W+ fuel blend comprising of 40% Water and 60%
>>>Waste Mineral oil for 3000 kilometres across the Australian Desert.
>>
>>>http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:BiosFuel
>>>New Zealand inventor, Steve Ryan, claims to have devised a method of
>>>using water used as fuel directly, in contrast to using water as a
>>>source of Hydrogen, which then serves as the combustable fuel. More
>>>recently, the company has developed a proprietary catalyst that
>>>enables water to mix with waste oil to provide fuel. The mixtures are
>>>in process of being tested by the EPA in the U.S., the results of
>>>which are expected in January or February of 2008.
>

Well, it is past January or February of 2008. You seem unaware that
water is the ash that you get when you burn hydrogen. The bond energy
has been removed. Catalysts cannot change the enthalpy.
>
>

knews4...@yahoo.com

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On Oct 7, 12:40 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

> gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
>
> >>The patents are free now.
>
> > A correct observation.
>
> >> There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.
>
> > The point of the post was to show some patents.
>
> They are out there for free and no one is interested.
>
>
>
> >>Pretty good proof it does not work.
>
> > Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.
>
> >>It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.
>
> > Nice try but that what I build wouldn't be more credible than
> > everything readily available to you.
>
> You would then find out that it did not work. It is not our
> responsibility to do this work to show you that the laws of
> physics are in good condition and meyer did nothing to break
> them.
>
>
>
> >http://www.biosmeanslife.com
> >http://www.ecotube.co.nz
>
> Note the use of the future tense in their blurbs. They have nothing to
> show.
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/bc38645c8dc05b...

"Natural water" is charged ash that has static, photon, and vacuum
energy within.

(transcribed as written)

Dec. 14, 96

Dear Mr. Meyer,

thank you kindly for your envoy.

The enclosures will certainly interest you.

I may also attract your attention to the last two
brochores of
this association, Nos. 33 and 34, in which I refer
to the tested
overunity effect of your technology. These will be
available as
copies from the A. Keith Brewer Sc. Library. (see
enclosure_)

We are now preparing for the EXPO 2000 World
exhibition in
Hannover, June thru October, 2000.

We will present there the modalities of the
conversion of
Vacuum Field Energy on which also your proceedure
is based
on. You are highly welcomed to present your
technology
there, along with others.

Please let us stay in close contact for this
perticular reason.
About 40 Mio. people are expected to come.!!

With my best regards,
Sincerely
(Dr. H. A. Nieper)
President, The German Association of Vacuum field
Energy

JW has a copy of the original letter.
http://www.rense.com/general82/wtr1.htm
http://www.rense.com/general82/wtr2.htm

But you guys know more that Dr Nieper right????????????????

Dorks, dorks, dorks, dorks,....
If it looks like a Dork, and acts like a Dork, ...it is a DORK.

doug

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knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:

The only energy that matters is the chemical energy and the
available energy has been removed. The other items mentioned
are just meyers fraud images.

Yes we do. This was 12 years ago and nothing has happened. If it
were real, we would buy them in Walmart. You seem to miss the
point, if it were valuable people would use it to make billions
of dollars. It is free and no one wants it. That is because it
does not work.

knews4...@yahoo.com

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Oct 8, 2008, 1:35:12 AM10/8/08
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On Oct 7, 3:04 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:

> knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 12:40 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
>
> >>gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>The patents are free now.
>
> >>>A correct observation.
>
> >>>>There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.
>

You think it takes 5 minutes?
You've been watching too much TV and are a spoiled little FUCKER.

They would have been "on the market"years ago if Meyer wasn't
"poisoned."

> >>>The point of the post was to show some patents.
>
> >>They are out there for free and no one is interested.
>

OOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Now you know how man people have looked at Meyer's patents for the
LAST 20+ YEARS and you KNOW that "no one is interested."
You are a FUCKING WIZARD.

> >>>>Pretty good proof it does not work.
>

Let's see.
If "no one" according to YOU, is "interested" according to YOU, then
it "doesn't work" according to YOU.

FUCKING BRILLIANT.
Where did you say you got you degree?

> >>>Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.
>

Amen.

> >>>>It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.
>

Proof of you ludicrous claim?

Just HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW I'M NOT ONE OF THESE GUYS?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lawton+cell&search_type=

Eeyore

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Oct 8, 2008, 3:21:17 AM10/8/08
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"gdew...@gmail.com" wrote:

> "Cwatters"
> <colin.wattersNOS...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com>
> > >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer
> >
> > Quote: Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it
> > powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.
>
> Hello C Watters,

Bye bye gdewilde.

Time for a killfile I fear again.

Graham

gdew...@gmail.com

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Oct 8, 2008, 3:31:45 AM10/8/08
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On Oct 8, 9:21 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Thanks Graham.

Eeyore

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Oct 8, 2008, 3:35:57 AM10/8/08
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knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:

> It means YOU are an idiot and don't believe assigned experts from the
> Royal Institute of Naval Architects and SO you are NOT GOING TO
> BELIEVE ANYONE UNTIL YOU BUILD YOUR OWN CELL.

Build one yourself then ! And show it to us working with full meaurements of
power in vs gas volume produced.

Until then you are merely a blathering IDIOT.

A month or two ago you said you were going to make one didn't you. You even
had a 'technician' IIRC. Discovered it didn't work eh but still have to keep
up the pretence ?


Graham

Eeyore

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Oct 8, 2008, 4:01:08 AM10/8/08
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doug wrote:

> knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > But you guys know more that Dr Nieper right????????????????
>
> Yes we do. This was 12 years ago and nothing has happened. If it
> were real, we would buy them in Walmart. You seem to miss the
> point, if it were valuable people would use it to make billions
> of dollars. It is free and no one wants it. That is because it
> does not work.

Apparently knews4u2chew has no understanding of 'the market' or capitalism amongst his many other absences of knowledge.

Graham

doug

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knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:

> On Oct 7, 3:04 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
>
>>knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 7, 12:40 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>The patents are free now.
>>
>>>>>A correct observation.
>>
>>>>>>There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.
>>
>
> You think it takes 5 minutes?

It have been ten years. Plenty of time for a revolutionary
product to take the market by storm. Not enough time for
a fraud to be respun.

> You've been watching too much TV and are a spoiled little FUCKER.
>
> They would have been "on the market"years ago if Meyer wasn't
> "poisoned."
>
>
>>>>>The point of the post was to show some patents.
>>
>>>>They are out there for free and no one is interested.
>>
>
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
> Now you know how man people have looked at Meyer's patents for the
> LAST 20+ YEARS and you KNOW that "no one is interested."
> You are a FUCKING WIZARD.

Even you are not interested enough to actually build one.
Where are the products?


>
>
>>>>>>Pretty good proof it does not work.
>>
>
> Let's see.
> If "no one" according to YOU, is "interested" according to YOU, then
> it "doesn't work" according to YOU.

It is the laws of physics that say it does not work. I have no
say in those and neither did Meyer.


>
> FUCKING BRILLIANT.
> Where did you say you got you degree?
>
>
>>>>>Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.
>>
> Amen.
>
>
>>>>>>It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.
>>
>
> Proof of you ludicrous claim?
>
> Just HOW IN THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW I'M NOT ONE OF THESE GUYS?

Show us your cell and test results.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lawton+cell&search_type=
>
This is a video, not a test. Where are the results?

Fred Kasner

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Oct 8, 2008, 7:27:20 PM10/8/08
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And here it is October of 2008! What were the results? Positive? If so
we sure could use it immediately. Is the EPA hiding the results. Of
course Bush's minions are well known for suppressing science. But what a
coup for the Bush administration to announce they had solved the high
price of petroleum problem. They wouldn't miss that. What is your opinion?
FK

Fred Kasner

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Oct 8, 2008, 7:32:16 PM10/8/08
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So now, you are no longer telling us that Meyer (as some reported)
claimed he wsa poisoned. Now you repeat is as truth (without any
evidence presented at all) that Meyer was poisoned. More of your
unprovable assertions.
FK

knews4...@yahoo.com

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Oct 9, 2008, 12:55:41 AM10/9/08
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On Oct 8, 4:27 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> gdewi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 8:31 pm, doug <x...@xx.com> wrote:
> >> The patents are free now.
>
> > A correct observation.
>
> >> There is a need. But nothing shows up in the market.
>
> > The point of the post was to show some patents.
>
> >> Pretty good proof it does not work.
>
> > Pretty good proof of deductive reasoning.
>
> >> It is also interesting that these folks pushing this have never built one themselves. That is somehow our responsibility in their minds.
>
> > Nice try but that what I build wouldn't be more credible than
> > everything readily available to you.
>
> >http://www.biosmeanslife.com
> >http://www.ecotube.co.nz
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/bc38645c8dc05b...

Why would Bush and his oil soaked cabal of New World Orderists that
are MAKING BILLIONS off their WAR MACHINE, who's DOCUMENTED agenda is
DEPOPULATION of the planet, want YOU to have "free" energy?

Why don't you read about the Agenda of the CFR?
Check the part about a "manageable population."
Why do you think the "schools" are dumbing down everyone?
Why do you think they built a fiat money system owned and controlled
by Zionist Banksters which is PURPOSE BUILT TO FAIL is falling apart
as we speak?
Why do you think Rosthchild wouldn't give Meyer the financing he
needed to get his work established?
I'll tell you.
Because Meyer wouldn't remove his "Christ is Lord' off his materials
and machines.

You think Bush and his Satanic friends are looking out for you and me?

You are a bigger fool than I thought.

gabydewilde

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Oct 9, 2008, 1:14:06 AM10/9/08
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Where is your contribution Fred Professor?

Make me read hogwash?

Why are you writing this, I really want to know now.

Do you earn a lot of money with the smear campaine?

Is it worth killing everyone?

Who gets the best pay? You, Don Lancaster, Doug or rabbit man?

_____
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/stanley-allan-meyer/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/6
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/Yull-Brown/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/9
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/garrett-carburetor/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/5
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress
http://wind-car.go-here.nl/

Eeyore

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Oct 9, 2008, 8:52:29 AM10/9/08
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doug wrote:

> knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lawton+cell&search_type=
> >
> This is a video, not a test. Where are the results?

They go "ooh look it fizzes" and that's all the proof they apparently need. Why bother with measurements and publishing results ? It's a bit like a
religion isn't it ? What is it they ? 'Proof denies faith' I think therfore they must never find proof or their religion will crumble.

Graham


Fred Kasner

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Oct 10, 2008, 6:27:20 PM10/10/08
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gabydewilde wrote:

... snip worthless and unprovable assertions ...

>> So now, you are no longer telling us that Meyer (as some reported)
>> claimed he wsa poisoned. Now you repeat is as truth (without any
>> evidence presented at all) that Meyer was poisoned. More of your
>> unprovable assertions.
>> FK
>
> Where is your contribution Fred Professor?

ASTM Committee D.02.11 (Testing and properties of high performance
aerospace fluids)


> Make me read hogwash?
>
> Why are you writing this, I really want to know now.

I really am glad you want to know why I respond to such nonsense. I have
spent the larger part of my career in education. I got started in this
stuff after doing some research at Argonne National Laboratory on the
thermodynamics of lanthanum nickel hydride formation (at one time a
promising carrier for hydrogen for motive power) and came to this news
group because there was a lot of nonsense being circulated by some
participants.

> Do you earn a lot of money with the smear campaine?

I have made absolutely no money nor have I smeared anyone who wasn't
insistent that
I and others were - as do you - villains for repeating the truth about
false claims in regard to hydrogen as a fuel.

> Is it worth killing everyone?

My killing days ended with the end of WWII.


> Who gets the best pay? You, Don Lancaster, Doug or rabbit man?

I believe they all get the same pay as do I. Namely a negative amount as
there are some
expenses involved as well as a lot of time in attempting to refute
claims that the laws of themodynamics can be repealed by bluster alone.

FK

Fred Kasner

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Oct 10, 2008, 6:45:13 PM10/10/08
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This is the biggest laugh I have had in many years. I presume you also
have proof positive that I am somehow also an agent of the devil. Are
you somehow claiming to be a Messiah? You and your minions have been
given holy orders to lead us all into a some paradise where the laws of
thermodynamics are no longer needed. And for that matter I suppose that
we also really won't need any energy for all sorts of essentials whatsoever.

Hey, I like that wonderful canard about (this proves once again that you
are really JW, since he was the only one to use the term "banksters" on
this NG) "Zionists Bankster". There are perhaps about 12 million persons
in this world who identify as Jews. Of that perhaps about 25% of them
are supporters of Zionism (a commitment to a certain part of the near
east as a traditional national home for those who identify as Jews.) The
percentage of Zionists among my friends and business acquaintances is
even smaller. Most Jews would have prefered a fresh start in the "new
world" where there is no official anti-semitism nor overwhelming
population anti-semitism. But the fragment of European Jewry after the
Holocaust wanted a location where they could determine their own way of
life and support themselves in a traditional homeland. That is what
Zionism is all about and it has nothing to do with banks international
or not. Contrary to your revealed anti-semitism only a very small
portion of the banking world has Jews in high places. The Rothschilds
are not one of the megabanks of the world and are as much a tool
manipulated by the super banks as you are a tool of the bank down the
street from where you live. I doubt that Meyer approached the Rothshilds
at all. Why would he deal with a fairly large French bank when there are
lots of US banks that would deal with such modest industrial loans as he
wanted rather than a French bank that was used to dealing with very
large corporations in Europe. You perfervid anti-semitism makes you
incapable of any rational argument at all.

FK

knews4...@yahoo.com

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Oct 10, 2008, 11:05:26 PM10/10/08
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On Oct 10, 3:45 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

No, you just think you know EVERYTHING there is to know about Quantum
phenomenon.

>Are
> you somehow claiming to be a Messiah?

No such thing.
Never was, never will be.

>You and your minions have been
> given holy orders to lead us all into a some paradise where the laws of
> thermodynamics are no longer needed.

Never claimed anything of the sort and neither did Meyer.
Water and electricity in, water and heat out.
The equation balances.

>And for that matter I suppose that
> we also really won't need any energy for all sorts of essentials whatsoever.
>

Now I see why you teach, to help dumb down the population.

> Hey, I like that wonderful canard about (this proves once again that you
> are really JW, since he was the only one to use the term "banksters" on
> this NG) "Zionists Bankster".

Is that so?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22banksters&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
121,000 hits.

>There are perhaps about 12 million persons
> in this world who identify as Jews.

So?

>Of that perhaps about 25% of them
> are supporters of Zionism (a commitment to a certain part of the near
> east as a traditional national home for those who identify as Jews.) The
> percentage of Zionists among my friends and business acquaintances is
> even smaller.

So?

>Most Jews would have prefered a fresh start in the "new
> world" where there is no official anti-semitism nor overwhelming
> population anti-semitism.

Yup.
Fact is THEY EAT THEIR OWN.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jews+against+zionism&btnG=Search
But it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the whole barrel.
Many "Zionists" are not jews.
The are plenty of Christian Zionists too.
They are all EVIL little Fuckers.

>But the fragment of European Jewry after the
> Holocaust wanted a location where they could determine their own way of
> life and support themselves in a traditional homeland.

Better get your history straight and start with the Belfour
Declaration.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=BELFOUR+DECLARATION&spell=1

>That is what
> Zionism is all about and it has nothing to do with banks international
> or not.

Sure.

>Contrary to your revealed anti-semitism only a very small
> portion of the banking world has Jews in high places.

They change their names like Chameleons change their colors.
http://www.burkes-peerage.net

>The Rothschilds
> are not one of the megabanks of the world and are as much a tool
> manipulated by the super banks as you are a tool of the bank down the
> street from where you live.

But ear-witness still claim they wouldn't give Meyer financing because
he wouldn't change his logo.

>I doubt that Meyer approached the Rothshilds
> at all.

So?
You doubt everything about Meyer.
You refuse to believe eyewitnesses and experimenters.
If it "Isn't Peer Reviewed" you say "it's impossible."

Who "peer reviewed" Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler?

>Why would he deal with a fairly large French bank when there are
> lots of US banks that would deal with such modest industrial loans as he
> wanted rather than a French bank that was used to dealing with very
> large corporations in Europe.

Because they are all controlled by the same guys that control the
media.

>You perfervid anti-semitism makes you
> incapable of any rational argument at all.
>
> FK

Y
Want to ask my Jewish friends if that is true?
They hate they're evil cousins too.
I told you they eat their own.
They helped Hitler waste a few hundred thousand of their own, helped
finance Stalin to wipe a few million others, and now make millions on
their "victim-hood."
Nice racket.
3% of the population of the planet controls 90% of the wealth Freddy
boy.
5% controls 95%.
13 Satanic Bloodlines.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22satanic+bloodlines%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

gabydewilde

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Oct 11, 2008, 8:53:41 AM10/11/08
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On Oct 11, 12:27 am, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> gabydewilde wrote:
>
> ... snip worthless and unprovable assertions ...
>
> >> So now, you are no longer telling us that Meyer (as some reported)
> >> claimed he wsa poisoned. Now you repeat is as truth (without any
> >> evidence presented at all) that Meyer was poisoned. More of your
> >> unprovable assertions.
> >> FK
>
> > Where is your contribution Fred Professor?
>
> ASTM Committee D.02.11 (Testing and properties of high performance
> aerospace fluids)
>

Ohhhh, so you work directly for the US Department Of Energy fundies.

How revealing.


> I really am glad you want to know why I respond to such nonsense.

Liar.

> I got started in this
> stuff after doing some research at Argonne National Laboratory on the
> thermodynamics of lanthanum nickel hydride formation (at one time a
> promising carrier for hydrogen for motive power)

AHHH HAHAHA

HOAX HOAX HOAX !!!

IT DIDN'T WORK !!! !

HOAX HOAX HOAX! ! !!

HAHAHAHAHHAHA

Who paid for that Fred? The tax payer again?

But that you was incapable of gettin it to work is the most hilarious
part.

I suppose the public has to pay AGAIN to see your "results"?

You are sitting here stalking the public from public funds?

Disgusting!

Here, some sample DOE lies:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LENRCANRthedoelies.pdf
In 2004, the DoE promised to fairly evaluate Cold Fusion claims with
an impartial group of experts. Because the DoE placed
unreasonable limitations on the review process, the necessary
information was not communicated to the assembled experts.
Inevitably, this meant the review was riddled with error,
misunderstanding, and outright rejection based largely on ignorance.
Yet, the Review Summary promised to fairly evaluate any proposal
that was properly submitted. But when the DoE is given a chance to
fulfill this second promise in 2005, they failed again

It's either EPIC FAIL or the DOE lies again and again.

Why the DOE prefers neoconversation of energy over actual experiments?
http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/DoeReview.htm

If it looks like a lie and it stinks like a lie then it is a lie. Lets
have MOAR examples of your DOE lies Fred Kasner with the failed
hydrogen project.

Thermonuclear transmutation of nuclear waste
Brown's Gas can efficiently neutralize radioactive waste though
transmutation right at the reactor[8] [9] [10] [11] [12] thus removing
the need for transportation or storage of nuclear waste. Such
application can revolutionize the nuclear industry.[13]

Transmutation of radioactive waste
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R5G5hTC7pc

Here is some Real science on the topic. Not the petroapologistic
warmongering DOE crap.

http://pacenet.homestead.com/Nucwaste.html
http://pacenet.homestead.com/Transmutation.html

Former state assemblyman Dan Haley from New York investigated the lack
of response after the US Department of Energy observed such
demonstration of transmutation. The DEO invented numerous excuses
after which addressed they finally decided they had seen nothing.

The DOE argued 1) "the radioactivity was encapsulated in the sample",
but the sample was crushed and the Geiger counter reading was the
same. They argued 2) "the radioactivity must be disparaged into the
atmosphere" while the department of health preformed in depth
investigation of the environment. This much to the frustration of the
nuclear physicist preforming the research for it suggested their
incompetence. The laboratory was not closed clearly indicating no
radioactivity was found in or around the building. In stead (after 3
months) the government payroll advanced to the claim they had seen
nothing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=411405755714495752

Nuf said.

All the government was interested in was shutting down the research
over public health.

After 3 months they claimed to have seen nothing!!

BLABLABLABLABLABLA

Uberman reports how the DOE head lies about katrina oil spills.
http://projectkatrina.com/2008/07/31/doe-head-lies-about-katrina-oil-spills/

The following is a summary of CORRE's detailed rebuttal of misleading
information provided by DOE on the contractor pension plans in Oak
Ridge and nationally.
http://www.corre.info/Features/rebuttal_disinfo.htm

What is a climate disinformation activist and former Cheney
speechwriter doing as #2 at DOE Science?
http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/index.php/csw/details/jeffrey_salmon/

> > Do you earn a lot of money with the smear campaine?
>
> I have made absolutely no money nor have I smeared anyone who wasn't

> insistent that.....

First you say you work for the DOE, then you say they didn't give you
money for it.

Now you are saying you havn't smeared anyone who wasn't..."

So you don't deny the smear, and you don't deny you get your money
from the DOE.

Nuf said.

Retirees from DOE Contractors in Oak Ridge retire with an equivalent
of over 99% of their working salary as retirement income.
http://home.comcast.net/~brooks50/AddDisReichle.htm

JA JA JA JA JA JA BWHAHAHAHA

MOAR than 350 documents/videos concerning the energy scam:

http://www.byronwine.com/

The curtain has fallen the show is over, and all the King's horses And
all the King's men Couldn't put Humpty together again!

Lie to me moar petroapologist you.

_____
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

gabydewilde

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On Oct 9, 2:52 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> doug wrote:

> > knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lawton+cell&search_type=
>
> > This is a video, not a test. Where are the results?
>
> They go "ooh look it fizzes" and that's all the proof they apparently need.

Yes Rabbit man, that is all the proof I need. You just chose not to
see his his progress while building it.

I do have to give you some credit, looking at the devoted
disinformation brigade there is a possibility it is all fake.

After his first email it took the Indian tax office 5 hours to raid
Ravi for building his cell.

That could also be one of your disinformation buddies.

Thushara Priyamal Edirisinghe claims to be hiding now.

That could also be one of your disinfo buddies.

Genepax is test driving 2 water fueled cars in Japan.

Sure, that could be an investment scam.

Daniel Dingle has 100 cars running on water in the Philipines.

He is probably making a mistake right?

John W. Keely first build a car running water then build a car running
on nothing. Keely was an expert in sympathetic vibration. Knowing a
bit about chemistry and physics doesn't make you an expert on
acoustics. Music is a study in it self.

But you don't know what sympathy is so it's probably another hoax
right?

Dad Garrett and Charles Garrett drove the journalists around town
refueling at the lake. They also invented police and firetruck radio
so at the very least they knew their electronics.

Tesla build a car that didn't use any fuel.

But Tesla is a krank right? What excellent scientific argument! NOT

Joseph Papp converted piston engines to run without fuel using a noble
gas mix.

etc etc etc

And you don't know shit about any of it.

So lets not pretend your opinion peaces have any value.

Here is my car design specially for you debunkor types:

http://wind-car.go-here.nl/

Well? Debunk it?

Tell me why it doesn't werk?

Lie to me moar?

> Why bother with measurements and publishing results ?

My homepage explains everything you need to know about the wind car.

> It's a bit like a religion isn't it ?

Yes, it's like religion in that it is based on the love for mankind.

Then again you got all your truth's from bookies. HAHAHA

>What is it they ? 'Proof denies faith' I think therfore they must never find proof or their religion will crumble.
>

Debunk the wind car rabbit man.

Go fer it.

Lie to me moar.


_____
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress
http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/water-fueled-car/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2

Fred Kasner

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knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
... snip more of the demented ravings of the junior dummy ...

>>>> FK
>>> Why would Bush and his oil soaked cabal of New World Orderists that
>>> are MAKING BILLIONS off their WAR MACHINE, who's DOCUMENTED agenda is
>>> DEPOPULATION of the planet, want YOU to have "free" energy?
>>> Why don't you read about the Agenda of the CFR?
>>> Check the part about a "manageable population."
>>> Why do you think the "schools" are dumbing down everyone?
>>> Why do you think they built a fiat money system owned and controlled
>>> by Zionist Banksters which is PURPOSE BUILT TO FAIL is falling apart
>>> as we speak?
>>> Why do you think Rosthchild wouldn't give Meyer the financing he
>>> needed to get his work established?
>>> I'll tell you.
>>> Because Meyer wouldn't remove his "Christ is Lord' off his materials
>>> and machines.
>>> You think Bush and his Satanic friends are looking out for you and me?
>>> You are a bigger fool than I thought.
>> This is the biggest laugh I have had in many years. I presume you also
>> have proof positive that I am somehow also an agent of the devil.

On the contrary I am not some kind of polymathic scientist. I am
especially limited in the
biological sciences and could never bother with the social "sciences"
since so much of it appears to be a supreme joke.

> No, you just think you know EVERYTHING there is to know about Quantum
> phenomenon.

On the contrary but compared to you I do know almost everything. You are
hopelessly limited in anything rational.

>> Are
>> you somehow claiming to be a Messiah?
>
> No such thing.
> Never was, never will be.
>
>> You and your minions have been
>> given holy orders to lead us all into a some paradise where the laws of
>> thermodynamics are no longer needed.
>
> Never claimed anything of the sort and neither did Meyer.
> Water and electricity in, water and heat out.
> The equation balances.

Except that experts were NEVER allowed to set up their own test
equipment to check such a claim. Nobody knows what the froth in the
water was it could readily be something other than what Meyer claimed it
was. I strongly suspect so. And when are you going to build your machine
that mimics Meyer's and start selling them so we can all be free of need
for oil for fuel? Put up or shut up, Junior Dummy.

>
>> And for that matter I suppose that
>> we also really won't need any energy for all sorts of essentials whatsoever.
>>
>
> Now I see why you teach, to help dumb down the population.

Idiot I've been retired for many years. And I always emphasized the
necessity for ultimate critical analysis of all new things. If one lacks
the tools to be critical then to keep the questions alive until such
tools are acquired. In your case, ultimate gullibility instead prevails.

Remarkable inability to understand even the simplest of rational argument.


>> But the fragment of European Jewry after the
>> Holocaust wanted a location where they could determine their own way of
>> life and support themselves in a traditional homeland.
>
> Better get your history straight and start with the Belfour
> Declaration.
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=BELFOUR+DECLARATION&spell=1

The Balfour declaration was a token gift for help with the WWI
struggles. And the British never implemented it until the UN in 1948
acceded to creation of a Palestine and an Israel. This was totally
rejected by the Arab states and they started a war to prevent it. It is
this that rallied large scale support for Israel that now has faded
since the world recognizes that they need an essential Arab export.

>
>> That is what
>> Zionism is all about and it has nothing to do with banks international
>> or not.
>
> Sure.
>
>> Contrary to your revealed anti-semitism only a very small
>> portion of the banking world has Jews in high places.
>
> They change their names like Chameleons change their colors.
> http://www.burkes-peerage.net

Not so often as you may believe. However many had their names changed at
late 19th and early 20th century immigration offices since the officials
couldn't understand the names and how to spell them. A friend of mine
who is very orthodox observant Jewish has the name Coleman. Clearly,
according to his grand parents a distortion of a Russian Jewish name
that the immigration official could not spell. Your anti-semitism is
showing again, Junior Dummy.

>
>> The Rothschilds
>> are not one of the megabanks of the world and are as much a tool
>> manipulated by the super banks as you are a tool of the bank down the
>> street from where you live.
>
> But ear-witness still claim they wouldn't give Meyer financing because
> he wouldn't change his logo.
>
>> I doubt that Meyer approached the Rothshilds
>> at all.
>
> So?
> You doubt everything about Meyer.
> You refuse to believe eyewitnesses and experimenters.
> If it "Isn't Peer Reviewed" you say "it's impossible."
>
> Who "peer reviewed" Galileo, Copernicus, Kepler?

Many peers reviewed them. But there were no journals in those days to
they published their results and the other scientists examined them and
either approved or disapproved. They also repeated the experiments
and/or calculations. Actually your attempt to discredit peer review only
strengthens the validity of the method.

BTW, the acceptance of Copernicus' work only came some time after his
death. This was because he was so afraid of Church disapproval that he
claimed it to be only an alternative from the accepted correct system
that Church approved. Your knowledge of history is pathetically incorrect.

>
>> Why would he deal with a fairly large French bank when there are
>> lots of US banks that would deal with such modest industrial loans as he
>> wanted rather than a French bank that was used to dealing with very
>> large corporations in Europe.
>
> Because they are all controlled by the same guys that control the
> media.

That old canard just won't work. "That dog won't hunt!"


>
>> You perfervid anti-semitism makes you
>> incapable of any rational argument at all.
>>
>> FK
>
> Y
> Want to ask my Jewish friends if that is true?
> They hate they're evil cousins too.
> I told you they eat their own.
> They helped Hitler waste a few hundred thousand of their own, helped
> finance Stalin to wipe a few million others, and now make millions on
> their "victim-hood."
> Nice racket.
> 3% of the population of the planet controls 90% of the wealth Freddy
> boy.
> 5% controls 95%.
> 13 Satanic Bloodlines.
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22satanic+bloodlines%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
>

I doubt that your overt anti-semitism allows you to have any Jewish
friends at all. Unless they are dummies such as you. They are hardly all
of genius character.

I suspect that had you been on the list of Hitler's "undesirables" you
would have cooperated with him to save your ass until such time as his
minions decided to eliminate you from the gene pool. His writings made
clear that he would eradicate all the mentally defectives (such as you)
after his final world victory.

Any body who shows so little ability to understand the rudiments of
chemistry and physics is clearly a drain on the level of human
intelligence and would do the human gene pool a favor by an early death
before procreation.

FK

Fred Kasner

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Huh? ASTM was originally called the American Society for Testing and
Materials. It is a voluntary organization supported only my it members
and is in no way connected to any government agency save if its
employees wish to join ASTM - which many do.

I have no idea where you developed the information that I worked for
the DOE? Save for two brief assignments as Wright Patterson Air Force
Base and Argonne National Laboratory my career was all essentially in
the academic world (U. of Chicago, U. of Illinois in Chicago, and City
Colleges of Chicago.) Never worked even briefly for the DOE. But then
again the truth is never an obstacle to your desired outcomes. So if the
truth does not conform to what you want you just invent your own "facts"
and deny the truth. Hopeless imbecile, you.

FK

gdew...@gmail.com

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Oct 14, 2008, 8:30:42 PM10/14/08
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On Oct 15, 12:43 am, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>[..] two brief assignments as Wright Patterson Air Force
> Base and Argonne National Laboratory [..]

In 1994, Wright Patterson Air Force Base research laboratories sought
$7.5 million to develop a weapon known as "The Gay Bomb", a hormone
bomb intended to make enemy soldiers "sexually irresistible" to each
other so that they would be unable to fight.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4174519.stm

human guinea pigs to perfect microwave weapons.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F-ES8Bv0_8w

KILL EVERYBODY: American soldier exposes US policy in Iraq
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU

US War Crimes In Afghanistan
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3879703582207034825

etc etc The US military is one sadist entity.

Wright-Patterson's base is also is where the wreckage of the crashed
Roswell UFO is stored.

Witness to Roswell flying saucer incident tells his story
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071026/news_lz1mc26ufo.html
Among the material discovered was a maleable, foil-like material that
could be laid flat with no creases after being squashed into a ball.

ehhhhmmmmmm

This stuff?
http://www.liquidmetal.com/

The properties of Liquidmetal® alloys suitable for the defense
applications are:

# High Yield Strength
# Unique Acoustical Properties
# High Hardness
# Low Melting Temperature
# High Strength to Weight Ratio
# Net-shape Casting
# Superior Elastic Limit
# Fabrication Process Similar to Plastics
# High Corrosion Resistance
# Non-Magnetic
# High Wear-Resistance

ohhhhhh

High Corrosion Resistance!

How did he know that huh?

The unique Acoustical Properties are very interesting to make hydrogen
by means of sympathetic vibration. Then again, sympathy is completely
alien to the military.

Anyway,

Anything else you want to share?

Some details on the Gay bomb perhaps? Napalming children? Blowing away
civilians? Executing prisoners of war?

Where did Hitler get his tools?

http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/
IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic
alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks
that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As
the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM
and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-
step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to
the selections of the 1940s.

Where did he get the monnies?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power Rumours of a link
between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated
for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events
that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are
still being felt by today's president

Oh, the bushies paid for world war 2.

I think we know enough about the US warmongering agenda now. You
worked at this? How very undesirable.

Lets get back to debunking Stanley Meyer.

Meyer only build some of the stuff Andrija Puharich invented. Andrija
Puharich used 3 frequencies one by one, just like Keely, but he didn't
know about John W. Keely of course.

That was of course because the skool bookies didn't mention Keely. The
academics buried him as if he was Tesla himself.

There, now you learned something again.

Lets see you complaint about it the way you always do.

What will it be? "hoax", "fraud" or "scam" again?

Or all 3 at the same time?

knews4...@yahoo.com

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Oct 14, 2008, 11:45:38 PM10/14/08
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On Oct 8, 1:01 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> doug wrote:

You mean like the "markets and capitalism" that are collapsing as we
speak.
You are the biggest idiot on the net.
Who controls the "capital?"
Who controls the "markets?"
Ever heard the word "derivatives?"
Get ready for a shit storm.
Meanwhile, a few bright people will be off grid and out of the "oil"
energy loop thanks to Meyer and Ted Z.
You, on the other hand, will be food for worms, capitalist worms that
is.
>
> Graham

Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer's Court Case
From: "Ted Zettergren" <ted.zet...@swipnet.se>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:59:28 +0100


John Feiereisen skrev i meddelandet <756atu$mkn
$1...@client2.news.psi.net>...
>For those of you who are unfamiliar, Stanley Meyer patented some
>equipment for fueling an IC engine with hydrogen. In addition to this
>legitimate work, he claimed to be able decompose water into hydrogen
>and oxygen with >100% thermal efficiency, thereby inventing a
>"water-powered car". He sold "marketing rights" for this technology
>to unsuspecting people, one of whom is a regular reader of s.e.h.
>
>Back a couple years, a couple of his investors got wise to his scam
>and took him to court, where Meyer was found guilty of "gross and
>egregious fraud" and ordered to repay those 'investors'. As far as I
>know, those were the only 'investors' who ever recouped their
>'investment'. Meyer died earlier this year and his followers insist
>he was poisoned (all good perpetual motion inventors are stalked by
>THE CONSPIRACY).
>
>After being found guilty of fraud, Meyer sent a long rambling letter
>to the remainder of his 'investors', obviously hoping to ward off a
>spate of trials which would have drained him of his ill-gotten gains.
>It was replete with conspiracy paranoia and claimed that a recording
>device in the courtroom was turned off so the judge (obviously working
>under the direction of THE CONSPIRACY) could railroad Meyer into an
>unjust guilty verdict.
>
>As far as I know, Meyer's home base was Grove City, Ohio, and the
>court case took place in Shelby county, Ohio. I am going to be
>passing through Ohio in a couple weeks and Grove City is but 3 miles
>off my planned route. I can pass through Shelby county with only
>minor adjustment of my planned route through Indiana. I figured I'd
>stop in at the courthouse and see if I can pick up copies of the
>records of the trial.
>
>Does anybody know precisely where and when the trial took place?
>City, county, etc., date(s)??? Possibly an official case name?
>
>Thanks.
>


VERY GOOD Mr. Feiereisen

Take a copy of the tape fromx that trial and put it on the Real Player
so we all can listen to what really happened in the Court.

The most interesting is to hear what the WFC Expert Witnesses and
Electrical Engineer Mathias Johanson has to say.


The first part of the trial started on Thursday/Friday, 1/2 February
1996 before Judge William Corzine III at the Common Pleas Court,
Chillicothe, Ohio.

By the way. If you like to do some experiment, try this.

AT FIRST:

You must know the difference between a chemical reaction and a
nuclear reaction. A lot of people don't understand that but they like
to argue a lot in every NG on Internet.

In a chemical reaction you need a lot of current and some salt for
making the water conductive.

In a nuclear reaction you don't need any current at all, only high
voltage. How much current you need in a real application depends
on how clean your water is. As cleaner as better.

Stanley Meyers method's have NOTHING to do with chemical
reactions.

HOW TO?

As a guide, you need US Patent 4,936,961 ref. figure 1 to 3F.

If you read something about magical frequencyis, forget that.
It works fine with 10KHz or something else if you preferred.
Use 50% duty cycle. BUT! the frequency will be doubled in the
step up circuit and that's the frequency the Water-Cell will work
with. The components must resist at least 2000V.

The Water-Cell is very simple. Take a lot of stainless steel tubes
with the inner diameter of the bigger tube 3mm bigger than the outer
diameter of the inner tube. From now you must look at this
Water-Cell as a capacitor with water as dilectricum.

The Water-Cell and the INDUCTOR will resonate at a specific
frequency. It's a normal RC-circuit.

Now the most important: The Water-Cell/Inductor frequency and
the doubled frequency from the generator must be exactly the
same. A special condition exists in a L/C Circuit, when it is
energized at a frequency at which the inductive reactance is equal
to the capacitive reactance, XL = XC.

Adjust the voltage peak level to reach a maximum hydrogen/oxygen
producing with a minimum of current using. If you earlier make
hydrogen with the electrolysis method with a lot of current,
this experiment will really surprise you.

For even less current you can make some experiment with a
centertapped puls-transformer.

Have a nice trip to Ohio!

Ted!

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