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MobyDikc

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Jun 10, 2005, 4:23:46 PM6/10/05
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Can anyone explain this experiment in lay terms?

Uncle Al

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Jun 10, 2005, 5:39:43 PM6/10/05
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MobyDikc wrote:
>
> Can anyone explain this experiment in lay terms?

http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/m6_2.html

Hollow beryllium filagree rotor (stiff and low mass!) balanced for
mass and two orders of angular momenta. This is true before and after
loading. Fist-sized for locality. The Eotvos rotor hangs from a
meter of 20 micron-diameter (1.3 the thickness of a human hair)
tungsten filament in hard vacuum. Everything is gold plated. The rig
is surrounded by layers of EM and magnetic shielding, isothermal,
vibration isolated, absolutely level, etc.

The Earth spins on its axis (inertial acceleration),

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm#b32

The Earth falls around the sun (gravitational acceleration)

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm#b23

You've got four lumps of one kind of stuff on the left side of the
rotor and four lumps of another kind of stuff on the right side of the
rotor. If their gravitational and inertial masses are not
fundamentally identical, one set will fall "sideways" vs. the other
(non-parallel local trajectories), exerting a torque on the rotor. A
typical torsion constant of 0.03 dyne-cm/radian allows detection
sensitivity of (+/-)3 nanoradians (~0.18 nm perimeter rotation, an
atomic diameter). The flats are one arm of a very long nulled
interferometer. If the rotor turns photons will leak through the
otherwise nulled interferometer and everybody karks their breeks.

Bleeding edge sensitivity to Equivalence Principle violation over a
90-day run is one part in ten trillion difference/average. In this
and other EP and observations tests all compositions of matter,
binding energies, spinning masses (gyroscope), magnetic masses,
superconductive masses... and spinning hypermagnetized neutronium all
fall absolutely identically in vacuum within experimental error.

http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/

Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand. For
reasons Uncle Al leaves to Dear Reader's imagination, the full parity
Eotvos experiment in quartz will be Officially started next week.
Results are due in mid-September rather than originally targeted 01
August.

If I were Einstein, I'd be sweating it.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

Jan Panteltje

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Jun 10, 2005, 5:56:37 PM6/10/05
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On a sunny day (Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:39:43 -0700) it happened Uncle Al
<Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in <42AA089F...@hate.spam.net>:

>
>If I were Einstein, I'd be sweating it.
I you were Einstein you'd be dead.

Robert Kolker

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Jun 10, 2005, 6:42:19 PM6/10/05
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Uncle Al wrote:
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> If I were Einstein, I'd be sweating it.

He's dead Jim, er ... I mean Al.

If A.E. were alive and saw his ur-principle refuted empirically beyond a
reasonable doubt he would be glad to be be given a reason for ever
further brillian research. Maybe God does play Parity with the Universe.

Bob Kolker

Traveler

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Jun 10, 2005, 6:38:30 PM6/10/05
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Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:

>Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand.

ahaha... Do we know that left spin electrons fall identically as right
spin electrons? Yes. Why? Because everything falls identically, as
everybody should know. Gravity is an energy conservation phenomenon.
ahaha... It has nothing to do with parity, you cretinous sack of shit.

Anybody who invested any money in your con game is even more stupid
than you are. ahahaha... But then again, since hey are probably using
other people's money, they may be just as dishonest as you are.

>If I were Einstein, I'd be sweating it.

Einstein was a much cleverer con man than you. And much luckier too.

ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha... ahahaha... ahahaha... ahaha...

Phew! Physics is so much Phucking Phun! ahaha...

Louis Savain

The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/Cosas/Reliability.htm

hanson

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Jun 10, 2005, 7:46:06 PM6/10/05
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"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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> Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand. For
> reasons Uncle Al leaves to Dear Reader's imagination, the full parity
> Eotvos experiment in quartz will be Officially started next week.
> Results are due in mid-September rather than originally targeted 01
> August.
>
[hanson]
.... AHAHAHA... but, Al, this sounds so familiar......ahahahaha..
Your cockroach thing, your pound sized diamonds, and now
this here... All you ever produce/d are wild thoughts & endless
delays.. and concatenated excuses... but, where are the results
of all your LOUD and incessant cajoling... cajoling like an idiot?
ahahaha... ahahaha.... Al, is your announcement here the prelude
for your next post that'll say: "Eotvos experiment was canceled"
ahahaha....
>
[Al]

> If I were Einstein, I'd be sweating it.
>
[hanson]
ahahaha... You are LOUD again, Al. You are no Einstein! But,
looking at you recent posts it shows that YOU are sweating
it...... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... Take it easy dude, return
to be funny and hilariuos... like you once were... ahahaha
ahahaha..,. ahahahanson

Uncle Al

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Jun 10, 2005, 8:27:57 PM6/10/05
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hanson wrote:
>
> "Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
> news:42AA089F...@hate.spam.net...
> > Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand. For
> > reasons Uncle Al leaves to Dear Reader's imagination, the full parity
> > Eotvos experiment in quartz will be Officially started next week.
> > Results are due in mid-September rather than originally targeted 01
> > August.
> >
> [hanson]
> .... AHAHAHA... ......ahahahaha..
[snip]

> ahahaha....
> >
> [Al]
> > If I were Einstein, I'd be sweating it.
> >
> [hanson]

> ahahaha... ahahaha
[snip]
> ahahaha..,. ahahahanson

Idiot. Read between the lines.

Uncle Al

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Jun 10, 2005, 8:52:38 PM6/10/05
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If it can't be made to disappear, it is there. We will see. I found
faculty who agreed to calculate [alpha]D for Hartree Fock/6-31G(d)
minimized [6.6]chiralane. A chiral hydrocarbon without chromophores
will typically show [alpha]D of about 1 degree. Twistane with
CHI=0.72 - no chromophore, no dipole moment, no polarizable electron
density, nearly rotationally symmetric - has an [alpha]D of 440
degrees at 100% optical purity. All its shortest paths are homochiral
twist-boat cyclohexanes. What is so powerfully differentially
grabbing the opposite circular polarizations of linearly polarized
light?

http://membres.lycos.fr/jjww/twistane.htm
There's nothing in there.

[6.6]chiralane has CHI=0.98 for the whole molecule and CHI=1 for its
carbon skeleton. It is as empty of things that grab light as
twistane. All its shortest paths are homochiral twist-boat
cyclohexanes. Will it calculate to an amazingly large [alpha]D? We
will know by July.

We're climbing activation energy here. If Petitjean's math has deep
roots, all it needs is something to succeed in application and folks
will start yelling "it's obvious." Barring that, one could go piss up
a rope before anybody would consider empirical research based upon it.

Discovery is insubordination. The existential root of Liberty is the
capacity to be very bad at taking orders from morons. Mediocrity is a
vice of the doomed.

Uncle Al

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Jun 10, 2005, 8:52:49 PM6/10/05
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Traveler wrote:
>
> Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:
>
> >Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand.
>
> ahaha... Do we know that left spin electrons fall identically as right
> spin electrons?
[snip]

Hey idiot Savain, spin is helicity not chirality or parity. At least
try to be stooopid in new and entertaining ways, idiot Savain.

> Louis Savain
>
> The Silver Bullet:

[snip]

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/savain.jpg

Traveler

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Jun 10, 2005, 9:11:29 PM6/10/05
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Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:

>Traveler wrote:
>>
>> Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:
>>
>> >Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand.
>>
>> ahaha... Do we know that left spin electrons fall identically as right
>> spin electrons?
>[snip]
>
>Hey idiot Savain, spin is helicity not chirality or parity.

Spin, chirality, parity, charge polarity, magnetic pole orientation,
etc... Who gives a flying fuck? It makes no difference to gravity.
That was my point, dickhead. ahaha... Get a fucking clue.

Your innate stupidity and cowardice are becoming more and more
transparent in your posts ever since a lot of people started getting
hip to your con games and ass-kissing ways. Remember when you insisted
that c is not measured, just defined, and that therefore there's no
point in talking about why c is measured constant in all FORs? Why not
set c to be 1 meter per second, then? Would it not have been simpler,
you cretinous fuckface?

No amount of ass-kissing is going to save you this time. You can kiss
John Baez's ass every day for a whole year. It won't make a fucking
difference. You're fucked, asshole. Your Eotvos crap is just crap and
you fucking know it. ahahaha... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...

Louis Savain

The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/Cosas/Reliability.htm

hanson

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Jun 10, 2005, 11:50:00 PM6/10/05
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AHAHAHA... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA... AHAHAHAHA
"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> cranked himself fiercely in
news:42AA300D...@hate.spam.net... after he cajoled in

news:42AA089F...@hate.spam.net...
>> > Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand. For
>> > reasons Uncle Al leaves to Dear Reader's imagination, the full parity
>> > Eotvos experiment in quartz will be Officially started next week.
>> > Results are due in mid-September rather than originally targeted 01
>> > August.
>> >
>> [hanson]
>> .... AHAHAHA... ......ahahahaha..
> [snip]
[re-sprouted]
news:2Dpqe.2277$hK3....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...

>> ahahaha....
>> >
>> [Al]
>> > If I were Einstein, I'd be sweating it.
>> >
>> [hanson]
>> ahahaha... ahahaha
> [snip]
[re-sprouted]
news:2Dpqe.2277$hK3....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> ahahaha..,. ahahahanson
>
[Al]

> Idiot. Read between the lines.
> Uncle Al
>
[hanson]
Idiot. Read what? .... there's nothing there, idiot!..
just like in your inventions and your loud cajoling...
...AHAHAHA... But, here's something for you, idiot:
news:2Dpqe.2277$hK3....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
... all of it clear ON and IN the lines. Can you read, idiot?
It's all between the "A" and the "H"... and the "a" and the "h"
... or did THAT crank you idiot Al? ...... AHAHAHAHAHAHA...
ahahaha... ahahanson

PS: Idiot, listen. Watch your fans now, idiot, them wondering
and searching for the meaning of what's between your lines.
These then are the little idiots, say class 3, but not green.
Thanks for the laughs, idiot.... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA....


Schoenfeld

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Jun 11, 2005, 11:52:25 AM6/11/05
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Uncle Al wrote:
[remove]


> Eotvos experiment in quartz will be Officially started next week.
> Results are due in mid-September rather than originally targeted 01
> August.

Hint: No one relevant cares.

Uncle Al

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Jun 11, 2005, 1:46:35 PM6/11/05
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Traveler wrote:
>
> Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:
>
> >Traveler wrote:
> >>
> >> Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand.
> >>
> >> ahaha... Do we know that left spin electrons fall identically as right
> >> spin electrons?
> >[snip]
> >
> >Hey idiot Savain, spin is helicity not chirality or parity.
>
> Spin, chirality, parity, charge polarity, magnetic pole orientation,
> etc... Who gives a flying fuck?

Not you. Yer stooopid. Go infest alt.sci.crotch-crickets

> Louis Savain
>
> The Silver Bullet:

Uncle Al

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Jun 11, 2005, 1:52:05 PM6/11/05
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On the contrary, academic folks have quietly expressed support.
Nobody is about to risk career by publicly commenting on a heterodox
experiment - either way. If there is a sustained non-null output from
the full parity Eotvos experiment in quartz, a lot of folks are
ready. If it goes clean null they quietly turn their backs. Fair
enough.

Either way, the Official answer will be out mid-September. The 01
August answer was not, ah, it didn't happen.

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Traveler

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Jun 11, 2005, 2:28:26 PM6/11/05
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In article <42AB237B...@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:

>Traveler wrote:
>>
>> Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:
>>
>> >Traveler wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand.
>> >>
>> >> ahaha... Do we know that left spin electrons fall identically as right
>> >> spin electrons?
>> >[snip]
>> >
>> >Hey idiot Savain, spin is helicity not chirality or parity.
>>
>> Spin, chirality, parity, charge polarity, magnetic pole orientation,
>> etc... Who gives a flying fuck?
>
>Not you. Yer stooopid. Go infest alt.sci.crotch-crickets

ahaha... Nobody gives a flying fuck about your Eotvos crap except
those stoopid enough to fall for your stoopid con game. ahahaha...
Everything gravitates exactly the same way, you cretinous sack of
shit.

Louis Savain

The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/Cosas/Reliability.htm

Traveler

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Jun 11, 2005, 2:34:24 PM6/11/05
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In article <1118514129.0...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"cnctut" <cnctu...@wmconnect.com> wrote:

>I'm interested but purely out of curiousity--not sure how to tie any
>outcome to cheaper consumer products. ;-))

If relativists understood gravity as much as they claim, Uncle
Dickhead's con game would not even exist and, if it did, there would
be no reason to be curious about something that is obviously crap.
ahaha... Gravity is an energy conservation phenomenon associated with
fourth-dimensional interactions and it affects everything the same
way.

Nomen Nescio

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Jun 11, 2005, 3:40:07 PM6/11/05
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>> Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand. For
>> reasons Uncle Al leaves to Dear Reader's imagination, the full
>> parity
>> Eotvos experiment in quartz will be Officially started next week.
>> Results are due in mid-September rather than originally targeted 01
>> August.
>>
>[hanson]
>.... AHAHAHA... but, Al, this sounds so familiar......ahahahaha..
>Your cockroach thing, your pound sized diamonds, and now
>this here... All you ever produce/d are wild thoughts & endless
>delays.. and concatenated excuses... but, where are the results
>of all your LOUD and incessant cajoling... cajoling like an idiot?
>ahahaha... ahahaha.... Al, is your announcement here the prelude
>for your next post that'll say: "Eotvos experiment was canceled"
>ahahaha....

Big promises, endless delays, concatenated excuses, no results,
cancelled projects ... Sounds like a typical biotech company!!

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Jan Panteltje

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Jun 11, 2005, 6:14:04 PM6/11/05
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On a sunny day (11 Jun 2005 11:22:09 -0700) it happened "cnctut"
<cnctu...@wmconnect.com> wrote in
<1118514129.0...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:

>
>
>I'm interested but purely out of curiousity--not sure how to tie any
>outcome to cheaper consumer products. ;-))
>

>Tut
Vacuum propellor, small solar powered spacecraft vacuum propellor
propulsion.
Will the efficiency of a solar sail be better? Likely, one coming up.
Burning the Einstein papers may cause heat, you can use it to make steam,
it will drive Uncle Al's diamond machine.
You will be rich.

LOL
hours turn into days.
days turn into years
years turn into lifetimes.
No diamonds, no EOTVOS, but not to worry, believe in re-incarnation and come
back as a bug to sniff Uncle's mix.
Usenet is stored on google, so, train the bug to learn to read, and
take it from there.

ah, diamonds in the spring, EOTVOS in the winter, bugs in the summer,
now we need a filler for autumn..

hanson

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<Helmut Wabnig> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:38:30 -0400, Traveler <trav...@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>>Einstein was a much cleverer con man than Traveler.

>>And much luckier too.
>>ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha... ahahaha... ahahaha... ahaha...
>>
[Helm]
> BTW, that is hanson's trade mark.
> Hanson, you're not alone.
>
[hanson]
Helm, the "AHAHAHA... ahahaha..." is avaible free of charge and
you should use it too, instead of, "wie ein Feigling", shoveing words
down Traveler's throat, words that he never said. Traveler posted
*** "Einstein was a much cleverer con man than YOU..." ****
Did you feel jealous or cranked over something that Traveler said
to/about you. Let's hear the reasons for your gauche behavior.
HAHAHAHA... ahahaha.... ahahahanson


hanson

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Jun 11, 2005, 7:38:18 PM6/11/05
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"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118528058.d680dd167c4b507dcfead6ebeeacba8f@teranews...

> Burning the Einstein papers may cause heat, you can use it to make steam,
> it will drive Uncle Al's diamond machine.
> You will be rich.
>
> LOL
> hours turn into days.
> days turn into years
> years turn into lifetimes.
> No diamonds, no EOTVOS, but not to worry, believe in
> re-incarnation and come back as a bug to sniff Uncle's mix.
> Usenet is stored on google, so, train the bug to learn to read,
> and take it from there.
>
> ah, diamonds in the spring, EOTVOS in the winter, bugs in the summer,
> now we need a filler for autumn..
>
AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA.... ahahahaha...
ahahaha.... ahahahahanson


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Uncle Al

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Jun 11, 2005, 9:52:03 PM6/11/05
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Traveler wrote:
>
> In article <42AB237B...@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
> <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
>
> >Traveler wrote:
> >>
> >> Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Traveler wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand.
> >> >>
> >> >> ahaha... Do we know that left spin electrons fall identically as right
> >> >> spin electrons?
> >> >[snip]
> >> >
> >> >Hey idiot Savain, spin is helicity not chirality or parity.
> >>
> >> Spin, chirality, parity, charge polarity, magnetic pole orientation,
> >> etc... Who gives a flying fuck?
> >
> >Not you. Yer stooopid. Go infest alt.sci.crotch-crickets
>
> ahaha... Nobody gives a flying fuck about your Eotvos crap except
> those stoopid enough to fall for your stoopid con game. ahahaha...
> Everything gravitates exactly the same way, you cretinous sack of
> shit.
>
> Louis Savain
>
> The Silver Bullet:

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/savain.jpg

Traveler

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Jun 11, 2005, 10:26:54 PM6/11/05
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Uncle Dickhead wrote:

>Traveler wrote:
>>
>> In article <42AB237B...@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
>> <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Traveler wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Traveler wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Psychotic, ineducable and boring charlatan (Uncle Dickhead) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Nobody knows if a left hand falls identically to a right hand.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ahaha... Do we know that left spin electrons fall identically as right
>> >> >> spin electrons?
>> >> >[snip]
>> >> >
>> >> >Hey idiot Savain, spin is helicity not chirality or parity.
>> >>
>> >> Spin, chirality, parity, charge polarity, magnetic pole orientation,
>> >> etc... Who gives a flying fuck?
>> >
>> >Not you. Yer stooopid. Go infest alt.sci.crotch-crickets
>>
>> ahaha... Nobody gives a flying fuck about your Eotvos crap except
>> those stoopid enough to fall for your stoopid con game. ahahaha...
>> Everything gravitates exactly the same way, you cretinous sack of
>> shit.
>>
>> Louis Savain
>>
>> The Silver Bullet:
>
>http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/savain.jpg

LOL. ahahaha... ahahaha... At least you got a sense of humor. That's
all you're gonna have left after your Eotvos debacle. Now I got a
question for you. Are those dogs moving in spacetime? Yes or no,
godamnit! One more question. ahaha... Do homosexual dogs fall faster
under gravity than heterosexual dogs? Answer the question, Uncle
Dickhead.

Louis Savain

The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/Cosas/Reliability.htm

Nick

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Jun 12, 2005, 1:35:10 AM6/12/05
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Boloney al.

Things don't fall differently.

Mark Fergerson

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Jun 12, 2005, 5:45:37 AM6/12/05
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Uncle Al wrote:

> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/savain.jpg

Maybe if there was a soundtrack of "DING!", he'd get it.

Mark L. Fergerson

Traveler

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Jun 12, 2005, 6:56:34 AM6/12/05
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In article <1vTqe.10049$6s.1792@fed1read02>, Mark Fergerson
<nu...@biz.ness> wrote:

I see. Uncle Dickhead must have fucked you in the ass, last night, eh
Fergeson? ahahaha...

Louis Savain

The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/Cosas/Reliability.htm

Ian Stirling

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Jun 13, 2005, 1:49:52 PM6/13/05
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Nick <macro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Boloney al.
>
> Things don't fall differently.

Where are your test results?
I do think it's unlikely to produce results, but it'd be nice if it did.
Physics is too boring.
I want FTL, and I want it yesterday!

Mitch Perkins

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Jun 13, 2005, 2:14:31 PM6/13/05
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Ian Stirling wrote:


> Physics is too boring.
> I want FTL, and I want it yesterday!

The impossible is a great protector of us. What would you do with
FTL?

Mitch P.

Traveler

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Jun 13, 2005, 2:08:26 PM6/13/05
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In article <42adc740$0$41914$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>, Ian
Stirling <ro...@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Nick <macro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Boloney al.
>>
>> Things don't fall differently.
>
>Where are your test results?

Test results have nothing to do with it. Understanding why things fall
do. If Uncle Dickhead understood gravity, we would not be talking be
about his Eotvos crap.

>I do think it's unlikely to produce results, but it'd be nice if it did.
>Physics is too boring.

Uncle Dickhead's Eotvos crap ain't gonna help. Physics is boring
because it does not try to explain phenomena. Unlike other fields of
science, it is observer-centric as opposed to being particle-centric.
Understanding the true mechanism of gravity would certainly be
exciting. Unfortunately for you, the assholes in charge are not even
interested. Heck they try hard to discourage others from figuring it
out. If you ask why-type questions, they tell you that, in physics,
one does not ask why.

>I want FTL, and I want it yesterday!

You ain't gonna get FTL. Heck you ain't gonna STL (slower than light)
either. There is only one speed in the universe and that speed is c.
Motion is a series of jumps and rests. The jumps occur at c.

Mitch Perkins

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Uncle Al wrote:

>
> Hey idiot Savain, spin is helicity not chirality or parity. At least
> try to be stooopid in new and entertaining ways, idiot Savain.
>

"Never look at the trombones. You'll only encourage them." - Richard
Strauss

Mitch P.

Traveler

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In article <1118686471.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Mitch Perkins" <mitchs...@yahoo.com> wrote:

You stupid fuck! Breakfast in Paris, lunch in Rio, business meeting in
Rome and sushi dinner in Tokyo. All on the same day! You have no
fucking imagination.

We may not be able to go faster (or slower) than c, but there is
something much more exciting on the horizon: there is no space. Space
(distance) is an illusion. Position is an intrinsic property of
particles. There is nothing to prevent us from changing the position
of a particle by a greater amount than the fundamental length. After
all it's a variable property. This means that we will one day have
technologies that will allow us to jump great distances without going
through the intermediate positions.

More Nasty Little Truths About Physics:
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/Crackpots/nasty.htm

We need to work on some really exciting physics. Fuck that chicken
shit Eotvos crap! ahaha...

Uncle Al

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Traveler wrote:
>
> In article <42adc740$0$41914$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>, Ian
> Stirling <ro...@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Nick <macro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Boloney al.
> >>
> >> Things don't fall differently.
> >
> >Where are your test results?
>
> Test results have nothing to do with it.
[snip crap]

The perfect Savain: "Test results have nothing to do with it."
Galileo must be busting a gut.

Uncle Al

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The full parity Eotvos experiment Officially starts late this week and
ends in mid-September. They are being *very* careful. *Extremely*
careful. For whatever reason(s), the thing tends not to hang there
quietly within experimental error.

Maybe lunar tidal forces distort the test masses. Quartz is
piezoelectric. Current flows in the gold jacket, EMF results from
residual ambient magnetic field that makes it through the shields.
Not likely given phase-locked detection of the signal.

They'll trace down every possible external signal source through its
periodicity and ampltude from periods of minutes to months. If
anything remains, that's the boojum. I'm not unpleased with how
things are progressing.

Traveler

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In article <42ADFC35...@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:

>Traveler wrote:
>>
>> In article <42adc740$0$41914$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>, Ian
>> Stirling <ro...@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >Nick <macro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Boloney al.
>> >>
>> >> Things don't fall differently.
>> >
>> >Where are your test results?
>>
>> Test results have nothing to do with it.
>[snip crap]
>
>The perfect Savain: "Test results have nothing to do with it."
>Galileo must be busting a gut.

ahaha... Is anybody comtemplating testing whether or not heterosexuals
are heavier or lighter on Saturn's moon Titan than heterosexuals of
equal mass? I don't think so. You know why? Because it's stupid,
that's why. The same is true for your Eotvos crap. ahahaha....
ahahaha....

p6

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Uncle Al wrote:
> Ian Stirling wrote:
> >
> > Nick <macro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Boloney al.
> > >
> > > Things don't fall differently.
> >
> > Where are your test results?
> > I do think it's unlikely to produce results, but it'd be nice if it did.
> > Physics is too boring.
> > I want FTL, and I want it yesterday!
>
> The full parity Eotvos experiment Officially starts late this week and
> ends in mid-September. They are being *very* careful. *Extremely*
> careful. For whatever reason(s), the thing tends not to hang there
> quietly within experimental error.
>
> Maybe lunar tidal forces distort the test masses. Quartz is
> piezoelectric. Current flows in the gold jacket, EMF results from
> residual ambient magnetic field that makes it through the shields.
> Not likely given phase-locked detection of the signal.
>
> They'll trace down every possible external signal source through its
> periodicity and ampltude from periods of minutes to months. If
> anything remains, that's the boojum. I'm not unpleased with how
> things are progressing.
>
> --
> Uncle Al

Wonder how you can shield it from human thought intrusions.
Human thought uses scalar wave that can in addition to coupling
to electromagnetic wave produces it too. That's right. There
is another way to create magnetic field without moving charges
or electron spin. It is by adjusting scalar wave in a certain way.

Your Eotvos is one of those tests that is sensitive enough to
pick up unwanted thought intrusions. And if you wish it hard
enough to produce non-null. It can produce such results but not
from Equivalence Principle violations but from such intrusions.

If Eotvos equipments are not so expensive. Get a second site and
we will influence it enough to produce any results you want.

It is of utmost importance that you take into consideration
the thought factor. Later if others repeat the experiment and
they have great expectations. It can affect it similarly.
You can't mess up M-Theory and wipe it for wrong reasons
by a series of false non-null.

p6

Traveler

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Jun 13, 2005, 6:37:51 PM6/13/05
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In article <42AE0101...@hate.spam.net>, Uncle Al
<Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:

>Ian Stirling wrote:
>>
>> Nick <macro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Boloney al.
>> >
>> > Things don't fall differently.
>>
>> Where are your test results?
>> I do think it's unlikely to produce results, but it'd be nice if it did.
>> Physics is too boring.
>> I want FTL, and I want it yesterday!
>
>The full parity Eotvos experiment Officially starts late this week and
>ends in mid-September. They are being *very* careful. *Extremely*
>careful. For whatever reason(s), the thing tends not to hang there
>quietly within experimental error.

Excuses, excuses.

>Maybe lunar tidal forces distort the test masses. Quartz is
>piezoelectric. Current flows in the gold jacket, EMF results from
>residual ambient magnetic field that makes it through the shields.
>Not likely given phase-locked detection of the signal.
>
>They'll trace down every possible external signal source through its
>periodicity and ampltude from periods of minutes to months. If
>anything remains, that's the boojum. I'm not unpleased with how
>things are progressing.

I see. So this thing is so close that, whatever comes out of it, Uncle
Dickhead can claim either victory or blame the null results on a bad
setup or the moon. And the con game continues. ahahaha... ahahaha...

Ian Stirling

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I'd want to sit in the big chair and get to say "Engage" in a resonant voice :)


Uncle Al

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Jun 13, 2005, 9:59:46 PM6/13/05
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[snip crap]

Idiot.

p6

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If you got a null in Eotvos. Experiment with us and we promise you
a non-null. The nature of our experiment is we will influence your
target substance non-locality anywhere in the planet. For preliminary.
We will influence your morphofield such that the wavefunction of
your body is influenced resulting in altered biochemical expressions,
etc. We will not follow the "harmless" protocols and we will attempt
to harm you by adjusting your scalar field (or qi) characteristics
in your body. This is for the sake of science.

I plan to do many official experiments after 10 yrs when I finished
a degree in physics and a doctorate so I can publish it in Physics
Review. But within 10 years. Many lives would be lost that can be
saved by this new physics concept wherein human intention can affect
physical substance not directly thru the particulate side but the
wave nature with extended electromagnetic hyper-functions that
underlike matter especially apparent in biological organisms.

Accept the challenge? If not, you are not a true scientist but a
parrot like Y.porat said.

p6

Nick

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Jun 14, 2005, 1:55:27 AM6/14/05
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One side of a crystal won't fall differently
than another. That's just common sense.

I hope you don't look up to al. He doesn't deserve it.

jmfb...@aol.com

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In article <42AA089F...@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
>MobyDikc wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone explain this experiment in lay terms?
>
>http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/m6_2.html
>
>Hollow beryllium filagree rotor (stiff and low mass!) balanced for
>mass and two orders of angular momenta. This is true before and after
>loading. Fist-sized for locality.

Oh, good. Thank you. That was the one thing not shown on
the pictures I looked at when you posted their webs. I couldn't
tell how large those things were.


<snip>

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

Traveler

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Ass kisser. ahaha...

Jan Panteltje

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On a sunny day (13 Jun 2005 15:31:44 -0700) it happened "p6"
<atom...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1118701904....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

It is worse then that, any passer by with a cell phone, somebody
using a cell phone in the next (or same) room....
Electromagnetic shielding is hard to make 100%, and magnetic even harder,
trains or underground running a mile away, we had pulses in the studio
from the trains... just anything, small tremor, if now they already have
problems then that means they did not pre-test, and that thus means the
first run in of no value (how ever long).
You'd need to repeat it in other places, ... Al does not know electronics and
the pitfalls of expermenting with high sensitivity.
These guys should team up with Winfried Hill (sci.electronics.design).
So, no result (that can be called 'useful') in some years.

>

Uncle Al

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> If you got a null in Eotvos. Experiment with us and we promise you
> a non-null. The nature of our experiment is we will influence your
> target substance non-locality anywhere in the planet.
[snip crap]

Idiot. Win a state lottery and go away.

Mitch Perkins

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Wouldn't we all... ~:?)

Some tourists were on a guided tour of an old English castle.
"Oh, wouldn't it have been wonderful to live in that time?", exclaimed
one woman.
The tour guide, (and this is probably against tour guide etiquette),
informed her that she would have been *cleaning* the sumptious rooms,
not eating/sleeping/relaxing in them.

Look at history - does the kindest, most benevolant person usually
get to sit in the big chair?

Don't mean to come off too serious - just wanted to be clear. I'm
sure if everyone were like you, FTL would be fun...

See ya,
Mitch P.

Mitch Perkins

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Traveler wrote:
> In article <1118686471.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Mitch Perkins" <mitchs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Ian Stirling wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Physics is too boring.
> >> I want FTL, and I want it yesterday!
> >
> > The impossible is a great protector of us. What would you do with
> >FTL?
>
> You stupid fuck!

Easy, eeeeaaaaasy there buck buck buck buck buckybob!!!

> Breakfast in Paris, lunch in Rio, business meeting in
> Rome and sushi dinner in Tokyo. All on the same day!

Very nice. However, couldn't you pack the same amount of activity
into a nanosecond? Why waste a whole day? Does a "day" have meaning
with FTL in the picture?

> You have no fucking imagination.

www.friendlyfirefilms.ca

I have *far too much* imagination, sir. I can imagine uses for FTL
that would turn your meals and meetings into a series of cackling,
bubbling shock waves of horror that would last an eternity!
Who's got the bomb? Only the good guys, if you ask each owner
individually...


>
> We may not be able to go faster (or slower) than c, but there is
> something much more exciting on the horizon: there is no space. Space
> (distance) is an illusion. Position is an intrinsic property of
> particles. There is nothing to prevent us from changing the position
> of a particle by a greater amount than the fundamental length. After
> all it's a variable property. This means that we will one day have
> technologies that will allow us to jump great distances without going
> through the intermediate positions.
>

When you say "us", I assume the term does *not* include homosexuals.
Do you intend to just keep them out of the loop, or do you have a wowee
demo *punishment* machine in store for those who offend your
sensibilities? This is my main point - the greater the power, the
bigger the danger to humanity.

Anyway, everything you say above is just that - stuff you're saying.
You think we can make it real without math or test results.

Why is that?

>
> We need to work on some really exciting physics. Fuck that chicken
> shit Eotvos crap! ahaha...
>

Do you understand it fully? Why do you think it's boring? Because you
don't like one of the people involved?

What does truly give with you?

Mitch P.

p6

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Parrot....

p6

Uncle Al

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> Parrot....

Giant Flying Vampire Toad. Read the label, git - and stay off Florida
golf courses.

Traveler

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In article <1118772123.4...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Mitch Perkins" <mitchs...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Traveler wrote:
>> In article <1118686471.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> "Mitch Perkins" <mitchs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Ian Stirling wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Physics is too boring.
>> >> I want FTL, and I want it yesterday!
>> >
>> > The impossible is a great protector of us. What would you do with
>> >FTL?
>>
>> You stupid fuck!
>
> Easy, eeeeaaaaasy there buck buck buck buck buckybob!!!
>
>> Breakfast in Paris, lunch in Rio, business meeting in
>> Rome and sushi dinner in Tokyo. All on the same day!
>
> Very nice. However, couldn't you pack the same amount of activity
>into a nanosecond? Why waste a whole day? Does a "day" have meaning
>with FTL in the picture?

No way I would eat sushi in a nanosecond. I take my time with sushi
and besides, I got to have some good sake to go with it. That slows me
down even more. :-)

>> You have no fucking imagination.
>
> www.friendlyfirefilms.ca

Ok, fine. You are to be commended for this film. Writer AND director
no less! Wow! I hope you make it big. It's a lot of fucking hard work
to make a movie. Especially a good one. When I lived in LA, I knew
many people in the business. It's ruthless. Hollywood is full of hate,
regardless of how they try to portray themselves on the screen.

> I have *far too much* imagination, sir. I can imagine uses for FTL
>that would turn your meals and meetings into a series of cackling,
>bubbling shock waves of horror that would last an eternity!

Ok. Write a script about what the world would be if one could cheaply
tele-transport oneself to any place in the world in a nanosecond. No
need for cars, planes, etc... How would this change the world? What if
the technology was so easy to get, anybody could build a transporter
in a garage? How would the government control this? Would it be
banned? How would terrorists use it to transport bombs. Nuclear bombs!
Not to mention nasty biological agents. How about criminals?

> Who's got the bomb? Only the good guys, if you ask each owner
>individually...

Fine. Humanity is so evil, technology will bring us down to our knees.
We (I included) need a lesson in humility, I guess. It's getting kind
of ugly out there and there's no let up in sight. Knowledge marches on
at a dizzying pace. The internet is the latest technology that is
bringing a revolution in communication. First we had the movable
press, then the telegraph followed by the telephone and other mass
communication technologies. Each time we made a giant leap forward. We
are in the middle of the last leap, IMO. It's scary, to say the least.

>> We may not be able to go faster (or slower) than c, but there is
>> something much more exciting on the horizon: there is no space. Space
>> (distance) is an illusion. Position is an intrinsic property of
>> particles. There is nothing to prevent us from changing the position
>> of a particle by a greater amount than the fundamental length. After
>> all it's a variable property. This means that we will one day have
>> technologies that will allow us to jump great distances without going
>> through the intermediate positions.
>>
> When you say "us", I assume the term does *not* include homosexuals.
>Do you intend to just keep them out of the loop, or do you have a wowee
>demo *punishment* machine in store for those who offend your
>sensibilities?

Since when do homosexuals offend me? You take my cursing way too
seriously, amigo. Who am I to judge anybody? This is my style, my way
of waking up as many people as possible. Most of us seem to be in a
fucking coma. I see something marvelous and much more fantastic than
our petty concerns, and I think others should see it too. Maybe it can
cure us of our collective madness.

> This is my main point - the greater the power, the
>bigger the danger to humanity.

I don't disagree.

> Anyway, everything you say above is just that - stuff you're saying.
>You think we can make it real without math or test results.
>
> Why is that?

Math is not nearly as important as scientists make it out to be. It's
a smoke screen. It explains nothing. On the contrary, it is the math
that is in dire need of a physical explanation, an ontological
grounding. For example, Newton's equation of motion does not explain
motion any more than Einstein spacetime explains gravity. Explanation
of phenomena requires an understanding of causes and effects.

Math is also a way for those that are *in* to keep the others out.
It's a rite of passage into a priesthood of grown up nerds. It's part
of the complex little puzzles that the pompous assholes use to show
off their intelligence and mark their territory. It's a dick
measurement game played by jackasses. Take a look at one of John
Baez's "This Week in Mathematical Physics" posts and you'll see what I
mean. It's nothing but worthless games that he uses to lord it over
his followers and show how clever he is. Physics has become a con
game. They all play it. They generate a bunch of useless, stupid,
nerdy Star-Trek voodoo crap along the way: black holes, wormholes,
parallel universes, quantum computing, time dimension, dimensions
curled up into tiny balls, time travel, etc...

I certainly believe in test results. But understanding is much more
important than experimenting. That will come soon enough. First, we
need to wake up to the fact that many of the leaders of the physics
community are bona fide crackpots/con artists and they are leading us
astray. It's a fucking religion. A really bad fucking religion. It's
devious. It made most of us blind. It has retarded progress in our
understanding of fundamental reality by at least a century.

>> We need to work on some really exciting physics. Fuck that chicken
>> shit Eotvos crap! ahaha...
>>
> Do you understand it fully? Why do you think it's boring? Because you
>don't like one of the people involved?

I believe I have an excellent understanding of the mechanism of
gravity. If Uncle Dickhead understood it, he would not have proposed
his stupid experiment. He would know that everything gravitates the
same way. Uncle Dickhead is part of the problem, not the solution.

> What does truly give with you?

I see something that others don't see. I admit that bothers the fuck
out of me. I have convinced only a handful of smart people. It's truly
pathetic, the way I see it. I never imagined it would be so hard. I've
tried politeness in the beginning. It did not work. I have made
progress only by being mean and ruthless.

Schoenfeld

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Traveler wrote:

> The internet is the latest technology that is
> bringing a revolution in communication. First we had the movable
> press, then the telegraph followed by the telephone and other mass
> communication technologies. Each time we made a giant leap forward. We
> are in the middle of the last leap, IMO. It's scary, to say the least.

By no means is the internet the last leap in communication. Not even
close. You might be close once thoughts can be directly communicated
between people. As far fetched as it sounds, this is going to happen
within 10 - 30 years my prediction. The military are already using
technology to control computer peripherals (mouse, keyboard) using
brainwaves. How far is the prospect of writing a page of a document
with a few thoughts, or drawing a diagram with a few thoughts?
Efficiently extracting information from a brain and converting it to
digital media is what the focus is on now. The next is inputting
digital information into a braint. After that, communicating between
brains using some device and established protocol would be possible.

Had you told someone in the 1950's about a tiny cell phone that can
access wikipedia from the middle of the desert, they would've dismissed
you as a crackpot.

Mitch Perkins

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Traveler wrote:
> In article <1118772123.4...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Mitch Perkins" <mitchs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Traveler wrote:
> >> In article <1118686471.0...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> "Mitch Perkins" <mitchs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Ian Stirling wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Physics is too boring.
> >> >> I want FTL, and I want it yesterday!
> >> >
> >> > The impossible is a great protector of us. What would you do with
> >> >FTL?
> >>
> >> You stupid fuck!
> >
> > Easy, eeeeaaaaasy there buck buck buck buck buckybob!!!
> >
> >> Breakfast in Paris, lunch in Rio, business meeting in
> >> Rome and sushi dinner in Tokyo. All on the same day!
> >
> > Very nice. However, couldn't you pack the same amount of activity
> >into a nanosecond? Why waste a whole day? Does a "day" have meaning
> >with FTL in the picture?
>
> No way I would eat sushi in a nanosecond. I take my time with sushi
> and besides, I got to have some good sake to go with it. That slows me
> down even more. :-)

~:?)


>
> >> You have no fucking imagination.
> >
> > www.friendlyfirefilms.ca
>
> Ok, fine. You are to be commended for this film. Writer AND director
> no less! Wow! I hope you make it big. It's a lot of fucking hard work
> to make a movie. Especially a good one. When I lived in LA, I knew
> many people in the business. It's ruthless. Hollywood is full of hate,
> regardless of how they try to portray themselves on the screen.

Thanks for the kudos, but see, that last sentence...you really gotta
calm down for your own health and peace of mind!


>
> > I have *far too much* imagination, sir. I can imagine uses for FTL
> >that would turn your meals and meetings into a series of cackling,
> >bubbling shock waves of horror that would last an eternity!
>
> Ok. Write a script about what the world would be if one could cheaply
> tele-transport oneself to any place in the world in a nanosecond. No
> need for cars, planes, etc... How would this change the world? What if
> the technology was so easy to get, anybody could build a transporter
> in a garage? How would the government control this? Would it be
> banned? How would terrorists use it to transport bombs. Nuclear bombs!
> Not to mention nasty biological agents. How about criminals?

Here's the script: 100 pages of "AAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!" ~:?)


>
> > Who's got the bomb? Only the good guys, if you ask each owner
> >individually...
>
> Fine. Humanity is so evil, technology will bring us down to our knees.
> We (I included) need a lesson in humility, I guess. It's getting kind
> of ugly out there and there's no let up in sight. Knowledge marches on
> at a dizzying pace. The internet is the latest technology that is
> bringing a revolution in communication. First we had the movable
> press, then the telegraph followed by the telephone and other mass
> communication technologies. Each time we made a giant leap forward. We
> are in the middle of the last leap, IMO. It's scary, to say the least.

Anything that can be taken from you, you don't own. Note that
includes everything, your left ear and even your beliefs (drugs,
brainwashing). So relax and don't be scared; some people only get to
live *5 minutes* before they die of some shitty disease. We've had a
relatively good run, no?


>
> >> We may not be able to go faster (or slower) than c, but there is
> >> something much more exciting on the horizon: there is no space. Space
> >> (distance) is an illusion. Position is an intrinsic property of
> >> particles. There is nothing to prevent us from changing the position
> >> of a particle by a greater amount than the fundamental length. After
> >> all it's a variable property. This means that we will one day have
> >> technologies that will allow us to jump great distances without going
> >> through the intermediate positions.
> >>
> > When you say "us", I assume the term does *not* include homosexuals.
> >Do you intend to just keep them out of the loop, or do you have a wowee
> >demo *punishment* machine in store for those who offend your
> >sensibilities?
>
> Since when do homosexuals offend me? You take my cursing way too
> seriously, amigo. Who am I to judge anybody? This is my style, my way
> of waking up as many people as possible. Most of us seem to be in a
> fucking coma. I see something marvelous and much more fantastic than
> our petty concerns, and I think others should see it too. Maybe it can
> cure us of our collective madness.

Okay.


>
> > This is my main point - the greater the power, the
> >bigger the danger to humanity.
>
> I don't disagree.
>
> > Anyway, everything you say above is just that - stuff you're saying.
> >You think we can make it real without math or test results.
> >
> > Why is that?
>
> Math is not nearly as important as scientists make it out to be. It's
> a smoke screen. It explains nothing. On the contrary, it is the math
> that is in dire need of a physical explanation, an ontological
> grounding. For example, Newton's equation of motion does not explain
> motion any more than Einstein spacetime explains gravity. Explanation
> of phenomena requires an understanding of causes and effects.

A ball moves on earth if I throw it. Gravity and friction slow it
down, right? So if there's no gravity or friction around to slow it
down, why would it stop? I find Newton's law beautiful in it's simple
wording of a simple fact. Plus, there are only ywo choices, right? If
the law didn't hold, we wouldn't be here!

> Math is also a way for those that are *in* to keep the others out.
> It's a rite of passage into a priesthood of grown up nerds. It's part
> of the complex little puzzles that the pompous assholes use to show
> off their intelligence and mark their territory. It's a dick
> measurement game played by jackasses. Take a look at one of John
> Baez's "This Week in Mathematical Physics" posts and you'll see what I
> mean. It's nothing but worthless games that he uses to lord it over
> his followers and show how clever he is. Physics has become a con
> game. They all play it. They generate a bunch of useless, stupid,
> nerdy Star-Trek voodoo crap along the way: black holes, wormholes,
> parallel universes, quantum computing, time dimension, dimensions
> curled up into tiny balls, time travel, etc...

I think people respond to beauty, symmetry, elegance, and *neat
tricks*. Baez doesn't come to mind as any sort of target, he's just
doing what he loves, same as you and I.


>
> I certainly believe in test results. But understanding is much more
> important than experimenting. That will come soon enough. First, we
> need to wake up to the fact that many of the leaders of the physics
> community are bona fide crackpots/con artists and they are leading us
> astray. It's a fucking religion. A really bad fucking religion. It's
> devious. It made most of us blind. It has retarded progress in our
> understanding of fundamental reality by at least a century.

Looks to me like physics is following where logic and observation
leads. Simple as that. Can we disagree? Or do I have to be a sack of
shit of some sort? ~:?)


>
> >> We need to work on some really exciting physics. Fuck that chicken
> >> shit Eotvos crap! ahaha...
> >>
> > Do you understand it fully? Why do you think it's boring? Because you
> >don't like one of the people involved?
>
> I believe I have an excellent understanding of the mechanism of
> gravity. If Uncle Dickhead understood it, he would not have proposed
> his stupid experiment. He would know that everything gravitates the
> same way. Uncle Dickhead is part of the problem, not the solution.

We'll see, eh?


>
> > What does truly give with you?
>
> I see something that others don't see. I admit that bothers the fuck
> out of me. I have convinced only a handful of smart people. It's truly
> pathetic, the way I see it. I never imagined it would be so hard. I've
> tried politeness in the beginning. It did not work. I have made
> progress only by being mean and ruthless.

Without any sarcasm, I'm interested in how being mean and ruthless
has helped you progress. It seems impossible!

Mitch P.

JimboCat

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Uncle Al wrote:
> The full parity Eotvos experiment Officially starts late this week and
> ends in mid-September. They are being *very* careful. *Extremely*
> careful. For whatever reason(s), the thing tends not to hang there
> quietly within experimental error.

Kewl! I hope it turns out to be something wildly unanticipated (ie not
electromagnetic).

> Maybe lunar tidal forces distort the test masses. Quartz is
> piezoelectric. Current flows in the gold jacket, EMF results from
> residual ambient magnetic field that makes it through the shields.
> Not likely given phase-locked detection of the signal.

Not even indirectly electromagnetic, dammit! <g>

> They'll trace down every possible external signal source through its
> periodicity and ampltude from periods of minutes to months. If
> anything remains, that's the boojum. I'm not unpleased with how
> things are progressing.

Indeed not: I'd say this is encouraging. The best science comes not
from "eureka!" but from "huh. That's weird..."

Have they ruled out anything at all yet, like, say, a sidereal
periodicity? I think I already speculated here on your discovering the
"axis of the universe" with this setup...

Jim Deutch (JimboCat)
--
To quote from an imaginary musical
version of T.S. Kuhn's "The Structure of
Scientific Revolutions," "Once I built a
theory, now it's done. / Brother, can you
paradigm." - Jay Banks

Uncle Al

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Jun 17, 2005, 5:16:18 PM6/17/05
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JimboCat wrote:
>
> Uncle Al wrote:
> > The full parity Eotvos experiment Officially starts late this week and
> > ends in mid-September. They are being *very* careful. *Extremely*
> > careful. For whatever reason(s), the thing tends not to hang there
> > quietly within experimental error.
>
> Kewl! I hope it turns out to be something wildly unanticipated (ie not
> electromagnetic).

The apparatus is isolated and shielded in every way possible;
gold-plated, grounded... it aspires to be the quietest volume of
absolutely nothing on Earth. The apparatus is being run SOP by its
academic keepers. it is multiply qualified to do the required
measurment by virtue of having output nothing but perfect nulls within
experimental error in previous applications.

> > Maybe lunar tidal forces distort the test masses. Quartz is
> > piezoelectric. Current flows in the gold jacket, EMF results from
> > residual ambient magnetic field that makes it through the shields.
> > Not likely given phase-locked detection of the signal.
>
> Not even indirectly electromagnetic, dammit! <g>
>
> > They'll trace down every possible external signal source through its
> > periodicity and ampltude from periods of minutes to months. If
> > anything remains, that's the boojum. I'm not unpleased with how
> > things are progressing.
>
> Indeed not: I'd say this is encouraging. The best science comes not
> from "eureka!" but from "huh. That's weird..."

Asimov. "8^>) Propose, calculate, then look. That is at we have
done. The only surprise possible at this point - other than a
non-null output itself - would be a signal in excess of 10
parts-per-trillion difference/averge. If that were to happen,
chemists could have seen it as a fat signal in calorimetry
experiments. More than 100,000 folks overall will be very
chagrinned. Isn't that what the universe is all about, screwing
people?



> Have they ruled out anything at all yet, like, say, a sidereal
> periodicity? I think I already speculated here on your discovering the
> "axis of the universe" with this setup...

Equivalence Principle tests have been ongoing for 420 years,

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm#b22

There are no loose variables remaining.

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