Peak Oil ... a scam and a con?.. . or not
hanson
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>
OP Sanny <softtank...@hotmail.com> asked & wrote:
How many years will the Oil last with current consumption rate?
... [snip] How many years all oil will be used up?
>
"Brad Guth" wrote:
As oil runs nearly out and/or gets so spendy alternatives need to
be taken seriously, [snip] I'm certain that such [multi feed stock
Fuel cells] like Bloom energy <http://tinyurl.com/ybs39pg>
as derived from natural gas does work, although it's spendier
than what we're being informed of. [snip] ...
>
hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha... your usual, chirpy green advocacy appears to turn
into groaning & moaning the moment it needs your green backs.
...ahahaha... Brad, ALL GREEN SHIT COSTS LOT OF MONEY.
That's a basic fact which the enviros are hiding under a mountains
of lies as is seen in their green Bible in: <http://tinyurl.com/yfp47wh>
>
"Brad Guth" wrote:
Oil and natural gas will probably never run entirely out, although its
getting spendy and/or supply limited is unavoidable. ..[snip]
geothermal and thorium alternatives, as well as wind and solar
unlikely to reach 10% market share by the end of this century,...
>
hanson wrote:
You are quite right, none of the C-based fuels will ever run out
as can be seen with/by basic high school chem. & geology
.So let's put detail aside and belabor the fundamentals of
"how much" & for "how long" will there be carbon based energy .
production? ..... Details in < http://tinyurl.com/ylcwu5o> wherein
it says:
>
-------- Total available fossil Carbon reserve estimate: -------
-------------- CO2 + light = Carbon + O2 (air) ------------ [1]
>
||||Each mol of existing O2 buried somewhere 1 mol of carbon||||
>
Initially, "they" say the earth had an anaerobic envelope ~0 % O2.
At hand, back then, was only (relevant) CO2 and Carbonates.
So, Photosynth. etc. has liberated by now ~21% free O2 into the
air: That translates into ~1E+21 gr or ~1E+15 tons of available
O2. Since, each 32 gr of O2 buried somewhere 12-14 gr = 1 C
(max CH4) [1], there're 1E+21 * 12/32 = 5E+20 gr or ~ 5.E+14
tons of fossil C in store. So, at a current use/consumption/burning
of 3E+15 gr/yr of oil, the fossil stuff (coal, oil & CH4) will be
reoxydised only after 5E+20 gr / 3E+15 gr/yr =~ 1.5E+05 years!
---------------- 150'000 years ---------------
>
In fact there is much more ancient buried C, cuz the earliest O2,
from the stromatolites, did not go into the air but oxidized all the
dissolved Fe2+ into Fe3+ in the early oceans, dubbed as the
"Banded Iron Formation" & thereafter O2 saturated the water first
before it enriched the atmosphere.
So, all the C from this paleo-O2 is also buried somewhere too....
>
Now, even if only *_1_% * of this estimated C resource is
available/accessible as oil , the enviro whining & crying that
"we are running out of oil", "End of the oil age", or "Peak oil",
may have some gravitas only in ----- 1500 years from now! -----
But obviously, with the hordes of little green idiots around, the
oil boys took/take advantage of their hysteria to get $$$$$$
>
-------- The genesis of coal & oil formation ---------
Again Chemistry 101 gives you the answer for an estimate:
Basically, photosynthesis creates wood, mainly cellulose:
CO2+ water & light gives cellulose types of (C6H10O5)n.
>
COAL formation: It is believed today that the decaying organic
matter from organisms/plants on land formed the peat bogs,
that turned into brown coal & finally anthracite coal beds .
|||| C6H10O5 (starch/cellulose)+heat --> 6 C (coal)+ 5 H2O
>
OIL formation: It is believed today that the remains of animal
life forms in the oceans eventually turned into Gas or Oil, per...
|||| C6H12O6 (glucose) + heat & pr ---> 3 CH4 (gas) + 3 CO2
|||| 3 C6H10O5 (cell'ose) + h&pr --> 12 CH2: (oil)+6 CO2+3 H2O
>
One can even narrow the spread for the above oil & coal
estimates by using the (animal-mass to plant-mass) ratio.
>
------- The solution to the CO2 sequestration hysteria ------
The A/GW hysteria, from the quarters of the Enviro Turds,
to force coal/oil burning el-power plants to "sequester" carbon
by pumping CO2 exhaust back into the ground is what nature
has always done, albeit @ a much slower rate, according to
|||| CO2 + CaSiO3 -- in water --> = SiO2 + CaCO3, in words:
CO2, being more acidic then SiO2, will free Quartz sand (SiO2)
from Silicate rocks (CaSiO3) and bind itself, the CO2, to the
Ca as insoluble Limestone, CaCO3, i.e. sequestering the CO2.
>
--------- The green potential of "clean Coal" ------------
Should the Coal- & Oil-boys decide to go that sequestration route
then, as is already researched and piloted, ubiquitous Ca- silicate
rocks which most of the times as present near coal bed/seams
can be engineered and processed in such a way that these chem
reactions do take place:
|||| [A] CaSiO3 + C + 2 H2O = CaCO3 + SiO2 + 2 H2
|||| [B] CaSiO3 + 2 C + 2 H2O = CaCO3 + SiO2 + CH4
>
These 2 brutto reactions, A & B, say that under suitable process
conditions Ca-Silicate rocks and Fossil Carbon deposits can
react, in the presence of Water & Catalysts, in situ, under ground
to produce only **Hydrogen &/or Methane** for capture & use
Between these 2 limit equations/processes, A&B there are
conditions that will allow to yield any type of Hydrocarbon,
CnH(2n-1), like Gasoline, Jet Fuel or Diesel & its oxygenates,
like Ethanol or Paint thinner, etc...
>
NONE of the above is new chemistry... only the chemical
engineering and the financing for it will face challenges.
Which one of these technologies, if any, will rise to large
scale commercial use is only a matter of politics & cultural
faddism... ahahahaha...
>
Other methods that are worked on now under the Hysteria
of the Green Shits are microbic processes in the ocean
and the tundra wherein Methane Hydrates are converted
by anaerobic action into H2 and Carbohydrates/Cellulose
|||| 5 CH4 + 5 H2O --- Anaerobes ---> (CH2O)5 + 10 H2
Whether the large scale use of Hydrogen, when cheap,
abundant and long-term assured availability, will emerge
as a "Hydrogen economy" is again dependent on factors
that the Green Shits have no control over... ahahaha...
>
Ain't that a bitch, but thanks for laughs, Brad... ahahaha.. ahahanson
>
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---------- Earlier Lamentations on the energy issue --------
< http://tinyurl.com/kklwuc> = The Oil Boys' game
< http://tinyurl.com/lf3w93> = No Peak Oil
<http://tinyurl.com/l8wvcr> = Anti-nuke green turds
<http://tinyurl.com/yf93dwk> = Alternative Fuels (Me/Ethanol)
<http://tinyurl.com/yafhqss> = Genesis & formation of coal & oil
<http://tinyurl.com/yjg9ta9> = Solar-1 & OPEC-Yamani's threats
<http://tinyurl.com/yjg9ta9> = Tar Sands & Ocean wave energy
<http://tinyurl.com/yg3gcqj> = Oil politics 1943 to 2007
http://tinyurl.com/yczoygl >= 2008 Bush, the Jews + Saudi Oil
<http://tinyurl.com/ybf9bqk> = Zio machination & oil supply
<http://tinyurl.com/ybs39pg> = Fuel cell Bloom Box
>
spudnik
it is simply a trade-name of oilolgical mythology
(sediments piling-up in the ocean create enough pressure
to create oil ... even though this happens, continuously,
since time immemorial).
thus:
read _The Big Bang Never Happened" by Eric Lerner,
student of the late Johannes Alfven (I have not).
thus:
what a bunch of silliness. the only real question is,
how much energy was in "de planes,"
compared to the rather small amount that is required
for a "controlled demo?" that is to say,
were the planes not adequate bombs?
thus:
the "official" report (NIST) does have interesting stuff in it
-- I linked to it via the link to Wiki --
for example, "Figure 9.3. Minimum heating of reinforced heavy columns
to initiate global collapse," which shows "temperature range
for a 50% redicution in steel strength," as opposed
to the typical desideratum of "melting" that is promoted.
thus:
please, don't bother
with the pro-hominemania of your supposed status
as a practicing physicist and/or trained netdoggy!
proabably most of the interpretation of the EPR "paradox"
results,
a la Alain Aspect et al, is due to the ideal of a photon,
in assinging all of the energy of the wave-front
as a "mass" (electron-voltage, say) of a particle, whence
the wave-energy was somehow collected
by the photoeletrical device. here are two ways to get over this: a)
just consider the practice of audio quantization, the phonon; b)
show how the photoelectrical device is actually tuned
to absorb a particular frequency of light.
so, is the "phonon" just one cycle of the period of the sound,
and
like-wise, is the photon just one cycle of the frequency?
--Light: A History!
http://wlym.com
--Weber's electron, Moon's nucleus!
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/
--The Ides of March Are Coming:
Pro-Impeachment Democrat
Wins Nomination in Texas!
http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2010/lar_pac/100303kesha_victory.html
hanson
"spudnik", the Potato head , <Spac...@hotmail.com>
being between jobs, and loaded, as usual, "thus" wrote
about "Fossilized ... oilolgical mythology piling-up to create
continuously, time immemorial" intellectual potatoes of his ...
> thus [he was looking for Mashed Potato, that he did not find]
> thus [he was looking for Fried Potato, that he did not find]
> thus [he was looking for Potato Chips, that he did not find]
> thus [he was looking for Potato Salad, that he did not find]
> thus [he was looking for Potato Chips, that he did not find]..
> thus:[Pothead spudnick gave up & said: "please, don't bother"
because it was far above his pothead-horizon to comprehend
what was posted "thus" in <http://tinyurl.com/ygmj8d4>
or in /9d3eedf7028f5063:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/9d3eedf7028f5063
about the discussed subject matter . But and so, "thus" pothead,
thanks for the laughs... ahahahaha... ahahahahanson
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have increased by a factor of 100.
Sustainable oil?
Posted: May 25, 2004
By Chris Bennett
About 80 miles off of the coast of Louisiana lies a mostly submerged
mountain, the top of which is known as Eugene Island. The portion
underwater is an eerie-looking, sloping tower jutting up from the
depths of the Gulf of Mexico, with deep fissures and perpendicular
faults which spontaneously spew natural gas. A significant reservoir
of crude oil was discovered nearby in the late '60s, and by 1970, a
platform named Eugene 330 was busily producing about 15,000 barrels a
day of high-quality crude oil.
By the late '80s, the platform's production had slipped to less than
4,000 barrels per day, and was considered pumped out. Done. Suddenly,
in 1990, production soared back to 15,000 barrels a day, and the
reserves which had been estimated at 60 million barrels in the '70s,
were recalculated at 400 million barrels. Interestingly, the measured
geological age of the new oil was quantifiably different than the oil
pumped in the '70s.
Analysis of seismic recordings revealed the presence of a "deep fault"
at the base of the Eugene Island reservoir which was gushing up a
river of oil from some deeper and previously unknown source.
Similar results were seen at other Gulf of Mexico oil wells. Similar
results were found in the Cook Inlet oil fields in Alaska. Similar
results were found in oil fields in Uzbekistan. Similarly in the
Middle East, where oil exploration and extraction have been underway
for at least the last 20 years, known reserves have doubled. Currently
there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 680 billion barrels of
Middle East reserve oil.
Creating that much oil would take a big pile of dead dinosaurs and
fermenting prehistoric plants. Could there be another source for crude
oil?
An intriguing theory now permeating oil company research staffs
suggests that crude oil may actually be a natural inorganic product,
not a stepchild of unfathomable time and organic degradation. The
theory suggests there may be huge, yet-to-be-discovered reserves of
oil at depths that dwarf current world estimates.
The theory is simple: Crude oil forms as a natural inorganic process
which occurs between the mantle and the crust, somewhere between 5 and
20 miles deep. The proposed mechanism is as follows:
•
• Methane (CH4) is a common molecule found in quantity throughout our
solar system – huge concentrations exist at great depth in the Earth.
•
• At the mantle-crust interface, roughly 20,000 feet beneath the
surface, rapidly rising streams of compressed methane-based gasses hit
pockets of high temperature causing the condensation of heavier
hydrocarbons. The product of this condensation is commonly known as
crude oil.
•
• Some compressed methane-based gasses migrate into pockets and
reservoirs we extract as "natural gas."
•
• In the geologically "cooler," more tectonically stable regions
around the globe, the crude oil pools into reservoirs.
•
• In the "hotter," more volcanic and tectonically active areas, the
oil and natural gas continue to condense and eventually to oxidize,
producing carbon dioxide and steam, which exits from active volcanoes.
•
• Periodically, depending on variations of geology and Earth
movement, oil seeps to the surface in quantity, creating the vast oil-
sand deposits of Canada and Venezuela, or the continual seeps found
beneath the Gulf of Mexico and Uzbekistan.
•
• Periodically, depending on variations of geology, the vast, deep
pools of oil break free and replenish existing known reserves of oil.
•
There are a number of observations across the oil-producing regions of
the globe that support this theory, and the list of proponents begins
with Mendelev (who created the periodic table of elements) and
includes Dr. Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University
Center for Radiophysics and Space Research) and Dr. J.F. Kenney of Gas
Resources Corporations, Houston, Texas.
In his 1999 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," Dr. Gold presents
compelling evidence for inorganic oil formation. He notes that
geologic structures where oil is found all correspond to "deep earth"
formations, not the haphazard depositions we find with sedimentary
rock, associated fossils or even current surface life.
He also notes that oil extracted from varying depths from the same oil
field have the same chemistry – oil chemistry does not vary as fossils
vary with increasing depth. Also interesting is the fact that oil is
found in huge quantities among geographic formations where assays of
prehistoric life are not sufficient to produce the existing reservoirs
of oil. Where then did it come from?
Another interesting fact is that every oil field throughout the world
has outgassing helium. Helium is so often present in oil fields that
helium detectors are used as oil-prospecting tools. Helium is an inert
gas known to be a fundamental product of the radiological decay or
uranium and thorium, identified in quantity at great depths below the
surface of the earth, 200 and more miles below. It is not found in
meaningful quantities in areas that are not producing methane, oil or
natural gas. It is not a member of the dozen or so common elements
associated with life. It is found throughout the solar system as a
thoroughly inorganic product.
Even more intriguing is evidence that several oil reservoirs around
the globe are refilling themselves, such as the Eugene Island
reservoir – not from the sides, as would be expected from cocurrent
organic reservoirs, but from the bottom up.
Dr. Gold strongly believes that oil is a "renewable, primordial soup
continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and
tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface,
it is attached by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin
dating back to the dinosaurs."
Smaller oil companies and innovative teams are using this theory to
justify deep oil drilling in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, among
other locations, with some success. Dr. Kenney is on record predicting
that parts of Siberia contain a deep reservoir of oil equal to or
exceeding that already discovered in the Middle East.
Could this be true?
In August 2002, in the "Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences (US)," Dr. Kenney published a paper, which had a partial
title of "The genesis of hydrocarbons and the origin of petroleum."
Dr. Kenney and three Russian coauthors conclude:
The Hydrogen-Carbon system does not spontaneously evolve hydrocarbons
at pressures less than 30 Kbar, even in the most favorable
environment. The H-C system evolves hydrocarbons under pressures found
in the mantle of the Earth and at temperatures consistent with that
environment.
He was quoted as stating that "competent physicists, chemists,
chemical engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have known
that natural petroleum does not evolve from biological materials since
the last quarter of the 19th century."
Deeply entrenched in our culture is the belief that at some point in
the relatively near future we will see the last working pump on the
last functioning oil well screech and rattle, and that will be that.
The end of the Age of Oil. And unless we find another source of cheap
energy, the world will rapidly become a much darker and dangerous
place.
If Dr. Gold and Dr. Kenney are correct, this "the end of the world as
we know it" scenario simply won't happen. Think about it ... while not
inexhaustible, deep Earth reserves of inorganic crude oil and
commercially feasible extraction would provide the world with
generations of low-cost fuel. Dr. Gold has been quoted saying that
current worldwide reserves of crude oil could be off by a
Related links:
Gas Origin Theories To Be Studied
The Mystery Of Eugene Island 330
Odd Reservoir Off Louisiana Prods Oil Experts To Seek A Deeper Meaning
Fuel's Paradise
Chris Bennett manages an environmental engineering division for a West
Coast technology firm. He and his wife of 26 years make their home on
the San Francisco Bay.
hanson
in <http://tinyurl.com/ygmj8d4> or in /9d3eedf7028f5063:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/9d3eedf7028f5063
>
hanson
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<leona...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
In any case, solar PV is going to be the cheapest energy source bar none
within 20 years.
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
leona...@gmail.com
wrote:
> On 13/03/2010 05:42, hanson wrote:
> > Excellent add-on to the C-CO2 lay-out in post:
> > in <http://tinyurl.com/ygmj8d4> or in /9d3eedf7028f5063:
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/9d3eedf7028f5063
>
> > Thanks, Leonard,
> > hanson
>
> > <leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In any case, solar PV is going to be the cheapest energy source bar none
> within 20 years.
ø ROTFLMAO — Cite please
1- Solar power is only marginally useful and that
is only in areas remote from a grid.
2- Large solar arrays are already crumbling not
only because of locations but also because of
insufficient sunlight. The Citicorp bldg has a
solar panel a city block square. It has not
produced enough energy to heat the water in
the lavatories.
3- In 20 years the amount of sunlight hours will
be rapidly decreased — sufficiently eliminating
solar power as an useful source
ø The issue is really irrelevant.
Nobody can control the wind
Nobody can control the rain or snow
Nobody (collectively) can control climate.
Global temps are within natural variations
Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation
Get used to it!!
— —
| In real science the burden of proof is always
| on the proposer, never on the skeptics. So far
| neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
| iota of valid data for global warming nor have
| they provided data that climate change is being
| effected by commerce and industry, and not by
| natural causes
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Yes, come 2012 the world will be plunged into a new Dark Age when the
sun goes out.
Brad Guth
wrote:
> On 13/03/2010 05:42, hanson wrote:
>
>
>
> > Excellent add-on to the C-CO2 lay-out in post:
> > in <http://tinyurl.com/ygmj8d4> or in /9d3eedf7028f5063:
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/9d3eedf7028f5063
>
> > Thanks, Leonard,
> > hanson
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
>
> In any case, solar PV is going to be the cheapest energy source bar none
> within 20 years.
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe- Occult Talk Show
Correct, and $1000/barrel oil will be powering those Rothschild yachts
and their fleet of private 787s.
~ BG
Brad Guth
wrote:
>
> read more »
So, with the sky 50% more clouded over we run everything on thorium
and geothermal.
Notice how the Rothschilds never complain about the cost of energy.
~ BG
Brad Guth
> Brad Guth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> <http://tinyurl.com/ybf9bqk> = Zio machination & oil supply
> <http://tinyurl.com/ybs39pg> = Fuel cell Bloom Box
>
So many words, and still insufficient hydrocarbon fuels, with demand
due to more than double by the end of this century.
~ BG
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
I've not noticed many rich people complain about the cost of anything,
except possibly yachts and private jets.
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
The biggest market for PV will be split between domestic installation,
and deserts.
Last Post
>
> So many words, and still insufficient hydrocarbon fuels, with demand
> due to more than double by the end of this century.
ø Current coal, crude and natural gas reserves are
more than adequate for the next century and more.
.o0~0o.
current worldwide reserves of crude oil could be off by a factor of
over 100.
spudnik
has been said to be similar to that in the solar wind.
glad to see that Gold's theory was also made by Mendeleev, but
that doesn't mean that it's correct. there was also a statement,
"the measured geological age of the new oil was quantifiably different
than the oil
pumped in the '70s" and, also,
"oil extracted from varying depths from the same oil field have the
same chemistry
– oil chemistry does not vary as fossils vary with increasing depth;"
so,
what is the method to date it?
> >>>>> Another interesting fact is that every oil field throughout the world
> >>>>> has outgassing helium. Helium is so often present in oil fields that
> >>>>> helium detectors are used as oil-prospecting tools. Helium is an inert
> >>>>> gas known to be a fundamental product of the radiological decay or
> >>>>> uranium and thorium, identified in quantity at great depths below the
> >>>>> surface of the earth, 200 and more miles below. It is not found in
> >>>>> meaningful quantities in areas that are not producing methane, oil or
> >>>>> natural gas. It is not a member of the dozen or so common elements
> >>>>> associated with life. It is found throughout the solar system as a
> >>>>> thoroughly inorganic product.
> >>>>> Even more intriguing is evidence that several oil reservoirs around
> >>>>> the globe are refilling themselves, such as the Eugene Island
> >>>>> reservoir – not from the sides, as would be expected from cocurrent
> >>>>> organic reservoirs, but from the bottom up.
> >>>>> Dr. Gold strongly believes that oil is a "renewable, primordial soup
> >>>>> continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and
> >>>>> tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface,
> >>>>> it is attached by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin
> >>>>> dating back to the dinosaurs."
> >>> 1- Solar power is only marginally useful and that
> >>> is only in areas remote from a grid.
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thus:
so, is the "phonon" just one cycle of the period of the sound,
and like-wise, is the photon just one cycle of the frequency (sik) ??
spudnik
to pass, mandatorizing the large USA voluntary cap & trade, as
in the much-larger EU cap & trade, and you won't be
able to afford to build a rickety PV-field.
> ø Current coal, crude and natural gas reserves are
> more than adequate for the next century and more.
thus:
the ratio of He3/He4, coming out of the midocean ridges & vents,
has been said to be similar to that in the solar wind.
glad to see that Gold's theory was also made by Mendeleev, but
that doesn't mean that it's correct. there was also a statement,
"the measured geological age of the new oil was quantifiably different
than the oil
pumped in the '70s" and, also,
"oil extracted from varying depths from the same oil field have the
same chemistry
– oil chemistry does not vary as fossils vary with increasing depth;"
so,
what is the method to date it?
> >>>>> Even more intriguing is evidence that several oil reservoirs around
> >>>>> the globe are refilling themselves, such as the Eugene Island
> >>>>> reservoir – not from the sides, as would be expected from cocurrent
> >>>>> organic reservoirs, but from the bottom up.
> >>>>> Dr. Gold strongly believes that oil is a "renewable, primordial soup
> >>>>> continually manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and
> >>>>> tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface,
> >>>>> it is attached by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin
> >>>>> dating back to the dinosaurs."
> >>> 1- Solar power is only marginally useful and that
> >>> only in Space!