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Positron

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:16:13 AM11/25/09
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I have attempted a simple thought experiment with buoyancy and density
changes and have attempted to model the situation mathematically. The
main objective have been to investigate the relationship between
applied work and energy potentially harvested from the system by
changing the density of an object with with one mechanism and
harvesting the energy potential produced by this using another method.

Depending on the situation, my current mathematical model indicates a
theoretical net energy gain, depending on certain specifications such
as the relationship between size and weight of the object. Realizing
that this is widely considered to be impossible, I suspect that there
must be some mistake in my approach or model. I have been unable to
find it as yet, and would appreciate it if you could investigate the
situation and give your input.

I have made the spreadsheet I used to do my calculations as well as a
short explanatory slideshow available:
http://sites.google.com/site/thetied/discussions/thoughtexperiment-densityandbouyancy

I will appreciate it if you could send your comments to the link below
as I may miss something posted in the newsgroups, although I will look
regularly.
http://sourcequest.freeforums.org/density-buoyancy-harvester-thought-experiment-t3.html

Thank you.


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The documents on the author's web page appear to have been produced
by some recent version of microsoft office. I was unable to read them
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Advice:
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Androcles

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:48:38 AM11/25/09
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"Positron" <posi...@live.co.za> wrote in message
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>I have attempted a simple thought experiment with buoyancy and density
> changes
What, again?
You did that yesterday and it was just as stupid then as it is now.


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Uncle Al

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:40:23 PM11/25/09
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Positron wrote:
>
> I have attempted a simple thought experiment with buoyancy and density
> changes and have attempted to model the situation mathematically. The
> main objective have been to investigate the relationship between
> applied work and energy potentially harvested from the system by
> changing the density of an object with with one mechanism and
> harvesting the energy potential produced by this using another method.
>
> Depending on the situation, my current mathematical model indicates a
> theoretical net energy gain, depending on certain specifications such
> as the relationship between size and weight of the object. Realizing
> that this is widely considered to be impossible, I suspect that there
> must be some mistake in my approach or model. I have been unable to
> find it as yet, and would appreciate it if you could investigate the
> situation and give your input.
[snip]

1) Time is homogeneous.
2) Noether's theorems.
3) Mass-energy is locally conserved.

Modality is irrelevant. There is no path a center of mass can pursue
that will give a final mgh other than that due to the endpoints.



> I will appreciate it if you could send your comments to the link below
> as I may miss something posted in the newsgroups, although I will look
> regularly.

You are wrong.

> [[Mod. note --
>
> The documents on the author's web page appear to have been produced
> by some recent version of microsoft office. I was unable to read them
> using any of the free microsoft-reader programs I have on my computer.
>
> Advice:
> If you're asking people to look at your document, it's useful to have
> this document in a format that as many people as possible will be able
> to read. pdf (for example) would reach a considerably larger audience
> than microsoft-office-that's-too-new-for-openoffice-to-grok-it.
> -- jt]]


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