The driving formula of the universe.
Tom Potter
VOLUME
-----------
The volume of a perfect sphere is:
volume = 4 / 3 * pi * radius^3
If a sphere divides into two equal parts
and there is no "sawdust"
( No matter is converted into space.)
each part would have a volume of
one half of the original volume.
A division of an original sphere with a volume of 1.0 volume units,
would create two spheres with volumes of .5 volume units.
--------------------------------------------
SPACE
--------
The radius of a perfect sphere is:
radius = ( 3/4 * volume / pi ) ^.3333333
The radius of a 1.0 unit sphere is 0.620350491
and the radii of a .5 unit sphere is 0.492372511.
The first two spheres from a division would create a space of
2 * 0.492372511 or 0.984745023
compared to the original space of 0.620350491,
thus the space would be increased by 0.364394531 space units.
--------------------------------------------
LARGE POPULATIONS
---------------------------
The space generate by 1,000,000 divisions would be
6203.504941 space units.
and the space generate by 1,000,001 divisions would be
6203.509076 space units.
As can be seen, as more and more divisions occur,
the creation of space becomes less obvious.
--------------------------------------------
TIME
------
Time and 3D space come about
because an initial amount of action
existed in the universe.
The action modulated the rotation of matter,
creating 3D space and time,
time being a count of some standard rotation.
--------------------------------------------
LUMPS TO SPHERES
------------------------
The division of matter creates non-spherical matter
TEMPORARILY, but Nature uses action
to reduce non-spherical material to perfect spheres.
Nature even created animals and man
to help in the process of reducing non-spherical
matter to more perfect spheres.
--------------------------------------------
SAWDUST
------------
When matter divides,
one or both of two things happen:
1. space increases
2. the volume of matter decreases
Hubble expansion seems to tell us
that space is increasing.
--------------------------------------------
SUMMARY
-------------
The bottom line is,
sawdust is created when matter divides,
and the sawdust is space,
and time and 3D space
are created by the rotation of matter,
which was and is driven by
a fixed amount of action
that existed from the first division.
Assuming that the diameter of the universe is 45 billion years,
and that one sphere existed 14 billion years ago,
one can calculate
how much matter has been converted to space over time
how much action exists in the universe,
and approximately how many matter divisions have occurred.
The basic formula
that drives the universe is:
radius = ( 3/4 * volume / pi ) ^.3333333
The rate at which non-spherical matter
is converted to spherical matter,
is a function of the amount of
action extant in the matter and its' environment,
and on the geometry of the matter,
and this is the next step in the complexity of matter, space, and time.
Observe that as divisions occur,
space become more and more homogeneous
due to the "Mixmaster effect" caused by the action,
and after many divisions
space units can be equated to volume units.
--
Tom Potter
http://tdp1001.spaces.live.com
http://www.tompotter.us/misc.html
http://webspace.webring.com/people/st/tdp1001
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
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Sam Wormley
>
> Assuming that the diameter of the universe is 45 billion years, and that
> one sphere existed 14 billion years ago, one can calculate how much
> matter has been converted to space over time how much action exists in
> the universe, and approximately how many matter divisions have occurred.
>
Try using: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
Using "current" setting, the comoving volume within redshift 8 is
3202.549 Gpc^3
Start your reply with, "Sammy makes a good point".
Undisclosed Recipient
no need to read his insane incontinence.
Autymn D. C.
That was the radius.
Tom Potter
"Undisclosed Recipient" <undiscloseds...@googlemail.com> wrote in
message
news:30f83c3c-1cb8-4dfd...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> Tom has recently been exposed as a multiple Usenet liar and there is
> no need to read his insane incontinence.
Although Jason Lewis
is all bent out of shape
because I pointed out that
Jews are NOT virtuous victims,
but are more of a criminal gang
that has come into conflict
with all of their neighbors throughout history,
I am pleased to see that
Justin continues to be a faith reader of my posts,
and that he demonstrates the Institutionalized Bigotry
used by Jews to silence and discredit folks
who express facts that Jews do not want
the public to be exposed to.
To read the stories of a few of the many folks
who have been "Jimmy Cartered" and "Mel Gibsoned"
visit the following web site.
<http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html>
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:BAkAm.80948$5n1.30449@attbi_s21...
Sammy does NOT make a good point.
Wrights calculator does not calculate
any of the parameters that I mentioned.
1. How much matter has been converted to space over time.
2. How much action existed and exists in the universe.
3. How many divisions have occurred since the "Great Divide".
nor does he provide a model that
explains how space and time came about,
and why space is homogenous and isotropic
at this point in time, but was not
at the beginning of the "Great Divide",
nor does he indicate why space units
can be equated to volume units,
and how Nature uses the physical property action
to operate her "Mixmaster",
nor does he indicate that Nature
created man to help
reduce the Earth to a sphere,
etc.
I suggest that if someone wants a quick Nobel Prize,
that they should write a computer program,
that starts with one slightly non-spherical sphere (Bi-polar)
and a fixed amount of action,
and graphically show how the sphere is forced
to divide, and all of the subsequent slightly non-spherical sphere
are forced to divide,
and how the resultant pieces of matter and pieces of space
become distributed in a frictionless void.
Tom Potter
"Autymn D. C." <lysd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:13e14cb5-ced8-42f7...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> its' is not a word, cretin.
>
> That was the radius.
I would like to thank my pal "Autymn D. C."
for pointing out that I focus on logic
and for demonstrating that she focuses on
what she has been conditioned to
by race, religion, family and convention.
-------------------------------
As can be seen from my posts,
I always use its' to differentiate between
the possessive of it
and the plural of it.
As "Autymn D. C."has been conditioned
to avoid differentiating between
the possessive of it
and the plural of it,
and if she wrote a computer program,
it could not LOGICALLY determine
if its were possessive or plural,
but would have to use the context
to GUESS what the word meant.
It is LOGICAL that
it's = it is
its = plural
its' = possessive.
-------------------------------
And as can be seen by examining her posts,
"Autymn D. C." has also been conditioned
by race, religion and family.
to be a bigot,
and to use the buzz words commonly used by bigots,
like cretin, stupid Nazi, Brown Shirt, Hitler, anti-Semitic, etc.
Note that as bigots do not have the intelligence and knowledge
nor the FACTS, to engage in constructive dialogues,
what they do is use a small laundry list of words,
to try to condition ignorant folks that they are
more intelligent and moral than the victim
by avoiding the basic issue,
and equating their victim to a set of negative buzz words,
and equating themselves to a set of positive buzz words.
Some positive buzz words that bigots try to avoid include
honest, hard working, moral, good neighbor, sacrifice,
helpful, modest, unselfish, humble, team player, etc.
The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person
who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own."
To read the stories of a few of the many
folks who have been victims of bigots
visit the following web site.
<http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html>
--
Sendme
> "Undisclosed Recipient" <undisclosedspamrecipi...@googlemail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:30f83c3c-1cb8-4dfd...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> -----------------------------------------------
You do not deny being a liar - that is a start!
Why would religion have anything to do with my posting? Only a
paranoid bigot would make that association - oh, that's you is it not
Tom, you illiterate mentally retarded dwarf? You gonna solvate again?
Or stare at your naval?
IDIOT, LIAR, HYPOCRITE NAZI.
The Ugandans are probably the most moral, productive and intelligent
people on the planet, eh Tom?
Sendme
>
> As can be seen from my posts,
> I always use its' to differentiate between
>
> the possessive of it
> and the plural of it.
> As "Autymn D. C."has been conditioned
> to avoid differentiating between
> the possessive of it
> and the plural of it,
>
> and if she wrote a computer program,
> it could not LOGICALLY determine
> if its were possessive or plural,
> but would have to use the context
> to GUESS what the word meant.
>
> It is LOGICAL that
> it's = it is
> its = plural
> its' = possessive.
>
is the third person singular pronoun (subjective or objective)
refering to (usually) an inanimate or neuter thing/object.
If, as you suggest, "its" is the plural of "it" one could say "its are
very nice cars" or "I spoke to its".
"Its" is a determiner meaning belonging to it (singular and requiring
no apostrphe). Very rareley "its" is a pronoun - "where is the baby's
food?"""Its is over there"'.
The apostrophe plus the letter s is only used to show possession in
nouns, not pronouns: plural is "the runners' legs" and singular is
"the runner's legs".
Its is already singular and possessive, just like his and hers. None
need an apostrophe.
The word you wrote does not exist and I am afraid the description
"cretin" is appropriate.
ITS = the cretin's word.
Autymn D. C.
> "Autymn D. C." <lysde...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in messagenews:13e14cb5-ced8-42f7...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> > its' is not a word, cretin.
>
> > That was the radius.
>
> I would like to thank my pal "Autymn D. C."
> for pointing out that I focus on logic
>
> and for demonstrating that she focuses on
> what she has been conditioned to
> by race, religion, family and convention.
You focus on paraloghic and I on loghic. My conditioning is none;
there is nobody in the world lik me.
> As can be seen from my posts,
> I always use its' to differentiate between
>
> the possessive of it
> and the plural of it.
>
> As "Autymn D. C."has been conditioned
> to avoid differentiating between
> the possessive of it
> and the plural of it,
singular neuter nominative third-person: it
plural neuter nominative third-person: some
> and if she wrote a computer program,
> it could not LOGICALLY determine
> if its were possessive or plural,
> but would have to use the context
> to GUESS what the word meant.
>
> It is LOGICAL that
> it's = it is
> its = plural
> its' = possessive.
Where do you write your plural pronoun its? How do you tell a
singular possessive and plural possessive?
> And as can be seen by examining her posts,
> "Autymn D. C." has also been conditioned
> by race, religion and family.
> to be a bigot,
>
> and to use the buzz words commonly used by bigots,
> like cretin, stupid Nazi, Brown Shirt, Hitler, anti-Semitic, etc.
Those are sooths, not bigoted opinions.
> Note that as bigots do not have the intelligence and knowledge
> nor the FACTS, to engage in constructive dialogues,
> what they do is use a small laundry list of words,
> to try to condition ignorant folks that they are
> more intelligent and moral than the victim
Yes, you do not.
> by avoiding the basic issue,
> and equating their victim to a set of negative buzz words,
> and equating themselves to a set of positive buzz words.
Note how you took the thread off rails to spew your deluded bigotry,
rather than answer my correction of your radius and pronoun.
> Some positive buzz words that bigots try to avoid include
> honest, hard working, moral, good neighbor, sacrifice,
> helpful, modest, unselfish, humble, team player, etc.
yes, yours
> The definition of "bigot" is:
> "A prejudiced person
> who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own."
http://google.com/groups?q=Autymn+-autumn+not-prejudiced
-Aut
Tom Potter
"Sendme" <sendmesome...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8065cfb1-83ee-4f28...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> As can be seen from my posts,
>> I always use its' to differentiate between
>>
>> the possessive of it
>> and the plural of it.
> There is no plural you prick.
>> As "Autymn D. C."has been conditioned
>> to avoid differentiating between
>> the possessive of it
>> and the plural of it,
>>
>> and if she wrote a computer program,
>> it could not LOGICALLY determine
>> if its were possessive or plural,
>> but would have to use the context
>> to GUESS what the word meant.
>>
>> It is LOGICAL that
>> it's = it is
>> its = plural
>> its' = possessive.
>>
> Tom, you galactacally moronic imbecile, there is no plural of "it".
If its and buts
were candy and nuts
it would be Christmas every day.
Sendme
> "Sendme" <sendmesomemorespa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8065cfb1-83ee-4f28...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >> As can be seen from my posts,
> >> I always use its' to differentiate between
>
> >> the possessive of it
> >> and the plural of it.
> > There is no plural you prick.
> >> As "Autymn D. C."has been conditioned
> >> to avoid differentiating between
> >> the possessive of it
> >> and the plural of it,
>
> >> and if she wrote a computer program,
> >> it could not LOGICALLY determine
> >> if its were possessive or plural,
> >> but would have to use the context
> >> to GUESS what the word meant.
>
> >> It is LOGICAL that
> >> it's = it is
> >> its = plural
> >> its' = possessive.
>
> > Tom, you galactacally moronic imbecile, there is no plural of "it".
>
> If its and buts
> were candy and nuts
> it would be Christmas every day.
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------
Open a grammar book, you stupid halfwitted bigot.
Tom Potter
Better yet,
open a physics book.
John Wheeler said::
"every it--every particle, every field of force,
even the spacetime continuum itself--derives its function, its meaning,
its very existence entirely--even if in some contexts indirectly--from the
apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions, binary choices,
_bits_."
I am sitting around many "its".
I see a mouse. I touched "it".
I see a modem. I touched "it".
I see a monitor. I touched "it".
Assuming that these "its"
owe their existence to "yes-or-no questions, binary choices" ("bits")
show how you would express "its from bits"
so that a programmer can differentiate plural "its" from
it's = it is
its' = possessive
in a clear, concise, unambiguous way.
No doubt, many people are locked into the past
by race, religion, parental, school and conditioning, habits, etc.
and are still emotionally clinging to outmoded things like
grandfather clocks, wind-up watches, pianos, 78 RPM record players,
and believing in fables like the Torah, Bible, King Arthur, etc.
and some people are so emotionally bound up with
outmoded ideas that they get all bent out of shape
if anyone dares so suggest that what they cling to emotionally
is destructive to them and the larger society,
and some uncivilized ones even attack such folks using phrases like
"you galactacally moronic imbecile:,
"you stupid halfwitted bigot",
"mad hypocrital Nazi cretin",
"mad bigotted fuck"
"You really make stupidity into an art-form. Prick."
etc.
Can you imagine rational, intelligent, moral, civilized parents
training or even allowing their children
to use such phrases as those above.
The parents that I know
want their kids to be rational and civilized,
and would punish their kids
if such trash came out of their mouths.
I suggest that the rational, intelligent thing to do
is to be rational and civilized, and
to use systems that are logical, efficient, and effective.
As can be seen,
from the examples of DNA, digital TV, data compression,
audio and video codex's, advanced computer languages, etc.
mankind is migrating away from base, emotionally bound systems
like the Torah and the Bible,
and moving toward rational, efficient, factual, logical systems.
Sam Wormley
>
>
> Better yet, open a physics book.
>
For once you said something useful, Potter. Now let's take that
a couple of step further. 1) Read the textbook and, 2) work the
problem sets.
Undisclosed Recipient
> -----------------------------------------------
Language of this newsgroup: English, Standard. Tom Potter's command
of this language, zero - see the litany of errors with which he has
polluted Usenet. His excuse: "I was speaking binary". Idiot!
Sendme
> and some uncivilized ones even attack such folks using phrases like
> "you galactacally moronic imbecile:,
> "you stupid halfwitted bigot",
> "mad hypocrital Nazi cretin",
> "mad bigotted fuck"
> "You really make stupidity into an art-form. Prick."
> etc.
When one sees these descriptions in a row, one can only think of one
name: Tom Potter. I am really rather proud of their accuracy.
Please note that in these accurate descriptions I do not have to
resort to a caricature-like set of invented generalised negative
characteristics which I attribute to Tom as a consequence of a
presumption I make about his religion and/or ethnicity. There is no
need to: his negative characteristics stem from within his own
frustrations, paranoia and inadequacies and not from an invented
generalisation.
Deliciously hypocritical of Tom is his hollow attempt to occupy the
moral high ground after having referred to other posters as "vile
Jew"and "half-breed", and having suggested that Jews are a cancer that
needs to be removed and/or modified.
May I refer you to his own listing of his characteristics quoted
above. Try not to solvate too much, Tommie. Do consider the option of
using English as the linguistic medium for your reply - it's just a
thought.
Tom Potter
Sammy,
let's take that a couple of steps further and like I
and the people who live in the REAL WORLD do,
and
1. Apply the knowledge gained from text books
and "working the problem sets"
to designing and constructing REAL WORLD systems.
2. Sell the systems in an open and free market
( As opposed to Gurus on the Public Dole
using the power of government
to foist their self-serving, Ponzi scams on the public.)
and let the free market decide if the system is
useful and viable.
As Sammy suggests
phony Gurus and lousy systems
cannot compete in a free and open market,
and they owe any persistence to
con jobs and extended Ponzi Scams.
As Sammy implies,
millions of people waste time, money and minds
gathering useless information
and information that they do not have the
equipment to apply, even if some of the information
could be useful to astute individuals.
I call this "Mental Masturbation".
As can be seen, General Relativity,
a model that uses rubber rulers and clocks
to model time travel, worm holes,
and things beyond man's capacity to ever
experience in time and space,
like the beginning and end of the universe,
and the mind of God,
has been one of the longest running
"Mental Masturbation" Ponzi scams of all times,
surpassed only by the Torah and its' derivatives.
If you want to become a General Relativity Guru
and pretend to possess powerful, esoteric knowledge:
1, Read the text books.
2. Work the "Problem Sets".
3. Get a government job.
Tom Potter
I would like to thank Justin Lewis
for assisting me in my experiment
to determine the level of civility
of various racial and religious groups.
Justin who is Jewish
made the following comments
in response to posts portraying a few
negative facts about Jews.
"you galactacally moronic imbecile:,
"you stupid halfwitted bigot",
"mad hypocrital Nazi cretin",
"mad bigotted fuck"
"You really make stupidity into an art-form. Prick."
Justin Lewis has given us data on how
many Jews react to honest, factual criticism.
I urge other people who are interested in
determining the root causes of uncivil behavior to work with me,
and provide data that shows how Christians, Muslims,
Asians, Blacks, Latinos and other groups
respond to factual criticism of their groups.
Do all groups react to honest, factual criticism
with the same intensity, or are some racial and religious groups
predisposed to uncivilized behavior by Nature or nurture?
What is the most profitable social strategy,
civilized or uncivilized behavior?
Should parents, religions, schools and governments
condition people to bully, lie, yell louder,
and utter the most profane phrases,
or should the masses be conditioned to
value civility, honesty, equality, and equity?
What should I teach my grandchildren?
Sam Wormley
>>
>> For once you said something useful, Potter. Now let's take that
>> a couple of step further. 1) Read the textbook and, 2) work the
>> problem sets.
>
> Sammy,
> let's take that a couple of steps further and like I
> and the people who live in the REAL WORLD do,
>
> and
>
> 1. Apply the knowledge gained from text books
> and "working the problem sets"
> to designing and constructing REAL WORLD systems.
>
> 2. Sell the systems in an open and free market
>
Or better yet use the learned physics to develop technologies
like global satellite navigation system that benefits people
all over the world. Aviation, shipping, asset management, survey,
mining, agriculture, time dissemination, communications networks...
Einstein contributed to relativity and the quantum mechanics, both
essential to our modern global navigation satellite systems (GNSS).
GTR has directly contributed to a $30B+ GPS industry, benefiting
peoples all over the world. Provide the infrastructure freely, and
industry will spring up around it!
Bluster on, Potter, bluster some more! Froth at the mouth! Whatever!
Sam Wormley
>
> I urge other people who are interested in determining the root causes of
That doesn't work, Potter, as you are one of the most bigoted uncivil
individuals I have ever met.
Undisclosed Recipient
> "Sendme" <sendmesomemorespa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> -----------------------------------------------
A pure anti-semitic posting: I have asked for its (no apostrophe
needed) deletion. This is the true nature of Tom Potter. He has no
evidence of my religion - if he has I invite him to show it. Although
he has no grounds upon which to base his assertion, he uses it as a
launching pad for a series of grotesque negative generalisations about
Jews. Attack me based upon my characteristics, not a set of puerile
generalisations.
You suggest that "many" Jews undertake certain activities. What
percentage and how does that percentage compare with those for other
religions? Do half - Jewish people count as Jews fo this experiment?
Do Jews who are not religious and non-practicing count as Jews for
this experiment? Where are the findings of you research to be
published? Wht proof of impartiality have you incorporated into your
work to ensure its validity?
One must read Tom's posting in the light of his frequent quoting of
Hitler, his assertion that Jews are a cancer which should be removed
and that FDR and Winston chose the wrong side in Worl War 2.
What should you teach your grandchildren? Never to come anywhere near
their grandfather who inappropraiately and incorrectly uses a major
characteristic of one of their parents and his own child (mixed race)
as an insult on Usenet.
Tom Potter
> needed) deletion. This is the true nature of Tom Potter. He has no
> evidence of my religion - if he has I invite him to show it.
The following post provides the "evidence" that Justin wants.
========================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german, alt.war.civil.usa
From: Justin Lewis <lewisNoShittyStuffjust...@NOSPAMGEENOMMEhotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:37:24 +0100
Local: Sun, Feb 15 2004 5:37 am
Subject: Re: Why does Justin Lewis hate the German people????
On 14 Feb 2004 11:03:20 -0800, DietmarDre...@aol.com (DFD) wrote:
>"Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote in message
><news:bvuuvr$119ueu$1...@ID-188019.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>> As my pappy used to say:
>> "A stuck pig squeals.?
>snipped for brevity only
>Tom,
>Because, and I have come sadly to this conclusion, Jews simply hate
>Germans, no matter what, and that's followed by Europeans and then
>Christians which of course includes Americans.
>Quick for instance: I have produced a post about revisionism and
>democracy, the Jews aren't even mentioned in there, nor is the flippin
>holocaust mentioned. Guess what, they scream their heads off in there
>about the holocaust even though the subject matter is completely
>different.
>The hilarious part is that I strongly condemned the most intense
>anti-revisionists, namely Hitler and Stalin. Shows of course that they
>didn't bother to read it at all, juts screaming off their hatred.
>Though there were/are decent contributors as well. Here's a link in
>case you are interested.
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&scorin...
Nice:
I know several German Jews.
You may have come to a conclusion but upon what logic do you attempt
to found it?
My Father was Jewish: I have lived, worked and still holiday three
time per year in Germany. Could you please provide some evidence as to
my attitude towards the German people, Europeans, Christians and
Americans.
Justin Lewis
========================
Evidence that Justin Lewis wanted.
Justin did raise a good point when he suggested
that the fact that Jews have come into conflict
with all of their neighbors throughout history,
seems to indicate that most of the folks
who come in close contact with Jews
become "anti-Semitic",
and that the root causes of anti-Semiticism
are not inherent in the neighbors of Jews.
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see, that Sam Wormley,
a guy who is in bed with the three most
bigoted and uncivil posters in sci.physics
( Uncle Al, Dork Moortel, and Eric Gisse.)
a guy whose primary reference is the
personal attack web site of a computer programmer
who took a few data processing class at a third rate California college,
a guy who had his own personal attack web site,
a guy who operates a phony "edu" web site,
a guy who jumps in bed with the bigots in alt.usenet.kooks
to join in attacks on the folks who expose his ignorance,
and a guy who rushes to the defense of Justin Lewis,
a guy who posts stuff like:
"you galactacally moronic imbecile:,
"you stupid halfwitted bigot",
"mad hypocrital Nazi cretin",
"mad bigotted fuck"
"You really make stupidity into an art-form. Prick."
calls me, uncivil and bigoted for exposing
the bigots and uncivil posters
by simply echoing their posts back to them.
Apparently, in Sammy's book,
it is okay to call folks nasty names.
and attack messengers,
rather than address messages
in a rational, intelligent, moral way.
Tom Potter
No doubt Einstein contributed to relativity and to quantum mechanics,
but considering that with the help of a supportive Mass Media,
he fought the "quantum" crowd tooth and nail for many years
and retarded the advancement of quantum physics,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox
and considering that he and the Mass Media conned
the masses into discarding Planck's true quantum (Planck's Constant),
and replacing it with Einstein's energy quanta,
( There is no quantum of energy.)
and considering that General Relativity is
a Tower of Babel that uses rubber rulers and clocks
to speculate about time travel and worm holes,
and things beyond man's capacity to ever experience
such as the beginning and end of the universe,
and the mind of God,
it may be that Einstein's contributions to society and physics
was less than zero.
The following web site describes Einstein's
greatest invention in detail.
As can be seen, Einstein's support of Communism,
and his inventions such as his refrigerator
and the one described below,
indicates how his works compare to the works
of Newton, Maxwell, Watt, Edison, Crick, Watson, etc.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=zRpsAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=albert+einstein#PPA1,M1
PD
> "Sam Wormley" <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
>
> news:PSbCm.95456$la3.77569@attbi_s22...
>
>
>
> > Pubblic Dole Tom Potter wrote:
>
The EPR paper in NO WAY retarded the advancement of quantum physics.
It was an insightful suggestion for a test, which later inspired Jon
Bell to turn the qualitative argument into a quantitative test, which
was then followed by exciting experimental work by Aspect et al.,
which was one of the lynchpins that showed that nature really does
behave quantum mechanically. Einstein HELPED this process by pointing
out one of the lynchpins whereby quantum mechanics could be tested,
even though he strongly thought the results would go the other way.
Credit is due to the person that asks the key question to be answered,
even if the person is mistaken about what the answer will be.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox
>
> and considering that he and the Mass Media conned
> the masses into discarding Planck's true quantum (Planck's Constant),
> and replacing it with Einstein's energy quanta,
> ( There is no quantum of energy.)
Planck, you'll recall, wrote that energy is quantized...
>
> and considering that General Relativity is
> a Tower of Babel that uses rubber rulers and clocks
> to speculate about time travel and worm holes,
> and things beyond man's capacity to ever experience
What makes you confuse "ever" with "within the next couple years"?
Short attention span?
> such as the beginning and end of the universe,
> and the mind of God,
>
> it may be that Einstein's contributions to society and physics
> was less than zero.
>
> The following web site describes Einstein's
> greatest invention in detail.
>
> As can be seen, Einstein's support of Communism,
> and his inventions such as his refrigerator
> and the one described below,
> indicates how his works compare to the works
> of Newton, Maxwell, Watt, Edison, Crick, Watson, etc.
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=zRpsAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=...
the Universe
Formulas are approximations to physical phenomena.
They don't drive the Universe.
Undisclosed Recipient
>
> My Father was Jewish: I have lived, worked and still holiday three
> time per year in Germany. Could you please provide some evidence as to
> my attitude towards the German people, Europeans, Christians and
> Americans.
>
> Justin Lewis
> ========================
> Evidence that Justin Lewis wanted.
A fundamental flaw in logic: there is no information here about MY
religion nor any evidence of my attitude towards the people named. Nor
do I see any percentages regarding your "experiment" into Jewish
characteristics, and incidentally, of the impartiality you need in
order to validate this "research/experiment". As ever, you are wrong.
Richard Herring
<5b9103a5-a72e-4aa5...@d34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Undisclosed Recipient <undiscloseds...@googlemail.com> writes
I'm still waiting for Potter to provide any evidence to substantiate his
remarkable claim in <news:g8mksf$ovr$1...@aioe.org> that _my_ ancestors
"sold used clothes and operated junk yards and ate carp with eggs,
onions, flour, and matzoh meal before they got into the instigation of
conflict and war business".
--
Richard Herring
Undisclosed Recipient
> In message
> <5b9103a5-a72e-4aa5-ab27-e0f79ad3e...@d34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> Undisclosed Recipient <undisclosedspamrecipi...@googlemail.com> writes
I have just read that posting, Richard. I cannot quite understand what
he is attempting to say. Does he suggest that this is the case for all
people to whom he refers as "Jews"? If not, what percentage satisfies
his incorrect stereotype? How does that relate to other groupings? Is
he suggesting that you or I also enjoyed this repast before profiting
from conflict and the war business? In what way have you or I seen
this profit? Tom never allows logic to eclipse his hateful paranoia.
Richard Herring
<f54c6d51-641b-4405...@z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Undisclosed Recipient <undiscloseds...@googlemail.com> writes
>On 21 okt, 13:33, Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>> In message
>> <5b9103a5-a72e-4aa5-ab27-e0f79ad3e...@d34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Undisclosed Recipient <undisclosedspamrecipi...@googlemail.com> writes
>>
>>
>>
>> >> My Father was Jewish: I have lived, worked and still holiday three
>> >> time per year in Germany. Could you please provide some evidence as to
>> >> my attitude towards the German people, Europeans, Christians and
>> >> Americans.
>>
>> >> Justin Lewis
>> >> ========================
>> >> Evidence that Justin Lewis wanted.
>> >A fundamental flaw in logic: there is no information here about MY
>> >religion nor any evidence of my attitude towards the people named. Nor
>> >do I see any percentages regarding your "experiment" into Jewish
>> >characteristics, and incidentally, of the impartiality you �need in
>> >order to validate this "research/experiment". As ever, you are wrong.
>>
>> I'm still waiting for Potter to provide any evidence to substantiate his
>> remarkable claim in <news:g8mksf$ovr$1...@aioe.org> that _my_ ancestors
>> "sold used clothes and operated junk yards and ate carp with eggs,
>> onions, flour, and matzoh meal before they got into the instigation of
>> conflict and war business".
>>
>
>he is attempting to say. Does he suggest that this is the case for all
>people to whom he refers as "Jews"?
And indeed, what are his criteria for that? I don't believe I have ever
made any posts from which he could deduce _anything_ about my ancestry.
>If not, what percentage satisfies
>his incorrect stereotype? How does that relate to other groupings? Is
>he suggesting that you or I also enjoyed this repast before profiting
>from conflict and the war business? In what way have you or I seen
>this profit? Tom never allows logic to eclipse his hateful paranoia.
--
Richard Herring
Tom Potter
I am pleased to see that my pal Justin Lewis
wants to know more about the history of Jews
and how it shaped the personalities of Jews today.
The history of Jews begins
when Abraham left Mesopania with his child bride, Sarah.
* Genesis 12-1
and migrated to Palestine,
where he tried his hand at raising goats.
As he was unsuccessful at this,
he migrated to Egypt,
* Genesis 12-10
where he made a lot of money
pimping his beautiful, child bride to Egyptians.
* Genesis 12-15 and 12-16
As it turned out,
Sarah gave some of the Egyptians V.D.
and she and Abraham were kicked out of Egypt.
* Genesis 12-17
Note:
It is interesting to see that
syphilis may have originated from alpacas,
AIDS may have originated from monkeys, and
gonorrhea may have originated from goats.
The Jewish custom of circumcising came about
because Abraham was so distraught about
losing the profitable pimping business he had in Egypt,
that he mutilated his penis, the penis of his 13 year old son,
and the penis' of the slaves he had bought
with the pimping money he made in Egypt.
* Genesis 17-23
Jews eventually wormed their way back into Egypt
when Joseph was sold by his brothers to an Egyptian.
* Genesis 37-27
Joseph, like Jewish economists today,
was a master bullshitter,
and he made a lot of money,and gained a lot of power in Egypt
by prognosticating about the economy by using
the old dream interpretation scam.
Joseph's family in Palestine
could not make a living goat farming,
and like Abraham,
some of his brothers came to Egypt
to beg for food.
Joseph foregave them as he had made it big in Egypt,
and told them to bring his father and the rest of his family to Egypt,
as he had a good racket going.
As they have throughout history,
Jews eventually came into conflict with their neighbors,
and they were soon kicked out of Egypt again.
Contrary to the Jewish legend about leaving Egypt on their own,
Roman historians tell us that Moses and his gang
were kicked out of Egypt for again spreading V.D.
Note, that is their custom when leaving a host nation,
the Jews stole as many of the assets of the neighbors
as they could carry.
* Exodus 3-22
It is interesting to see that the Jewish custom
of migrating en masse from a host nation
with all they can get away with
seems to have originated here.
After wandering around aimlessly in a waterless desert for years
eating night crawlers (earthworms) (Manna).
* Exodus 16-15
thry eventually made it to Palestine whered
they raped and pillaged,
and grabbed the lands of the previous owners,
much like Jews are doing in Palestine today.
* Numbers 31-9
It is interesting to see that the virgins that
Moses had his gang rape in Palestine were Midians,
the very people that sheltered Moses
when he ran away from Egypt
to avoid being punished for murder.
It is also interesting to see that when the Jews
were migrating en masse from Germany
and from America's Inner Cities,
that they trashed and burned much of their property,
( Google "night of the broken glass".)
blamed it on Germans and Blacks,
and made enormous insurance claims,
but unlike Americans who fell for the
burn, collect insurance, and run scam,
the German people were too smart for them,
and forced them to use the insurance money
to repair the damage.
When I get time,
I will tell my pal Justin Lewis
more of the TRUE story of the Jews
who have conned many folks into believing
that they are virtuous victims,
who have been "victimized" by all of
their neighbors throughout history.
Tom Potter
"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:hTQgptKf...@baesystems.com...
It appears that Richard Herring
is still all bent out of shape,
because I posted the following excerpt
from the Magna Carta
10. If anyone who has borrowed a sum of money from Jews dies before the debt
has been repaid, his heir shall pay no interest on the debt for so long as
he remains under age, irrespective of whom he holds his lands. If such a
debt falls into the hands of the Crown, it will take nothing except the
principal sum specified in the bond.
11. If a man dies owing money to Jews, his wife may have her dower and pay
nothing towards the debt from it. If he leaves children that are under age,
their needs may also be provided for on a scale appropriate to the size of
his holding of lands. The debt is to be paid out of the residue, reserving
the service due to his feudal lords. Debts owed to persons other than Jews
are to be dealt with similarly.
and asked why this important document
prohibited Jews from taking advantages of
widows and orphans.
It is interesting to see that David M. Rubenstein who founded Carlyle
Capital bought the last private copy of the Magna Carta,
and that "In March 2008, Carlyle Capital Corporation
defaulted on about US$ 16.6 billion of debt
as the global credit crunch brought about by the subprime mortgage crisis
worsened for leveraged investors."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
It may be that the Magna Carta, and the things it stands for
( Freedom, honesty, fairplay, equality etc.)
will go the way of the dinosaur,
as Jews work overtime
to brainwash ignorant people that they are virtuous victims,
to rewrite history to make Jews appear honest and intelligent,
to bribe nations leaders like the Bushes,
and demonize the folks like Hoover, Nixon, McCarthy, Truman,
and the others who got America to do a 180
after FDR died, and prevent the gang that had
assassinated the Russian Royal Family
from co-opting the American government,
as they had the Russian government,
which they were using as a base from where to
instigate Class Wars all over the world,
NOT to help the masses,
but to steal the liberty and assets of the masses.
Tom Potter
As my pappy used to say:
"If it looks like a duck,
quacks like a duck,
and hangs out with ducks,
the odds are that it is a duck."
As can be seen:
1. Justin Lewis hates the German people,
2. Uses the standard Jewish tactic of
attacking folks who express negative FACTS about Jews.
3. Gets all bent out of shape when anyone suggests that
he is not a 100% Jew.
4. Is paranoiac.
5. Tries to project that he is an intelligent, virtuous victim.
6. Demonizes the American patriots
( Hoover, Truman, Nixon, McCarthy, etc.)
who prevented the Jews for succeeding in the
Class Wars they were instigating
after they massacred the Russian Royal Family,
co-opted the Russian government,
and were using Russia as a base from
where to instigate Class Wars all over the world,
much as they are instigating Religious Wars today.
It looks to me that if Justin Lewis is not a Jews,
he certainly picked up a lot of Jewish habits from his father.
Tom Potter
"the Universe" <moby...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:0d2154f8-3974-47ad...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>On Oct 11, 5:15 am, "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
>Formulas are approximations to physical phenomena.
>
>They don't drive the Universe.
I'm sorry if I mislead anyone "universe".
I don't want to get you all upset,
and have you change the Universe
just when I get it all figured out.
Am I right about you
having your forces and active elements
work to reduce everything to spheres?
Whatever you do,
DON'T have your forces and active elements
work to reduce everything to pyramids.
Tom Potter
"PD" <thedrap...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:924e49c1-00c6-4261...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
>> and the mind of God,
>
>What makes you confuse "ever" with "within the next couple years"?
>Short attention span?
I am surprised to see that my pal Paul Draper
thinks that man will experience
"the beginning and end of the universe,
and the mind of God"
within a year or two.
Now I know that some cults
claim they know when man will experience
the end of the universe,
but as far as I know,
Paul is the only person who claims to know
when man will experience
"the beginning of the universe,
and the mind of God".
PD
> "PD" <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You do not seem to be able to comprehend what I wrote.
Let me speak in shorter words and declarative sentences.
It may take several decades for the work of fundamental research to
play out in everyday applications.
Several decades is quite a bit shorter than "beyond man's capability
to ever understand".
It is also quite a bit longer than a couple years, which seems to be
your desired metric.
But feel free to blather some more.
>
> Now I know that some cults
> claim they know when man will experience
> the end of the universe,
>
> but as far as I know,
> Paul is the only person who claims to know
> when man will experience
> "the beginning of the universe,
> and the mind of God".
>
> --
Sam Wormley
>
>
> I'm sorry if I mislead anyone "universe".
Was this supposed to be a comprehensible sentence, Potter?
>
> I don't want to get you all upset, and have you change the Universe just
> when I get it all figured out.
>
> Am I right about you having your forces and active elements work to
> reduce everything to spheres?
Most molecules do not have the shape spheres.
Many solid bodies are too small to have spherical shapes resulting
from gravitational force.
>
> Whatever you do, DON'T have your forces and active elements work to
> reduce everything to pyramids.
>
Consider a spherical cow, Potter.
Sendme
> "Undisclosed Recipient" <undisclosedspamrecipi...@googlemail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:5b9103a5-a72e-4aa5...@d34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> -----------------------------------------------
You are a disgusting, feeble man Potter. Kristallnacht was violence
perpetrated by Nazis against Jews. The rest of your posting is so anti-
semitic and cheap that I have once agin asked for its removal.
Take me on with facts and not a bunch of cheap, inaccurate
stereotypes. Note that I have the decency to adress you and not your
family or antecedents. You have now revealed how cheap and vile you
are.
Undisclosed Recipient
> "Undisclosed Recipient" <undisclosedspamrecipi...@googlemail.com> wrote in
> -----------------------------------------------
Ok Tom: you have already been exposed as a being untruthful twice in
this thread - about Richard Herring and about my good self. If we use
a dictionary definition of lying, "knowingly speaking/writing an
untruth" we could be generous in considering so monstrously stupid
that you did not know that you were incorrect. However, I consider you
very intelligent and capable of understanding that you had no evidence
upon which to base your incorrect and unsubstantiated statements - a
liar as defined by the Collins Dictionary.
Which interpretation do you prefer, TP? A liar or a moron?
Let us test your assetion that you deal in facts by running through
the claim you make about me in point number 1 above. I would deal with
claims 2 to 6 as well but you do not make clear about whom you are
writing having only named someone (me) in claim 1.
I can categorically say that you will not be able to produce any
evidence to support your statement - the hatred to which you refer
does not exist. There are simply no actions or statements by me that
could even lead any reasonable person to suspect that this hatred
exists.
Come on, Tom - bring it on. We want facts about me, not
generalisations about a group.
You have been lying again Tom. Why should anyone believe anything you
write? Judging by the responses, they don't!!!
Richard Herring
<tdp...@yahoo.com> writes
>
>"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
>news:hTQgptKf...@baesystems.com...
>> In message
>> <5b9103a5-a72e-4aa5...@d34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Undisclosed Recipient <undiscloseds...@googlemail.com> writes
>>>>
>>>> My Father was Jewish: I have lived, worked and still holiday three
>>>> time per year in Germany. Could you please provide some evidence as to
>>>> my attitude towards the German people, Europeans, Christians and
>>>> Americans.
>>>>
>>>> Justin Lewis
>>>> ========================
>>>> Evidence that Justin Lewis wanted.
>>>
>>>A fundamental flaw in logic: there is no information here about MY
>>>religion nor any evidence of my attitude towards the people named. Nor
>>>do I see any percentages regarding your "experiment" into Jewish
>>>characteristics, and incidentally, of the impartiality you need in
>>>order to validate this "research/experiment". As ever, you are wrong.
>>>
>> I'm still waiting for Potter to provide any evidence to substantiate his
>> remarkable claim in <news:g8mksf$ovr$1...@aioe.org> that _my_ ancestors "sold
>> used clothes and operated junk yards and ate carp with eggs, onions,
>> flour, and matzoh meal before they got into the instigation of conflict
>> and war business".
And as usual he makes no attempt to provide that evidence.
>It appears that Richard Herring
>is still all bent out of shape,
Standard Potter response when he can't justify his bluster.
Note that Potter thinks _everyone_ except himself is "bent out of
shape".
>because I posted the following excerpt
>from the Magna Carta
... and he still has no clue about the purpose of Magna Carta, or the
faintest idea about anything else in 13th-century English history.
--
Richard Herring
Tom Potter
"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
It appears that Richard Herring does not want readers to read
and discuss the excerpt from the Magna Carta that I posted,
nor does he want to address the issues raised by the
folks who wrote the Magna Carta.
As can be seen, articles 10 and 11 of the Magna Carta
prohibits Jews from taking advantage of widows and orphans.
Considering that Richard Herring claims to be an authority
on the Magna Carta and 13th-century English history,
I trust that he will enter into a discussion of
about why the writers of the Magna Carta
prohibited Jews from taking advantage of widows and orphans.
This could be a very important issue to discuss.
Considering that Jews have come into conflict
with all of their neighbors through history,
and were singled out with the Kings and Lords
that were taking advantage of folks,
it may be that there is a serious flaw in the Jewish
culture that makes them a negative force in society.
and perhaps this can be identified and corrected.
Excerpt from the Magna Carta.
"10. If anyone who has borrowed a sum of money from Jews dies before the
debt
has been repaid, his heir shall pay no interest on the debt for so long as
he remains under age, irrespective of whom he holds his lands. If such a
debt falls into the hands of the Crown, it will take nothing except the
principal sum specified in the bond.
11. If a man dies owing money to Jews, his wife may have her dower and pay
nothing towards the debt from it. If he leaves children that are under age,
their needs may also be provided for on a scale appropriate to the size of
his holding of lands. The debt is to be paid out of the residue, reserving
the service due to his feudal lords. Debts owed to persons other than Jews
are to be dealt with similarly."
--
Tom Potter
I wonder why Justin Lewis
works so hard to obscure the historical facts that I post,
and tries to make me the object????
The masses are not interested in me nor Justin Lewis.
They are interested in truth, honesty, civility, equity,
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,
and making the world a better place for their kids.
Tom Potter
> Tom Potter wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> I'm sorry if I mislead anyone "universe".
>
> Was this supposed to be a comprehensible sentence, Potter?
>
>> I don't want to get you all upset, and have you change the Universe just
>> when I get it all figured out.
>>
>> Am I right about you having your forces and active elements work to
>> reduce everything to spheres?
>
> Most molecules do not have the shape spheres.
>
> Many solid bodies are too small to have spherical shapes resulting
> from gravitational force.
>
>> Whatever you do, DON'T have your forces and active elements work to
>
I never saw a spherical cow,
but I'd rather see one,
than be one.
If you read, and understood, my post, Sammy,
you would have understood that
I pointed out that local angular momentum
works on local polar matter to break it up,
and that at the global level
Nature works to form polar matter
into homogeneous, spherical matter.
In other words,
if everything in a region is homogeneous and spherical,
and doesn't collide,
nothing happens.
Tom Potter
"Sendme" <sendmesome...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:b885ee60-74cc-487f...@o36g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>perpetrated by Nazis against Jews. The rest of your posting is so anti-
>semitic and cheap that I have once agin asked for its removal.
>Take me on with facts and not a bunch of cheap, inaccurate
>stereotypes. Note that I have the decency to adress you and not your
>family or antecedents. You have now revealed how cheap and vile you
>are.
It is sad to see that Justin Lewis,
like all emotional bigots and con men,
who want to promote a selfish agenda,
uses the standard boilerplate tactics and words
of trying to equate specific events and people
to ideas that favor their selfish agenda.
I prefer to look at the real historical facts and human nature,
rather than reconstructed history with a racist spin.
Note for example, that Justin Lewis
tries to portray the German people,
who are probably the most intelligent, most productive,
most moral folks on the planet
as an evil, brutal, mob
and Jews as poor, honest, intelligent, virtuous victims.
In 1938, Jews were making plans to migrate from Germany,
and as they do when he migrate en masse away
from the neighbors they come into conflict with,
they wanted to get away with as much hard cash as possible.
No doubt a few Germans trashed Jewish Property,
but the same thing happened
in Germany that happened in America,
when Jews were leaving America's Inner Cities
and migrating to the suburbs.
Many Jews burned and trashed their own property
so they could collect inflated insurance settlements,
and they blamed the trashing on Blacks,
just as they blame the trashing in Germany on the Germans.
Considering that most of the property was owned by Germans,
and rented to Jews, the government forced the Jews to use the insurance
money to repair the property.
I saw first hand what happen to Inner City properties
when Whites were abandononing the Inner Cities,
after the Urban riots instigated mostly by Jews
and the Mass Media.
It is interesting to see that the Mass Media
has done a 180 since the 1970's,
and now they are portraying Blacks
as the bad guys, and whites as the abused.
Tom Potter
Paul Draper does not seem to be able to comprehend what I wrote.
I wrote:
"General Relativity is
a Tower of Babel that uses rubber rulers and clocks
to speculate about time travel and worm holes,
and things beyond man's capacity to ever experience
such as the beginning and end of the universe,
and the mind of God.."
and Paul Draper wrote:
"What makes you confuse "ever" with "within the next couple years"?
Short attention span?"
Unlike Paul Draper,
I think that man will never experience
"the beginning and end of the universe
and the mind of God.?
PD
Well, let's set aside the mind of God for a moment.
I don't know that it's necessary for man to *experience* the beginning
and end of the universe for him to get a better understanding of what
happened or will happen at those events. Why do you think those
subjects should be left alone and not investigated?
As for time travel and wormholes, do you think that getting some
practical implications out of them after several decades is different
than not "ever"? Or is several decades equivalent to not "ever" to
you?
Undisclosed Recipient
Lie 1
> >> As can be seen:
> >> 1. Justin Lewis hates the German people,
If he can show an action or statement of mine which evinces this
haterd I invite him to publish it here. So far he has not
substantiated this claim (nor will he be able to) and it must be
considered as a lie.
Lie 2
> Note for example, that Justin Lewis
> tries to portray the German people,
> who are probably the most intelligent, most productive,
> most moral folks on the planet
> as an evil, brutal, mob
> and Jews as poor, honest, intelligent, virtuous victims.
>
Show us, Tom, where I have done this.
You may be more succesful if you restrict yourself to replying
directly to the issues raised by your good self: we will take for
granted that I am employing boilerplate techniques, that here is a
Jewish conspiracy and the rest of your repeat postings. Just the
evidence for your two claims about me.
Sam Wormley
>
>
> I never saw a spherical cow,
> but I'd rather see one,
> than be one.
>
> If you read, and understood, my post, Sammy,
> you would have understood that
> I pointed out that local angular momentum
> works on local polar matter to break it up,
> and that at the global level
> Nature works to form polar matter
> into homogeneous, spherical matter.
ILLUCID
>
> In other words,
> if everything in a region is homogeneous and spherical,
> and doesn't collide,
> nothing happens.
>
Learn to communicate, Potter. It's a two-way process.
Richard Herring
<xpriv...@mailinator.com> writes
[...]
>Considering that Richard Herring claims to be an authority
>on the Magna Carta and 13th-century English history,
Another lie from Potter. I have made no such claim.
>I trust that he will enter into a discussion
Potter doesn't "discuss", he only pontificates and blusters, so that's
sheer hypocrisy.
>of
>about why the writers of the Magna Carta
>prohibited Jews
... and indeed everyone else ("Debts owed to persons other than Jews
are to be dealt with similarly.") ...
>from taking advantage of widows and orphans.
Because they were as antisemitic as Potter is?
Or because the Jews in 13th-century England were agents of the king
whose powers Magna Carta was intended to limit?
http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/themes/debt.html
Either way, there's nothing in Magna Carta to support Potter's
fantasies: it's a document of its time, which was created as a practical
tool of power politics, not some kind of statement of Universal Truth.
Potter is also probably not aware that those two clauses he's so excited
about were only in the first draft, which was in force for less than a
year.
--
Richard Herring
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see that Justin Lewis:
1. Calls me a liar and a bigot for posting
quotes for reliable historical sources.
2. Demands proof of the excerpts from
sources like the Torah and the Magna Carta that I quote.I post.
3. Deletes or ignores the facts I post,
and persists in calling me a liar and a bigot,
obviously with the expectation that some people will
believe him, without investigation.
As can be seen the following post demonstrates
that Justin Lewis:
1. Is a bigot, who tries to censor information that
he does not want the public exposed to.
( The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person
who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.")
2. That Justin Lewis:, like bigots always do,
attacks the messenger, rather than address the message
in a rational, intelligent, moral, civilized way.
3. Calls me anti-Semitic for pointing out
that Jews have come into conflict with
all of their neighbors throughout history,
and according to him al folks who come into
conflict with Jews are in the wrong.
4. Lays all of the blame for the "Night of the broken glass"
on the German people, who are probably the most intelligent,
most productive, most moral folks on the planet.,
and he does not consider that as the Jews were again
migrating en masses to a new host nation,
after coming into conflict with the German people,
and that Jews expected to make a big insurance killing
and run away with the insurance payment
and leave Germany with the mess to clean up,
just as the Jews did
during America's Urban Rebellion in the 1960's
that was instigated mostly by Jews,
who torched their inner city properties,
blamed the torching on Blacks,
and took the insurance money
and ran to the suburbs.
An excerpt from a Justin Lewis post
blaming the German people
for the "Night of the broken glass".
No doubt, Justin will try to hedge by
singling out the Nazi, which happened to be the political party
that propelled Germany out of the Great Depression
in two years and was supported by the vast majority of
the German people, and he will ignore the fact that when the Jews
were instigating the Class Wars of the 1900's,
they killed millions of people, including scores of Germans,
and as can be seen by reading the original historical data,
the Nazi Party had to establish a private police force
to prevent Jews from breaking up their meetings
and assaulting their members.
Note that Justin, like all Jews,
portrays Jews as "virtuous victims"
and non-Jews as violent, ignorant, evil victimizers.
"You are a disgusting, feeble man Potter. Kristallnacht was violence
perpetrated by Nazis against Jews. The rest of your posting is so anti-
semitic and cheap that I have once agin asked for its removal.
Take me on with facts and not a bunch of cheap, inaccurate
stereotypes. Note that I have the decency to adress you and not your
family or antecedents. You have now revealed how cheap and vile you are."
To understand what people like Justin Lewis consider "decent"
note that Justin Lewis asserts that he
had the "decency" to address me as
"a disgusting, feeble", "cheap", "vile" "bigot"
and demand that Usenet remove my post.
Can you imagine what the world would be like
if everyone had the "decency" of Justin Lewis???
If one group had Jason's "decency" they would
take advantage of all other groups.
If all groups had Jason's "decency"
Earth would be Hell.
The bottom line is,
should all groups be "decent"?
Or should one group be allowed to be "decent".
Or should laws by made to prevent all
individuals, groups, Mass media, etc,
from being "decent"
Tom Potter
Work on your reading comprehension Sammy,
and condition yourself to think
outside of the conventional wisdom box,
so that you will be able to comprehend
not only the words
but also messages.
I am pleased to see
that you understand that communications is a two-way process
and that it is difficult to convey sophisticated concepts
to people who's minds are locked into tiny boxes.
Tom Potter
As I have posted before,
I think that a tool or any asset
should justify itsself
on the basis of discounted rate of return.
And if the universe has a beginning and an end,
the change from something to nothing
is no doubt abrupt,
and wasting time, money, and minds to gain
"a better understanding of what
happened or will happen at those events."
is like wasting time, money, and minds speculating about
where did God come from,
what was here before God,
how did God make the transition from nothing to God,
what will be here after God is gone,
etc.
PD
> "PD" <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> >> "What makes you confuse "ever" with "within the next couple years"?
> >> Short attention span?"
>
> >> Unlike Paul Draper,
> >> I think that man will never experience
> >> "the beginning and end of the universe
> >> and the mind of God.?
>
> >Well, let's set aside the mind of God for a moment.
>
> >I don't know that it's necessary for man to *experience* the beginning
> >and end of the universe for him to get a better understanding of what
> >happened or will happen at those events. Why do you think those
> >subjects should be left alone and not investigated?
>
> >As for time travel and wormholes, do you think that getting some
> >practical implications out of them after several decades is different
> >than not "ever"? Or is several decades equivalent to not "ever" to
> >you?
>
> As I have posted before,
> I think that a tool or any asset
> should justify itsself
> on the basis of discounted rate of return.
Yes, I know. You've advertised your econopolitical views amply.
This of course would rule out art museums, theater, music, gardens,
architecture, philosophy and history and English departments at all
institutions of higher learning, novels, poetry, exploration for the
sake of exploration, as well as all fundamental research aimed at
understanding rather than application. Because none of these yield
justification on the basis of discounted rate of return.
>
> And if the universe has a beginning and an end,
> the change from something to nothing
> is no doubt abrupt,
>
> and wasting time, money, and minds to gain
> "a better understanding of what
> happened or will happen at those events."
Why is that a waste of time, money, and minds to understand that?
Likewise, is it a waste of time to understand how our species arose?
After all, it's already happened. Is it a waste of time to understand
how life began on the planet? After all, it's already happened. Is it
a waste of time to understand how the solar system came to be? After
all, it's already happened.
>
> is like wasting time, money, and minds speculating about
> where did God come from,
> what was here before God,
> how did God make the transition from nothing to God,
> what will be here after God is gone,
I don't know of a single scientific theory, let alone relativity, that
speculates where God came from, what was here before God, how did God
make the transition from nothing to God, and what will be here after
God is gone.
It's a cold, cold world you advocate, Tom. All practicality and not a
lick of humanity.
PD
Undisclosed Recipient
> "Undisclosed Recipient" <undisclosedspamrecipi...@googlemail.com> wrote in
>
>
>
> > Tom wrote:
> > Lie 1
> >> >> As can be seen:
> >> >> 1. Justin Lewis hates the German people,
>
> > If he can show an action or statement of mine which evinces this
> > haterd I invite him to publish it here. So far he has not
> > substantiated this claim (nor will he be able to) and it must be
> > considered as a lie.
>
> > Lie 2
> >> Note for example, that Justin Lewis
> >> tries to portray the German people,
> >> who are probably the most intelligent, most productive,
> >> most moral folks on the planet
> >> as an evil, brutal, mob
> >> and Jews as poor, honest, intelligent, virtuous victims.
>
> > Show us, Tom, where I have done this.
>
> > You may be more succesful if you restrict yourself to replying
> > directly to the issues raised by your good self: we will take for
> > granted that I am employing boilerplate techniques, that here is a
> > Jewish conspiracy and the rest of your repeat postings. Just the
> > evidence for your two claims about me.
>
> It is interesting to see that Justin Lewis:
>
> 1. Calls me a liar and a bigot for posting
> quotes for reliable historical sources.
No Tom, you are a liar for asserting that I hate the German people
without being able to support that statment in any credible way.
Yes I still call you a liar but not for the reason you cite: in fact
your citation is yet another of your multiple lies.
I call you a liar for having written that I tried to portray the
German people as an evil, brutal mob. I asked you to support your
statement. This you failed to do - it would not be possible. There is
only one possible conclusion - you are lying again.
The rest of your posting is a transparent attempt to divert attention
from your inability to support your "facts" (your lies).
> 2. Demands proof of the excerpts from
> sources like the Torah and the Magna Carta that I quote.I post.
I never asked for this proof: you are lying again.
>
> 3. Deletes or ignores the facts I post,
> and persists in calling me a liar and a bigot,
> obviously with the expectation that some people will
> believe him, without investigation.
How can I delete your postings ? You are lying again. Google may
delete your posting after a complaint which has to be judged as
founded.
> As can be seen the following post demonstrates
> that Justin Lewis:
>
> 1. Is a bigot, who tries to censor information that
> he does not want the public exposed to.
> ( The definition of "bigot" is:
> "A prejudiced person
> who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.")
You would refer to your calling another poster a "vile Jew" or as
having inherited a set of unfavourable Jewish charachteristics as
information? Most would refer to this as abuse.
> 2. That Justin Lewis:, like bigots always do,
> attacks the messenger, rather than address the message
> in a rational, intelligent, moral, civilized way.
>
> 3. Calls me anti-Semitic for pointing out
> that Jews have come into conflict with
> all of their neighbors throughout history,
Yes this is anti-semitic and inaccurate.
> and according to him al folks who come into
> conflict with Jews are in the wrong.
This part I have never said - another lie!
> 4. Lays all of the blame for the "Night of the broken glass"
> on the German people, who are probably the most intelligent,
> most productive, most moral folks on the planet.,
A lie: show me where I did this.
If this is your evidence for me blaming all Germans (the German
people, as you put it) for Kristallnacht you are demonisiing all
Germans. I used the word Nazi - why do you suggest that the term
applies all German people?
There is no credible historical evidence for Kristallnacht having been
anything other than that whichi I have already described. Another
Potter lie.
> To understand what people like Justin Lewis consider "decent"
> note that Justin Lewis asserts that he
> had the "decency" to address me as
> "a disgusting, feeble", "cheap", "vile" "bigot"
> and demand that Usenet remove my post.
I stand by those descriptions: I have not had to resort to
generalisations about your ethnicity or religion nor have I had to
refer to your parents. No need, you are an idiot in your own right -
well done.
> Can you imagine what the world would be like
> if everyone had the "decency" of Justin Lewis???
>
> If one group had Jason's "decency" they would
> take advantage of all other groups.
>
> If all groups had Jason's "decency"
> Earth would be Hell.
>
> The bottom line is,
> should all groups be "decent"?
>
> Or should one group be allowed to be "decent".
>
> Or should laws by made to prevent all
> individuals, groups, Mass media, etc,
> from being "decent"
>
> --
Sam Wormley
I am particularly reminded of your communication with the horses
ass, Potter.
Sam Wormley
Potter, do you realize how much of a disgusting scourge you are in
a physics newsgroup. You never learn any physics... You just attack
the other posters.
Sad, Potter, Sad.
Sendme
Sam, that is an outrageous and scandalous posting! If you had read
Tom's insane postings more assidiously, you would realise that he only
deals in facts. He said so and there is no reason to disbelieve him -
he has a very good track record of accuracy. Go and stand in the
corner, you naughty Sam!
He also wrote that "my pappy used to say that if it looks like a duck,
it probably is a duck"'. Not a particularly factual approach, you may
think!
Would the person who is unfortunate enough to have been referred to as
Tom's pappy also have said ïf it posts like a Nazi, it probably is a
Nazi"?
Billie Gates
Well Tom,
one cannot do anything other than conclude that your inability to
satisfactorally reply to the poster with adequate support for you
assertions is your acquiescence.
Now that you know and openly admit you have been lying, may I humbly
suggest that you seek some sort of psychological/psychiatric help for
this compulsive and uncontrollable behaviour?
Billie
Tom Potter
Considering that Sam Wormley correctly observed
""communications is a two-way process"".
and refered to my Pappy's comment that:
""One gets better information from the horse's mouth,
than one does from a horse's ass.",
I will explain what Sammy meant.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/336400.html
""In horse racing circles tips on which horse is a likely winner circulate
amongst punters. The most trusted authorities are considered to be those in
closest touch with the recent form of the horse, i.e. stable lads, trainers
etc. The notional 'from the horse's mouth' is supposed to indicate one step
better than even that inner circle, i.e. the horse itself.""
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=horse%27s+ass
horse's ass
""a stupid or obnoxious person""
As Sammy pointed out,
I make an effort to communicate with
""stupid and obnoxious people" (Horse's asses")
and call attention to the fact
that they are attacking messengers
rather than addressing messages
in a rational, intelligent, moral way.
Tom Potter
As my Pappy used to say:
"He who lays down with dogs,
gets up with fleas."
Note that rather than address the issues
I raise and reposnd to in my posts,
Sammy takes cheap shots, bushwhacks,
and rushes to the aid of Justin Lewis,
who uses the same tactics as Sammy.
Some recent examples of Justin Lewis'
trash includes:
"You are a disgusting, feeble man Potter."
"you galactacally moronic imbecile:,
"you stupid halfwitted bigot",
"mad hypocrital Nazi cretin",
"mad bigotted fuck"
"You really make stupidity into an art-form. Prick.""
Sammy, do you think that Justin Lewis
is a ""disgusting scourge"" who just attacks other poster",
or do you admire �nd support him
because he emulates your style of attacking messengers?
Tom Potter
"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
I am sadden to see that my post of excerpts
from the Magna Carta
prohibiting Jews from taking advantage
of widows and orphans
bent Richard Herring all out of shape,
and compelled him
to delete the excerpts,
and attack the messenger.
and call the posting of historical data ""Potter's fantasies"".
Richard Herring did raise a good point when
he observed that all of the neighbors of Jews
throughout history became anti-Semitic.
I suggest that a scientific study should be made
to determine if the root causes of anti-Semiticism
has its' roots in Judaism, or in the possibility
that all non-Jews are inherently evil.
Tom Potter
"Billie Gates" <bigbill...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:abebaa34-c2d1-42cb...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> Nazi"?
>
>Well Tom,
>
>one cannot do anything other than conclude that your inability to
>satisfactorally reply to the poster with adequate support for you
>assertions is your acquiescence.
>Now that you know and openly admit you have been lying, may I humbly
>suggest that you seek some sort of psychological/psychiatric help for
>this compulsive and uncontrollable behaviour?
>
>Billie
As my Pappy used to say:
"A stuck pig squeals."
As can be seen,
I must have stuck my pal Justin Lewis pretty good
when I pointed out that
Jews have come into conflict with all of their neighbors
through history,
considering that he engages in
""compulsive and uncontrollable behaviour""
like following the messenger around,
and attacking the messenger with all kinds of
nasty, low class, phrases,
rather than remaining cool,
and addressing the messages
in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way.
Sam Wormley
> because he emulates your style of attacking messengers?
>
I hope you are NOT tried as a NAZI war criminal, Potter.
Undisclosed Recipient
which, using his own yardstick of only posting facts, should be
verifiable, supportable and based upon evidence.
I merely asked him to show his evidence for these so-called facts. He
has not been able to do so. They are lies and he is a liar.
He attempts to cover this up with bluster. He has not been successful.
In fact, his only attempt to support one of the idiotic things (an
assumption about my religion, as if that were relevant) he wrote about
me failed as a result of a fundamental flaw in his logical abilities.
As my pappy used to say, "if it posts lies, it probably is a Potter".
Undisclosed Recipient
>
> Some recent examples of Justin Lewis'
> trash includes:
Could you explain your incorrect use of the apostrophe, Potter?
As my pappy used to say, "if it is in incorrect English, it was
probably written by a Potter".
Billie Gates
> To understand what people like Justin Lewis consider "decent"
> note that Justin Lewis asserts that he
> had the "decency" to address me as
> "a disgusting, feeble", "cheap", "vile" "bigot"
> and demand that Usenet remove my post.
The feigned moral indignation of Tommie further belies his unheralded
hypocrisy. This poor little victim has recently posted that Jews are a
cancer wich has to be removed from society and has referres to another
poster as a "vile Jew", and has suggested that a type of Jewish DNA
exists which is the carrier of a set on invented unfavourable
characteristics common to all Jews. These actions and the person who
undertook them have been accurately described by the poster. he did
miss out a number of Tom characteristics, however - cowardice,
mendacity, arrogance, intolerance, hatred, frustration and stupidity.
Posters have been very mild with Tom Potter considering the odious and
unpleasant nature of almost everything he does.
Billie Gates
> Some recent examples of Justin Lewis'
> trash includes:
> "You are a disgusting, feeble man Potter."
> "you galactacally moronic imbecile:,
> "you stupid halfwitted bigot",
> "mad hypocrital Nazi cretin",
> "mad bigotted fuck"
> "You really make stupidity into an art-form. Prick.""
Poor Little Potter. This feigned indignation further belies the
unheralded hypocrisy of a man who has recentley posted that the Jews
are a cancer which needs to be removed from society, that here is
Jewish DNA responsible for the transfer of a set invented
unvavourable characteristics and who has referred to a poster as a
"vile Jew".
Posters have been too mild with Potter: the above quote is a fair
description of the odious man but fails to recognise his mendacity,
cowardice, spite, frustration, lack of respect for his own family,
hatred, irrationality and psychopathic tendencies.
Tom Potter
It appears that Justin Lewis' Jewish Pappy
taught him to use the conventional Jewish tactic
of trying to obscure messages,
by trying to get the messenger
to adopt Jewish tactics ( Lies, insults, put downs, etc. ),
and turn the exchange into mud wrestling,
thus obscuring issues of critical importance
to the general public.
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see that my Jewish pal Justin Lewis,
uses one of his many sock puppets to try to enlist other sickos
to come to his aid, and physically attack a messenger,
who pointed out that Jews have come into conflict
with all of their neighbors throughout history.
No doubt the tendency of Jews to escalate attacks on
critics was the reason that Germany's Nazi Party
had to create a private police force, the Brown Shirts,
to prevent Jews from breaking up their political meetings,
and assaulting their members,
when they were trying to oppose the gang
that was using Russia as a base from where to instigate
Class Wars all over the world,
much as the gang is using Israel and America
to instigate Religious Wars all over the world today.
Visit the following web site to read the stories
of many folks who have been victims of
Jewish, Institutionalized Bigotry.
The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person
who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own."
<http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html>
What I don't understand is why Justin Lewis
doesn't show some Jewish pride,
and use sock puppets with Jewish names
like Sol Goldstein, etc.
Tom Potter
>> because he emulates your style of attacking messengers?
>>
>
> I hope you are NOT tried as a NAZI war criminal, Potter.
It is interesting to see that Sam Wormley,
suggests that posting factual, historical information,
from sources such as the Magna Carta, the Jewish Torah,
first hand historical accounts, and newspapers,
is grounds for being tried as a NAZI war criminal"",
and that he ignores obvious war criminal actions
like Bush's war against the Iraqi people,
and Israel's constants attacks on their neighbors.
I see that the United Nations has finally been able
to get War Crimes investigations of Israeli actions
on the agenda, and I dare say that in time,
they will be able to get War Crimes investigations
of Bush and the Neocons instigating the
Religious Wars on the agenda.
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see that Justin Lewis's Jewish Pappy
has taught him to use the standard Jewish tactic
of attacking messengers,
rather than the Christian, Muslim, Eastern Religion tactic
of addressing messages in an intelligent civilized, rational,
moral way.
As intelligent folks know,
Jews and immoral people use this tactic in an effort
to discredit and intimidate critics,
and to turn discussions into mud wrestling
in order to obscure messages
they don't want the public exposed to.
Tom Potter
I am surprised to see that Paul Draper
is unable to distinguish the difference between
"is like" and "is"
As I wrote
using General Relativity to speculate about
things beyond man's capacity to EVER experience
in time and space,
IS LIKE
"wasting time, money, and minds speculating about
where did God come from,
what was here before God,
how did God make the transition from nothing to God,
what will be here after God is gone."
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Undisclosed Recipient
> "Undisclosed Recipient" <undisclosedspamrecipi...@googlemail.com> wrote in
>
>
>
> >> Some recent examples of Justin Lewis'
> >> trash includes:
> > Could you explain your incorrect use of the apostrophe, Potter?
>
> > As my pappy used to say, "if it is in incorrect English, it was
> > probably written by a Potter".
>
> It appears that Justin Lewis' Jewish Pappy
> taught him to use the conventional Jewish tactic
> of trying to obscure messages,
>
> by trying to get the messenger
> to adopt Jewish tactics ( Lies, insults, put downs, etc. ),
> and turn the exchange into mud wrestling,
>
> thus obscuring issues of critical importance
> to the general public.
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------
We cannot understand you posting: your incorrect use of punctation
renders it meaningless.
Undisclosed Recipient
> "Billie Gates" <bigbilliega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> -----------------------------------------------
First sentence: three lies.
1) Identity of poster
2) Reference to religion of another Usenet poster
3) That Justin Lewis has attempted to incite other people to attack
anyone.
Try producing evidence to support those three assertions, Potter. And
fail pitifully.
Undisclosed Recipient
> As intelligent folks know,
> Jews and immoral people use this tactic in an effort
> to discredit and intimidate critics,
other religion (proof?)? As a result of being Jewish?
Posting is reported to Usenet as anti-semitic.
zzbu...@netscape.net
> On Oct 11, 5:15 am, "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> Formulas are approximations to physical phenomena.
>
> They don't drive the Universe.
The only laws of universe are that Geomrety cranks
will go to any lengths to prove that they not nvented
pi, but that they also invented sin(pi)
Number theory cranks will go to any lengths to
prove that they not only invented numbers, but
that they also invented science.
Algrebra bozos with go to any lengths to prove
that they not only invented parabolas, but that they idiots
also invented robots and boundary-value problems.
AI loons with go past any lengths to prove that they
not only invented stooge recursive functions,
but that the bozos also inverse functions,
laser-guided phasors, holograms, self-replicating machines,
atomic clock watches, light sticks, fiber optics,
usb, hdtv, blue ray, gps, digital books, cyber batteries,
desktop publishing, on-line publishing, and the 21st Century.
Sam Wormley
>
> "wasting time, money, and minds speculating about
> where did God come from,
> what was here before God,
> how did God make the transition from nothing to God,
> what will be here after God is gone."
>
>
Potter always disparages what he cannot understand.
PD
Ah, well what makes you so sure that the speculations raised by
general relativity are beyond man's capacity to EVER experience, such
as wormholes and time travel?
Also, we will never experience ancient Greece again. Does this mean
that the historical study of Greece is as pointless as speculating
where God came from? Why?
>
> A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
>
> --
Undisclosed Recipient
He disparages everything?
Richard Herring
>
>"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
>news:$t4HmrGK...@baesystems.com...
>> In message <hc73nm$kua$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Tom Potter
>> <xpriv...@mailinator.com> writes
>>>
>>>"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
>>>news:IkNa06JT...@baesystems.com...
>>>> In message <q1hEm.15656$NE1....@newsfe18.iad>, Tom Potter
>>>> <tdp...@yahoo.com> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:hTQgptKf...@baesystems.com...
[...]
>>>>>> I'm still waiting for Potter to provide any evidence to substantiate
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> remarkable claim in <news:g8mksf$ovr$1...@aioe.org> that _my_ ancestors
>>>>>> "sold
>>>>>> used clothes and operated junk yards and ate carp with eggs, onions,
>>>>>> flour, and matzoh meal before they got into the instigation of
>>>>>> conflict
>>>>>> and war business".
>>>>
>>>> And as usual he makes no attempt to provide that evidence.
>>>>
>> And he _still_ makes no attempt to provide that evidence.
And he _still_ makes no attempt to provide that evidence. Could it be
that he doesn't actually possess it?
[...]
>>>of
>>>about why the writers of the Magna Carta
>>>prohibited Jews
>>
>> ... and indeed everyone else ("Debts owed to persons other than Jews
>> are to be dealt with similarly.") ...
>>
>>>from taking advantage of widows and orphans.
>>
>> Because they were as antisemitic as Potter is?
>>
>> Or because the Jews in 13th-century England were agents of the king whose
>> powers Magna Carta was intended to limit?
>>
>> http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/themes/debt.html
>>
>> Either way, there's nothing in Magna Carta to support Potter's fantasies:
>> it's a document of its time, which was created as a practical tool of
>> power politics, not some kind of statement of Universal Truth. Potter is
>> also probably not aware that those two clauses he's so excited about were
>> only in the first draft, which was in force for less than a year.
>>
>I am sadden to see that my post of excerpts
>from the Magna Carta
>
>prohibiting Jews from taking advantage
>of widows and orphans
>bent Richard Herring all out of shape,
Standard Potter response: everyone except himself is "bent out of
shape", but he hasn't yet drawn the obvious conclusion...
>and compelled him
>to delete the excerpts,
I delete most of Potter's postings. They are all in the record at Google
and elsewhere.
>and attack the messenger.
When the messenger is a proven liar, it's appropriate to point it out.
>and call the posting of historical data ""Potter's fantasies"".
Evidently Potter is totally unable to distinguish between acknowledged
historical data and his own fantasies.
>
>Richard Herring did raise a good point when
>he observed that all of the neighbors of Jews
>throughout history became anti-Semitic.
Another lie from Potter. I made no such statement.
--
Richard Herring
Undisclosed Recipient
>
>
>
> >Richard Herring did raise a good point when
> >he observed that all of the neighbors of Jews
> >throughout history became anti-Semitic.
>
> Another lie from Potter. I made no such statement.
>
> --
> Richard Herring
This is a typical Potter tactic; he attributes a statement of his own
invention (and liking) to a poster with which he then agrees. Puerile
but worth a try - here goes.
Potter raises a good point when he observed that his own inability to
recognise the truth and his constant abuse of a whole religion have
resulted in his enjoying no support in this forum.
See, it works!
Tom Potter
Thanks to my Jewish pal Justin Lewis
for demonstrating how Jews copy successful debate tactics
and use the techniques against messengers
rather than using them to debate issues of great importance
to the masses, like:
1. The instigation of conflict and war for profit.
2. The trashing of cultures.
3. The manipulation of money markets.
4. The use of Institutionalized Bigotry and Mass Media
to impose a greedy agenda upon the masses.
5. The degradation of cultures with pornography, prostitution, gambling,
etc.
6. The propagation of lies and distortions
to "cook the books" on past history,
and to demonize targeted race, religions, cultures and nations.
7. How criminals try to create the perception
that they are "virtuous victims".
8. How Jews use Mass Media and collective hype
to claim credit for the works of others,
and to amplify their works over the works of others.
9. The value of a model that uses rubber clocks and rulers
to model things beyond man's capacity to ever experience
like time travel, the beginning and end of the universe,
and the mind of God.
Tom Potter
As can be seen by my many posts,
I glorify many races, religions, physical models,
social systems, etc.
and only "disparage" things and events
that have a negative impact on society.
for example note that I "disparage"
the instigation of war for profit,
the hyping of none cost-effective models and tools,
self glorifications of races, religions and people,
personal attacks on folks,
attempts to inhibit free speech, etc.
Tom Potter
"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
Observe that Richard Herring implied
that the folks who wrote the Magna Carta
specifically prohibited Jews
from taking advantage of widows and orphans,
"Because they were as antisemitic as Potter is?"
and note that Richard Herring is
"totally unable to distinguish between acknowledged
historical data and his own fantasies."
if he is unable to comprehend that Jews have
come into conflict with all of their neighbors throughout history,
and that the neighbors became anti-Semitic
like the writers of the Magna Carta,
the German people, Russians, the Spanish,
the Palestinians, Muslims, many Americans, etc.
Tom Potter
As can be seen from his posts
Sam Wormley frequently disparages folks
and pretends to be privy to powerful, esoteric knowledge.
It seems to me
that if someone was privy to powerful information,
they should be able to demonstrate the value
of their knowledge,
and they wouldn't have to "disparage" heretics.
Observe that I only "disparage" posters
who "disparage" messengers,
rather than address messages
in a rational, intelligent, civilized way.
Tom Potter
Paul Draper raises a good point
when he suggests that folks
should study history **more**
and use **factual** historical data
when constructing models
that will be used to predict the future,
rather than **religiously** hold to
popular models aggressively hyped
by Mass Media and people on the public dole,
more for glorifying race, religion and self,
than for providing a viable, useful, cost-effective tool.
Undisclosed Recipient
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Line one: unsubstantiated lie - no need to read further!
Undisclosed Recipient
> "Undisclosed Recipient" <undisclosedspamrecipi...@googlemail.com> wrote in
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> >> >Richard Herring did raise a good point when
> >> >he observed that all of the neighbors of Jews
> >> >throughout history became anti-Semitic.
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> >> Another lie from Potter. I made no such statement.
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> >> --
> >> Richard Herring
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> > This is a typical Potter tactic; he attributes a statement of his own
> > invention (and liking) to a poster with which he then agrees. Puerile
> > but worth a try - here goes.
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> > Potter raises a good point when he observed that his own inability to
> > recognise the truth and his constant abuse of a whole religion have
> > resulted in his enjoying no support in this forum.
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> > See, it works!
>
> Thanks to my Jewish pal Justin Lewis
> for demonstrating how Jews copy successful debate tactics
> and use the techniques against messengers
Tom, you have no successful debating tactics - look at your non-
existent support in this forum!
Richard Herring
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>>>Richard Herring did raise a good point when
>>>he observed that all of the neighbors of Jews
>>>throughout history became anti-Semitic.
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>> Another lie from Potter. I made no such statement.
>Observe that Richard Herring implied
Another lie from Potter. I implied nothing of the sort. I corrected his
facts and hinted at two possible answers to his question, one of which
he has snipped because he clearly doesn't understand its relevance.
>that the folks who wrote the Magna Carta
>specifically prohibited Jews
... and indeed everybody else, as I pointed out before, but Potter
chooses to overlook: ("Debts owed to persons other than Jews are to be
dealt with similarly.") ...
>from taking advantage of widows and orphans,
>
>"Because they were as antisemitic as Potter is?"
>
Or because the Jews in 13th-century England were agents of the king
whose powers Magna Carta was intended to limit?
Observe that Potter is unable to apprehend the function of the question
mark, or the meaning of the word "or". Since he can't even handle
simple English, any attempt to explain the concept of "the King's Jews"
to him would be a waste of time. But it's gratifying to note that he
acknowledges his antisemitism in the travesty of an argument he presents
above.
--
Richard Herring
PD
Scientific models become popular by reflecting *factual* experimental
data, though *historical* data is largely irrelevant.
If you were unaware how models become popular in science, this may be
part of your issue.
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> more for glorifying race, religion and self,
> than for providing a viable, useful, cost-effective tool.
We just discussed this. There are reasons for doing *fundamental*
science without an eye to useful or cost-effective tools. That belongs
to *development*, not fundamental research.
PD
Sendme
> In message <hdak6b$po...@news.eternal-september.org>, Tom Potter
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This is certainly how the Magna Carta is taught and viewed in England
in both schools and universities.
Potter does not tell the truth and choses to conceal parts of the
facts in order to apply a perverse and perverted revisionist anti-
semitic logic which does not bear the scrutiny of any knowledgeable
peson.
He never allows the shining sun of his anti-semitism to be eclipsed by
the moon of the truth.
He also never substantiates his purported facts: his one attempt to
substiantiate one of 7 lies he has printed about me in this thread
failed abjectly.
Now he has been caught lying on pure historical facts. Not a surprise:
his interpretation of Kristallnacht is Jews were attacking Germans - a
more perverse interpretation does not exist.
Angela Merkel in a speech to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the
fall of the wall referred to Kristallnacht as one of the lowest points
in German history and named it as the real beginning of the
"persecution of the Jews and other groups". Her speech was very moving
and a credit to modern Germany: was she lying, Tom?
G=EMC^2 Glazier
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see that Paul Draper
thinks that "fundamental* science"
should operate in a random manner,
"without an eye to useful or cost-effective"
tools and models.
No doubt a random approach would be better than
basing the subject of research on subjects
of death and destruction,
and subjects slanted to glorify previous models
associated with individuals, races and religions.
Tom Potter
"Sendme" <sendmesome...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It is interesting to see that my Jewish pals
"Richard Herring" and Justin Lewis
seem to be more interested in
attacking the messenger,
rather than addressing the message in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way.
Considering that "Richard Herring"
claims to know all about how English schools
teach about the Magna Carta
and about the situation in England when the
Magna Carta was written,
and prohibited Jews from taking advantage of
widows and orphans,
hopefully, he will use some of his claimed knowledge
to expose the readers to actual historical FACTS
rather than expose folks to personal attacks,
and personal opinions.
And hopefully Justin Lewis will
expose the readers to actual historical FACTS
about the "night of the broken glass"
rather than try to associate the expression
of some politician who may be ignorant of history,
and not doubt has to cater to contemporary public opinion
and power groups, who would attack the politicians just as they
attack ANYONE who expressed FACTS they do not want the
public exposed to.
--
Tom Potter
Thanks to my Jewish pal Justin Lewis for pointing out,
and for Richard Herring demonstrating,
that although bad guys run in
and try to get in a few kicks and cheap shots
when another bad guy is involved in an altercation,
good guys only come to the aid of another good guy,
when he is having trouble defending himself.
I dare say that the good guys who read these posts
comprehend that I am using a few bad guys
to make a few important points that
affect the masses much more than
whatever negative image a few bad guys can
fabricate about Tom Potter.
Tom Potter
I am surprised to see that my Jewish pal Justin Lewis
does not know that Jews were central to the instigation
of the Class Wars of the 1900's,
and they are central to the instigation of the Religious Wars
of the 2000's,
and of course, Jews have been central to,
and profited from,
many conflicts and wars,
such as the Urban Rebellion
that destroyed America's Inner Cities, in the 1960's and 70's,
thus wasting trillions of dollars of infrastructure.
Phukwit
> "Sendme" <sendmesomemorespa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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those which you ignore (deliberately or as a result of ignorance)
contradict your own perverse interpretation of history. In short, you
are lying.
You are also lying about Kristallnacht: show us just a little credible
support for your position. Tom's mad world: Angela Merkel is ignorant
of German history - she should come to Tom to be tutored. do you even
speak German, Tom? You certainly have trouble with English.
Phukwit
> "Undisclosed Recipient" <undisclosedspamrecipi...@googlemail.com> wrote in
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Any facts here, Tom? No, just more mad abusive rantings. Shame on you.
Phukwit
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The rest of the shit you post does not change the fact that you lied
in the first line of your post - you are a proven liar. The rest is
just sad abuse. Learn to punctuate.