repetition of MMX with radiowaves

[Casimiro]

This is my first letter in this site.
For five years I observed an evident anisotropy of radio waves
travelling in waveguides and lines.
For instance please see this video clip of my last experiment:
http://youtu.be/moUqqNMHn8s

Such measurement is impossible with light...
If Michelson could have modern generator as my Gigatronix 7200 may be
the Physics would have an other evolution...

[Helmut Wabnig]

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:52:35 -0700 (PDT), Casimiro <fa.m...@yahoo.it>
wrote:

First learn how to level your signal generator before you start
revolutioning physics.

Yawn.
You know that you are not the first to do radio MMX,
do you?

w.

[Casimiro]

On 4 Ott, 18:25, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
.
>
> First learn how to level your signal generator before you start
> revolutioning physics.

Yes, of course, I first did it:
Please see this for instance:

http://youtu.be/Fc3GVdb71FE
http://youtu.be/LKs4VMkMxtU

>
> Yawn.
> You know that you are not the first to do radio MMX,
> do you?
>
> w.

No, I did'nt know: Are you so kind to give me such experiment?

Note: I discovered why the T is said "magic" : in detecting the FIRST
ORDER DOPPLER that Maxwell said "impossible" in the Earth. (but at his
times he did'nt know the radio waves, discovered eight years after his
death by Hertz)

[Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway]

"Casimiro" <fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in message news:114e7139-fc0c-4798...@r10g2000vby.googlegroups.com...

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Non capisco italiano più di una tazza di caffè per favore

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway

 

[Casimiro]

On 4 Ott, 19:40, Casimiro <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote:
> On 4 Ott, 18:25, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
> .
>
>
>
> > First learn how to level your signal generator before you start
> > revolutioning physics.
>
> Yes, of course, I first did it:
> Please see this for instance:
>

> http://youtu.be/Fc3GVdb71FEhttp://youtu.be/LKs4VMkMxtU

>
>
>
> > Yawn.
> > You know that you are not the first to do radio MMX,
> > do you?
>
> > w.
>
> No, I did'nt know: Are you so kind to give me such experiment?
>
> Note: I discovered why the T is said "magic" : in detecting the FIRST
> ORDER DOPPLER that Maxwell said "impossible" in the Earth. (but at his
> times he did'nt know the radio waves, discovered eight years after his
> death by Hertz)

In a sucessive experiment I discovered that the phase change noted thr
second video was wrong: because I measured the phase change at extres
of the simple coaxial line made of a wire inside a tube and the
movement of set moved the inside wire of some micron .
Was based on simple DIFFERENCE of vectors.
So I repeated the measure with a magic T rifly connected with
generator.
http://youtu.be/xdksgb84Cjk
http://youtu.be/btO--LFhAMA

[Helmut Wabnig]

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:40:54 -0700 (PDT), Casimiro <fa.m...@yahoo.it>
wrote:

>On 4 Ott, 18:25, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
>.
>>
>> First learn how to level your signal generator before you start
>> revolutioning physics.
>
>Yes, of course, I first did it:
>Please see this for instance:
>
>http://youtu.be/Fc3GVdb71FE
>http://youtu.be/LKs4VMkMxtU
>
>>
>> Yawn.
>> You know that you are not the first to do radio MMX,
>> do you?
>>
>> w.
>
>No, I did'nt know: Are you so kind to give me such experiment?
>

For example:
http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2006/PP-06-11.PDF

[Casimiro]

On 4 Ott, 19:44, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"

<LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:

> Non capisco italiano più di una tazza di caffè per favore
> -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
> Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway

Sorry, I'm not able to speak english (but I'm able to read and enought
to write...).
If I spoken you surely less understood!

[Casimiro]

On 4 Ott, 20:15, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:40:54 -0700 (PDT), Casimiro <fa.mo...@yahoo.it>

I know it. But at 5 MHz he could'nt discover the anisotropy!

[Casimiro]

I wrote to Cahill but he denies the anisotropy. He made experiments
with coaxial cables long tens meters, or with light.
With microwaves nobody made experiments of anisotropy. May be the
inventor of magic T, for that he named it "magic"!

[Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway]

"Casimiro" <fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in message news:77c0cded-2e18-42a0...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...

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I didn’t understand your video and stopped looking.

Make a video with subtitles, not some digital radio waving in the breeze.

 

Non ho capito il tuo video e smesso di cercare.

Fai un video con i sottotitoli, non un po 'di radio digitale sventolano nella brezza.

 

http://translate.google.com/

[Helmut Wabnig]

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Casimiro <fa.m...@yahoo.it>

Where on the frequency scale does "microwave" start?
Is 1700 MHz sufficient?

Then there is the GPS System.


(Sleeping lions awake!)


w.

[Casimiro]

On 4 Ott, 21:50, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Casimiro <fa.mo...@yahoo.it>

It's indifferent what a frequency you choose. The measure is made
inside a conducting box (Faraday screen) in a rigid coaxial cable, at
various frequency. You have seen three magic tee interferometers
operating on three frequency. The frequency is determinated by the
null output, when the vectors are in quadrature. (Because the phase
discriminator is in quadrature only at a determinated frequency.) This
discriminator detects very little phase angles, as you see. The
ether's wind I measured is easly computed because it acts directly on
the wavelength, shortning or alonging if against or favorable the
propagation's direction of the wave.

[Casimiro]

On 4 Ott, 20:40, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
<LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:77c0cded-2e18-42a0...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...

well, excuse me if it is in italian. In may 2008 I wrote on
Electronics World an article titled "A new phase detector of microwave
signals", from page 41 to 43. At that time I used a waveguide. But the
principle of actual detector is allways the same. The only difference
is that thi last detects directly the wind that modifies the
wavelength.

[Casimiro]

On 4 Ott, 21:50, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Casimiro <fa.mo...@yahoo.it>

no problem: the frequency is choosen by the null of detector.
Interferences are excluded by a very accurated soldered box. I made
the measure on a rigid coaxial cable, as you can see. If you look the
oscillograms sometime you see some little interference. But it
couriously they come in ULF, probably soubmarine, which penetrates in
coaxial cable...not in microwave transmissions ...

[Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway]

"Casimiro" <fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in message news:d0cf77fc-169c-4965...@b19g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...

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There is an optical MMX here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E

Martin Grusenik’s error is corrected here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNEryiOKkrc

 

If you change the path length between source and detector there

WILL be a shift. What is that supposed to prove?

[Casimiro]

On 4 Ott, 23:54, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"

<LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:

>
> There is an optical MMX here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E
> Martin Grusenik’s error is corrected here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNEryiOKkrc

I know and agree with Grusenick.

>
> If you change the path length between source and detector there
> WILL be a shift. What is that supposed to prove?

Of coarse. For this I preferred rigid coaxial cable to waveguide in
which the antennas could move some micron.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 4 Oct 2012 13:30:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<47a8b9cc-35fe-4702...@r9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>:

So, compute the speed of the ether wind,
and for your position north of the equator it should then vary in a 24 hour
sequence as you rotate in the earth orbit in the same, and then the opposite direction
every day night.
Assuming that variation is big enough to measure.
Leave it running for a week, show the paper tape...
Then for a year, as earth orbist sun...
Then for a ??? as earth and sun move .. spiral arms galaxy..
You need a lot of paper :-)

[Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway]

"Casimiro" <fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in message news:697dafad-7695-4a49...@r9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...

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I still fail to understand what you are trying to prove.

MMX was set up to measure the speed of light in the supposed aether

with the knowledge of the Earth’s velocity in that stationary medium,

so what is the purpose of using coaxial cable carried along with

source and detector in place of an aether wind?

The direct analogy is the sound inside the plane. The air outside

is rushing past at 500 mph, but the air inside is calm and carries

sound normally. Now you tie a piece of string between two cans

and pulling it taught, talk into one can and are heard in the other

with the string as the sound carrying medium to simulate your

coax. What’s the point?

The simple answer to MMX is the same as a game of table tennis

on the plane. The speed of light and ping pong balls is source

dependent and has nothing whatever to do with the aether/air

outside the plane, and of course there is no aether anyway.

Light and radio waves are carried by alternating electric and

magnetic fields, not a mechanical aether. The ball with fly better

without air, you can play squash in the cargo bay of the space

shuttle under airless conditions, and so will light. Aether and

relativity are nonsense.

If you want to do something useful, measure the speed of radio

waves in waveguides. Don’t take Einstein’s word for it, he was

an idiot. It’ll be different to that of the speed of light and you’ll

be the first to find it. And repeat at a different frequency.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of

[Casimiro]

On 5 Ott, 16:42, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
<LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:697dafad-7695-4a49...@r9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...

>
> On 4 Ott, 23:54, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
>
> <LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
>
> > There is an optical MMX here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E
> > Martin Grusenik’s error is corrected here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNEryiOKkrc
>
> I know and agree with Grusenick.
>
>
>
> > If you change the path length between source and detector there
> > WILL be a shift. What is that supposed to prove?
>
> Of coarse. For this I preferred rigid coaxial cable to waveguide in
> which the antennas  could move some micron.
>
> ==========================================
> I still fail to understand what you are trying to prove.

The medium existence, or ether. Simple.

> MMX was set up to measure the speed of light in the supposed aether
> with the knowledge of the Earth’s velocity in that stationary medium,
> so what is the purpose of using coaxial cable carried along with
> source and detector in place of an aether wind?

The light or radio waves are the same phenomenon: both are
electromagnetic waves, differing only in frequency.
But wavelengths of centimeters are easier measurable than angstrom
waves!
For centimeters waves exist precision instruments and an improved
technique.
Coaxial cable is matter thru which ether travels simply slower than in
free space.

> The direct analogy is the sound inside the plane. The air outside
> is rushing past at 500 mph, but the air inside is calm and carries
> sound normally.

You say that ether is still on the earth? But I measure a velocity.
Tens kilometers/s. This I deduce
from changes of wavelength of radiowaves moving my instrument ,
detected with phase detector.

Now you tie a piece of string between two cans
> and pulling it taught, talk into one can and are heard in the other
> with the string as the sound carrying medium to simulate your
> coax. What’s the point?

The string is the medium.

> The simple answer to MMX is the same as a game of table tennis
> on the plane. The speed of light and ping pong balls is source
> dependent and has nothing whatever to do with the aether/air
> outside the plane, and of course there is no aether anyway.
> Light and radio waves are carried by alternating electric and
> magnetic fields, not a mechanical aether.

Ether is'nt mechanical, is simply the support of magnetic, electric
and gravitational fields.
May be the "dark matter" of modern physics...

> The ball with fly better
> without air, you can play squash in the cargo bay of the space
> shuttle under airless conditions, and so will light. Aether and
> relativity are nonsense.
> If you want to do something useful, measure the speed of radio
> waves in waveguides. Don’t take Einstein’s word for it, he was
> an idiot. It’ll be different to that of the speed of light and you’ll
> be the first to find it. And repeat at a different frequency.

Sorry, I pursue with my head. Measuring wavelengths how change.

[Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway]

"Casimiro" <fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in message news:b85fffb8-449d-46cd...@b19g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...

On 5 Ott, 16:42, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
<LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:697dafad-7695-4a49...@r9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>
> On 4 Ott, 23:54, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
>
> <LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
>
> > There is an optical MMX here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E
> > Martin Grusenik’s error is corrected here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNEryiOKkrc
>
> I know and agree with Grusenick.
>
>
>
> > If you change the path length between source and detector there
> > WILL be a shift. What is that supposed to prove?
>
> Of coarse. For this I preferred rigid coaxial cable to waveguide in
> which the antennas  could move some micron.
>
> ==========================================
> I still fail to understand what you are trying to prove.

The medium existence, or ether. Simple.

 

 

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Oh, I see. You want to prove something that doesn’t exist, does.

 

 

 

> MMX was set up to measure the speed of light in the supposed aether
> with the knowledge of the Earth’s velocity in that stationary medium,
> so what is the purpose of using coaxial cable carried along with
> source and detector in place of an aether wind?

The light or radio waves are the same phenomenon: both are
electromagnetic waves, differing only in frequency.

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There are electric waves and there are magnetic waves, but there

are no magnetoelectric or electromagnetic waves. Electric waves

that have the same frequency and direction as the magnetic wave

are displaced in phase by 90 degrees, so they are different. Simple.

But  wavelengths of centimeters are easier measurable than angstrom
waves!

 

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Whoopee! How exciting! Huge Ferris wheels are easier measurable than

tiny roller skate wheels! Simple! Lots of exclamation marks because

this is really thrilling!!!!!

 

For centimeters waves exist precision instruments and an improved
technique.
Coaxial cable is matter thru which ether travels simply slower than in
free space.

 

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Aether travels through matter like Santa Claus travels on a sleigh

and visits all the children on Xmas Eve. I have news for you.

Santa and aether are myths and this a physics forum, sonny.

It’s time you grew up. Simple.

 

> The direct analogy is the sound inside the plane. The air outside
> is rushing past at 500 mph, but the air inside is calm and carries
> sound normally.

You say that ether is still on the earth?

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No. I say aether is nonsense, but Santa is needed to

deliver presents under Xmas trees for children. Simple.

 

 

But I measure a velocity. Tens kilometers/s. This I deduce
from changes of wavelength of radiowaves moving my instrument ,
detected with phase detector.

 

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Velocity of what, relative to what?

I measure presents under the Xmas tree. The presents are real,

so Santa put them there really fast, he has millions of homes

to visit in one night. Santa travels much faster than light. Simple.

 

Now you tie a piece of string between two cans
> and pulling it taught, talk into one can and are heard in the other
> with the string as the sound carrying medium to simulate your
> coax. What’s the point?

The string is the medium.

 

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So sound waves needs no air and magnetic fields needs no aether, but

presents under Xmas trees need Santa. Simple. What is your point?

 

 

> The simple answer to MMX is the same as a game of table tennis
> on the plane. The speed of light and ping pong balls is source
> dependent and has nothing whatever to do with the aether/air
> outside the plane, and of course there is no aether anyway.
> Light and radio waves are carried by alternating electric and
> magnetic fields, not a mechanical aether.

Ether is'nt mechanical, is simply the support of magnetic, electric
and gravitational fields.
May be the "dark matter" of modern physics...

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Santa isn’t human, he’s simply the delivery agent supported

by reindeer and the help of elves to make all the toys. Simple.

Maybe the dark angel of ancient idiocy. Simple.

 

> The ball with fly better
> without air, you can play squash in the cargo bay of the space
> shuttle under airless conditions, and so will light. Aether and
> relativity are nonsense.
> If you want to do something useful, measure the speed of radio
> waves in waveguides. Don’t take Einstein’s word for it, he was
> an idiot. It’ll be different to that of the speed of light and you’ll
> be the first to find it. And repeat at a different frequency.

Sorry, I pursue with my head.

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Pity your sorry head is full of aether with no brain. Tell

your aether story to the children. Over and out. Simple.

[Casimiro]

On 6 Ott, 01:09, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
<LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:b85fffb8-449d-46cd...@b19g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...

divertissement pour vous.
OK.

[Casimiro]

On 5 Ott, 12:38, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Thu, 4 Oct 2012 13:30:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <47a8b9cc-35fe-4702-b6c8-afcdc05df...@r9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>:

I have yet done. I have hundreds and hundred chart recordings, made
with various phase detectors. All have the nearly same slope ,
different in seasons.
I shall write a paper relation.

[Casimiro]

All is explained in the video, (I'm subtitling in english). For you!

Please, how do you explaine the phase changes directing in space the
magic T? Santa Claus?

I have done a measure of "absolute speed" relative , 90° tilting the
T.
Do you know "sound anemometers" ? Well, I changed the sound with a
radiowave generated by a syntetized oscillator.
Change of phase say me the speed. Simple

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 5 Oct 2012 23:58:09 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<cf1ffd23-4c2f-4ebc...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>:

>> So, compute the speed of the ether wind,
>> and for your position north of the equator it should then vary in a 24 hour
>> sequence as you rotate in the earth orbit in the same, and then the opposite direction
>> every day night.
>> Assuming that variation is big enough to measure.
>> Leave it running for a week, show the paper tape...
>> Then for a year, as earth orbist sun...
>> Then for a ??? as earth and sun move .. spiral arms galaxy..
>> You need a lot of paper :-)
>
>I have yet done. I have hundreds and hundred chart recordings, made
>with various phase detectors. All have the nearly same slope ,
>different in seasons.
>I shall write a paper relation.

OK,
I think the most important things to watch out for systematic errors.
For example temperature changes,
I see you also tilt the generator, so is its frequency stable when tilted?
Expansion and contraction of the arms in you magic T?
Someting lose (could be just a dust particle, or even air) in the waveguides?
Amplitude variation?
Bending cables?
Magnetic fields, from earth and from other things like from equipment near the experiment.
Light intensity changes possibly effecting your detection equipment.
The list is endless, you need to make sure the effct of all thse things is measured,
and proven to be significantly less than your 'signal'.

You are working in cm range wavelength, MM was working with light, a many orders of magnitude smaller wavelength.
At that wavelength a few degrees phaseshift seems more sensitive to me than with your setup?

It would be nice if you could really show some variation.
The experiment seems simple, I could even do it here, just do not have that fancy generator ...

[Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway]

"Casimiro" <fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in message news:485ed513-682e-4883...@g4g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...

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Yes. Instead of proving the aether exists when it doesn’t I’ve proved

Santa Claus exists,  as you have now realised. All is explained under

the Xmas tree.

 

 

I have done a measure of "absolute speed" relative ,  90° tilting the
T.
Do you know "sound anemometers" ? Well, I changed the sound with a
radiowave generated by a syntetized oscillator.
Change of phase say me the speed. Simple

 

Change of phase says to me no aether. Simple.

 http://androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/AC.htm

[Casimiro]

On 6 Ott, 10:53, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 5 Oct 2012 23:58:09 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <cf1ffd23-4c2f-4ebc-af23-c85778402...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>:

Well! Do it! Is simple.
Anout ypur objections the answers are in the video. May be you have
not understood because in italian. But to morrow may be ready the
english subtitulation (it is a work...).

[Casimiro]

On 6 Ott, 13:36, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
<LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:485ed513-682e-4883...@g4g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...

funny cartons! Ok, physics is Holliwoodian, to day. Phantascience...
I pursue for my way. Old fashon...

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:44:19 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<4e54db00-383f-48b2...@c20g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>:

True, I wait for thw English translation, my Italian is not good,
I know lires and pizza, been a long time since I was in Italy.
No more lires now...

[Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway]

"Casimiro" <fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in message news:eaa24ded-ee42-488d...@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...

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Casimiro’s fantasy physics:

 http://www.sfkids.org/uploadedImages/kid%20on%20swing.JPG

[Wally W.]

On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 08:53:36 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:

>The experiment seems simple, I could even do it here, just do not have that fancy generator ...

Indeed.

I was impressed by the setup, apparently built on his own dime.

[Casimiro]

Yes! But the Gigatronix is the cost.
Any other syntetized oscillator covering to 4 GHz could be enought. It
must have steps of 1 KHz...

[Casimiro]

On 6 Ott, 15:32, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
<LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:eaa24ded-ee42-488d...@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...

very nice baby! Yes, I have the same his optimism in the life...
What about the santa claus who changes the phase? It' the wavelength.
You also are childish!

[Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway]

"Casimiro" <fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in message news:9dc767d7-8fdc-4ca0...@q4g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...

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Should I choose to make a case for Santa Claus who does not exist

to show he does because I believe he does, then I’d be as foolish

as you who makes a case for aether that does not exist who wishes

to show that it does because you believe it does.  What makes you

the child and me the adult is that my argument for Santa was merely

facetious, I do not actually believe it, whereas you are serious in

your preposterous ignorance. Go away, little fool, I am done

playing with you. You may have the last word, it will not be

seen by me. *plonk*.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(Usenet)

 

 

[Casimiro]

On 6 Ott, 22:34, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
<LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:9dc767d7-8fdc-4ca0...@q4g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...

exclusively for you the...ENGLISH SUBTITULATION!

http://youtu.be/q_OriOq5x5g

[GogoJF]

I can't wait to read it.

[Casimiro]

Why only reed ? Principle can be uderstood by direct observation of
immages, not mediated by words. Written words are subject to retoric,
sophisms, formalisms...
I'm a simple technician and I prefer use instruments : They speak
clear directly to the brain.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 6 Oct 2012 23:51:13 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<c8409e24-b7bc-4698...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>:

> Why only reed ? Principle can be uderstood by direct observation of
>immages,

Yesterday I watched Star wreck in the pirkinning
http://www.starwreck.com/
Gimme a break!

Does that make it REAL?
I downloaded it years ago, it really IS better than the real thing in some ways.

>t mediated by words. Written words are subject to retoric,
>sophisms, formalisms...

Any joe can buy photoshop, Adobe after effects, or whatever,
and I am pretty good at video processing, I WRITE the software for that.
What you see does not have to be what is real.

>I'm a simple technician and I prefer use instruments : They speak
>clear directly to the brain.

In that case you should REALLY triple check, check for errors,
make detailed diagrams and drawing, provide numbers,
materials used etc.
Just mimic Mr Data.
It is often a good thing to kill your own theories, or find
you made some mistake (makes one humble).
I am not saying you faked the video, or made a mistake,
but proof is always up to the one who challenges things.

Hell I can do your show with a simple potmeter connected to the rotating table.
Mr technician:-)

[Casimiro]

On 7 Ott, 09:52, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sat, 6 Oct 2012 23:51:13 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <c8409e24-b7bc-4698-af3d-223ac6bc2...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>:

OK. I will write a pdf.

For your objection I'm thinking: may be...
I've not theory to defend. I'm an empiric without other interest that
verify if current theory is real.

For instance yesterday, at 9 p.m., I noted a very ample excursion of
phase, about 2 MHz!

The phenomenon is unknown. At today nobody measured what I'm
measuring...
I deduced that the "medium" is moving. Not at all as previewed
Maxwell, evidently.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Oct 2012 02:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<99870d51-a729-4e4e...@bv9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>For instance yesterday, at 9 p.m., I noted a very ample excursion of
>phase, about 2 MHz!

But phase is measured in degrees, not MHz...

[Casimiro]

On 7 Ott, 12:20, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Oct 2012 02:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <99870d51-a729-4e4e-8fe8-6c9ef3cad...@bv9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>
> >For instance yesterday, at 9 p.m., I noted a very ample excursion of
> >phase, about 2 MHz!
>
> But phase is measured in degrees, not MHz...

Excuse, I forget to say "apparent MHz": it's of how MHz I must change
the frequency of generator to obtain that phase.
I'm practic. May be too...(for this I agree with british empirism!).

[Casimiro]

On 7 Ott, 12:20, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Oct 2012 02:13:16 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <99870d51-a729-4e4e-8fe8-6c9ef3cad...@bv9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>:

>
> >For instance yesterday, at 9 p.m., I noted a very ample excursion of
> >phase, about 2 MHz!
>
> But phase is measured in degrees, not MHz...

This is the strange phenomenon observed yesterday evening:
http://youtu.be/Rtrn3qV6_iY

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Oct 2012 03:50:43 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<b08a09a1-75ca-4387...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>:

Yes, OK,
I am working with some GHz stuff myself, about 10 GHz (satellite),
and 1.575 GHz (GPS), and the sat IF frequencies, and PLLs.
I have little problem to make the frequencies you use,
but never tried a 'magic T'.
In a PLL based synthesizer, it almost looks as if your signal generator
PLL was knocked out of lock by perhaps some transient? Mains fluctuation?
Or is it some DDS chip based sort of design?
It would be cool if you could compare it somehow to the 1 575 420 000 Hz
GPS L1 carrier, but even then there is a Doppler effect.
But so far I have not noticed any directional effect in cables,
or dynamically moving cables, doing microwave in the open always has
a zillion reflection from all around though.
We once did a 10 GHz gun diode based transceiver, and IIRC even blinking
your eye caused Doppler effect, very sensitive.

I later build an audio (acoustic) Doppler system, it could also detect an eye
blinking.. Very simple thing actually made for old remote controls.
In my view it could be used to detect brain waves by detecting the muscle movements on the head.
And that was sound waves, also in the cm range, of course different from EM waves
as we then have air as medium, and some deny the existence of an ether as medium for EM waves,
and some believe in Santa, well, would it not be nice to hear them laughing a 10 thousand years from now
if they read all this, if humanity is still around.
Experimenting is fun, have a look at his for example:
http://www.panteltje.com/panteltje/lorentz/experiment.html
But I got a null result, with limited sensitivity that is.
I found the Russians repeated it with better equipment and also got zero.
And now I am testing radioactive decay versus time, that experiment will run some more month.

I give up rather fast, for me, for the effect to be important or usable,
it will have to be big, if not then no practical use... at least not for me.
Your effect is very big, and that is a bit suspicious in itself.
If it was true it would open the gate to massless propulsion for example, actually the
first thing that my brain came up with when reading your experiment is the claim someone
is making that a closed cavity of pyramid shape with a RF microwave source in it experiences a force one way.
It is on the web somewhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive
And I do not know if that claim is true either.
My microwave oven has not flown away yet.

Some time ago I bought some precision balances to do that sort of experiments, I have enough stuff to play with
for years to come.

[Casimiro]

On 7 Ott, 13:31, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Oct 2012 03:50:43 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <b08a09a1-75ca-4387-adc9-b6bddeaf6...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>:

Thank you. I did'nt know that reaserch. Interesting. But... I used
coaxial cable! And don't believe in S.Einstein nor in S.Claus..
I'm satisfied of such discovery and invite others to repeat my
experiment. I don't pursue profit (I'm near the death! ...hoping later
of coarse!) and I don't search money at my age...
Only moral satisfaction, to penetrate a little more the again
inexplicable e.m. and gravitational fields.
I don't think as Einstein that Maxwell (better Heaviside!) are only
equations... I think that without the working hypothesis
these equation nevere and never could be written!
Applications? I don't know. I am simply repeting the old MMX with
radiowaves. Discovery would be amplified by multiplication of
experimenters.
Why not you? Let begin, please!
Is simple!

[Casimiro]

I forget "working hypothesis of ETHER", of coarse!

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Oct 2012 07:41:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<89b795c3-e3a8-4382...@q4g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>:

>Thank you. I did'nt know that reaserch. Interesting. But... I used
>coaxial cable! And don't believe in S.Einstein nor in S.Claus..
>I'm satisfied of such discovery and invite others to repeat my
>experiment. I don't pursue profit (I'm near the death! ...hoping later
>of coarse!) and I don't search money at my age...
>Only moral satisfaction, to penetrate a little more the again
>inexplicable e.m. and gravitational fields.
>I don't think as Einstein that Maxwell (better Heaviside!) are only
>equations... I think that without the working hypothesis
>these equation nevere and never could be written!
>Applications? I don't know. I am simply repeting the old MMX with
>radiowaves. Discovery would be amplified by multiplication of
>experimenters.
>Why not you? Let begin, please!
>Is simple!

Yes I am old an retired too,
near death? I dunno, Old Dutch saying is "Onkruid vergaat niet',
freely translated 'weeds are hard to kill'.
I have a bench full of electronics and many things I like to try.
And many things I think I need to try and get working before the next nuke war.
Then there is software.
So, you are scheduled at the end of the queue, or whenever fits in by convenience.
Here are some projects:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/newsflex/download.html
and here:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/satellite/index.html
and here:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/subtitles/index.html
and here:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/scope_tv/index.html
and here:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/fpga/index.html
and here:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/wap54g/index.html
etc etc
have not updated the website in a while
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/pic/index.html
So there is a lot more, some is classified by me too.
;-)

So, we are waiting for your detailed English language paper, and your measurements, diagrams,
materials used, equipment specifications, equipment test and cross testing on other equipment
(2 experiments run simultaneously should give the same data), etc etc.
Error bars, logged data over days weeks years, centuries LOL.

As to Einstein, of course it is a mistake to replace any 'mechanism' with a math.
Ultimately the equations we use are always only an approximation of reality.
It is up to us to understand reality in a form where we can visualize what happens,
There are plenty of GR parrots scribbling equations, usually with thy wrong answer (LIGO),
as without visualizing what happens you can never get a clue from incomplete equations.
Doing math is so much simpler, it can even be done by a computah.
Einstein never did an experiment in his whole life I think.
The application of math to reality is a different thing altogether.
Without a picture of a mechanism it is easy to get stuck in a wormhole or get squeezed in a singularity.
While anybody who ever did any experiment knows there are no infinities in nature,
something will always give way. there are infinities in math however,
but math is just a construct in a subset of neurons in our brain, just a few actually.
The neural net we are, cosmically aware at some level I am sure,
past present and future, with the present as a cross flow of streams from past and future.
I think it was Feynman that stated that anti-particles can mathematically be described as a normal particles
moving backward in time.
So we are then always in a cross-stream of future and past, and know both future and past if connected.
See were math takes you?
This sort of 'easy' explanations is very dangerous, and need not be true in any way, but may well be true to some extends
or even completely.
We have a lot to learn, and even hundred years ago we could not fly, now we have been on the moon
and have toys on mars, and a toy leaving the solar system.
100 years, on how long has humanity been around? millions
since the apes... it seems human advancement goes in stages,
fire, iron, .... electricity..
If we do not go extinct for some reason (big comet coming) maybe a couple of thousand years to the the stage.
Of course aping, society, and our 'teaching' system is a huge break on advancement.
Maybe the next nuke war will do away with some stubbornness, create more random mutations due to radiation,
with the occasional super clever ape taking us a step further, or a thousand years
of knowledge and science lost, only to be dug up by archaeologists of a new species 'hey those humans did things with silicon',
and then they argue how it came we could do all that. history repeating itself.

[Casimiro]

On 7 Ott, 18:06, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sun, 7 Oct 2012 07:41:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <89b795c3-e3a8-4382-a3f4-e764e36e7...@q4g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>:

Thank you. You write deeply, think and work . Old fashon, as me.
Young people, as that lord android, I dubt that he is able to make
something. Only fictions. Served with differentials. But very well
made!
He think he is the prophet who come to reveal to poor minded the
truth... his cartoon, with self citation of his own principles, higher
than Maxwell one ... But I dubt that he has understood something.

I do wait the queue...

Too little people is also in thi site. My video was visited by a ten
persons only. So I don't know where expose my discoveries...

The death... sister Death may visit us every nught, my dear. May be
all should be ignored. Amen.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 8 Oct 2012 05:47:07 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<605b7e49-b897-4e54...@c20g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>:

>The death... sister Death may visit us every nught, my dear. May be
>all should be ignored. Amen.

As to your experiment,
and microwave reflections.
Did you try with the magic T fixed in a closed metal box, and then rotating that box?

It would not surprise me a bit of the arms of the T were radiation / receiving,
and then any reflections from walls etc etc would change if you turned it,
and cause a different level at the detector.
Just like radar...

[Casimiro]

On 8 Ott, 14:58, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 8 Oct 2012 05:47:07 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <605b7e49-b897-4e54-8880-3a2192d7e...@c20g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>:

>
> >The death... sister Death may visit us every nught, my dear. May be
> >all should be ignored. Amen.
>
> As to your experiment,
> and microwave reflections.
> Did you try with the magic T fixed in a closed metal box, and then rotating that box?
>
> It would not surprise me a bit of the arms of the T were radiation / receiving,
> and then any reflections from walls etc etc would change if you turned it,
> and cause a different level at the detector.
> Just like radar...

You must see attently my video: the lagit tee is closed in a metallic
box soldered accurately.
This night I weaked and wrotten the preface of my relation. You can
reed here:
http://www.2shared.com/document/xN_G7Vt-/preface.html

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 8 Oct 2012 10:21:51 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<c509ded3-7d99-4680...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>:

That is a very nice intro.
I want to think for a while about your results before making some stupid remark perhaps :-)

Does not putting metal containg thermal insulation foil affect the impedances on that PCB?

[Casimiro]

On 8 Ott, 20:04, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 8 Oct 2012 10:21:51 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <c509ded3-7d99-4680-b7f1-2b2a8148f...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>:

Do you think that? Why a PCB could affect the impedence?
If you refer to
http://youtu.be/q_OriOq5x5g

See: inside the box it is only the rigid coaxial cable with the two
detector diodes. No any PCB.

[Helmut Wabnig]

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 22:26:38 -0700 (PDT), Casimiro <fa.m...@yahoo.it>
wrote:

Italians drink too much wine.

w.

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 8 Oct 2012 22:26:38 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<5031fc39-0517-490e...@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>:

>> >http://www.2shared.com/document/xN_G7Vt-/preface.html
>>
>> That is a very nice intro.
>> I want to think for a while about your results before making some stupid remark perhaps :-)
>>
>> Does not putting metal containg thermal insulation foil affect the impedances on that PCB?
>
>Do you think that? Why a PCB could affect the impedence?
>If you refer to
>http://youtu.be/q_OriOq5x5g
>
>See: inside the box it is only the rigid coaxial cable with the two
>detector diodes. No any PCB.

OK.

You mentioned the 'tides' of the moon affecting your experiment (you did not say which one and how).
Take this test please:

Was the affected experiment the horizontal ring? If not goto pizza.
Was the experiment done vertical less sensitive to those tides than when horizontal? If not goto pizza.
Are you located close to the coast / sea / beach ? If not goto pizza.

WINNER!
You are measuring reflections from ground water level.
You have re-invented ground penetrating radar.
The ground water level will change with the tides a bit,
the ground water acts like a large metal reflector just below your laboratory.

This is all based on my theory that you are experiencing reflections :-)
No magic, no Nobel,
have an expresso.
Next experiment
end



pizza:
relax, think of better explanation.
end

[Casimiro]

On 9 Ott, 10:43, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 8 Oct 2012 22:26:38 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <5031fc39-0517-490e-aa85-8fb221ebc...@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>:

mah...

If you are again interest read this

Summary-
Description of a new phase detector of microwaves.
In spite of measurements with light of Michelson Morley (et alteri),
always failed, this microwaves detector permits the detection of
microscopic phase shifts, till to 1/1000000 of a cycle.

THEORY

The “phase Doppler”
– Commonly the phase of a wave was never considered in Doppler effect,
where only frequency is considered. A brief analysis is then
necessary.
And interesting.
Is possible, with the phase Doppler, to measure the velocity of the
medium, although if don’t exists relative motion. Being a phase
Doppler” the displacement of wave fronts of a wave travelling in space
with you, comparing the phase of fronts tell you if you are moving or
not: is enough to turn the detector 90°. Up today this simple
phenomenon is unexplored by physics.
The phase changes , tourning 90°, in proportion of v/c , where v is
the displacement speed of source in the medium, and c is the
propagation speed in still medium of an electromagnetic perturbation.
Then the phase Doppler to be expected in astronomic movements, as
rotation of Earth, will be a very little fraction of a cycle. But
red-shift and blue shift tell us the big velocities of galaxies!
Light and radiowaves are not both electromagnetic waves, subjected
both to same lows?
The experiment with radiowaves need simply
1 - a good syntetized generator,
2- any space where the wave travels – for instance a well screened
closed space in a waveguide, or also in a coaxial cable . This one
because Heaviside teaches that propagation in wire-lines obeys to the
same lows as flat waves in the free space, simply slower.
3- a good phase discriminator, to detect the distance of fronts of
start and that of arrival of the same wave, or phase shift, when
orienting all that set up in the space.
The discriminator , by experience, must be placed inside the measured
space. Every microscopic movement of diodes, walls of waveguide,
connector to generator, can produce phase variations. All must be
hermetically soldered.
Every gap or hole modifies the phase! The connection to generator must
be shorter possible. If do you use coaxial cable this one must be
soldered completely to ground of the box, and soldered the cover.
I used in all my experiments a Gigatronix 7200 as oscillator. All
other models of generators are usable, if syntetized. This is very
important, because the null frequency of quadrature discriminator
senses some Hertz s!
Frequency is imposed by the null frequency of discriminator. Then
frequency steps must be of a minimum of 1 KHz.
RF power must be 10 dBm , (10 mW) for a d.c. output ranging from of
some milliVolt , to some ...Volt (obtained only with circular
waveguide).

Every laboratory in the world can easily repeat this experiment! Is
the beauty of electronics, for me survival son of classical Physics!

[Casimiro]

On 9 Ott, 10:43, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On a sunny day (Mon, 8 Oct 2012 22:26:38 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <5031fc39-0517-490e-aa85-8fb221ebc...@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>:

Thank you for your theory, really "magic".
How a coaxial cable, closed in COMPLETLY SCREENED BOX, could be
a...radar of water? Are you a gambler?
Are you cultor of occult sciences?
I constated a strange coincidence with TERRESTRIAL tides. It's with
gravitational field. Nobody till now noted it.
Is'nt the first time that the three fields are connected? And
connection thru the ether?
If you are interested wait the remaining thousand pages that I , if
gods will give me time, I will write.

[Casimiro]

forget: it could become the conjunction ringle of three fields, as the
electric current was the conjunction between electricity and
magnetism... Don't you note the importance? Only crazy theories?

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 9 Oct 2012 22:02:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<3ab04cb1-468d-4d6b...@w2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>:

>forget: it could become the conjunction ringle of three fields, as the
>electric current was the conjunction between electricity and
>magnetism... Don't you note the importance? Only crazy theories?

Well, the Nobel in physics this year DID go to someone else.

You will have to get used to people shooting your dreams down.
Science is that way, sorry if it disturbed your life-long illusions.

Try posting to sci.physics.reseach.
Its moderated.
:-)

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 9 Oct 2012 21:57:07 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
<fa.m...@yahoo.it> wrote in
<34bce975-c49b-4586...@10g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>:

>> WINNER!
>> You are measuring reflections from ground water level.
>> You have re-invented ground penetrating radar.
>> The ground water level will change with the tides a bit,
>> the ground water acts like a large metal reflector just below your laboratory.
>>
>> This is all based on my theory that you are experiencing reflections :-)
>> No magic, no Nobel,
>> have an expresso.
>> Next experiment
>> end
>>
>> pizza:
>> relax, think of better explanation.
>> end
>
>Thank you for your theory, really "magic".
>How a coaxial cable, closed in COMPLETLY SCREENED BOX, could be
>a...radar of water? Are you a gambler?

No coax is perfect.
Coax couples to box, box to environment.
I am not claiming may analysis is right,
but I do claim you give zero data and a lot of hot air.

You have failed to produce even once decent drawing plus data for even one experimen,
you olny talk hot air.

> Are you cultor of occult sciences?
>I constated a strange coincidence with TERRESTRIAL tides. It's with
>gravitational field. Nobody till now noted it.
>Is'nt the first time that the three fields are connected? And
>connection thru the ether?
>If you are interested wait the remaining thousand pages that I , if
>gods will give me time, I will write.

I give up.

[Casimiro]

On 10 Ott, 11:14, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Tue, 9 Oct 2012 22:02:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <3ab04cb1-468d-4d6b-8e7a-05541016a...@w2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>:

.
>
> Try posting to sci.physics.reseach.
> Its moderated.
> :-)

I did and wait.

[Casimiro]

On 10 Ott, 11:14, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On a sunny day (Tue, 9 Oct 2012 21:57:07 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro

> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <34bce975-c49b-4586-9a07-80b642cfc...@10g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> WINNER!
> >> You are measuring reflections from ground water level.
> >> You have re-invented ground penetrating radar.
> >> The ground water level will change with the tides a bit,
> >> the ground water acts like a large metal reflector just below your laboratory.
>
> >> This is all based on my theory that you are experiencing reflections :-)
> >> No magic, no Nobel,
> >> have an expresso.
> >> Next experiment
> >> end
>
> >> pizza:
> >> relax, think of better explanation.
> >> end
>
> >Thank you for your theory, really "magic".
> >How a coaxial cable, closed in  COMPLETLY SCREENED BOX, could be
> >a...radar of water? Are you a gambler?
>
> No coax is perfect.
> Coax couples to box, box to environment.
> I am not claiming may analysis is right,
> but I do claim you give zero data and a lot of hot air.

Yes, of coarse, I know. For this I screened completly the junctions.
And again putted in the box a microwave absorber.
Now I'm writing . I have too much and is laborious to choise them.

>
> You have failed to produce even once decent drawing plus data for even one experimen,
> you olny talk hot air.
>

Yes , I think I'm talking to air.

[Casimiro]

On 6 Ott, 01:09, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
<LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:b85fffb8-449d-46cd...@b19g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> On 5 Ott, 16:42, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> > "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:697dafad-7695-4a49...@r9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 4 Ott, 23:54, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
>
> > <LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
>
> > > There is an optical MMX here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E
> > > Martin Grusenik’s error is corrected here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNEryiOKkrc
>
> > I know and agree with Grusenick.
>
> > > If you change the path length between source and detector there
> > > WILL be a shift. What is that supposed to prove?
>
> > Of coarse. For this I preferred rigid coaxial cable to waveguide in
> > which the antennas  could move some micron.
>
> > ==========================================
> > I still fail to understand what you are trying to prove.
>
> The medium existence, or ether. Simple.
> ===========================================================
> Oh, I see. You want to prove something that doesn’t exist, does.
>
> > MMX was set up to measure the speed of light in the supposed aether
> > with the knowledge of the Earth’s velocity in that stationary medium,
> > so what is the purpose of using coaxial cable carried along with
> > source and detector in place of an aether wind?
>
> The light or radio waves are the same phenomenon: both are
> electromagnetic waves, differing only in frequency.
> =============================================
> There are electric waves and there are magnetic waves, but there
> are no magnetoelectric or electromagnetic waves. Electric waves
> that have the same frequency and direction as the magnetic wave
> are displaced in phase by 90 degrees, so they are different. Simple.
>
> But  wavelengths of centimeters are easier measurable than angstrom
> waves!
>
> ==========================
> Whoopee! How exciting! Huge Ferris wheels are easier measurable than
> tiny roller skate wheels! Simple! Lots of exclamation marks because
> this is really thrilling!!!!!
>
> For centimeters waves exist precision instruments and an improved
> technique.
> Coaxial cable is matter thru which ether travels simply slower than in
> free space.
>
> ===================================
> Aether travels through matter like Santa Claus travels on a sleigh
> and visits all the children on Xmas Eve. I have news for you.
> Santa and aether are myths and this a physics forum, sonny.
> It’s time you grew up. Simple.
>
> > The direct analogy is the sound inside the plane. The air outside
> > is rushing past at 500 mph, but the air inside is calm and carries
> > sound normally.
>
> You say that ether is still on the earth?
> ==================================
> No. I say aether is nonsense, but Santa is needed to
> deliver presents under Xmas trees for children. Simple.
>
> But I measure a velocity. Tens kilometers/s. This I deduce
> from changes of wavelength of radiowaves moving my instrument ,
> detected with phase detector.
>
> ============================
> Velocity of what, relative to what?
> I measure presents under the Xmas tree. The presents are real,
> so Santa put them there really fast, he has millions of homes
> to visit in one night. Santa travels much faster than light. Simple.
>
> Now you tie a piece of string between two cans
>
> > and pulling it taught, talk into one can and are heard in the other
> > with the string as the sound carrying medium to simulate your
> > coax. What’s the point?
>
> The string is the medium.
>
> ======================================
> So sound waves needs no air and magnetic fields needs no aether, but
> presents under Xmas trees need Santa. Simple. What is your point?
>
> > The simple answer to MMX is the same as a game of table tennis
> > on the plane. The speed of light and ping pong balls is source
> > dependent and has nothing whatever to do with the aether/air
> > outside the plane, and of course there is no aether anyway.
> > Light and radio waves are carried by alternating electric and
> > magnetic fields, not a mechanical aether.
>
> Ether is'nt mechanical, is simply the support of magnetic, electric
> and gravitational fields.
> May be the "dark matter" of modern physics...
> ====================================
> Santa isn’t human, he’s simply the delivery agent supported
> by reindeer and the help of elves to make all the toys. Simple.
> Maybe the dark angel of ancient idiocy. Simple.
>
> > The ball with fly better
> > without air, you can play squash in the cargo bay of the space
> > shuttle under airless conditions, and so will light. Aether and
> > relativity are nonsense.
> > If you want to do something useful, measure the speed of radio
> > waves in waveguides. Don’t take Einstein’s word for it, he was
> > an idiot. It’ll be different to that of the speed of light and you’ll
> > be the first to find it. And repeat at a different frequency.
>
> Sorry, I pursue with my head.
> ===========================
> Pity your sorry head is full of aether with no brain. Tell
> your aether story to the children. Over and out. Simple.
>
> -- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
> Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway

Well, I'm following the teachings of fool people as friar Willelm from
Occam, who teachs that before to change old theories is neccessary to
try
and try again if the phenomenon can be explained with them...
Then I would apply this teaching to the Maxwell theory before to adopt
crazy
explainations as "compression-dilation of the space-time" of
Einstein, contrary to holy and forgotten COMMON SENSE. - who gambled
with mathematical non sense (as said your great astro physic Dingle -
Occam and Dingle... do you know?
Common sense were not the basic foundation of old british civilty? As
conservatorism ? Common sense completly forgoten?
Einstein was of the other school, the Kant's logic, rational and
abstract. And the common sense for him hav'nt sense.

[Casimiro]

On 11 Ott, 14:21, Casimiro <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote:
> On 6 Ott, 01:09, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
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> <LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> > "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:b85fffb8-449d-46cd...@b19g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
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> > On 5 Ott, 16:42, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
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> > <LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
> > > "Casimiro" <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in messagenews:697dafad-7695-4a49...@r9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
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> > > On 4 Ott, 23:54, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
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> > > <LordAndroc...@October2012.org> wrote:
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> > > > There is an opticalMMXhere:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T0d7o8X2-E

> > > > Martin Grusenik’s error is corrected here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNEryiOKkrc
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> > > I know and agree with Grusenick.
>
> > > > If you change the path length between source and detector there
> > > > WILL be a shift. What is that supposed to prove?
>
> > > Of coarse. For this I preferred rigid coaxial cable to waveguide in
> > > which the antennas  could move some micron.
>
> > > ==========================================
> > > I still fail to understand what you are trying to prove.
>
> > The medium existence, or ether. Simple.
> > ===========================================================
> > Oh, I see. You want to prove something that doesn’t exist, does.
>

> > >MMXwas set up to measure the speed of light in the supposed aether

> > > The simple answer toMMXis the same as a game of table tennis

So I writed untill now this resumé
http://www.2shared.com/document/nXDXLZ34/Introduction.html

[Casimiro]

On 5 Ott, 12:38, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Thu, 4 Oct 2012 13:30:22 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Casimiro
> <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote in
> <47a8b9cc-35fe-4702-b6c8-afcdc05df...@r9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>:
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> >On 4 Ott, 21:50, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:24:38 -0700 (PDT), Casimiro <fa.mo...@yahoo.it>
> >> wrote:
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> >> >On 4 Ott, 20:20, Casimiro <fa.mo...@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> >> On 4 Ott, 20:15, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
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> >> >> > On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:40:54 -0700 (PDT), Casimiro <fa.mo...@yahoo.it>
> >> >> > wrote:

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> >> >> > >On 4 Ott, 18:25, Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
> >> >> > >.
>

> >> >> > >> First learn how to level your signal generator before you start
> >> >> > >> revolutioning physics.
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> >> >> > >Yes, of course, I first did it:
> >> >> > >Please see this for instance:
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> >> >> > >http://youtu.be/Fc3GVdb71FE
> >> >> > >http://youtu.be/LKs4VMkMxtU
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> >> >> > >> Yawn.
> >> >> > >> You know that you are not the first to do radioMMX,
> >> >> > >> do you?
>
> >> >> > >> w.
>
> >> >> > >No, I did'nt know: Are you so kind to give me such experiment?
>
> >> >> > For example:http://www.ptep-online.com/index_files/2006/PP-06-11.PDF
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> >> >> > >Note: I discovered why the T is said "magic" : in detecting the FIRST
> >> >> > >ORDER DOPPLER that Maxwell said "impossible" in the Earth. (but at his
> >> >> > >times he did'nt know the radio waves, discovered eight years after his
> >> >> > >death by Hertz)
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> >> >> I know it. But at 5 MHz he could'nt discover the anisotropy!
>
> >> >I wrote to Cahill but he denies the anisotropy. He made experiments
> >> >with coaxial cables long tens meters, or with light.
> >> >With microwaves nobody made experiments of anisotropy. May be the
> >> >inventor of magic T, for that he named it "magic"!
>
> >> Where on the frequency scale does "microwave" start?
> >> Is 1700 MHz sufficient?
>
> >> Then there is the GPS System.
>
> >> (Sleeping lions awake!)
>
> >> w.
>
> >It's indifferent what a frequency you choose. The measure is made
> >inside a conducting box (Faraday screen) in a rigid coaxial cable, at
> >various frequency. You have seen three magic tee interferometers
> >operating on three frequency. The frequency is determinated by the
> >null output, when the vectors are in quadrature. (Because the phase
> >discriminator is in quadrature only at a determinated frequency.) This
> >discriminator detects very little phase angles, as you see. The
> >ether's wind I measured is easly computed because it acts directly on
> >the wavelength, shortning or alonging if against or favorable the
> >propagation's direction of the wave.
>
> So, compute the speed of the ether wind,
> and for your position north of the equator it should then vary in a 24 hour
> sequence as you rotate in the earth orbit in the same, and then the opposite direction
> every day night.
> Assuming that variation is big enough to measure.
> Leave it running for a week, show the paper tape...
> Then for a year, as earth orbist sun...
> Then for a ??? as earth and sun move .. spiral arms galaxy..
> You need a lot of paper :-)

Not at all! I'm measuring only a VERTICAL speed. It means that the
ether is "raining"... strange ether, but that is what I measure...