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HVAC
Oct 5, 2012, 5:56:38 AM10/5/12
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Einstein letter, set for auction, shows scientist challenging idea of
God, being 'chosen'
Decades before atheist scientist and author Richard Dawkins called God a
"delusion," one world-renowned physicist - Albert Einstein - was
weighing in on faith matters with his own strong words.
“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of
human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still
primitive legends,” Einstein wrote in German in a 1954 letter that will
be auctioned on eBay later this month. "No interpretation no matter how
subtle can (for me) change this.”
Dubbed Einstein’s “God Letter” by the Los Angeles-based auction agency
that's posting it online, the original document will be up for grabs
starting Monday. The opening bid: $3 million.
The letter provides a window into the famed genius's religious beliefs.
Einstein wrote it to Jewish philosopher Eric Gutkind, one year before
Einstein died, in reaction to Gutkind’s book, “Choose Life: The Biblical
Call to Revolt.”
“I’ve been managing high profile auctions since 2005, and this is the
most historically significant item to come up ... since I’ve been doing
auctions,” said Eric Gazin, president of Auction Cause, the group that's
organizing the eBay auction.
Einstein was “one of the most brilliant minds to ever live, but so much
of what we know is scientific. … As related to God and Judaism, this is
so significant. It really lends itself to further study,” Gazin told
CNN. “No one even knew this letter existed till recently.”
But Diana Kormos Buchwald, a history professor at the California
Institute of Technology and the director of the Einstein Papers Project,
says that's not true.
She said copies of this letter, not to mention numerous additional
writings reflecting similar sentiments, have been known to researchers
and available for decades, both in the Pasadena-based Einstein Papers
Project and The Albert Einstein Archives at Hebrew University in Jerusalem.
The Einstein Papers Project recently published its 13th volume of
Einstein’s collected papers.
Einstein, who was raised a secular Jew, was open about his religious
views starting in the 1920s, when he became a public figure after
winning the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics, Buchwald said. And biographers,
including Walter Isaacson, have documented Einstein’s faith journey.
“There are no revelations here,” Buchwald said of the so-called God
letter. “But it is frank in the sense that there are other writings
where he says he understands a need for religion and is not derogatory.
… Here he makes his own position very clear.”
In the letter about to be offered on eBay, Einstein drove home his
strong opposition to the idea that Jews, or any people, may be “chosen.”
Here’s part of what he wrote, according to the Auction Cause translation:
For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an
incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to
whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity
have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my
experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups … I
cannot see anything ‘chosen’ about them.
Buchwald, who has dedicated her life to making Einstein’s works
available, believes any discussion of historic documents has value, but
she is critical of how this letter is being presented.
There are word choices in the translation that she, as a German speaker,
would tweak. She also doesn’t get why it’s said to be written on
Princeton University letterhead, when a blown-up image shows it wasn't.
Einstein wasn’t even employed there, she pointed out; he was with the
Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, not at Princeton.
Though she views such incongruities as "a bit muddy," she said she
wishes the auction agency and seller luck. "It's just hype. ... I don't
have a horse in this race."
The letter first became fodder for public discussion and mass
fascination when the original sold at a London auction in May 2008 and
“poured gasoline on the culture wars between science and religion,” The
New York Times reported. Back then, it fetched a mere $404,000. Among
the bidders who reportedly lost out that time around: big-name atheist
and author Richard Dawkins.
Gazin of Auction Cause, which pairs marketing with charities, said the
2008 anonymous buyer sought his group out for the Einstein letter's sale
after noting the agency's other successes. Topping the list: the $2.1
million raked in for an October 2007 letter from Senate Majority Leader
Harry Reid, and signed by 41 other Democrat leaders, demanding an
apology from Rush Limbaugh.
"More than a few” potential buyers have gotten prequalified to enter
this upcoming Einstein letter bidding war, Gazin said. He described
those expressing interest so far as people in the technology and atheist
communities, as well as university and public museums.
At the current owner’s request, Gazin said, an unspecified portion of
the letter's proceeds will go to cancer research.
For those not interested in such heady materials, Auction Cause is
offering some less profound items on eBay this month: the dress Maria
Menounos wore to the Emmys; shoes from Kourtney Kardashian's closet and
time with Howard Stern in the shock-jock's studio.
--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
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G=EMC^2
Oct 5, 2012, 8:36:31 AM10/5/12
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equation are now lucky,fo in 50 years it will be worth big bucks. I
predict it. TeBet
Hägar
Oct 5, 2012, 10:15:03 AM10/5/12
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"G=EMC^2" <herbert...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:050113c4-6741-44d0...@o8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 5, 5:56 am, HVAC <mr.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Einstein letter, set for auction, shows scientist challenging idea of
> God, being 'chosen'
< snipped to conserve virtual paper >
> Einstein letter, set for auction, shows scientist challenging idea of
> God, being 'chosen'
Those that took advantage of my offer buying m signed G=EMC^2 universe
equation are now lucky,fo in 50 years it will be worth big bucks. I
predict it. TeBet
you dumb-ass hick.
You are one delusional motherfucker, BirdBrain, with lucid moments, when
you're only stupid.
Fred^2
Oct 5, 2012, 11:27:48 AM10/5/12
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HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Decades before atheist scientist and author Richard Dawkins called God a "delusion"
Most of the world's populace recognizes that the Christanic gods are
>Decades before atheist scientist and author Richard Dawkins called God a "delusion"
delusions, and some 30% or so of the world's populace today recognize
all of the gods and goddesses are delusions.
It takes a lunatic mentality to think one has invisible superfriends.
Uncle Steve
Oct 5, 2012, 12:22:56 PM10/5/12
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about it is not entirely orthogonal.
Regards,
Uncle Steve
--
My people and I have come to an agreement that satisfies us both.
They are to say what they please, and I am to do what I please.
- Frederick the Great, c. 1770
4HEAD
Oct 5, 2012, 2:03:23 PM10/5/12
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On 10/5/12 7:36 AM, G=EMC^2 wrote:
> Those that took advantage of my offer buying my signed G=EMC^2 universe
> equation are now lucky, for in 50 years it will be worth big bucks.
> I predict it. TreBert
>
Bert, if you can explain the formula to my satisfaction, I will buy one.
Be as detailed as possible, and provide footnotes when needed.
If you impress me, I know how to advertise this sort of thing, and
you might sell who knows how many, probably at least 200 or more.
Can you handle that? I'm dead serious. But I want a small cut of profits.
Forehead
> Those that took advantage of my offer buying my signed G=EMC^2 universe
> equation are now lucky, for in 50 years it will be worth big bucks.
> I predict it. TreBert
>
Bert, if you can explain the formula to my satisfaction, I will buy one.
Be as detailed as possible, and provide footnotes when needed.
If you impress me, I know how to advertise this sort of thing, and
you might sell who knows how many, probably at least 200 or more.
Can you handle that? I'm dead serious. But I want a small cut of profits.
Forehead
Double-A
Oct 5, 2012, 2:41:34 PM10/5/12
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> predict it. TeBet
I can hardly wait! Time flies!
Double-A
Painius
Oct 6, 2012, 12:17:49 AM10/6/12
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:27:48 GMT, rep...@scientology.org (Fred^2)
wrote:
Atheists tend to inflate these figures, as do theists and agnostics.
Since I myself do not fall into any of those classifications, I can be
more objective...
According to the census bureau, as of Oct 1 the world population is
approximately:
7.042 billion people
http://www.census.gov/population/popclockworld.html
The *broadest* figure I could find for all atheists, to include
atheists, agnostic atheists and atheistic religions, such as some
Buddhists is:
1.1 billion people
So the percentage of people who might be said to recognize that all of
the gods and goddesses are delusions is, at most:
15.6%
(not 30%, and that 15.6% figure is more liberal than conservative).
Moreover, the latest Britannica figures, which show the numbers of
people who follow the seventeen major religions, place those who
practice faith in the Christian deity at:
62%
That figure does not include the 1.1 billion people above, so when we
add those in, the world's population of Christians comes to at least:
52.3%
of the total population of the world.
So it is safe to say that, at the very most, 47.7% of the world's
populace recognizes that the Christianic gods are delusions, and that
"most" (at least 52.3%) of the world's populace do not.
Better luck next time, Fred^2. LOL!
--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Home is where, when you go there, they *have* to let you in."
wrote:
Since I myself do not fall into any of those classifications, I can be
more objective...
According to the census bureau, as of Oct 1 the world population is
approximately:
7.042 billion people
http://www.census.gov/population/popclockworld.html
The *broadest* figure I could find for all atheists, to include
atheists, agnostic atheists and atheistic religions, such as some
Buddhists is:
1.1 billion people
So the percentage of people who might be said to recognize that all of
the gods and goddesses are delusions is, at most:
15.6%
(not 30%, and that 15.6% figure is more liberal than conservative).
Moreover, the latest Britannica figures, which show the numbers of
people who follow the seventeen major religions, place those who
practice faith in the Christian deity at:
62%
That figure does not include the 1.1 billion people above, so when we
add those in, the world's population of Christians comes to at least:
52.3%
of the total population of the world.
So it is safe to say that, at the very most, 47.7% of the world's
populace recognizes that the Christianic gods are delusions, and that
"most" (at least 52.3%) of the world's populace do not.
Better luck next time, Fred^2. LOL!
--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Home is where, when you go there, they *have* to let you in."
HVAC
Oct 6, 2012, 6:54:59 AM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 12:17 AM, Painius wrote:
>
> Atheists tend to inflate these figures, as do theists and agnostics.
> Since I myself do not fall into any of those classifications, I can be
> more objective...
>
> According to the census bureau, as of Oct 1 the world population is
> approximately:
>
> 7.042 billion people
>
> http://www.census.gov/population/popclockworld.html
>
> The *broadest* figure I could find for all atheists, to include
> atheists, agnostic atheists and atheistic religions, such as some
> Buddhists is:
Buddha is one of the Super Friends.
>
> Atheists tend to inflate these figures, as do theists and agnostics.
> Since I myself do not fall into any of those classifications, I can be
> more objective...
>
> According to the census bureau, as of Oct 1 the world population is
> approximately:
>
> 7.042 billion people
>
> http://www.census.gov/population/popclockworld.html
>
> The *broadest* figure I could find for all atheists, to include
> atheists, agnostic atheists and atheistic religions, such as some
> Buddhists is:
>
> 1.1 billion people
>
> So the percentage of people who might be said to recognize that all of
> the gods and goddesses are delusions is, at most:
>
> 15.6%
>
> (not 30%, and that 15.6% figure is more liberal than conservative).
>
> Moreover, the latest Britannica figures, which show the numbers of
> people who follow the seventeen major religions, place those who
> practice faith in the Christian deity at:
>
> 62%
>
> That figure does not include the 1.1 billion people above, so when we
> add those in, the world's population of Christians comes to at least:
>
> 52.3%
>
> of the total population of the world.
>
> So it is safe to say that, at the very most, 47.7% of the world's
> populace recognizes that the Christianic gods are delusions, and that
> "most" (at least 52.3%) of the world's populace do not.
BroilJAB
Oct 6, 2012, 7:45:26 AM10/6/12
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I saw that while atheists fled from Hitler,
the Holy Church stood like a stonewall.
That is when I embraced their glory.
-Dr.Einstein
the Holy Church stood like a stonewall.
That is when I embraced their glory.
-Dr.Einstein
Igor Larianov
Oct 6, 2012, 7:48:13 AM10/6/12
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Hie's the brother of Super Dave Einstein.
That's film maker Albert Brooks real name.
After all. Who the fuck would take a Jewish film maker by the name of
Albert Einstein seriously?
Igor Larianov
Oct 6, 2012, 7:55:25 AM10/6/12
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On his death bed, Charles Darwin actually said "I refute my life's
work. God created the various species"
And pink porcine winged ungulates sprouted wings 10 minutes ago, flew
by my window crying "Obama is to blame for the 2008 economic disaster
and all who attacked us on 9/11 were atheists!"
Yeah, that's the ticket.
Forrest Piper
Oct 6, 2012, 8:44:40 AM10/6/12
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with regards to what would amount to a "created" man. Since man has
"dominion" over the earth, any Darwinian study of man would make
Darwin a "humanophobe", or "humanist" - if it wasn't for some kind of
intervention, through genetic manipulation.
Since Christians believe that a "Creator" created them, then
apparently to Christians (and Jews alike), the same "Creator" can do
anything he wants to, including modify and/or destroy his own
"creation".
That might make sense if the earth were a kind of zoo, and humans were
a curious form of rebel/angel factions at work, as many contend there
are.
If both Christians and Jews are wrong, and there was no "Creator",
then Darwin's case with applying his "Origin of Species", is towards a
species of hominid containing the original human genome, but would
have to have been created by intelligently (extraterrestrially?)
modifying a hominid "spontaneously", into a more advanced creature.
Why? Because there doesn't seem to be a "transition" type of human
that would bridge the gap between Neanderthal and modern man, so...
...the question of Creation vs. evolution that fits nicely with the
Atra-Hasis Chronicle:
"Let her create a Primitive Worker
And let HIM bear the yoke
Let the Worker carry the toil of the gods,
Let him bear the yoke!"
- from cuneform tablet
(Reference Ch. 5 "The Wars of the Olden Gods", p. 102 "The Wars of
Gods and Men", Zecharia Sitchin, Avon Books,(c) 1985, extracted from
the Atra Hasis Epic, that "records the events that led to the creation
of Homo Sapiens".
This creature, (let's call him the Christian and Jewish "Adam"), might
have never had time, to mutate and evolve into his present form, "Homo
Sapien"!
Evidence pointing to the beginning of so-called "modern" civilization,
revealing that within a short 2000 years, the genetic grain chromosome
pairs quadrupled, providing wheat and barley, along with fruits,
vegetables, sheep, and goats in the same Syria-Israel "highlands" and
not the plains..
linuxgal
Oct 6, 2012, 9:10:05 AM10/6/12
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Igor Larianov wrote:
> On his death bed, Charles Darwin actually said "I refute my life's
> work. God created the various species"
Well, by that time his life's work had become part of the commons. Just
> On his death bed, Charles Darwin actually said "I refute my life's
> work. God created the various species"
because Edison invented the light bulb doesn't give him the right to
recall everyone's bulbs in a deathbed pique.
--
Conservatives fear that you won't understand their proposals; liberals
fear that you will.
bja...@iwaynet.net
Oct 6, 2012, 10:55:58 AM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 8:44 AM, Forrest Piper wrote:
> Since Christians believe that a "Creator" created them, then
> apparently to Christians (and Jews alike), the same "Creator" can do
> anything he wants to, including modify and/or destroy his own
> "creation".
Obviously true. But a misconception given that God is outside of time
> Since Christians believe that a "Creator" created them, then
> apparently to Christians (and Jews alike), the same "Creator" can do
> anything he wants to, including modify and/or destroy his own
> "creation".
hence acts like "destruction of it all" are already done if they ever
are going to be.
> That might make sense if the earth were a kind of zoo, and humans were
> a curious form of rebel/angel factions at work, as many contend there
> are.
> If both Christians and Jews are wrong, and there was no "Creator",
> then Darwin's case with applying his "Origin of Species", is towards a
> species of hominid containing the original human genome, but would
> have to have been created by intelligently (extraterrestrially?)
> modifying a hominid "spontaneously", into a more advanced creature.
> Why? Because there doesn't seem to be a "transition" type of human
> that would bridge the gap between Neanderthal and modern man, so...
not "decend" from them. But that's a different story. Think advanced
alien genetics lab and you start to get closer to truth. Evolution works
to a degree but NOT to the degree needed create a homo sapiens. Problem
is the question has become political. Now any partial theories are out
of the question. It's all black or white.
> ...the question of Creation vs. evolution that fits nicely with the
> Atra-Hasis Chronicle:
>
> "Let her create a Primitive Worker
> And let HIM bear the yoke
> Let the Worker carry the toil of the gods,
> Let him bear the yoke!"
>
> - from cuneform tablet
"workers" rather than the current "root race" of man created for
self-development rather than "toil of the gods".
>
> (Reference Ch. 5 "The Wars of the Olden Gods", p. 102 "The Wars of
> Gods and Men", Zecharia Sitchin, Avon Books,(c) 1985, extracted from
> the Atra Hasis Epic, that "records the events that led to the creation
> of Homo Sapiens".
>
> This creature, (let's call him the Christian and Jewish "Adam"), might
> have never had time, to mutate and evolve into his present form, "Homo
> Sapien"!
> Evidence pointing to the beginning of so-called "modern" civilization,
> revealing that within a short 2000 years, the genetic grain chromosome
> pairs quadrupled, providing wheat and barley, along with fruits,
> vegetables, sheep, and goats in the same Syria-Israel "highlands" and
> not the plains..
history. The story of man goes back many millions of years. There were
previous civilizations as high as this one that fell in the past. All
evidence being covered up as usual. Science is always populated with
such children!
Budikka666
Oct 6, 2012, 11:00:46 AM10/6/12
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BrailJOB DENYING Jesus THRICE, shrinking away like a limp Peter at the
passion:
http://tinyurl.com/6kck7b5
http://tinyurl.com/7d2s93z
http://tinyurl.com/6wyp6se
Budikka
passion:
http://tinyurl.com/6kck7b5
http://tinyurl.com/7d2s93z
http://tinyurl.com/6wyp6se
Budikka
HVAC
Oct 6, 2012, 11:12:07 AM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 10:55 AM, bja...@teranews.com wrote:
>
> Actually there is NO "gap" between homo sapiens and Neanderthal. Man did
> not "decend" from them. But that's a different story. Think advanced
> alien genetics lab and you start to get closer to truth.
Are you stoned?
>
> Actually there is NO "gap" between homo sapiens and Neanderthal. Man did
> not "decend" from them. But that's a different story. Think advanced
> alien genetics lab and you start to get closer to truth.
HVAC
Oct 6, 2012, 11:30:56 AM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 10:55 AM, bja...@teranews.com wrote:
>
> Actually, records and evidence shows that man did NOT start with
> history. The story of man goes back many millions of years. There were
> previous civilizations as high as this one that fell in the past.
Really? Can you name and show evidence for ANY of these?
>
> Actually, records and evidence shows that man did NOT start with
> history. The story of man goes back many millions of years. There were
> previous civilizations as high as this one that fell in the past.
(I know you can't, it's a rhetorical question)
> All
> evidence being covered up as usual. Science is always populated with
> such children!
you agree? It could be used to make ANY case.
For instance, crop circles. It could be argued by people like YOU that
they are made by aliens but the evidence is being 'covered up'.
Forrest Piper
Oct 6, 2012, 11:59:17 AM10/6/12
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On Oct 6, 10:55 am, "bjac...@teranews.com" <bjac...@iwaynet.net>
wrote:
intervention" for ALL species, which IMO is a fallacy. It would be
impossible for extraterrestrials NOT to become involved with at least
SOME humans, that were a less advanced than the extraterrestrials
were, right before the start of "modern man".
> not "decend" from them. But that's a different story. Think advanced
> alien genetics lab and you start to get closer to truth. Evolution works
The "Garden of Eden", I presume?
> to a degree but NOT to the degree needed create a homo sapiens. Problem
> is the question has become political. Now any partial theories are out
I agree, but "political" only to the extent of who is protecting what
regions of the world, where all earth's history of civilization is
attempting to make its own comeback.
In THAT sense, what is the best well kept history, for the longest
living species of homo sapiens, would be the most important.
That's *one* side of the political equation.
With respect to the Syrian area of the world, Assyrians/Syriacs in
Syria have lived in north eastern Syria since 2000 BC, and are still
speaking the original language of the BIBLE, which is Aramaic. Modern
Aramaic is spoken today as a first language by numerous scattered
communities, but most significantly by Assyrians. It is an official
language of Iraq.
Jesus spoke Aramaic.
What voices are being silenced by the senseless bombing of Syria? al-
Qaeda are known killers of Christians and Jews, who unanimously agree
that the Almighty created everything (including their DNA). They (al-
Qaeda) are being backed by the CIA. Turkey is a giant war machine
being funded by U.S. interests, and is a major player in the drug
cartel – via the opium trade.
Certain economics don't add up to preserving a very healthy DNA for
certain other people, in certain "other" parts of the world.
IMO these are the enemies of mankind.
> of the question. It's all black or white.
>
More like one choosing "life or death" for oneself, isn't it?
> > ...the question of Creation vs. evolution that fits nicely with the
> > Atra-Hasis Chronicle:
>
> > "Let her create a Primitive Worker
> > And let HIM bear the yoke
> > Let the Worker carry the toil of the gods,
> > Let him bear the yoke!"
>
> > - from cuneform tablet
>
> Actually probably referring to genetically modified Neanderthal
> "workers" rather than the current "root race" of man created for
> self-development rather than "toil of the gods".
>
I've heard that these "progenitors" mined for gold for their masters,
who may have been (at least 1/3 of them), the "fallen angels" of
antiquity. However, the "original" plan was to bring the harvested
gold back to their home planet, which for some reason, had a "leaky"
atmosphere.
A certain 1/3 of these "angels" rebelled against the other 2/3, and
then began taking over the world by force. The "heavenly" angels then
caused the earth to flood, and kill most of the fallen angels, but
some of them would escape into the hollow earth, and are there to this
day.
Some believe that the Germans, towards the close of WWII, penetrated
into "Agartha", or the hollow earth, and found themselves a haven, in
which they remain protected by an Overlord.
fall into the trap of believing that they themselves are gods, and
that mankind is simply an "ongoing experiment" like the Germans did.
The problem with that, is that all races who attempt to establish
their own kingdom against the Lord of Heaven (and Earth), will
eventually fall, just like those who must remain inside the earth.
wrote:
> On 10/6/2012 8:44 AM, Forrest Piper wrote:
>
> > Since Christians believe that a "Creator" created them, then
> > apparently to Christians (and Jews alike), the same "Creator" can do
> > anything he wants to, including modify and/or destroy his own
> > "creation".
>
> Obviously true. But a misconception given that God is outside of time
> hence acts like "destruction of it all" are already done if they ever
> are going to be.
>
> > That might make sense if the earth were a kind of zoo, and humans were
> > a curious form of rebel/angel factions at work, as many contend there
> > are.
>
> The earth is NOT some kind of Zoo???!!! You were born yesterday, right?
>
> > If both Christians and Jews are wrong, and there was no "Creator",
> > then Darwin's case with applying his "Origin of Species", is towards a
> > species of hominid containing the original human genome, but would
> > have to have been created by intelligently (extraterrestrially?)
> > modifying a hominid "spontaneously", into a more advanced creature.
> > Why? Because there doesn't seem to be a "transition" type of human
> > that would bridge the gap between Neanderthal and modern man, so...
>
> Actually there is NO "gap" between homo sapiens and Neanderthal. Man did
Agreed "no gap", but only if you're assuming there was "no
>
> > Since Christians believe that a "Creator" created them, then
> > apparently to Christians (and Jews alike), the same "Creator" can do
> > anything he wants to, including modify and/or destroy his own
> > "creation".
>
> Obviously true. But a misconception given that God is outside of time
> hence acts like "destruction of it all" are already done if they ever
> are going to be.
>
> > That might make sense if the earth were a kind of zoo, and humans were
> > a curious form of rebel/angel factions at work, as many contend there
> > are.
>
> The earth is NOT some kind of Zoo???!!! You were born yesterday, right?
>
> > If both Christians and Jews are wrong, and there was no "Creator",
> > then Darwin's case with applying his "Origin of Species", is towards a
> > species of hominid containing the original human genome, but would
> > have to have been created by intelligently (extraterrestrially?)
> > modifying a hominid "spontaneously", into a more advanced creature.
> > Why? Because there doesn't seem to be a "transition" type of human
> > that would bridge the gap between Neanderthal and modern man, so...
>
> Actually there is NO "gap" between homo sapiens and Neanderthal. Man did
intervention" for ALL species, which IMO is a fallacy. It would be
impossible for extraterrestrials NOT to become involved with at least
SOME humans, that were a less advanced than the extraterrestrials
were, right before the start of "modern man".
> not "decend" from them. But that's a different story. Think advanced
> alien genetics lab and you start to get closer to truth. Evolution works
> to a degree but NOT to the degree needed create a homo sapiens. Problem
> is the question has become political. Now any partial theories are out
regions of the world, where all earth's history of civilization is
attempting to make its own comeback.
In THAT sense, what is the best well kept history, for the longest
living species of homo sapiens, would be the most important.
That's *one* side of the political equation.
With respect to the Syrian area of the world, Assyrians/Syriacs in
Syria have lived in north eastern Syria since 2000 BC, and are still
speaking the original language of the BIBLE, which is Aramaic. Modern
Aramaic is spoken today as a first language by numerous scattered
communities, but most significantly by Assyrians. It is an official
language of Iraq.
Jesus spoke Aramaic.
What voices are being silenced by the senseless bombing of Syria? al-
Qaeda are known killers of Christians and Jews, who unanimously agree
that the Almighty created everything (including their DNA). They (al-
Qaeda) are being backed by the CIA. Turkey is a giant war machine
being funded by U.S. interests, and is a major player in the drug
cartel – via the opium trade.
Certain economics don't add up to preserving a very healthy DNA for
certain other people, in certain "other" parts of the world.
IMO these are the enemies of mankind.
> of the question. It's all black or white.
>
> > ...the question of Creation vs. evolution that fits nicely with the
> > Atra-Hasis Chronicle:
>
> > "Let her create a Primitive Worker
> > And let HIM bear the yoke
> > Let the Worker carry the toil of the gods,
> > Let him bear the yoke!"
>
> > - from cuneform tablet
>
> Actually probably referring to genetically modified Neanderthal
> "workers" rather than the current "root race" of man created for
> self-development rather than "toil of the gods".
>
who may have been (at least 1/3 of them), the "fallen angels" of
antiquity. However, the "original" plan was to bring the harvested
gold back to their home planet, which for some reason, had a "leaky"
atmosphere.
A certain 1/3 of these "angels" rebelled against the other 2/3, and
then began taking over the world by force. The "heavenly" angels then
caused the earth to flood, and kill most of the fallen angels, but
some of them would escape into the hollow earth, and are there to this
day.
Some believe that the Germans, towards the close of WWII, penetrated
into "Agartha", or the hollow earth, and found themselves a haven, in
which they remain protected by an Overlord.
>
> > (Reference Ch. 5 "The Wars of the Olden Gods", p. 102 "The Wars of
> > Gods and Men", Zecharia Sitchin, Avon Books,(c) 1985, extracted from
> > the Atra Hasis Epic, that "records the events that led to the creation
> > of Homo Sapiens".
>
> > This creature, (let's call him the Christian and Jewish "Adam"), might
> > have never had time, to mutate and evolve into his present form, "Homo
> > Sapien"!
>
> EXACTLY the point about "evolution"! Record bears this out.
>
> > Evidence pointing to the beginning of so-called "modern" civilization,
> > revealing that within a short 2000 years, the genetic grain chromosome
> > pairs quadrupled, providing wheat and barley, along with fruits,
> > vegetables, sheep, and goats in the same Syria-Israel "highlands" and
> > not the plains..
>
> Actually, records and evidence shows that man did NOT start with
> history. The story of man goes back many millions of years. There were
> previous civilizations as high as this one that fell in the past. All
> evidence being covered up as usual. Science is always populated with
> such children!
Dead men's bones don't interest my kind of children. One might easily
> > (Reference Ch. 5 "The Wars of the Olden Gods", p. 102 "The Wars of
> > Gods and Men", Zecharia Sitchin, Avon Books,(c) 1985, extracted from
> > the Atra Hasis Epic, that "records the events that led to the creation
> > of Homo Sapiens".
>
> > This creature, (let's call him the Christian and Jewish "Adam"), might
> > have never had time, to mutate and evolve into his present form, "Homo
> > Sapien"!
>
> EXACTLY the point about "evolution"! Record bears this out.
>
> > Evidence pointing to the beginning of so-called "modern" civilization,
> > revealing that within a short 2000 years, the genetic grain chromosome
> > pairs quadrupled, providing wheat and barley, along with fruits,
> > vegetables, sheep, and goats in the same Syria-Israel "highlands" and
> > not the plains..
>
> Actually, records and evidence shows that man did NOT start with
> history. The story of man goes back many millions of years. There were
> previous civilizations as high as this one that fell in the past. All
> evidence being covered up as usual. Science is always populated with
> such children!
fall into the trap of believing that they themselves are gods, and
that mankind is simply an "ongoing experiment" like the Germans did.
The problem with that, is that all races who attempt to establish
their own kingdom against the Lord of Heaven (and Earth), will
eventually fall, just like those who must remain inside the earth.
Free Lunch
Oct 6, 2012, 1:15:20 PM10/6/12
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 05:44:40 -0700 (PDT), Forrest Piper
<880yardbo...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>On Oct 6, 7:55 am, Igor Larianov <igorelaria...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 6, 7:48 am, Igor Larianov <igorelaria...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Oct 6, 7:45 am, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > I saw that while atheists fled from Hitler,
>> > > the Holy Church stood like a stonewall.
>> > > That is when I embraced their glory.
>> > > -Dr.Einstein
>>
>> > You must mean that Jew Albert Einstein, or should I say Albert Brooks.
>>
>> > Hie's the brother of Super Dave Einstein.
>>
>> > That's film maker Albert Brooks real name.
>>
>> > After all. Who the fuck would take a Jewish film maker by the name of
>> > Albert Einstein seriously?
>>
>> Oh yeah!
>>
>> On his death bed, Charles Darwin actually said "I refute my life's
>> work. God created the various species"
>>
>> And pink porcine winged ungulates sprouted wings 10 minutes ago, flew
>> by my window crying "Obama is to blame for the 2008 economic disaster
>> and all who attacked us on 9/11 were atheists!"
>>
>> Yeah, that's the ticket.
>
>There is no "Origin of Species" but rather "Origin of the Species",
??? Are you talking about something other than Darwin's book?
...
<880yardbo...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>On Oct 6, 7:55 am, Igor Larianov <igorelaria...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 6, 7:48 am, Igor Larianov <igorelaria...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Oct 6, 7:45 am, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > I saw that while atheists fled from Hitler,
>> > > the Holy Church stood like a stonewall.
>> > > That is when I embraced their glory.
>> > > -Dr.Einstein
>>
>> > You must mean that Jew Albert Einstein, or should I say Albert Brooks.
>>
>> > Hie's the brother of Super Dave Einstein.
>>
>> > That's film maker Albert Brooks real name.
>>
>> > After all. Who the fuck would take a Jewish film maker by the name of
>> > Albert Einstein seriously?
>>
>> Oh yeah!
>>
>> On his death bed, Charles Darwin actually said "I refute my life's
>> work. God created the various species"
>>
>> And pink porcine winged ungulates sprouted wings 10 minutes ago, flew
>> by my window crying "Obama is to blame for the 2008 economic disaster
>> and all who attacked us on 9/11 were atheists!"
>>
>> Yeah, that's the ticket.
>
>There is no "Origin of Species" but rather "Origin of the Species",
...
Free Lunch
Oct 6, 2012, 1:16:03 PM10/6/12
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 06:10:05 -0700, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
wrote in alt.atheism:
>Igor Larianov wrote:
>
>> On his death bed, Charles Darwin actually said "I refute my life's
>> work. God created the various species"
>
>Well, by that time his life's work had become part of the commons. Just
>because Edison invented the light bulb doesn't give him the right to
>recall everyone's bulbs in a deathbed pique.
No matter, Igor is preaching nonsense and lies.
wrote in alt.atheism:
>Igor Larianov wrote:
>
>> On his death bed, Charles Darwin actually said "I refute my life's
>> work. God created the various species"
>
>Well, by that time his life's work had become part of the commons. Just
>because Edison invented the light bulb doesn't give him the right to
>recall everyone's bulbs in a deathbed pique.
Relayer447
Oct 6, 2012, 2:02:33 PM10/6/12
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popular recently. They don't make logical sense. Our technology
and medical sophistication would be much much more advanced,
coming from a alien entity capable of travel to other solar systems.
R447
Fred^2
Oct 6, 2012, 4:26:30 PM10/6/12
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Painius <stars...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:27:48 GMT, rep...@scientology.org (Fred^2)
>On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:27:48 GMT, rep...@scientology.org (Fred^2)
>>HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Decades before atheist scientist and author Richard Dawkins called God a "delusion"
>>Most of the world's populace recognizes that the Christanic gods are
>>delusions, and some 30% or so of the world's populace today recognize
>>all of the gods and goddesses are delusions.
>>It takes a lunatic mentality to think one has invisible superfriends.
>Atheists tend to inflate these figures, as do theists and agnostics.
Bet you this insane loon thinks Einstein refuses to debate him
>>>Decades before atheist scientist and author Richard Dawkins called God a "delusion"
>>Most of the world's populace recognizes that the Christanic gods are
>>delusions, and some 30% or so of the world's populace today recognize
>>all of the gods and goddesses are delusions.
>>It takes a lunatic mentality to think one has invisible superfriends.
>Atheists tend to inflate these figures, as do theists and agnostics.
because Einstein's afraid to. :) The insane loon really is that
insane. Seriously.
bja...@iwaynet.net
Oct 6, 2012, 5:53:50 PM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 11:12 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 10/6/2012 10:55 AM, bja...@teranews.com wrote:
>>
>> Actually there is NO "gap" between homo sapiens and Neanderthal. Man did
>> not "decend" from them. But that's a different story. Think advanced
>> alien genetics lab and you start to get closer to truth.
>
>
> Are you stoned?
Are you insane, working for the government, or both?
> On 10/6/2012 10:55 AM, bja...@teranews.com wrote:
>>
>> Actually there is NO "gap" between homo sapiens and Neanderthal. Man did
>> not "decend" from them. But that's a different story. Think advanced
>> alien genetics lab and you start to get closer to truth.
>
>
> Are you stoned?
bja...@iwaynet.net
Oct 6, 2012, 6:00:36 PM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 11:30 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 10/6/2012 10:55 AM, bja...@teranews.com wrote:
>>
>> Actually, records and evidence shows that man did NOT start with
>> history. The story of man goes back many millions of years. There were
>> previous civilizations as high as this one that fell in the past.
> On 10/6/2012 10:55 AM, bja...@teranews.com wrote:
>>
>> Actually, records and evidence shows that man did NOT start with
>> history. The story of man goes back many millions of years. There were
>> previous civilizations as high as this one that fell in the past.
> BJ. The story that the evidence is being 'covered up' is foolish, don't
> you agree? It could be used to make ANY case.
> For instance, crop circles. It could be argued by people like YOU that
> they are made by aliens but the evidence is being 'covered up'.
Oh here we go again. You've got "aliens" on the brain. Go tell your
> you agree? It could be used to make ANY case.
> For instance, crop circles. It could be argued by people like YOU that
> they are made by aliens but the evidence is being 'covered up'.
bosses that we really need to get rid of "aliens". I'm talking about the
ones walking in over our borders and stealing anything they can (like
the money that was supposed to be spent on our own poor)
You know damn well I have NEVER even theorized that aliens are making
crop circles, l;et alone made that assertion. As far as I can see only
YOU keep pushing forth that theory in hopes someone will "bite" and you
can smack them down. I've never heard of anyone (even hoaxers) even
CLAIMING to have seen aliens out making a crop circle, yet you persist.
As for evidence of "coverups" of ALL types by those in power, the
evidence is SO overwhelming and obvious only a professional political
liar (such as yourself) would even attempt to claim they are imaginary.
bja...@iwaynet.net
Oct 6, 2012, 6:04:40 PM10/6/12
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On 10/6/2012 2:02 PM, Relayer447 wrote:
> I don't believe in any of the ancient astronaut type theories so
> popular recently. They don't make logical sense. Our technology
> and medical sophistication would be much much more advanced,
> coming from a alien entity capable of travel to other solar systems.
>
> R447
Do you mean "their" technology would be more advanced? Sure. Or do you
> I don't believe in any of the ancient astronaut type theories so
> popular recently. They don't make logical sense. Our technology
> and medical sophistication would be much much more advanced,
> coming from a alien entity capable of travel to other solar systems.
>
> R447
mean you expect that would be transferred to us? Perhaps you need to
explain how WE would know that it was. Especially if they intended to
keep a low profile. About the only hint of a genetics lab would be
gaping holes in the evolution record. ...Oh Wait!
Uirgil
Oct 6, 2012, 7:16:17 PM10/6/12
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In article
<01629d34-580e-4c68...@z8g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
"I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes
his creatures or has a will of the kind we experience
in ourselves. Neither can I‹nor would I want to‹
conceive of an individual that survives his physical
death. Let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism,
cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mys-
tery of the eternity of life and a glimpse of the mar-
velous structure of the existing world, together with
the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it
ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in
nature."
-- Albert Einstein
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of
human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still
primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
- Albert Einstein
It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but
unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting. -- H.
L. Mencken
łWe owe a huge debt to Galileo for emancipating us all from the stupid
belief in an Earth-centered or man-centered (let alone God-centered)
system. He quite literally taught us our place and allowed us to go on
to make extraordinary advances in knowledge.˛
Science flies you to the moon; religion flies you into buildings.
I bring you the stately matron Christendom, returning bedraggled,
besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria,
South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her
pocket full of boodle, and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give
her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass.
Mark Twain
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not
prove anything.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Religion is dangerous, because it allows human beings, who don't have
all the answers, to think that they do. - Bill Maher
Only abysmal self-complacency can see in Man a reason which Omniscience
could consider adequate as a motive for the Creator. The Copernican
revolution will not have done its work until it has taught men more
modesty than is to be found among those who think Man sufficient
evidence of Cosmic Purpose. ‹Bertrand Russell
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will
not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the
virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you
should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will
be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the
memories of your loved ones."
-- Marcus Aurelius
<01629d34-580e-4c68...@z8g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
"I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes
his creatures or has a will of the kind we experience
in ourselves. Neither can I‹nor would I want to‹
conceive of an individual that survives his physical
death. Let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism,
cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mys-
tery of the eternity of life and a glimpse of the mar-
velous structure of the existing world, together with
the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it
ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in
nature."
-- Albert Einstein
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of
primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
- Albert Einstein
It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but
unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting. -- H.
L. Mencken
łWe owe a huge debt to Galileo for emancipating us all from the stupid
belief in an Earth-centered or man-centered (let alone God-centered)
system. He quite literally taught us our place and allowed us to go on
to make extraordinary advances in knowledge.˛
Science flies you to the moon; religion flies you into buildings.
I bring you the stately matron Christendom, returning bedraggled,
besmirched and dishonored from pirate raids in Kiao-Chow, Manchuria,
South Africa and the Philippines, with her soul full of meanness, her
pocket full of boodle, and her mouth full of pious hypocrisies. Give
her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass.
Mark Twain
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not
prove anything.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Religion is dangerous, because it allows human beings, who don't have
all the answers, to think that they do. - Bill Maher
Only abysmal self-complacency can see in Man a reason which Omniscience
could consider adequate as a motive for the Creator. The Copernican
revolution will not have done its work until it has taught men more
modesty than is to be found among those who think Man sufficient
evidence of Cosmic Purpose. ‹Bertrand Russell
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will
not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the
virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you
should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will
be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the
memories of your loved ones."
-- Marcus Aurelius
Relayer447
Oct 7, 2012, 2:35:15 AM10/7/12
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extended space travel. But surely they would have shared with us at
least some tech, thus making our tech at present much more advanced
than it is now, because we would have built on what they gave us then.
I'm talking about, for example, had there been alien entities visiting this
planet many centuries ago, why wouldn't they at least give us simple flight
technology, which simply required a wing shaped a certain way to produce
lift. But we had to wait until the 20th century for that simple wing
profile.
R447
HVAC
Oct 7, 2012, 7:18:43 AM10/7/12
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HVAC
Oct 7, 2012, 7:19:43 AM10/7/12
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HVAC
Oct 7, 2012, 7:24:13 AM10/7/12
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On 10/7/2012 2:35 AM, Relayer447 wrote:
>
>> Do you mean "their" technology would be more advanced? Sure. Or do you
>> mean you expect that would be transferred to us? Perhaps you need to
>> explain how WE would know that it was. Especially if they intended to
>> keep a low profile. About the only hint of a genetics lab would be
>> gaping holes in the evolution record. ...Oh Wait!
>>
>>
>
>
> No, their tech was already very advanced if they were capable of
> extended space travel. But surely they would have shared with us at
> least some tech, thus making our tech at present much more advanced
> than it is now, because we would have built on what they gave us then.
> I'm talking about, for example, had there been alien entities visiting this
> planet many centuries ago, why wouldn't they at least give us simple flight
> technology, which simply required a wing shaped a certain way to produce
> lift. But we had to wait until the 20th century for that simple wing
> profile.
BJ believes that the aliens are here NOW and they are making crop
>
>> Do you mean "their" technology would be more advanced? Sure. Or do you
>> mean you expect that would be transferred to us? Perhaps you need to
>> explain how WE would know that it was. Especially if they intended to
>> keep a low profile. About the only hint of a genetics lab would be
>> gaping holes in the evolution record. ...Oh Wait!
>>
>>
>
>
> No, their tech was already very advanced if they were capable of
> extended space travel. But surely they would have shared with us at
> least some tech, thus making our tech at present much more advanced
> than it is now, because we would have built on what they gave us then.
> I'm talking about, for example, had there been alien entities visiting this
> planet many centuries ago, why wouldn't they at least give us simple flight
> technology, which simply required a wing shaped a certain way to produce
> lift. But we had to wait until the 20th century for that simple wing
> profile.
circles to show us their power. He also believes in 'non material'
objects as does Painus.
Painius
Oct 7, 2012, 2:59:49 PM10/7/12
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:26:30 GMT, rep...@scientology.org (Fred^2)
wrote:
You toss around unreal lies about how many people think this and that
are delusional, expecting no one to challenge you. I challenge you
with the objective facts in evidence to show that it is YOU who is
delusional, and you continue to tell bare-faced lies?
Take your freekin' meds, Freddy, nobody doubts your credibility now.
LMBO !
"Friends need no explanations; enemies will not believe you."
wrote:
are delusional, expecting no one to challenge you. I challenge you
with the objective facts in evidence to show that it is YOU who is
delusional, and you continue to tell bare-faced lies?
Take your freekin' meds, Freddy, nobody doubts your credibility now.
LMBO !
"Friends need no explanations; enemies will not believe you."
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