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jdawe

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:21:23 PM11/18/09
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The aether cannot be 'physical'.

If it were it would break the dual opposing way of the universe.

We would have 3 physical things:

Energy

or

Matter

or

Aether.

Therefore aether = non-physical.

So what non-physical 'nothing' or 'thing' is aether ?

Mitch: " aether = time ".

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There are only 2 opposing things in this universe a physical thing and
a non-physical thing:

Mass

or

Time

There are only 2 opposing states those 2 opposing physical\non-
physical things can be in:

In Motion

or

At Rest

When mass\time is In Motion it generates physical\non-physical
attraction.

When mass\time is At Rest it generates physical\non-physical
repulsion.

---------------------------------------------------

Within mass are our 2 opposing physical things:

Energy

or

Matter

Within time are our 2 opposing non-physical things:

Future

or

Past

Within In Motion or At Rest both energy\matter or future\past move in
only 2 opposing ways:

Linear

or

Circular

Within Linear or Circular movement energy\matter or future\past can go
in only 2 opposing ways:

Forward

or

Reverse

--------------------------------------------

-Josh.

PS:

Special thanks to Mitch for his aether = time.

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:24:36 PM11/18/09
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On Nov 18, 9:21 pm, jdawe <mrjd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The aether cannot be 'physical'.
>
> If it were it would break the dual opposing way of the universe.
>
> We would have 3 physical things:
>
> Energy
>
> or
>
> Matter
>
> or
>
> Aether.
>
> Therefore aether = non-physical.
>

A=Mc^2 where A is aether and M is matter. Matter transitioning to
aether is energy.

jdawe

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:27:01 PM11/18/09
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> aether is energy.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Matter transitions into energy.

or

Energy transitions into matter.

There is no inbetween.

E = ~M

or

M = ~E

Where

E = Energy.

M = Matter.

-Josh.

BURT

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:29:12 PM11/18/09
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The aether is immaterial. It is time. If time wasn't physical it would
not belong in physics.

Mitch Raemsch

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:29:23 PM11/18/09
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What is energy? What happens to the mass of the matter when it
transitions to energy?

Nothing occurs to the mass. The matter transitions to aether. The
effect the transition has on the surrounding aether and matter is
energy.

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:30:09 PM11/18/09
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But an immaterial aether does? The aether is uncompressed matter.

jdawe

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:33:44 PM11/18/09
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> Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -

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If aether\time is physical please provide me with a physical sample.

You cannot have:

Physical

without

Non-Physical

or

Non-Physical

without

Physical

-Josh.


BURT

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:36:37 PM11/18/09
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Energy is in point of infinitely small flowing. It is infinitely dense
immaterial. Quantitatively it is C squared multiplied by Gamma. Or
rest mass plus flow energy.

Aether is flowing over it giving it its marching orders. Aether is
point 1/infinity size.

Finite density energy surrounding is not mass and does not weigh.
These are the two energies in the aether. And the aether is in them.

Mitch Raemsch

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:38:05 PM11/18/09
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Physics is the study of physical behaviors in nature. There is no such
thing as non-physical in physics. If you want to discuss non-physical
behaviors you should post to a quantum 'physics' forum because they
believe in all sorts of non-physical behaviors which have nothing to
do with physics (i.e. instantaneous action at a distance,
entanglement, delayed choice, quantum eraser, and whatever non-
physical nonsense they misinterpret the observed behaviors in a double
slit experiment as).

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:39:41 PM11/18/09
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Energy is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the
surrounding aether and matter.

jdawe

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:46:22 PM11/18/09
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On Nov 19, 12:36 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Aether is flowing over it giving it its marching orders. Aether is
> point 1/infinity size.

You can either have flow:

Over ( around )

or

Through

although aether is non-physical therefore it cannot have physical
flow.

> Finite density energy surrounding is not mass and does not weigh.

Mass =

energy

or

matter.

Whether or not the mass weighs ( is in an attraction field or
repulsion field of other energy\matter ) does not matter.

> These are the two energies in the aether.

Within energy\matter there are 2 opposing forms energy\matter can
take.

-Josh.

jdawe

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:48:36 PM11/18/09
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> slit experiment as).- Hide quoted text -

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you cannot study only one way of an opposing way universe.

Both:

physical

or

non-physical

study are equally required for maximum progression.

-Josh.

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:49:58 PM11/18/09
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Not in physics. Physics IS the study of the physical.

jdawe

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:53:03 PM11/18/09
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> surrounding aether and matter.- Hide quoted text -

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Therefore you are saying:

Matter

or

Aether

are 2 opposing forces.

Matter is the inverse of aether. Aether is the inverse of matter.

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Matter turns into energy.

or

Energy turns into matter.

Energy is therefore the inverse of matter.

Matter is therefore the inverse of energy.

-Josh.

jdawe

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:54:58 PM11/18/09
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> Not in physics. Physics IS the study of the physical.- Hide quoted text -

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I am not studying physics ( physical ).

I am studying:

The

physical

or

non-physical

way of the universe.

If you don't like it then feel free to not read my posts.

-Josh.

BURT

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:56:51 PM11/18/09
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> surrounding aether and matter.- Hide quoted text -

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The atom and light are but aether/energy forms influenced by God's
primary chain of order in the immaterial flow.

Mitch Raemsch

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:57:23 PM11/18/09
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Aether and matter are different states of the same stuff. Matter is
compressed aether. When matter decompresses and expands into aether
there is an increase in volume. This increase in volume and the effect
it has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy.

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:59:11 PM11/18/09
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You are bringing in spiritualism way too early into the conversation.
We need to figure everything else out and when we have figured
everything else out we can discuss how something comes from nothing.

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 10:00:49 PM11/18/09
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There is no such thing as non-physical in the universe when discussing
physics.

BURT

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Nov 18, 2009, 10:01:43 PM11/18/09
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> it has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text -

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no. Unfication is togetherness not sameness.

Mitch Raemsch

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 10:08:53 PM11/18/09
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In article <a71c2c93-f4a6-4ee7-9237-7cc973486314
@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, macro...@yahoo.com says...

When matter transitions into aether, the matter is physically
decompressing and becoming aether. When you pop a balloon what happens
to the air which was compressed within the balloon? It becomes
decompressed, but it is the same air. When you pop the balloon and the
air hits your face, that is energy, but its the same air.

BURT

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Nov 18, 2009, 10:28:43 PM11/18/09
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There is non-physical light.

Mitch Raemsch

Sam Wormley

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Nov 18, 2009, 10:51:18 PM11/18/09
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Why is the conversion factor c^2 ?

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 10:59:18 PM11/18/09
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My guess is it is related to the inverse square law. Something to do
with matter converting to aether at c in three dimensions.

BURT

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:07:01 PM11/18/09
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> with matter converting to aether at c in three dimensions.- Hide quoted text -

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Energy comes out of the atom.

Mitch Raemsch

mpc755

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:08:32 PM11/18/09
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Yes, when the matter which is the atom transitions to aether, the
increase in volume the aether occupies and the effect the transition

BURT

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:32:37 PM11/18/09
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> has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy.- Hide quoted text -

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The core of energy in the atom is point energy. Aether flows over
point energy.

Mitch Raemsch

Sam Wormley

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:41:35 PM11/18/09
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What do you mean, "your guess"? I thought you had worked out
your aether theory and derived this equation A = Mc^2.

c^2 doesn't have anything to do with Newton's inverse square
law. Her is how Einstein derived his relationship between Energy
and Mass, E = mc^2 .
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

Inertial

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:48:31 PM11/18/09
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"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:304Nm.136201$5n1.13139@attbi_s21...

> mpc755 wrote:
>> On Nov 18, 10:51 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>> mpc755 wrote:
>
>>>> A=Mc^2 where A is aether and M is matter. Matter transitioning to
>>>> aether is energy.
>>> Why is the conversion factor c^2 ?
>>
>> My guess is it is related to the inverse square law. Something to do
>> with matter converting to aether at c in three dimensions.
>
> What do you mean, "your guess"? I thought you had worked out
> your aether theory and derived this equation A = Mc^2.

This is hilarious.

mpc755

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:16:42 AM11/19/09
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"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands at 'c' in three
dimensional space and it has everything to do with Newton's inverse
square law.

mpc755

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:21:36 AM11/19/09
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"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands at 'c' in three

dimensions and has everything to do with Newton's inverse square law.

mpc755

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:26:16 AM11/19/09
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"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands at 'c' in three

dimensions and has everything to do with Newton's inverse square law.

The reason for the guess is it could be a matter of volume. Aether may
occupy c^2 more three dimensional space than matter, but I'm guessing
it has more to do with the rate of propagation of the transition.

mpc755

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:39:48 AM11/19/09
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"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands at 'c' in three
dimensions and has everything to do with Newton's inverse square law.

The reason for the guess is it could be a matter of volume. Aether may
occupy c^2 more three dimensional space than matter, but I'm guessing
it has more to do with the rate of propagation of the transition.

I realize you have somehow been able to convince yourself of the
ridiculous nonsense that mass becomes energy. I also realize you are
like most others on this forum who have mistaken mathematics for
nature. Mass does not become energy. Mass is not created nor
destroyed. Energy is the effect mass transitioning from one state to
another has on its surroundings.

mpc755

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:49:50 AM11/19/09
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"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands at 'c' in three
dimensions and has everything to do with Newton's inverse square law.

The reason for the guess is it could be a matter of volume. Aether may
occupy c^2 more three dimensional space than matter, but I'm guessing
it has more to do with the rate of propagation of the transition.

I realize you have somehow been able to convince yourself of the

ridiculous nonsense that matter becomes energy. I also realize you are


like most others on this forum who have mistaken mathematics for

nature. Matter does not become energy. Matter is not created nor
destroyed. Energy is the effect matter transitioning from one state to

mpc755

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:59:34 AM11/19/09
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"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands at 'c' in three
dimensions and has everything to do with Newton's inverse square law.

The reason for the guess is it could be a matter of volume. Aether may
occupy c^2 more three dimensional space than matter, but I'm guessing
it has more to do with the rate of propagation of the transition.

I realize you have somehow been able to convince yourself of the
ridiculous nonsense that matter becomes energy. I also realize you are
like most others on this forum who have mistaken mathematics for
nature. Matter does not become energy. Matter is not created nor

destroyed. The physical effects of matter transitioning from one state
to another is energy.

Uncle Al

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Nov 19, 2009, 10:36:04 AM11/19/09
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glird

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:13:50 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 18, 9:27 pm, jdawe <mrjd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 19, 12:24 pm, mpc755 wrote:
>
> > A=Mc^2 where A is aether and M is matter.
> > Matter transitioning to aether is energy.
>
> Matter transitions into energy.
> or
> Energy transitions into matter.
>
> There is no inbetween.
>
> E = ~M
> or
> M = ~E
> Where E = Energy. M = Matter.
>
> -Josh.

There is a far fetched way to allow that energy and matter could be
interconvertible; but in present terms it is impossible.
In almost all present equations, the m represents the weight - in
grams - of an object rather than its "mass" - which denotes "a
quantity of matter" whether or not it has any weight.

glird

BURT

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:23:27 PM11/22/09
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> glird- Hide quoted text -

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Mass is infinitely concentrated C^2Gamma energy. It responds to
gravity. The less dense energy of force bond surrounds mass point
particle. This is Electric bond energy and Strong bond energy. These
do not weigh. And the differnce has been measured. Once unbonded
outside the atom they are heavier.

Mitch Raemsch

glird

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:24:22 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 18, 9:39 pm, mpc755 wrote:

> Energy is the effect matter transitioning to
>aether has on the surrounding aether and matter.

Although that is true if matter is atomic and aether is the
continuous form of the same material out of which atoms are made, the
word "energy" includes far more than that.

glird

BURT

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:36:57 PM11/22/09
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No. Aether is the higher form not energy. This is my message.

Mitch Raemsch

mpc755

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:46:44 PM11/22/09
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Not when discussing E=mc^2. When discussing E=mc^2, and:

'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
EINSTEIN'
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

In the above statement, the mass of the body diminishes, but the
matter associated with the mass of the body that diminishes doesn't
disappear. It doesn't cease to exist. It still exists, as aether. The
effect the matter associated with the diminished mass transitioning to
aether has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy.

BURT

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:52:04 PM11/22/09
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Light motion is fastest but it has no energy of flow. This can be
proved. If it did all light would have a constant energy that is
kinetic. All light would have the energy of the C constant in the
aether. This is clearly not the case. But its real energy is in its
frequency or its waving in time-aether.

Mitch Raemsch

glird

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:54:07 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 18, 9:49 pm, mpc755 wrote:
>
> Physics IS the study of the physical.

Alas no, mpc. As of now, Physics is the study of equations that
quantify relations between numerical quantities we obtained by
measuring things; regardless of the fact that physicists neither know
nor care what the things so measured physically are.
The study of the physical realities our equations treat is
"Metaphysics"; so named by the ancient Greek philosophers who listed
it under "Philosophy" and above "Physics" in the categories of things
that humans study.

glird

mpc755

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:07:31 PM11/22/09
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I guess I should have said physics should be the study of the
physical.

Physicists care about the underlying physical reality of nature.
Unfortunately, they are mathematicians first and foremost who are
unable to understand the difference between mathematics and nature.
Physicists see E=mc^2 and see the 'E' on one side off the equation and
'm' on the other and conclude energy is mass, or mass becomes energy,
without the slightest understanding of how screwed up the very concept
of that is.

BURT

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:26:13 PM11/22/09
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> of that is.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Infinitely dense energy is mass C^2Gamma. It weighs. Finite density
does not. It is field with a small range. The magentic field aether
also has a range and no energy of its own but it gives and takes
energy from energy by effecting its motion-flow.

Mitch Raemsch

BURT

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:29:12 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 22, 7:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> of that is.- Hide quoted text -
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Applying mathmatics to physics too soon was what happened to Einstein
and it was a mistake to follow what math did with his theory. Math
connected space and time as dimension. Time fills space and is thus
three dimensional. There is only one higher dimension. And it is
spatial. Cosmology will call it hypersphere when I am through.

M<itch Raemsch

mpc755

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:31:38 PM11/22/09
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I should have added that the problem in physics isn't going to change
any time soon when physicists insist a wave function probability is a
physical description of nature. It has 'function' and 'probability' in
it! And when told there is a physical aether displacement wave in a
double slit experiment they refuse to believe in aether, thinking
'function' and 'probability' are better representative of nature. It's
ridiculous.

mpc755

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:35:17 PM11/22/09
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On Nov 22, 10:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

I should have added that the problem in physics isn't going to change


any time soon when physicists insist a wave function probability is a

physical description of nature. When told there is a physical aether

BURT

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:35:16 PM11/22/09
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> of that is.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You're the screw up. Energy comes out of matter in the aether and the
aether is in it in quantity.

Mitch Raemsch

mpc755

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:40:38 PM11/22/09
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I think what you meant to say is, in E=mc^c, the effect matter
transitioning to aether has on the surrounding aether and matter is
energy.

BURT

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Nov 22, 2009, 11:36:51 PM11/22/09
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> energy.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Space flow is flowing over energy.

Mitch Raemsch

mpc755

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Nov 22, 2009, 11:39:35 PM11/22/09
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BURT

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Nov 22, 2009, 11:57:48 PM11/22/09
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Energy is a lower concept than the aether. Point energy is infinitely
dense and infinitely small in size. Aether point flows over it
ordering it in time flow.

Mitch Raemsch

mpc755

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Nov 23, 2009, 7:49:11 AM11/23/09
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Energy, at least in E=mc^2, is the effect matter transitioning to
aether has on the surrounding aether and matter.

Szczepan Bialek

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"BURT" <macro...@yahoo.com> wrote
news:084f2c01-f0c5-482f...@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

On Nov 22, 6:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 9:24 pm, glird <gl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> > On Nov 18, 9:39 pm, mpc755 wrote:
>
>> > > Energy is the effect matter transitioning to
> > >aether has on the surrounding aether and matter.
>
>> > Although that is true if matter is atomic and aether is the
> > continuous form of the same material out of which atoms are made, the
> > word "energy" includes far more than that.
>
>> > glird
>
>> Not when discussing E=mc^2. When discussing E=mc^2, and:
>
>> 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
> EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
>> "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> diminishes by L/c2."
>
>> In the above statement, the mass of the body diminishes, but the
> matter associated with the mass of the body that diminishes doesn't
> disappear. It doesn't cease to exist. It still exists, as aether. The
> effect the matter associated with the diminished mass transitioning to
> aether has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy.

>Light motion is fastest but it has no energy of flow.

Each real wave transports the mass. This is proved.
It means that the Sun produces the aether. But where and how the aether is
reworked into mass I do not know.

>This can be proved. If it did all light would have a constant energy that
>is
kinetic. All light would have the energy of the C constant in the
aether. This is clearly not the case. But its real energy is in its
frequency or its waving in time-aether.

Some people try to describe waves with a math. To do this they must assume
many simplifications. But the result is the math.
In physics even one simplification is not allowed.
S*

mpc755

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On Nov 23, 5:29 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:
> "BURT" <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrotenews:084f2c01-f0c5-482f...@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 22, 6:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 9:24 pm, glird <gl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Nov 18, 9:39 pm, mpc755 wrote:
>
> >> > > Energy is the effect matter transitioning to
> > > >aether has on the surrounding aether and matter.
>
> >> > Although that is true if matter is atomic and aether is the
> > > continuous form of the same material out of which atoms are made, the
> > > word "energy" includes far more than that.
>
> >> > glird
>
> >> Not when discussing E=mc^2. When discussing E=mc^2, and:
>
> >> 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A.
> > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf
>
> >> "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
> > diminishes by L/c2."
>
> >> In the above statement, the mass of the body diminishes, but the
> > matter associated with the mass of the body that diminishes doesn't
> > disappear. It doesn't cease to exist. It still exists, as aether. The
> > effect the matter associated with the diminished mass transitioning to
> > aether has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy.
> >Light motion is fastest but it has no energy of flow.
>
> Each real wave transports the mass. This is proved.
> It means that the Sun produces the aether. But where and how the aether is
> reworked into mass I do not know.
>

The Sun produces the aether wave. When the aether wave is detected,
what is occurring is the aether wave 'collapses' and is detected as a
quantum of aether.

BURT

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Nov 23, 2009, 8:53:29 PM11/23/09
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> > S*- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The atom is part immaterial aether. It thus is also an aether form.
Energy is released by the order of the Aether.

Mitch Raemsch

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Nov 23, 2009, 10:10:02 PM11/23/09
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A material atom, which I interpret to mean nucleus, is immaterial?

The aether between the nuclei of atoms is matter in its base state,
and as such it is material.

BURT

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Nov 23, 2009, 10:12:51 PM11/23/09
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> and as such it is material.- Hide quoted text -

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The Aether is inbetween energy forms light and atom in space.

Mitch Raemsch

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Nov 23, 2009, 10:16:19 PM11/23/09
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Aether and matter is the same stuff in different states of existence.
Matter is compressed aether. When matter decompresses to aether, the
expanding matter's effect on the surrounding aether and matter is
energy.

BURT

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Nov 23, 2009, 10:32:02 PM11/23/09
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The principle of sameness is wrong.

Mitch Raemsch

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Nov 24, 2009, 9:37:27 AM11/24/09
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Matter is compressed aether. Aether is matter in its base form.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf

"If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass
diminishes by L/c2."

The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer
exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as
aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands at 'c' in three
dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether
and matter is energy.

Raymond Yohros

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:09:39 AM11/24/09
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On Nov 19, 10:36 am, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
> jdawe wrote:
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> > The aether cannot be 'physical'.
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> [snip crap]
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> http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031
> Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
> <http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf>  
>  No aether
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> <http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html>http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287
>  No Lorentz violation
>
> idiot
>

why do they keep on going with that aether thing . . .
that delutional cloud has been infesting everything
for so long. it reminds me of the dark ages of steady state!
uneducateble people


BURT

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Nov 24, 2009, 3:25:11 PM11/24/09
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Energy is together with the aether. Sometimes they are one but not all
the time. This is for time-energy when falling in gravity.

Mitch Raemsch

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Nov 24, 2009, 3:56:50 PM11/24/09
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'Falling in gravity' is the effect the displaced aether has pushing on
objects. That is why objects fall at 32ft/s^2. There is increasingly
more displaced aether pushing the object 'down' as it continues to
'fall'.

BURT

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Nov 24, 2009, 11:33:06 PM11/24/09
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Space flow pushes from the inside.

Mitch Raemsch

BURT

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Nov 24, 2009, 11:41:34 PM11/24/09
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So aether collects in gravity? Should it not flow faster? and create
faster time in the strength of gravity?

Mitch Raemsch

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Nov 25, 2009, 9:02:25 AM11/25/09
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Aether becomes entrained by massive objects. There is a connectedness
to the Earth and the Aether. You can consider the Moon to be
'floating' in the Earth's aether vortex. But, the entrained aether is
not responsible for gravity. Jupiter's outer moons orbit in the
opposite direction of its inner moons. The outer moons 'fell out of'
Jupiter's aether whirlpool but remain in orbit due to Jupiter's
displaced aether which is pushing back.

Here is a video of a hurricane. Near the end of the video (around the
0:50 mark), the clouds to the right of the hurricane appear to start
going in the opposite direction as the hurricane's rotation. Now, if
there were enough pressure (i.e. pushing back) towards the hurricane,
the clouds would continue to rotate around the eye of the hurricane in
the opposite direction of the inner clouds. This is what is occurring
with Jupiter and its satellites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SLXYRJnYm0

glird

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Dec 11, 2009, 2:55:51 PM12/11/09
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On Nov 23, 7:49 am, mpc755 <mpc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Energy, at least in E=mc^2, is the effect matter transitioning to
> aether has on the surrounding aether and matter.

Energy is the ability to do work, in any and all equations. Work is
equal to mass times the distance it is moved. A mass is a quantity of
matter. When an atomic reaction occurs, some of the matter is emitted
along with a huge amount of energy. When that happens, some of the
released material has no weight (it is called "dark matter" for that
an allied reasons, none of which are known by physicists) and the
weight of the remaining material in the products of the reaction has
less weight than efore the reaction happened. The m in e = mc^2
represents the WEIGHT of a given mass, not the quantity of matter in
it either before or after or during a reaction.
That holds good in m_2 = m_1/q, where m_1 is the weight of a mass
when at rest on Earth under standard conditions, m_2 is its weight
when moving at v, q is my symbol for sqrt(1-v^2/c^2), and c is the
speed of light in the very dilute material that fills a vacuum.
Many decades ago I asked a friend who happened to be a mathematics
Professor at Rutger U, the following rhetorical question, "How can the
amount of matter a body possesses depend on who's looking at
it?" (We'd been discussing physic's interpretation of that little
equation as meaning that m_2 denoted the mass
of a given body moving at v RELATIVE TO A GIVEN OBSERVER. Since the
value of v, thus of q, thus of m_2 is a function of v, and THAT
depends on the state of motion of each differently moving observer, my
"question" was actually an argument against the notion that MATTER can
be converted into energy.) That's why i said it was "rhetorical".
It took about another 25 years for me to realize, one day, that the
trouble is that the m in almost all the equations of Physics,
including the above two, is measured in grams of WEIGHT, rather than
in densa - a unit i had invented because there isn't any unit
restricted to the quantity of matter present whether or not it has
weight in a g-field.

glird

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Dec 11, 2009, 3:18:37 PM12/11/09
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All matter has mass. Including aether. Another way to think of 'densa'
is the amount of aether the matter is able to displace. When an atomic
reaction occurs, some of the matter transitions to aether, the effects
of which are a huge amount of energy.

G=EMC^2 Glazier

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Dec 13, 2009, 9:38:37 AM12/13/09
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mpc Feynman sums up the universe with one word "ELECTRON" I use one
word to also sum up the universe "ENERGY" Bert

BURT

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Dec 13, 2009, 6:35:24 PM12/13/09
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Not all aether has mass. Mass is not everywhere.

Mitch Raemsch

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BURT

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Dec 14, 2009, 11:02:44 PM12/14/09
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Aether is part of energy in that it flows over it. This is the time
relationship. Energy flows taking aether with it.

Mitch Raemsch

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Dec 14, 2009, 11:12:51 PM12/14/09
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The moving C-60 molecule creates a displacement wave in the substance
of space directly in front of the path it is traveling. This displaced
aether displaces the neighboring aether which displaces the
neighboring aether, and so on. This displaced aether forms a wave. The
particle cannot be detected without detecting the displacement wave.
Detecting 'which way' means detecting the particle. Detecting the
particle means detecting the displacement wave.

Detecting 'which way' turns the displacement wave into chop.

Detecting 'which way' destroys the displacement wave.

Destroying the displacement wave causes there to be no interference
and the direction the C-60 molecule travels is not altered.

Not detecting 'which way' and the displacement wave exits the slits
and creates interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule
travels.

BURT

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Dec 14, 2009, 11:19:48 PM12/14/09
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Aether is around the atom. It causes vibration push.

Mitch Raemsch

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