Re: Spinning Particles - Since When?

[Koobee Wublee]

On May 16, 12:05 pm, Absolutely Testicle wrote:
> On 5/16/2013 12:36 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> > On May 16, 10:17 am, Tom Roberts wrote:
>
> > > The spins of particles are related to the irreducible
> > > representations of the Lorentz group
>
> > Excuse Me. Koobee Wublee smells bullshit. <shrug>
>
> http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/QM/poincare.pdf
>
> > > -- yes, the same group that is the basis of SR.
>
> > OK, bullshit is definitely coming whenever an opportunity arrives that
> > can be pinned on SR. See the connection? Why does the sun rise and
> > set every day? Because God makes it so. <shrug> Why intrinsic
> > spin? Because of SR. <shrug>
>
> http://home.uchicago.edu/~/meehan/assignments/330project.pdf
>
> > > These representations are naturally quantized.
>
> > How? <shrug>
>
> http://www-personal.umich.edu/~williams/papers/diracalg.pdf
>
> > > As I keep saying that in 4-d a Lorentz transform (aka
> > > "boost") is just a rotation in a space-time plane. Ordinary
> > > rotations are in a space-space plane. The set of all such
> > > rotations forms the Lorentz group (rotations in (3+1)-d).
>
> > How does the gamma factor attribute to this quantization? <shrug>
>
> >> This is solidly established experimentally,
>
> > Bullshit! <shrug>
>
> you like math, you say.
> dive in.
>
> you ass.

Back in the 1920’s, it was becoming evident that the self-styled
physicists then did not understand differential geometry. The works
of Riemann, Christoffel, Ricci, and Levi-Civita were worshipped
instead of studied. A few of them sought alternative mathematics in
mathemaGics to replace the works of these founding fathers of
differential geometry. A simple question to tell how clueless these
self-styled physicists that indulged in the mathemaGics of this new
math are is how to derive the Christoffel symbols from Lie algebra.
Does PD aka Absolutely imbecile wish to go there? <shrug>

This episode of discussion still demonstrates how deeply the Orwellian
philosophy is indoctrinated in all self-styled physicists:

** FAITH IS LOGIC
** LYING IS TEACHING
** DECEIT IS VALIDATION
** NITWIT IS GENIUS
** OCCULT IS SCIENCE
** FICTION IS THEORY
** FUDGING IS DERIVATION
** PARADOX IS KOSHER
** WORSHIP IS STUDY
** BULLSHIT IS TRUTH
** ARROGANCE IS SAGE
** BELIEVING IS LEARNING
** IGNORANCE IS KNOWLEDGE
** MYSTICISM IS WISDOM
** SCRIPTURE IS AXIOM
** CONSPIRACY IS PEER
** CONJECTURE IS REALITY
** HANDWAVING IS REASONING
** PLAGIARISM IS CREATIVITY
** PRIESTHOOD IS TENURE
** FRAUDULENCE IS FACT
** MATHEMAGICS IS MATHEMATICS
** CONTRADICTION IS INMATERIAL
** INCONSISTENCY IS CONSISTENCY
** INTERPRETATION IS VERIFICATION

<shrug>

[Absolutely Vertical]

> Back in the 1920�s, it was becoming evident that the self-styled

> physicists then did not understand differential geometry. The works
> of Riemann, Christoffel, Ricci, and Levi-Civita were worshipped
> instead of studied. A few of them sought alternative mathematics in
> mathemaGics to replace the works of these founding fathers of
> differential geometry. A simple question to tell how clueless these
> self-styled physicists that indulged in the mathemaGics of this new
> math are is how to derive the Christoffel symbols from Lie algebra.
> Does PD aka Absolutely imbecile wish to go there? <shrug>
>

with you? not particularly. you are obviously and painfully incapable of
finding simple things on your own (stuff that took me two minutes to
produce, including putting them in the response to you) and you expect
to be spoonfed just because you cannot hold your own knife and fork.

all i have done here is demonstrate how _easy_ it is to locate the
things you insist do not exist. this is so that there is a _moment's_
hesitation before you reflexively proclaim 'bullshit', in which the last
remaining glimmer of sanity in your head might say, 'wait a second,
maybe i should check that before saying anything.' but if there is no
remaining glimmer of sanity, at least others reading the post will say,
'well, see that? that was pretty easy to produce. koobee wublee is
obviously blowing it out his overstretched ass.'

[Koobee Wublee]

On May 17, 4:59 am, Absolutely Testicle wrote:
> On 5/17/2013 12:54 AM, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > Back in the 1920 s, it was becoming evident that the self-styled

> > physicists then did not understand differential geometry. The works
> > of Riemann, Christoffel, Ricci, and Levi-Civita were worshipped
> > instead of studied. A few of them sought alternative mathematics in
> > mathemaGics to replace the works of these founding fathers of
> > differential geometry. A simple question to tell how clueless these
> > self-styled physicists that indulged in the mathemaGics of this new
> > math are is how to derive the Christoffel symbols from Lie algebra.
> > Does PD aka Absolutely imbecile wish to go there? <shrug>
>
> with you? not particularly. you are obviously and painfully incapable of
> finding simple things on your own (stuff that took me two minutes to
> produce, including putting them in the response to you) and you expect
> to be spoonfed just because you cannot hold your own knife and fork.

Gee! If you want to bring up materials for your defense, you’d better
understand that material completely. Koobee Wublee guesses it would
be too much to ask of PD aka Absolutely imbecile. <shrug>

> all i have done here is demonstrate how _easy_ it is to locate the
> things you insist do not exist.

Yeah, stealing shit out of the garbage can is easy. What else is
new? <shrug>

> this is so that there is a _moment's_
> hesitation before you reflexively proclaim 'bullshit', in which the last
> remaining glimmer of sanity in your head might say, 'wait a second,
> maybe i should check that before saying anything.' but if there is no
> remaining glimmer of sanity, at least others reading the post will say,
> 'well, see that? that was pretty easy to produce. koobee wublee is
> obviously blowing it out his overstretched ass.'

You just love to pull shit out of your own ass, PD aka absolutely
imbecile. <shrug>

In the meantime, this episode of discussion still demonstrates how

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

what in heck does Koobydoo know about Lie algebras (and groups) ??...
haha: <shrug>

incidentally, I read in an expository paper, that
Lie began with The Tetrahedron -- just like Bucky.

[Koobee Wublee]

On May 17, 4:59 am, Absolutely Testicle wrote:

> you are obviously and painfully incapable of
> finding simple things on your own (stuff that took me two minutes to
> produce, including putting them in the response to you) and you expect
> to be spoonfed just because you cannot hold your own knife and fork.

Actually, Koobee Wublee knew about the spinning of the bullshit within
the study of particle physics. It seems that the self-styled
physicists are the only group willing to engage group theory with
reality. Peer reviews among the clowns are becoming a joke. It is
better to allow engineers cross-check their works. Koobee Wublee is
just hoping any self-styled physicist would be willing to step up to
the plate and hit a few of Koobee Wublee’s famous “knuckle balls”.
However, be warned. You might end up as a trophy in Koobee Wublee’s
safari. After all, it is always open season for professors. :-)

[1treePetrifiedForestLane]

hah, a self-styled numbertheorist, badmouthing Lie groups & algebras,
a rather thorough integration of "mat" with geometry ... even thogh
*mathematica* includes geometry & numberthoery.

> better to allow engineers cross-check their works.  Koobee Wublee is

take a look around you, at any scale than the human (and
including that, if properly situated), and see that every thing spins,
Koobydoo.

[Absolutely Vertical]

On 5/19/2013 12:36 AM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On May 17, 4:59 am, Absolutely Testicle wrote:
>
>> you are obviously and painfully incapable of
>> finding simple things on your own (stuff that took me two minutes to
>> produce, including putting them in the response to you) and you expect
>> to be spoonfed just because you cannot hold your own knife and fork.
>
> Actually, Koobee Wublee knew about the spinning of the bullshit within
> the study of particle physics. It seems that the self-styled
> physicists are the only group willing to engage group theory with
> reality.

bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. and caught in it, too, you scum-sucking loser.

> Peer reviews among the clowns are becoming a joke. It is
> better to allow engineers cross-check their works. Koobee Wublee is
> just hoping any self-styled physicist would be willing to step up to
> the plate and hit a few of Koobee Wublee’s famous “knuckle balls”.

right. a 'knuckle ball' from someone who can't find simple things
himself. here's one of your famous 'knuckle balls':
vimeo.com/34678147‎

[Koobee Wublee]

On May 19, 3:04 pm, Absolutely Testicle wrote:
> On 5/19/2013 12:36 AM, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > Actually, Koobee Wublee knew about the spinning of the bullshit within
> > the study of particle physics. It seems that the self-styled
> > physicists are the only group willing to engage group theory with
> > reality.
>
> bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. and caught in it, too, you scum-sucking loser.

Hey, your words against Mine, but that is totally irrelevant. <shrug>

> > Peer reviews among the clowns are becoming a joke. It is
> > better to allow engineers cross-check their works. Koobee Wublee is
> > just hoping any self-styled physicist would be willing to step up to
> > the plate and hit a few of Koobee Wublee’s famous “knuckle balls”.
>
> right. a 'knuckle ball' from someone who can't find simple things
> himself. here's one of your famous 'knuckle balls':
> vimeo.com/34678147

It looks like a wild pitch to Koobee Wublee. <shrug>

> > However, be warned. You might end up as a trophy in Koobee Wublee’s
> > safari. After all, it is always open season for professors. :-)

This is another such poker game. Tom and PD aka absolutely imbecile
claimed to have a high hand, and Koobee Wublee merely calls their
bluff. Koobee Wublee is not folding. Does Tom-and-PD team wish to
fold on this one? Koobee Wublee will take a lack of a response as
so. <shrug>

[Absolutely Vertical]

On 5/20/2013 12:35 AM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On May 19, 3:04 pm, Absolutely Testicle wrote:
>> On 5/19/2013 12:36 AM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
>
>>> Actually, Koobee Wublee knew about the spinning of the bullshit within
>>> the study of particle physics. It seems that the self-styled
>>> physicists are the only group willing to engage group theory with
>>> reality.
>>
>> bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. and caught in it, too, you scum-sucking loser.
>
> Hey, your words against Mine, but that is totally irrelevant. <shrug>

well, there you go. that's the hallmark of the intellectual coward. you
try to fob this off as a 'well, i'm as much a voice of authority on this
newsgroup as anyone is, so what i say carries as much weight as what you
say.' which is of course completely ridiculous, because what other
people have been telling you are the conclusions arrived at by literally
tens of thousands of people, versus your lone blustery voice in the
corner. you have recognized this somewhere in the dank recesses of your
mind, and this has led you to the megalomaniac position that you know
better than tens of thousands of people who are _more versed_ in the
subject than you are. and so you literally take the position, 'i don't
care if a million people tell me i'm wrong and a lunatic, i am in fact
right and my being a lunatic has nothing to do with it.' hence the
capitalized first person pronouns and references to yourself in the
third person. you're sick in the head, wublee, and in a way that is
pretty funny and in no way to be treated seriously.

>
>>> Peer reviews among the clowns are becoming a joke. It is
>>> better to allow engineers cross-check their works. Koobee Wublee is
>>> just hoping any self-styled physicist would be willing to step up to

>>> the plate and hit a few of Koobee Wublee�s famous �knuckle balls�.

>>
>> right. a 'knuckle ball' from someone who can't find simple things
>> himself. here's one of your famous 'knuckle balls':
>> vimeo.com/34678147
>
> It looks like a wild pitch to Koobee Wublee. <shrug>
>

>>> However, be warned. You might end up as a trophy in Koobee Wublee�s

>>> safari. After all, it is always open season for professors. :-)
>
> This is another such poker game. Tom and PD aka absolutely imbecile
> claimed to have a high hand, and Koobee Wublee merely calls their
> bluff. Koobee Wublee is not folding. Does Tom-and-PD team wish to
> fold on this one? Koobee Wublee will take a lack of a response as
> so. <shrug>

wublee, the only thing that pleases you anymore is picking fights. it's
a sad, sad thing, though kind of funny too.

[Koobee Wublee]

On May 20, 6:21 am, Absolutely Testicle wrote:
> On 5/20/2013 12:35 AM, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > Hey, your words against Mine, but that is totally irrelevant. <shrug>
>
> well, there you go. that's the hallmark of the intellectual coward.

PD aka absolutely imbecile is overestimating its own intelligence
again. <shrug>

> you
> try to fob this off as a 'well, i'm as much a voice of authority on this
> newsgroup as anyone is, so what i say carries as much weight as what you
> say.' which is of course completely ridiculous, because what other
> people have been telling you are the conclusions arrived at by literally
> tens of thousands of people, versus your lone blustery voice in the
> corner.

PD aka absolutely imbecile is not reading the newsgroups at all.
Notice the self-styled physicists are not that eager to engage with
Koobee Wublee because they know that Koobee Wublee is always right.
It is certainly very lonely at the top. <shrug>

> you have recognized this somewhere in the dank recesses of your

> mind...

More personal insults. You done yet? <shrug>

> > This is another such poker game. Tom and PD aka absolutely imbecile
> > claimed to have a high hand, and Koobee Wublee merely calls their
> > bluff. Koobee Wublee is not folding. Does Tom-and-PD team wish to
> > fold on this one? Koobee Wublee will take a lack of a response as
> > so. <shrug>
>
> wublee, the only thing that pleases you anymore is picking fights. it's
> a sad, sad thing, though kind of funny too.

No, the only thing that pleases Koobee Wublee is engaging in
discussions where it is always certain that Koobee Wublee will always
show that the self-styled physicists have been wrong. <shrug>

So, Koobee Wublee asks again. How do you construe quantum spins from
the Lorentz transform? Try not to play poker this time. <shrug>

Recall it was Tom who claimed so where he had no clues as why. It was
PD aka absolutely imbecile who tossed around 3 pieces of irrelevant
papers on group theories around. So, can PD aka absolutely imbecile
do better than that? <shrug>

[Absolutely Vertical]

On 5/20/2013 12:50 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> No, the only thing that pleases Koobee Wublee is engaging in
> discussions where it is always certain that Koobee Wublee will always
> show that the self-styled physicists have been wrong. <shrug>

i'm sure it's helpful to your bruised ego to declare victory with every
engagement you have with anyone else. that seems to be especially
important to you, though it's not so much with _normal_ people.

>
> So, Koobee Wublee asks again. How do you construe quantum spins from
> the Lorentz transform? Try not to play poker this time. <shrug>

the papers i cited show this explicitly. you called them irrelevant as
an excuse not to read them -- because you are incapable of understanding
them. instead, you blustered that they are irrelevant because you and
you alone understand group theory properly, so that any papers on the
subject are not worth reading. pathetic defense mechanism, simply pathetic.

>
> Recall it was Tom who claimed so where he had no clues as why. It was
> PD aka absolutely imbecile who tossed around 3 pieces of irrelevant
> papers on group theories around. So, can PD aka absolutely imbecile
> do better than that? <shrug>

i don't have to. you see, i keep my contact with blustering, desperately
lonely fight-pickers to a minimum. especially if they exhibit psychosis
like you do.

i showed for _other_ readers that you are an ass and gave _them_
appropriate reading material, even if you are incapable of doing what
others have no problem doing.

[Jeff Bennett]

Absolutely Vertical wrote:

> i'm sure it's helpful to your bruised ego to declare victory with every
> engagement you have with anyone else. that seems to be especially
> important to you, though it's not so much with _normal_ people.

Sir, you are irrelevant. And please, use punctuation.

[Koobee Wublee]

On May 20, 11:01 am, Absolutely Testicle wrote:
> On 5/20/2013 12:50 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > No, the only thing that pleases Koobee Wublee is engaging in
> > discussions where it is always certain that Koobee Wublee will always
> > show that the self-styled physicists have been wrong. <shrug>
>
> i'm sure it's helpful to your bruised ego to declare victory with every
> engagement you have with anyone else. that seems to be especially
> important to you, though it's not so much with _normal_ people.

LOL. Yes, PD aka absolutely imbecile likes to brag about being a
world class traveler after bouncing off a few webservers from one
corner of the world to another. PD aka absolutely imbecile is the
master of bullshit which Koobee Wublee would not challenge. <shrug>

> [rest of bullshit snipped]

For the record, it was Tom who claimed the quantum intrinsic spins can
be derived from the Lorentz transform. It was Koobee Wublee who
challenged Tom on that. It was PD aka absolutely imbecile who is just
as clueless as Tom and brought up 3 irrelevant papers on group
theories. Tom knew he was bullshitting and decided to remain silent.
PD aka absolutely imbecile continues to toss bullshit around. If PD
aka absolutely imbecile can show how the quantum intrinsic spins can
be derived from the Lorentz transform as Tom has claimed, Koobee
Wublee will be gladly to continue the discussions. However, Koobee
Wublee has predicted PD aka absolutely imbecile will continue to toss
bullshit around. In that case, the discussion does not go anywhere as
usual just like the ones where PD aka absolutely imbecile is
involved. <shrug>

[Absolutely Vertical]

On 5/20/2013 5:58 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> For the record, it was Tom who claimed the quantum intrinsic spins can
> be derived from the Lorentz transform. It was Koobee Wublee who
> challenged Tom on that. It was PD aka absolutely imbecile who is just
> as clueless as Tom and brought up 3 irrelevant papers on group
> theories. Tom knew he was bullshitting and decided to remain silent.
> PD aka absolutely imbecile continues to toss bullshit around. If PD
> aka absolutely imbecile can show how the quantum intrinsic spins can
> be derived from the Lorentz transform as Tom has claimed, Koobee
> Wublee will be gladly to continue the discussions. However, Koobee
> Wublee has predicted PD aka absolutely imbecile will continue to toss
> bullshit around. In that case, the discussion does not go anywhere as
> usual just like the ones where PD aka absolutely imbecile is
> involved. <shrug>

translation: 'i have no idea how to get instrinsic spins from
relativity. and moreover, i did not understand the referenced papers
that describe that derivation. they are therefore considered irrelevant
and dismissed. if you want to try again to explain it to me, you are
welcome to try, and if you don't, then i will declare victory.'

[Koobee Wublee]

On May 21, 2:26 am, Absolutely Testicle wrote:
> On 5/20/2013 5:58 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > Yes, PD aka absolutely imbecile likes to brag about being a
> > world class traveler after bouncing off a few webservers from one
> > corner of the world to another. PD aka absolutely imbecile is the
> > master of bullshit which Koobee Wublee would not challenge. <shrug>
>

> > For the record, it was Tom who claimed the quantum intrinsic spins can
> > be derived from the Lorentz transform. It was Koobee Wublee who
> > challenged Tom on that. It was PD aka absolutely imbecile who is just
> > as clueless as Tom and brought up 3 irrelevant papers on group
> > theories. Tom knew he was bullshitting and decided to remain silent.
> > PD aka absolutely imbecile continues to toss bullshit around. If PD
> > aka absolutely imbecile can show how the quantum intrinsic spins can
> > be derived from the Lorentz transform as Tom has claimed, Koobee
> > Wublee will be gladly to continue the discussions. However, Koobee
> > Wublee has predicted PD aka absolutely imbecile will continue to toss
> > bullshit around. In that case, the discussion does not go anywhere as
> > usual just like the ones where PD aka absolutely imbecile is
> > involved. <shrug>
>
> translation:

There is no need to translate PD’s (aka absolutely imbecile)
ignorance. We already know that PD aka absolutely imbecile: <shrug>

> '[i] have no idea how to get instrinsic spins from

> relativity. and moreover, i did not understand the referenced papers
> that describe that derivation.

Why then did PD toss these irrelevant papers around? <shrug>

> they are therefore considered irrelevant
> and dismissed.

That is what Koobee Wublee has been telling PD aka absolutely
imbecile. <shrug>

> if you want to try again to explain it to me, you are
> welcome to try, and if you don't, then i will declare victory.'

Koobee Wublee has already called Tom’s bluff. The rest is history for
the record. Keep whining, PD aka absolutely imbecile. <shrug>

[Absolutely Vertical]

On 5/21/2013 11:24 AM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On May 21, 2:26 am, Absolutely Testicle wrote:
>> On 5/20/2013 5:58 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
>
>>> Yes, PD aka absolutely imbecile likes to brag about being a
>>> world class traveler after bouncing off a few webservers from one
>>> corner of the world to another. PD aka absolutely imbecile is the
>>> master of bullshit which Koobee Wublee would not challenge. <shrug>
>>
>>> For the record, it was Tom who claimed the quantum intrinsic spins can
>>> be derived from the Lorentz transform. It was Koobee Wublee who
>>> challenged Tom on that. It was PD aka absolutely imbecile who is just
>>> as clueless as Tom and brought up 3 irrelevant papers on group
>>> theories. Tom knew he was bullshitting and decided to remain silent.
>>> PD aka absolutely imbecile continues to toss bullshit around. If PD
>>> aka absolutely imbecile can show how the quantum intrinsic spins can
>>> be derived from the Lorentz transform as Tom has claimed, Koobee
>>> Wublee will be gladly to continue the discussions. However, Koobee
>>> Wublee has predicted PD aka absolutely imbecile will continue to toss
>>> bullshit around. In that case, the discussion does not go anywhere as
>>> usual just like the ones where PD aka absolutely imbecile is
>>> involved. <shrug>
>>
>> translation:

idiot.
i was offering a translation of _your_ post.

good heavens, wublee, you are losing it rapidly. please check your
zipper before you stand up, and make sure you check your chin for drool
the next time you visit the men's room.

>
> There is no need to translate PD�s (aka absolutely imbecile)

> ignorance. We already know that PD aka absolutely imbecile: <shrug>
>
>> '[i] have no idea how to get instrinsic spins from
>> relativity. and moreover, i did not understand the referenced papers
>> that describe that derivation.
>
> Why then did PD toss these irrelevant papers around? <shrug>
>
>> they are therefore considered irrelevant
>> and dismissed.
>
> That is what Koobee Wublee has been telling PD aka absolutely
> imbecile. <shrug>
>
>> if you want to try again to explain it to me, you are
>> welcome to try, and if you don't, then i will declare victory.'
>

> Koobee Wublee has already called Tom�s bluff. The rest is history for