A hurricane theory (kst)
Ken S. Tucker
The more I've studied the *art* of hurricane
forecasting, such as where Frances will go, and
how strong will she blow, I sense the current
state of the art is on par with Wiggi boards,
and stock broker advice.
The basic power source is caused by the
suction of liquifying the atmosphere, specifically
water vapor ==> rain.
The density increases ~3000x in that process,
hence 1" of rain shrinks the atmosphere by
250'. A large hurricane can dump 10 or 20"'s
so 20"x250 ~ 1 mile of atmospheric shrinkage,
(recall the troposphere where weather occurs
is about 5-10 miles high), so this shrinkage
should create quite a depression in the
troposphere and manifest as a very low pressure
which, of course, they do.
The very first steam engines actually used
the *vacuum* created by condensing steam,
to produce power by the described process.
I suppose pressure fittings were not
available then.
The low pressure created by the process of
condensation sucks more atmosphere into
the hurricane. The cloud shadow cools the
atmosphere and condenses the water vapor.
Thus, the fuel for a hurricane is humidity.
Like a forest fire the hurricane follows
and hunts for it's fuel, on a local basis,
attracted to the direction of humidity
input as that will tilt the hurricane in
the direction of the low pressure the
humidity condensation causes.
Therefore humidity readings and predictions
should improve the accuracy forecast of the
path of the eye, together of course with macro
barometric influences.
Basically a hurricane is a *positive feed-back*
phenomena, because it grows and has a voracious
appetite for humidity.
Using cloud seeding to remove humidity can
shift the direction and intensity of hurricanes
much like fire fighters use controlled burn fires
to battle forest fires.
A wing of B-52's using *cloud seeding ordinance*
would probably be required to make a definite
difference, and the cost savings should be worth
the mission, especially when lives are at stake.
Besides the USAF can charge it to bombing practice,
and save a few bags of flour, for the hungry.
Good Luck Florida
Ken S. Tucker
Uncle Al
>
> Not an expert, criticism is expected.
>
> The more I've studied the *art* of hurricane
> forecasting, such as where Frances will go, and
> how strong will she blow, I sense the current
> state of the art is on par with Wiggi boards,
> and stock broker advice.
>
> The basic power source is caused by the
> suction of liquifying the atmosphere, specifically
>
> water vapor ==> rain.
A hurricane is fueled by water's latent heat of vaporization plus
Coriolis acceleration.
[snip crap]
> Like a forest fire the hurricane follows
> and hunts for it's fuel, on a local basis,
> attracted to the direction of humidity
> input as that will tilt the hurricane in
> the direction of the low pressure the
> humidity condensation causes.
Idiot. Why don't you read a Web page or two on meteorology?
Hurricane and typhoon (in the other pond) etiology is extremely well
circumscribed - to (+/-) 1 degree in sea surface temp make or break.
Storm path is unpredictable for fundamental mathematical reasons.
[snip more crap]
> A wing of B-52's using *cloud seeding ordinance*
> would probably be required to make a definite
> difference, and the cost savings should be worth
> the mission, especially when lives are at stake.
> Besides the USAF can charge it to bombing practice,
> and save a few bags of flour, for the hungry.
Idiot. Air drop huge blocks of ice to cool the ocean's surface.
Airdrop huge tonnages of silicone oil to form a surface vapor
barrier. HA HA HA.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
robert j. kolker
Uncle Al wrote:
> Idiot. Why don't you read a Web page or two on meteorology?
> Hurricane and typhoon (in the other pond) etiology is extremely well
> circumscribed - to (+/-) 1 degree in sea surface temp make or break.
> Storm path is unpredictable for fundamental mathematical reasons.
Tornados are a different story. It is a documented fact that tornados go
after trailer parks.
Bob Kolker
Morituri-Max
It's not the trailer parks they go after, its the harmonics emanating from home
made tv antennas receiving the signals from old jerry springer and oprah
reruns..
hanson
"robert j. kolker" <now...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:2prj55F...@uni-berlin.de...
> Uncle Al wrote:
> > Idiot. Why don't you read a Web page or two on meteorology?
> > Hurricane and typhoon (in the other pond) etiology is extremely well
> > circumscribed - to (+/-) 1 degree in sea surface temp make or break.
> > Storm path is unpredictable for fundamental mathematical reasons.
>
> Tornados are a different story. It is a documented fact
> that tornados go after trailer parks.
>
.....Trailer parks CAUSE tornados!
ahahaha.....ahahanson
Ken S. Tucker
> "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
> > Not an expert, criticism is expected.
> > The more I've studied the *art* of hurricane
> > forecasting, such as where Frances will go, and
> > how strong will she blow, I sense the current
> > state of the art is on par with Wiggi boards,
> > and stock broker advice.
> >
> > The basic power source is caused by the
> > suction of liquifying the atmosphere, specifically
> >
> > water vapor ==> rain.
>
> A hurricane is fueled by water's latent heat of vaporization
Right, aka condensation.
>plus Coriolis acceleration.
Wrong, Coriolis is a precursor, not a fuel.
[snip crap]
> > Like a forest fire the hurricane follows
> > and hunts for it's fuel, on a local basis,
> > attracted to the direction of humidity
> > input as that will tilt the hurricane in
> > the direction of the low pressure the
> > humidity condensation causes.
> Storm path is unpredictable for fundamental mathematical reasons.
No it's not, it's difficult yes, like putting
on a hilly wet green, but with improved theory
and more data trajectory prediction improves.
Think Voyager!
> > A wing of B-52's using *cloud seeding ordinance*
> > would probably be required to make a definite
> > difference, and the cost savings should be worth
> > the mission, especially when lives are at stake.
> > Besides the USAF can charge it to bombing practice,
> > and save a few bags of flour, for the hungry.
[snip junk]
> Airdrop huge tonnages of silicone oil to form a surface vapor
> barrier. HA HA HA.
No, that doesn't work when the surf's up.
If an early forming hurricane could be gently
deflected into less humid waters and possibly
south of the equator by humidity control, (cloud
seeding ordinance CO2) then the Coriolos deflection
*might* confuse the cell into dissappation.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
PS: I imagine Uncle Al's alter-ego resembling
the martians in "War of the Worlds" starring
Gene Barry, the weight of a putter would snap
off his fingers, and catching a cold is lethal.
HA HA HA HA...good fun...
kst
hanson
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> Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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>
> > "Ken S. Tucker" wrote:
> > > Not an expert, criticism is expected.
> > > The more I've studied the *art* of hurricane
> > > forecasting, such as where Frances will go, and
> > > how strong will she blow, I sense the current
> > > state of the art is on par with Wiggi boards,
> > > and stock broker advice.
> > > The basic power source is caused by the
> > > suction of liquifying the atmosphere, specifically
> > > water vapor ==> rain.
> >
> > A hurricane is fueled by water's latent heat of vaporization
>
> Right, aka condensation.
>
[Al]
> >plus Coriolis acceleration.
>
[Ken]
> Wrong, Coriolis is a precursor, not a fuel.
> [snip crap]
>
> > > Like a forest fire the hurricane follows
> > > and hunts for it's fuel, on a local basis,
> > > attracted to the direction of humidity
> > > input as that will tilt the hurricane in
> > > the direction of the low pressure the
> > > humidity condensation causes.
>
> > Storm path is unpredictable for fundamental mathematical reasons.
>
> No it's not, it's difficult yes, like putting
> on a hilly wet green, but with improved theory
> and more data trajectory prediction improves.
> Think Voyager!
>
> > > A wing of B-52's using *cloud seeding ordinance*
> > > would probably be required to make a definite
> > > difference, and the cost savings should be worth
> > > the mission, especially when lives are at stake.
> > > Besides the USAF can charge it to bombing practice,
> > > and save a few bags of flour, for the hungry.
>
> [snip junk]
>
> > Airdrop huge tonnages of silicone oil to form a surface vapor
> > barrier. HA HA HA.
>
> No, that doesn't work when the surf's up.
> If an early forming hurricane could be gently
> deflected into less humid waters and possibly
> south of the equator by humidity control, (cloud
> seeding ordinance CO2) then the Coriolos deflection
> *might* confuse the cell into dissappation.
> Regards
> Ken S. Tucker
>
> PS: I imagine Uncle Al's alter-ego resembling
> the martians in "War of the Worlds" starring
> Gene Barry, the weight of a putter would snap
> off his fingers, and catching a cold is lethal.
> HA HA HA HA...good fun...
> kst
>
No, no, no, ........Al's alter ego are really Giphted Opinions,
by the barrel load, not martian but militant........ahahahaha....
Anyway, here is the practical solution to you guys theory in
mutial dispute......therefore, so then pay attention, gents:
** ALL MOOCHES, SUCKERS + CONARTISTS LINE UP **
there's $$$ in them clouds........ahahahaha.......
----------------- Re: Dyn-o-gel -----------------
In article <4137f3db$1...@127.0.0.1>,
Pick...@aol-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Moooink) wrote:
> In late 2001 and early 2002 researchers began testing Dyn-O-Gel to one
> day stop or slow a hurricane. From there they would then sell their
> invention the United States government. I have searched all over the
> internet and cannot find a single article later then 2002 regarding
> the company Dyn-O-Mat, Dyn-O-Gel, or Peter Cordani. The only article
> that I could find that remotely explains what happened to the company
> is that the NHC declined their invention and they were seeking to test
> in Africa. Does anyone know any information about what happened to
> this product???? :?: :?:
>
"Steve Schulin" <steve....@nuclear.com> wrote in message
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"BANKRUPTCIES", Palm Beach Post (Florida),
August 11, 2003, p. 9D Filed July 25
Chapter 7 - Dyn-O-Mat Inc., 1201 Jupiter Park Drive, Jupiter, 33458.
Attorney: pro se. 03-34099; involuntary.
Copyright 2003 Palm Beach Newspapers, Inc.
---
St. Petersburg Times (Florida), August 24, 2003, p. 1F
His head is in the clouds --- by Dave Scheiber
JUPITER, FLORIDA -- You might be expecting somebody like Professor Irwin
Corey, sporting a disheveled Albert Einstein coif and spouting arcane
mathematical formulas.
After all, the inventor has spent the past three years brewing up an
absorbent powder called Dyn-O-Gel, which he says can hobble the meanest
hurricane and save billions in damage.
Okay, sounds way out there, but this is Jupiter.
So you walk into Dyno-O-Mat headquarters looking for a nutty guy in a
white lab coat. Instead, you get a man wearing a dress shirt open at the
collar, and loafers with no socks, who greets you heartily with a
grainy, streetwise New York accent.
"Hey, I'm Pete, how ya doin'?"
At 42, Peter Cordani, the company's CEO, is a father of three who
employs his dad and a younger brother. He has thick black hair graying
around the edges, but often refers to himself as the "kid" - like a
prizefighter squaring off against the establishment: "They say, here's a
kid gonna stop a storm" or "They say, this kid keeps hammerin'."
In fact, the kid is a bit of an anomaly. He built a million-dollar
business but never went to college. He's sports-bar casual, but is a
100-hour-a-week workaholic with a dozen or so inventions always in play
- including a goo that combats wildfires.
Cordani is no mad scientist. But he's definitely mad about something.
The government's hurricane research program, NOAA (National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration), is trying to crush him, he says. It wants
him out of business because his product represents a threat to its
funding efforts.
It is doing everything it can to discredit his product as just another
no-cigar idea, like the kind submitted regularly to NOAA by would-be
Nobel winners (one suggested nuking hurricanes before they make
landfall; another proposed giant windmills on the beaches to blow the
'canes back into the ocean).
So, it might be tempting to dismiss Cordani and his stormbusting project
as so much hot tropical air.
Except there's this:
Two years ago, Cordani's team chartered a Canberra jet to drop $40,000
worth of his Dyno-O-Gel (also called Dyn-O-Storm) into a dark cloud off
West Palm Beach. The event was covered by local TV, which reported that
the cloud immediately dissipated. Not only that, a video of the airport
radar screen showed that the cloud vanished.
And this: A respected hurricane researcher and Doppler radar expert from
Florida State University says Dyn-O-Gel may just work, and plans to
conduct full-scale testing with top scientists.
Others have joined Cordani's camp as well, such as a former Apollo 14
astronaut who walked on the moon, and a meteorologist mission director
who made 135 research flights into eye-walls for the U.S. Air Force
Reserve Hurricane Hunters.
Cordani has been in the eye of a few storms, too.
In 1997, he says, he was still struggling to get Dyn-O-Mat off the
ground when he wrote a check to a business associate for $1,200. It
bounced. Cordani insists he promptly made good with a cash payment, but
two years later was sued by the man, who said he never received the
money. Cordani lost the case and received probation.
Last month, he was taken to court again, sued by a finance company.
Cordani says the company claims he owes it about $24,000; he insists he
owes only $12,000. "I talked to my lawyers and said "Let's go to war.' I
can stop a hurricane - I can sure stop these guys."
Meanwhile, he presses on with his goal of raising a whopping
$500-million to fund the research and testing of his product.
People are noticing. A film crew from National Geographic International
just interviewed Cordani for a series called Built for Destruction. An
ABC crew visited for a New York area special.
The BBC and Japan and German TV have interviewed him, and his
receptionist tells him a call has just come in from the Discovery
Science Channel.
Sitting in his board room, Cordani quietly describes a different kind of
call he got recently: "A guy tells me, "You're on the right track,' and
hangs up."
Then, with a dash of X-Files intrigue, Cordani adds the kicker: "I
tracked the call - and it came from an agency of NOAA."
Everybody likes to complain about the weather, but nobody ever does
anything about it.
Well, that's not exactly true. The ancient Aztecs tried making rain with
human sacrifices. For centuries, American Indians tried with rain
dancing. Some people in the 16th and 18th centuries tried stopping
storms by ringing bells.
Peter Cordani, meanwhile, has been trying to change the weather ever
since the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office issued him a patent in 2000
for his storm-sapping idea. The words on top of the certificate read
plainly: "Weather modification."
The truth is, the U.S. government also has tried its hand at weather
modification. Between 1962 and 1983, it conducted Project Stormfury,
overseen by the National Hurricane Research Labs in Miami.
The program, funded by hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars, hinged
on "seeding" hurricanes with silver iodide. The plan was to stimulate
the growth of clouds outside the eye-wall, weakening the wall of energy
and forming a slower, less dangerous one around it.
Project Stormfury seeded eight storm systems in all. It showed some
promise in 1969 during tests on Hurricane Debbie, dropping winds between
15 and 30 mph on two occasions. But in the end, scientists couldn't tell
if the storms responded to the seeding or simply changed on their own.
Since the project's demise in the '80s, the emphasis has been on
hurricane research and improved methods of forecasting, conducted by
NOAA.
Dr. Hugh Willoughby started studying storms at NOAA in 1975, and from
1995 to 2002 served as director of the Hurricane Research Division of
NOAA's Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory. He retired
to teach this year at Florida International University in Miami. A
former naval officer, Willoughby made more than 400 research flights
into the eyes of cyclones and hurricanes.
One day, three years ago, he received a package in the mail containing a
jar and letter. It was a sample of Dyn-O-Gel powder and a note from
Cordani explaining how it worked.
Willoughby wanted to know more.
The Dyno-O-Gel that Willoughby held before him was an accidental
creation, a modification of a plant moisture product available at any
gardening store.
It all stemmed from Cordani's interest in absorbent materials and
lifelong passion for inventing.
He had built contraptions around the house throughout his teens in Long
Island - attaching lawn mower engines to bikes, trying to make a heated
toilet seat, designing a toothbrush container with a cartoon head.
"They'd say, "The kid's wacky, he wants to invent.' But that was my
thing."
Cordani eventually moved with his family to Palm Beach County. He
pondered selling real estate, but didn't like the reading and tests. He
worked briefly for his father, who ran a construction company. Then he
started his own business, installing drainage pipes in yards of luxury
homes built on muck. The company grew. But Cordani was restless.
Then he got an idea while helping his father clean up a car oil leak in
the garage.
After buying some carpet to put under his dad's car, the thought hit
him: What if he could make a leak-proof, super absorbent mat to use in
garages? So he learned about polypropylene (used to make indoor-outdoor
carpet), found a nonleak backing and, at 33, had his first successful
invention: Dyn-O-Mat.
Sears and hardware stores soon stocked it as a toolbox liner, but
Cordani also marketed it as coasters, dog-cage liners, drop cloths, mats
and more.
Dyn-O-Mat started a cash flow and kept Cordani's creative gears
churning. About four years ago, he noticed something while working in
the yard one day with Soil Moist, a product with crystals that gel as
they absorb water, holding moisture for plant roots.
He tinkered with the polymers in Soil Moist. Over time, he produced a
white substance like baby powder. It was far more absorbent than Soil
Moist; a few spoonfuls could make a bowl of water congeal instantly into
clear goop.
He and business partner J.D. Dutton began manufacturing fabric cylinders
filled with the powder to absorb the water condensation in underground
gas station tanks and elevator hydraulic tanks. "I thought, I could sell
a billion of these things. As they expand with water, you just throw 'em
out."
Jokingly, he mentioned to Dutton, "You know, J.D., we could dump some of
this powder in a storm." They both laughed at the thought of a giant
Jell-O-like glob falling from the sky, causing a tidal wave when it hits
the ocean below.
But two weeks later, he was packing the roots of a tree with Soil Moist
at his parent's house. His hands were covered with the slippery gel.
When he picked up a rag soaked with saltwater from wiping down their
Waverunner, he was stunned: The saltwater instantly dissolved the gel
from his hands.
It was his shazam! moment. His silly idea now looked like a bona fide
theory: The stuff would absorb rain droplets into tiny gel particles,
the added weight would force them earthward, and the gel would turn back
to liquid upon contact with the sea.
"I ran to my patent lawyer, showed him what I had and he said, "Don't
say nothin' - this is serious, you could change the world,' " says
Cordani.
As soon as it was patented, he mailed off a sample to Hugh Willoughby.
"Peter Cordani is a very smart man, a successful businessman who's put a
lot of innovative and very useful products on the market," says
Willoughby from his FIU office. "And the material itself, he sent me a
jar of it. It's fascinating stuff to play with. So that made me
predisposed to be interested in it."
Willoughby and Cordani appeared on CBS News' Early Show in July 2000.
Willoughby told co-anchor Russ Mitchell, "This man has hit upon
something that's within the realm of physical possibility."
Cordani says Willoughby encouraged him to try two tests on storm clouds,
using crop dusters to drop the powder. Both were successful, Cordani
says. During the tests, he recalls, Willoughby "was like a dad to me on
the phone."
But soon, Willoughby stopped returning his calls.
"He was excited for me after the two tests, but now it was "Doc? Doc?'
No Doc. Like the world turned off on me. Then, a negative article got
printed, saying NOAA didn't think it had merit. It would take tons of
the product and be too costly. So now, I'm feeling hurt as a person."
Willoughby, however, has a different recollection:
He says he and NOAA colleagues thoroughly tested the powder/gel. They
ran computer simulations, he explains, and concluded that the process
would slow a hurricane only minimally.
"It wasn't my job to take an idea that I've no reason to believe will
work and make it into something useful," Willoughby said.
"The problem is that Peter had no physical hypothesis about how this
stuff would work that he's willing to share with anybody," he says. "In
science, you don't spend time on things where there's a step that goes,
"And then a miracle happens.' "
Cordani, however, felt Willoughby distanced himself under pressure from
NOAA, since his innovation might divert research funds to his project.
Hardly, says Willoughby: "A guy with a gleam in his eye walks in with an
idea with a $100-million project that can save the economy billions -
that's a win for him for thinking it up, and a win for us for making it
work."
Still, Cordani fumed. He set up a new test in 2001 to get NOAA's
attention. His goal: Knock a storm cloud off the radar screens in West
Palm Beach. By all accounts, the cloud disappeared.
But Willoughby was not impressed. He told interviewers that storm clouds
often dissipate suddenly on their own.
NOAA hasn't changed its stance, though Willoughby grants this much: "It
has some possibilities as a cloud-seeding agent or rainmaker - turning
suspended droplets into rain," he says. "It's reasonable to suppose it
could work that way."
But Cordani is firing back again.
"Project Stormfury spent hundreds of millions of taxpayer money," he
says. "They blew it and the project was shut down. So I'm spending money
out of my own pocket, with my own crew."
Cordani says that the Dyn-O-Gel Willoughby tested absorbed 250 times its
weight in water, but the new variety absorbs 2,000 times its weight. His
plan is to target only major hurricanes, and he contends he can slow
them down by a full category.
His storm team now numbers 300-plus. Among them is Dr. Peter Ray, a
professor of meteorology at FSU and veteran hurricane researcher. Ray
builds mobile Doppler radar systems.
He says he has no financial interest in Cordani's company and has not
"received a dime" other than for travel expenses to Jupiter. He says he
only wants to determine if Dyn-O-Gel can effectively weaken hurricanes.
"If I weren't optimistic about it, I wouldn't waste my time," he says.
"My role is to bring the best science, the best scientists, the best
tools and the best methodology to bear that's available in the country.
"But it's not a matter of who has the best reputation or who has the
highest position on which credibility needs to be established. It needs
to be established on the basis on good science. So I am totally commited
to that regardless of the outcome."
Ray does suggest the gel didn't get a fair shake.
"There are legitimate skeptics, but there are professional jealousies,
too," he says. "If there's a prospect of reducing the threat of loss of
lives or property, it would be irresponsible on issues of turf or any
other reason not to (look further). And what I would say to NOAA - they
have bright people there - help make this better. Don't kill a good idea
just because it isn't yours."
Ray also criticizes NOAA for so quickly dismissing Cordani's radar
experiment. "You need to test a bunch of storms, and if they all
(disappear), then it's not likely that it just happened by chance."
Another supporter is former Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who earned
his science doctorate from Massachusetts Institute of Technology and
walked on the moon with Alan Shepard in 1971. Mitchell is a Dyn-O-Mat
director and adviser to Cordani.
"Innovation is always resisted," says Mitchell. "And then sooner or
later, the same guys (resisting) say, "I knew it all the time.' It's
been that way forever, and I guess it always will be - creating new
ideas and making them work, and getting them sold, is an arduous,
arduous task."
Mitchell has spent the last 30 years studying human consciousness and
psychic and paranormal phenomena in the search for a common ground
between science and spirit. But even he was skeptical at first.
"Then I saw how it worked, and the great potential it has," he adds.
"The fact is, Peter's a very, very bright young man. And his crazy
genius is apparent."
Cordani plans his next test in Melbourne within two months, and foresees
two more years of testing, with results presented to the government and
science community at each step.
What about health considerations of Dyn-O-Gel?
Cordani maintains the product is safe, derived from organic polymers
that enhance vegetation and are approved by the Environmental Protection
Agency. An EPA spokesperson in Washington, D.C., unacquainted with
Dyn-O-Gel, said there could be "different exposure scenarios" for humans
based on whether it's being incorporated into soil or dissipated into
the atmosphere.
Then there's the question of what it would cost to take on a real
hurricane. For a storm the size of 1992's Hurricane Andrew, the most
destructive U.S. hurricane on record, Cordani's team's best guess is
"two shots of 1.6-million pounds" most likely dropped into the eye. At
$4 a pound, the price would exceed $6-million. "But you have to weigh
that against $40-billion in real estate damage," he says.
Inside his lab, filled with multicolored gels and vials, Cordani has
many other esoteric irons in the fire. Like the fire-retardant gel he'll
slather on his hand, then turn a blowtorch on it. Cordani says he has
just shipped this coolant product to Portugal to test on the country's
wildfires, and also to Montana firefighters.
He's created Dyn-O-Spine, a stretcher that induces mild hypothermia
using a coolant gel, intended to prevent further spine damage to crash
victims en route to the ER.
The coolant gel - some gels can reach subfreezing - helped produce
Dyn-O-Vest, tested favorably by firefighters and law enforcement in
Miami and Pompano Beach as a means of keeping their body temperatures
normal amid extreme heat.
Dyn-O-Moist is designed as a long-lasting, in-ground plant moisturizer;
Dyn-O-Trim, a tea bag design that soaks up grease from a cooking pan.
And Cordani says he just licensed Dyn-O-Drug Detector, a straw that,
when placed in a cocktail, will change color if any of 10 drugs have
tainted the drink - including the date-rape drug Rohypnol.
And that's only some of them.
"Sure, I want to make money," he says. "Mostly, I'm just a regular guy."
In the eye of the storm.
[photos] The summer sky over Jupiter glowers above Peter Cordani, the
inventor of a substance he believes can weaken hurricanes, before they
reach land.; Hands sprinkle Dyn-O-Gel into a bowl of water.; Hands scoop
the Dyn-O-Gel that has transformed the water; into a clear gel.; After
coating his hand with a fire retardant he's invented, Peter Cordani
shows that the flame of a blowtorch can penetrate wood but not harm his
skin. One of several related products, this gel is being tested by
firefighters; in Montana and Portugal.
[photographer: Cherie Diez]
Copyright 2003 Times Publishing Company
tj Frazir
look out moron max lives at the end of tornato ally ,,in a 56 5th wheel
.hehe
Once in awile Ill see it rain behind the ship in the tropics as the
ship cuts threw humid air and cools it. takes about 25 knots going
into a 5 mph wind at sunrise for a 130 foot wide ship to make it rain
behind it.
I saw a ship start a storm once . The air going over a flattop made a
cloud on the other side of it and befor it got over the horisen it was
a full blown squal.
Whale of a tail but its all true I swear on my tatto.
Randy Poe
> Not an expert, criticism is expected.
>
> The more I've studied the *art* of hurricane
> forecasting, such as where Frances will go, and
> how strong will she blow, I sense the current
> state of the art is on par with Wiggi boards,
Nitpick: The word is Ouija
> and stock broker advice.
Now, now. Weather prediction isn't perfect, but it's getting
better. The weather system is probably chaotic, and the
simulations work with inadequately specified input. The
ideal model would be do finite-element analysis in all
three dimensions of the atmosphere, especially the
sea-air interface, but I don't think the weather
forecasters have the computing power to do that and
their models are nearly 2-D, only a few cells deep. Even
with supercomputers.
Poke around www.noaa.gov if you want to know about the
forecasting models. That's the US governments official
forecasting and weather-data agency.
- Randy
robert j. kolker
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>>Storm path is unpredictable for fundamental mathematical reasons.
>
>
> No it's not, it's difficult yes, like putting
> on a hilly wet green, but with improved theory
> and more data trajectory prediction improves.
> Think Voyager!
The storm is a chaotic process. You would have to know the boundry
conditions to an infinite number of decimal places to compute its course
perfectly.
Bob Kolker
ji...@specsol-spam-sux.com
Sure it is; we all know the things you say are not the product of a
deranged mind. wink, wink.
Why do you quote a wind speed in mph when sailors and marine weather
services use knots?
Not that we don't believe you are a sailor. wink, wink.
--
Jim Pennino
Remove -spam-sux to reply.
hanson
news:28207-413...@storefull-3217.bay.webtv.net...
> Once in a while Ill see it rain behind the ship in the tropics
> as the ship cuts threw humid air and cools it. It takes about
> wide ship to make it rain behind it.
> I saw a ship start a storm once . The air going over a flattop
> horizon it was a full blown squall.
>
>
Cool tj, ...one can see the same type phenomena
with/by/from aircraft. In 1944/45 it rained every
afternoon over Germany after each morning bomb
run by the allies.
Now, you or anybody else please tell me why:
..... in a Hurricane (on TV), why do
the outer bands turn clock wise ..... but
the inner bands turn counter clock wise?
What the mechanism, the physics of this?
hanson
PS:In the next 48 hrs there's supposed to be a large
earthquake rocking the region East of San Diego, CA.
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu
anything to an infinite number of decimal places to compute its future
development perfectly. So? What's at issue is how well I need to
know the boundary conditions to compute the outcome well enough.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
me...@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Morituri-Max
> Trailer parks ,,,eheh BK.
> look out moron max lives at the end of tornato ally ,,in a 56 5th wheel
> .hehe
Says the twit who can't even figure out where I live... with all the money in
the world and he can't hire a PI... instead he trolls the internet looking for
6-year old outdated information..
Really sad..
Ken S. Tucker
This may be a strange rebuttal, but here goes.
A hurricane is not a chaotic process, although
at first glance it appears so. Chaos is caused
by repulsion and causes disorganization, the
problem with hurricanes is they become self
organizing as the winds become less random and
chaotic, and more uniformily moving in the
same direction, at 100-160 mph. It's a *positive
feedback* that organizes a hurricane and makes
it grow.
I think the thing to figure out is the positive
feedback structure, macroscopically at least.
Like so many natural things, they go where they grow.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
Ken S. Tucker
Ken S. Tucker
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jmfb...@aol.com
dyna...@vianet.on.ca (Ken S. Tucker) wrote:
>Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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>> > A wing of B-52's using *cloud seeding ordinance*
>> > would probably be required to make a definite
>> > difference, and the cost savings should be worth
>> > the mission, especially when lives are at stake.
>> > Besides the USAF can charge it to bombing practice,
>> > and save a few bags of flour, for the hungry.
>
>[snip junk]
>
>> Airdrop huge tonnages of silicone oil to form a surface vapor
>> barrier. HA HA HA.
>
>No, that doesn't work when the surf's up.
>If an early forming hurricane could be gently
>deflected into less humid waters and possibly
>south of the equator by humidity control, (cloud
>seeding ordinance CO2) then the Coriolos deflection
>*might* confuse the cell into dissappation.
Don't hurricanes stir up the ocean? Some species may depend
on the pot getting stirred for food. The way to reduce
death and costs of storms is to not live on the beaches
and in tin cans.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
ZZBunker
That is hardly true, since you can control storm
movement easily, given that the "infinite"
presicion only exists in the idiot minds
of mathematicians to even being with.
Since the only reason chaos theory itself
even exists, is because chemists and
their non-existent QM Huygens principle
are merely the intellectual equivalvent of
physicists and Carl Sagen.
>
> Bob Kolker
ZZBunker
> > Ken S. Tucker wrote:
> >
> > >>Storm path is unpredictable for fundamental mathematical reasons.
> > >
> > >
> > > No it's not, it's difficult yes, like putting
> > > on a hilly wet green, but with improved theory
> > > and more data trajectory prediction improves.
> > > Think Voyager!
> >
> > The storm is a chaotic process. You would have to know the boundry
> > conditions to an infinite number of decimal places to compute its course
> > perfectly.
> >
> > Bob Kolker
>
> This may be a strange rebuttal, but here goes.
> A hurricane is not a chaotic process, although
> at first glance it appears so. Chaos is caused
> by repulsion and causes disorganization, the
> problem with hurricanes is they become self
> organizing as the winds become less random and
> chaotic, and more uniformily moving in the
> same direction, at 100-160 mph. It's a *positive
> feedback* that organizes a hurricane and makes
> it grow.
But that is quite easily proven though.
Given that Hurricanes, just like Typhoons,
and the Mississippi River, and New York City,
and Los Angelos, and the Atlantic and Pacifc Oceans,
and NOAH, and the Navy, and NASA, and elevators cannot
possibly be chaotic. Since their formation and movement
depends entirely on pressure and temperature gradients, not mph.
But hurricanes like blizzards are severe
hyper-chaotic processes, with historic rankings.
Since they spawn tornadoe cells by the thoushands
and millions, which is what Chaos Theory is
really applied to.