Europe was wrong I was right.
gu...@hotmail.com
create more particles then they calculated and if so this would become
a surrounding wall of particles and therefore possibly "sufficient"
food for a black hole that would then grow & swallow the entire Earth
in a split second.
Yesterday, they announced they will stop the experiment for 2 years to
fortify their accelerator since they discovered more particles are
being created then they predicted. And the number of particles is
increasing in ""exponential"" (meaning not linear) increments as they
increase the voltage...
My predictions are dead-on with their experiments.
What's terrible is that they never calculated the possibility of a
black hole (and nor will they bother to calculate now) based on the
new "EXPONENTIAL" number of particles being created.
Andrew Smyth
I too posted this same fear a year ago. However I was afraid that the
Europeans might cause some new runaway quantum fluctuation, creating a
new universe, but leaving us "on queer street" as my mom use to say.
They don't care. And in fact if what you say is possible I predict
some crazy Swiss guy might blackmail the world, no, blackmail the
Galactic Federation---"I will destroy space-time if you don't give me
a billion Euros."
Clearly all the other intelligent civilizations in the universe have
not destroyed the universe because of failure to pay blackmail. But
humans are not rational so your post has me a bit worried.
One poster warned me to wear clean underwear in the event of a
catastrophe and I am heeding his advice. But if I hear that a growing
Black Hole has devoured London I may have a problem with the underwear.
Uncle Al
>
> I predicted that when Europe starts to crash protons together it may
> create more particles then they calculated and if so this would become
> a surrounding wall of particles and therefore possibly "sufficient"
> food for a black hole that would then grow & swallow the entire Earth
> in a split second.
1) The drain hole is smaller than an atomic nucleus.
2) The drainhole's rapidity is fully relativistic.
3) Gravitation varies as 1/r^2.
4) Conservation of angular momentum.
5) idiot
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
xxein
xxein: And created out of how much energy? You don't know that our
Sun cannot even create a black hole? It will take about 4 or 5 masses
of our Sun's energy to create a black hole. And even that requires
the right amount of an energy in it's surroundings. This comes mainly
from nearby mass.
It doesn't matter even if more particles are made. What matters is
the gravity between them. So if you build a 10-9 sun, it will not
become a black hole any more than our Sun is now.
If you could think correctly about this, the mass would be contained
within a radius whereby the escape velocity of light would be
superceded by it's escape velocity within the gravity.
The escape velocity from the Earth is ~ 11185 m/s. From our Sun,
617390 m/s. ~3.7E-05 and ~2.3E0-3 wrt c, respectively. So you would
have to somehow create ~27000 times the mass of the Earth from the
collider input to add to the mass of the whole Earth.
Besides, the particle production is less mass than the the collision
pair. It releases energy. It does not provide for a gravitational
energy if you understand that 1) once in energy form, gravity values
it as 7.42425890641371E-28 that of a mass, and 2 (the energy expands
outward - thus separating it from the mass-core boundary.
What else are you confused by?
BURT
>
> - Show quoted text -
If black holes existed it would be our ultimate demise. But they don't
exist. What will kill us next?
God is not going to let mankind die. The same with all intelligent
worlds.
Mitch Raemsch
martin
> On Mar 12, 4:37 pm, xxein<xx...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Mar 12, 3:36 pm, "gu...@hotmail.com"<gu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I predicted that when Europe starts to crash protons together it may
>>> create more particles then they calculated and if so this would become
>>> a surrounding wall of particles and therefore possibly "sufficient"
>>> in a split second.
>>
>>> Yesterday, they announced they will stop the experiment for 2 years to
>>> fortify their accelerator since they discovered more particles are
>>> being created then they predicted. And the number of particles is
>>> increasing in ""exponential"" (meaning not linear) increments as they
>>> increase the voltage...
Cite!
>>
>>> My predictions are dead-on with their experiments.
What experiments? Cite!
Nutter alert!
>
> If black holes existed it would be our ultimate demise. But they don't
> exist. What will kill us next?
>
> God is not going to let mankind die. The same with all intelligent
> worlds.
More nutters! *whoop whoop*
>
> Mitch Raemsch
Virgil
<58b90a20-c285-4561...@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
BURT <macro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If black holes existed it would be our ultimate demise. But they don't
> exist. What will kill us next?
There is much better evidence for the existence of black holes than for
any gods capable of protecting us from them.
>
> God is not going to let mankind die.
Which god would that you claim which will prevent the eventual death of
our sun and stave off colliion with earth of all those planetoids and
comets and other space junk like have caused major extinctions in the
past?
Inertial
<gu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9d1354bf-d70e-4a73...@r1g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> I predicted that when Europe starts to crash protons together it may
> create more particles then they calculated
Where did you do this? What was your basis for the claim?
> and if so this would become
> a surrounding wall of particles and therefore possibly "sufficient"
> food for a black hole that would then grow & swallow the entire Earth
> in a split second.
Oh yeah .. so that happened just the other day did it .. I must have missed
my anhilation. :)
> Yesterday, they announced they will stop the experiment for 2 years to
> fortify their accelerator
All I saw was that they are planning a shutdown in 2 years time (not FOR two
years) and this is just scheduled maintenance and to fix up some problems
that are preventing it running at full capacity just yet
> since they discovered more particles are
> being created then they predicted.
Wrong .. that is not why at all
> And the number of particles is
> increasing in ""exponential"" (meaning not linear) increments as they
> increase the voltage...
Your evidence for this is ?????
> My predictions are dead-on with their experiments.
Other than your claimed prediction that there would be more particles found
than expected (if you did indeed make that prediction) .. I don't see any
black hole
> What's terrible is that they never calculated the possibility of a
> black hole (and nor will they bother to calculate now) based on the
> new "EXPONENTIAL" number of particles being created.
Dear oh dear .. you're another alarmist .. up there with 'magnetic'.
Inertial
"Virgil" <Vir...@home.esc> wrote in message
news:Virgil-208452....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
If there are any gods around at all, they do a pretty good job of letting
people die already.
J. Clarke
> On Mar 12, 3:36 pm, "gu...@hotmail.com"<gu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I predicted that when Europe starts to crash protons together it may
>> create more particles then they calculated and if so this would become
>> a surrounding wall of particles and therefore possibly "sufficient"
You seem to be confused by the nature of black holes. While there are
reasons that the LHC won't destroy the world with a black hole, the ones
you give are not them. Black holes can exist on very small scales, they
do not have to have large mass. The mass limit you mention applies to
the gravitational collapse of a star, which is one mechanism by which a
black hole may be created, but it is not the _only_ method.
Olrik
> On Mar 12, 4:37 pm, xxein<xx...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Mar 12, 3:36 pm, "gu...@hotmail.com"<gu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I predicted that when Europe starts to crash protons together it may
>>> create more particles then they calculated and if so this would become
>>> a surrounding wall of particles and therefore possibly "sufficient"
You have to be near them to be destroyed. The earth is *not* near one.
The point is moot.
> But they don't exist.
They've been predicted, detected and proven. You're out.
> What will kill us next?
Just about everything. The human death rate is 100%.
> God is not going to let mankind die.
Read the bible. Your "god" is one bloody fucking genocidal maniac...
> The same with all intelligent worlds.
Name one besides earth.
> Mitch Raemsch
dlzc
You rate us pretty high...
David A. Smith
Olrik
I was in a good mood!
;-)
Olrik
xxein
> On 3/12/2010 7:37 PM,xxeinwrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
xxein: True. But not confused. I mean to say that a BH cannot exist
forever. On the small scale, or large, it cannot support the amount
of mass and energy it gravitationally accumulates forever. It will
have a smaller lifetime on a smaller scale. On such a small scale, we
might not even realize what occurs.
In the LHC, the proton collisions are induced. They do not occur
naturally as in large scale gravity in which there is a matter/energy
rich environment to feed it. A BH of astronomical significance may
exist for a very long time while it awaits the straw that breaks the
camel's back. A collision BH of photons has no such perpetuate field
surrounding it. Moreover the mass (or energy) of it's environment
cannot be captured by gravity since everything is traveling past one
another at relativistic velocities (except for the occasional
collision).
Is that better?
xxein
Just reminiscing to the 60's.