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From: to...@cc.usu.edu (Charles Torre)
Date: 2000/06/28
Subject: Re: Hamiltonian Dynamics = Adiabatic Processes Only?
Norbert Dragon <dra...@itp.uni-hannover.de writes: Right. Well, there is one interesting exception. If 2 > * Charles Torre to...@cc.usu.edu writes: >> What's perhaps a little more amusing in this regard are the systems > The correspondence of Euler-Lagrange equations and Lagrangean is Lagrangians, say L_1 and L_2 have the same Euler-Lagrange equations then their difference, L_0 = L_1 - L_2 must have identically vanishing Euler-Lagrange equations. L_0 is > However, it may turn out that different systems of equations have > An example of two different, local functionals with the same set of could have two Lagrangians whose Euler-Lagrange (EL) equations are *equivalent* instead of identical. (I had inadvertently drifted into this point of view when I made the comment about inequivalent Lagrangians and quantum theory. Thanks for keeping me honest.) This point of view gives a much more useful (and much harder) form of the inverse problem in the calculus of variations: when is there a Lagrangian whose EL equations are *equivalent* (rather than identical) to a specified set of equations. I say that this point of view is more useful since one often times does not have equations expressed in just the right form to be EL equations, even though there is an underlying Lagrangian for the dynamical system of interest. For example, the vacuum Einstein equations G_ab=0 (G is the Einstein tensor) are not the EL equations of any Lagrangian. (Wait! Don't shoot until after you read the next two sentences.) But they are equivalent to a system of equations E_ab=0 which ARE EL equations. Here E is the Einstein tensor multiplied by the square root of the determinant of the metric. The paper by Anderson and Thompson that I cited earlier in this Charles Torre You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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