Newsgroups: sci.physics.research
From: Toby Bartels <t...@math.ucr.edu>
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:39:28 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Thurs, Apr 18 2002 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: Extending the n-category table
John Baez wrote in part:
>This may seem silly, but it's not! There is a nice relation Ah, the sins of my wayward youth. >between all this business and the notion of "n-stuff". But I'm >getting worn out, so instead of explaining that, I'll just quote >some articles that James Dolan and Toby Bartels wrote on >sci.physics.research when they were first figuring out this "n-stuff" stuff. >From: "james dolan" <jdo...@math.ucr.edu> Well, Jim is right, >Subject: Re: Just Categories now >Date: 16 Nov 1998 00:00:00 GMT >Toby Bartels wrote: >>Given a functor U: C -> D, interpret U as a forgetful functor. >>Then C is D with extra *structure* if U is surjective on the >>objects and, given a pair of objects, injective on the >>morphisms between them; and C is D with extra *properties* if >>U is injective on the morphisms (meaning injective on the >>objects and on the morphisms between a given pair); Otherwise, >>I guess C is just D with extra *stuff* if, given a pair of >>objects, U is injective on the morphisms between them. >given groupoids c,d and a functor u:c->d, the objects of c can >be thought of via the forgetful functor u as objects of d with >an extra _property_ iff u is full and faithful, as objects of d >with extra _structure_ iff u is faithful, and as objects of d >with extra _stuff_ regardless. but it turns out that my definition for "structure" wasn't as bad as we originally thought. It's wrong -- acording to it, groups aren't sets with extra structure, simply because the empy set cannot be made into a group -- but it *is* essentially the definition of being *only* extra structure. First note the theorem that a functor between categories Now, a forgetful functor is *only* extra stuff iff Just as a function between sets can be factored Also note that while only stuff, only structure, and property >given groupoids c,d and a functor u:c->d, the objects of c can To continue with the dimension that Jim forgot at first (-2), >be thought of via the forgetful functor u as objects of d with >an extra _property_ iff the homotopy fibers of u are all of >homotopy dimension -1, as objects of d with extra _structure_ >iff the homotopy fibers of u are all of homotopy dimension 0, >and, and as objects of d with extra _stuff_ iff the homotopy >fibers of u are all of homotopy dimension 1. U is an equivalence of categories iff its homotopy fibres all have dimension -2. >hopefully this makes the intuition behind the concepts a bit So if U: C -> D is an equivalence of categories, >clearer. a "property" is something which, if you possess it >at all, then you have no choice in _how_ to possess it, you >just do. a "structure" is something which if you possess it >then possessing it involves picking a particular structure in >a way analogous to picking an element of a set. "stuff" is >something which if you possess it then possessing it amounts >to picking some particular stuff in a way analogous to picking >an object of a groupoid. then an object of D just *is* an object of C and (once U has been specified) that's all that there is to say about it. Similarly, there just *is* a -2category, and that's all that there is to say about it. But if U: C -> D is full and faithful (extra property), Then if U: C -> D is faithful (extra structure), Then if U: C -> D is any functor whatsoever (extra stuff), >From: james dolan <jdo...@math.ucr.edu> For example, is a Riemannian manifold, >Subject: Re: Just Categories now >Date: 05 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT >Toby Bartels wrote: >>You seem to agree with John Baez's classification, >>but he doesn't feel the need to limit to groupoids; >>perhaps a word on how you think that complicates things? >it complicates things in the obvious way: a single concept in groupoid >theory (for example the concept of "faithful functor between >groupoids") may bifurcate into non-equivalent concepts in category >theory (for example the concepts of "faithful functor between >categories" and "functor between categories which is faithful on >isomorphisms"); the necessity of worrying about the distinctions >between such non-equivalent concepts is eliminated by discussing only >the groupoid case. but presumably you're also asking why it is that >in this tradeoff between simplicity and generality i chose simplicity, >so i'll try to say something about that too. which is naturally equipped with a connection on the tangent bundle, a space-with-connection with extra structure (to wit the structure of a Riemannian metric that reproduces the connection)? We have discussed this on this board before. >From the groupoid POV, yes. This is, in part, because isometries preserve the connection. >From the category POV, no. This is because uninvertible unitary maps need not preserve the connection, so there is no functor. The problem here has light shed on it by the following example: A _semigroup_ is a set with a binary operation; I like to describe the situation in which Now we see what went wrong with RiemManW/Conn The functor on the right is the functor of extra structure, from any POV. All of this -n-category stuff suggests a creation story that I'm developing. In the beginning, there was nothing. -- Toby You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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