Feynman and Lightning

[W. eWatson]

Many years ago I read in Feynman that lightning storms occur somewhat
simultaneously around the world. I recently asked a physicist about
this, and he said it was true. He added that lightning is generally
started around noon off the southern tip of India. Does anyone know more
about this?

Anyone know of a reasonably current popular book on lightning. I have
All About Lightning by Uman, 1986, Dover Pubs.

[wbeaty]

Also try Uman's book "Lightning," it's aimed at a tech audience rather
than gen public.


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[W. eWatson]

Thanks. I'll check it on Amazon. Have you read The Disappearing Spoon?
The topic is the periodic table.

[Sam Wormley]

On 4/15/12 1:21 PM, W. eWatson wrote:
> Many years ago I read in Feynman that lightning storms occur somewhat
> simultaneously around the world.

Can you cite a Feynman publication?

[W. eWatson]

Lectures in Physics, chapter 9, book II, and likely a bit into chapter 10.

[be...@iwaynet.net]

Here we go again! Get out the tinfoil helmets as everybody starts to
believe that all the teen hoaxes with flash cameras are this so-called
"lightning"! I've talked to some teens who have actually faked the
lightning and fooled reporters. There is total consensus among
scientists that this so called lightening is not repeatable and can't be
produced at will and hence is total popular nonsense!

Most lightning "researchers" simply end up winning the "ig nobel" prize
for this nonsense. Why don't you all grow a brain and realize that THERE
IS NO SUCH THING AS LIGHTNING! It's all just a fake and fraud by
hoaxsters. You all need to be smarter than this! If it were real it
would be repeatable at will. It's not and that proves it doesn't exist!
Grow up.

[G=EMC^2]

Sam I did read that Feynman had 500 volts from your nose to the ground. Again its one on natures balancing acts. TreBert

[Sam Wormley]

All Feynman says is that there are about 300 thunderstorms per day
globally. Nothing to do with simultaneity.

Perhaps you can quote a sentence that gave you that impression.

[G=EMC^2]

On Monday, April 16, 2012 9:31:33 AM UTC-4, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 4/15/12 8:30 PM, W. eWatson wrote:
> > On 4/15/2012 4:40 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> On 4/15/12 1:21 PM, W. eWatson wrote:
> >>> Many years ago I read in Feynman that lightning storms occur somewhat
> >>> simultaneously around the world.
> >>
> >> Can you cite a Feynman publication?
> > Lectures in Physics, chapter 9, book II, and likely a bit into chapter 10.
>
> All Feynman says is that there are about 300 thunderstorms per day
> globally. Nothing to do with simultaneity.

> There are much more than 300 thunderstorms. Much more than 3,000 per day. In Florida a man working constructing steel girders was killed by lightning and not a cloud in the sky. It was a mystery,but I knew the answer. It fits with a lemon battery can kill you if the lemon is big enough.

[W. eWatson]

I'll take a look later, but the physicist I talked to agreed with the
statement and often referred to it. To bad it's not a pdf.

[Sam Wormley]

On 4/17/12 6:54 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
> In Florida a man working constructing steel girders was killed by lightning and not a cloud in the sky.

A bolt from the blue. It happens.

[Sam Wormley]

I have a .pdf and I have the books--All Feynman says is that there are

[W. eWatson]

Check page 9-3. "The strange part of thing is that no matter where you
measure the current--in the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean--it is at
its peak value when the clocks in London say 7:00 pm." More follows that
on the page. Then look on page 9-4. "There are about 40,000
thunderstorms per day ..." The book, of course, is over 40 years old.
Maybe the fellow I talked with has more up to date info when he said
India.

[G=EMC^2]

Sam lightning and static electricity are the same thing.Working with iron girders on a sandy site with strong wind were the right conditions for a electric charge to build up. This electric charge hit him like a bolt of lightning. The odd in reality were higher than his winning the Florida lottery. Sam walk on a rug wearing rubber sole shoes,and touch a door knob. You will get the picture. Your brain works on electricity so let the charge build up before you find fault with my posts. TreBert

[Sam Wormley]

On 4/18/12 7:44 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
> Sam lightning and static electricity are the same thing.

Lightning can't get started by itself as the potentials are too low,
so it needs run away electrons as triggers. Cosmic rays are very good
candidates.

[Sam Wormley]

On 4/17/12 11:59 PM, W. eWatson wrote:

> Check page 9-3. "The strange part of thing is that no matter where you
> measure the current--in the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean--it is at
> its peak value when the clocks in London say 7:00 pm." More follows that
> on the page. Then look on page 9-4. "There are about 40,000
> thunderstorms per day ..." The book, of course, is over 40 years old.
> Maybe the fellow I talked with has more up to date info when he said India.

Your copy of Feynman and mine read differently... perhaps you have a
later edition. Mine is the Third Printing in October 1965.

[W. eWatson]

1964.

[W. eWatson]

Several years ago there was a TV program either on the Science Channel
or some of the Discovery Channels about lightning. They talked about
lightning out of the blue, but it's too distant to recall what they
said; however, it was well illustrated in one segment. Some people were
on a deck talking about how clear the sky was. Before them lay a large
body of water. Perhaps and ocean. Suddenly a lightning flash struck
nearby causing them to scatter.

Another scene showed two workers lightning proofing a home. They talked
at some length about what they were doing. They were finally standing
perhaps a 100' from the home talking about how they had just finished
the job. Suddenly a bolt hit one of rods they placed on the house. They
and I found it quite humorous.

Martin Uman has written a number of books on lighting. Popular and
technical. See
<http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/askjack/walightn.htm> for an
interview with him, and search for blue.

[G=EMC^2]

Sam all it takes is "negative charge build up in base of cloud.Air becomes the conductor when strong electric fields produce ions with free electrons. If you need to know how to prevent lightning from hitting the ground "just ask" I know everything. O ya Treb too. TreBert

[Sam Wormley]

I'm asking: How can one prevent lightning from hitting the ground?
Hurry there are storms coming in a few days.

[Helmut Wabnig]

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:37:15 -0500, Sam Wormley <swor...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Where else should a lightning go?
Back up to the clouds?

w.

[bjacoby]

Sam, I'd suggest you ask. The more you learn about "heavy air theory"
the better!

[Sam Wormley]

What is "heavy air theory"?

[bjacoby]

On 4/20/2012 3:19 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:

> What is "heavy air theory"?

I'm sorry Sam. I forgot about your age. Today is Friday.

[Androcles]

"bjacoby" <bja...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:JMjkr.52595$R85....@newsfe17.iad...

> On 4/20/2012 3:19 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>
>> What is "heavy air theory"?
>
> I'm sorry Sam. I forgot about your age. Today is Friday.
>

Tell him not to buy green bananas.

[G=EMC^2]

Best Sam is to conduct the charge to follow the ion path. The lightning hits the conductor high on the roof flows down its cable that is deep in the ground and thus not causing any damage to your house. Ben Franklin was a great inventor TreBert

[hanson]

>>>> ED Hebe Herbie Glazier G=EMC^2, the Trebert wrote:
>>>>> Sam lightning and static electricity are the same thing.
>>>>
>>> ED Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>> Lightning can't get started by itself as the potentials
>>>> are too low, so it needs run away electrons as triggers.
>>>> Cosmic rays are very good candidates.
>>>
>>> ED Hebe Herbie wrote:
>>> Sam all it takes is "negative charge build up in
>>> base of cloud.Air becomes the conductor when
>>> strong electric fields produce ions with free
>>> electrons. If you need to know how to prevent
>>> lightning from hitting the ground "just ask"

>>> ___I know everything. O ya Treb too. TreBert___

>>
>> ED Sam Wormley wrote:
>> I'm asking: How can one prevent lightning from hitting
>> the ground?
>> Hurry there are storms coming in a few days.
>

ED "Helmut Wabnig" <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
> Where else should a lightning go?
> Back up to the clouds?
>

hanson wrote:
This is wonderful. 3 EDs, 3 Einstein Dingleberries,
are having conference... and do not even mention
the words of their icon, whose sphincter they do
adore & worship with a REL-igious passion. Pity.
>
Here's your chance though, guys. Einstein wrote his
famous & lauded 1905 paper, titled: __"ON THE
ELECTRODYNAMICS OF MOVING BODIES"__
>
Now in/with your lightning scenarios, you have all
the needed ingredients: Electrodynamics, moving
bodies & relativistic speeds to show and prove to
the world that Einstein's theory indeed describes &
proves all the notions & motions that you guys have
expressed above.
>
Show that the path of the lighting is predicted by
SR. Show how the lightning makes your clocks
go slower, IOW the that time involved dilates, &
that the paths of the lightning gets shorter when
YOU, the "observers" look at it...
>
This is a wonderful occasion for Sam to cement
his advocacy that "there was never an experiment
that falsified SR". Don't weasel and argue, like you
Einstein Dingleberries usually do & find excuses,
>
BUT, INSTEAD simply show how SR predicts the
PATH of the lighting such as shown here:
<http://tinyurl.com/Lightning-cloud-to-cloud>
<http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/2921670935_e81af2ba71_b.jpg>
>