Message from discussion Thermal imaging of the area near a black hole
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From: "Anon E. Mouse" <agall...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Thermal imaging of the area near a black hole
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> Voids do not arise because black holes ate up the stuff which used to be
> there. =A0Far from a black hole, it looks like any other mass. =A0Close i=
> yes, it can swallow things, but the timescale is much too long.
> > To Newtonian physics a violation of conservation. Relativity makes
> > things a bit better, in that the mass/energy that has gone dark can be
> > understood, and perhaps even accounted for, BUT, this negative entropy
> > seems to me to be a possible violation of the Equivalence Principle as
> > well.
> Please explain.
> > This, could be an important finding. It may, or may not, have a
> > parallel in Quantum Theory in the elusive Higg's Boson. If it becomes
> > demonstrable that the mass defect currently attributed to the Higg's
> > Boson is actually a Schwarzshild type observational limit, then the
> > stress energy actually present whithin the nucleus may only be
> > directly observed nearly at, or below this limit, or indirectly
> > observed as a excess of kinetic energy upon some types of nuclear
> > decay.
> Please explain.
In an EFE model of a black hole the mass/energy contained within the
Swartzschild demonstrates its existence by the ongoing deformation of
the stress energy tensor causing closed field lines and unobservable
matter and light.
If the mass/energy were truly gone so would be the distortion of the
stress-energy and metrics. I.e. no lensing.
Since the mass/energy is there - a fact demonstrated by the on going
lensing, the heat, e/m, mass and kinetic energies are there also - a
reasonable inference, based on theory.
None the less these energies can not be directly observed and so an
simple accounting would show a mass/energy deficit.
An inferential accounting based on EFE theory could produce a better
If gravitation propagates according to realtivistic limits then a
great deal of stress-energy is also globally unaccounted. Thus, all
the recognized forms of energy according to EFE become invisible to
direct observation, distorting the proper accounting by creating a
shortage which could be represented by an entropy term. However, there
is presently no such entropy term in the EFE. Thus, I infer there may
be an issue with the completeness of the EFE and further I begin to
identify the character of that incompleteness.
If, black holes continuously accumulate mass/energy/entropy then the
Equivalence principle is not just damaged in a way that an entropy
term could possibly repair, instead it is actually broken. On the
other hand if heat energy can escape black holes then equivalence is
possibly still preserved.
As to a mechanism for heat transfer that does not in and of itself
violate EFE... If there is molecular kinetic motion inside the
Swartzshild radius then the black body radiations associated with the
cooling of this matter and its loss of kinetic energy contributing to
its bound condition could radiate upward with decreasing frequency and
when absorbed increase the kinetics of a higher orbital molecule. This
process can be repeated causing a fairly uniform heating and kinetic
for the in falling matter with a very large amount of radiant heat
escaping, the Schartzshild radius via thermal tunneling. Some quantity
of this composite energy may have started as visible light, but can
only escape at much lower wave-lengths, however these lower
frequencies when absorbed simply increase higher orbital kinetics and
so on. Florescent lights perform this a protion of this trick all the
time. I also observe that in the image of the accretion disk in
reference paper the false blue color is quite uniform. A shocking
observation if only gravitation and kinetics are involved, as a bright
blue/white center is what I would predict, if and only if thermal
radiant pressure were not present.
In terms of QFT;
Nuclei exhibit somewhat similar characteristics. The energetic
accounting is off, in comparison to "normal" matter. Binding energies
are anomalously great in relation to the kinetics of the broken pieces
leading to mass deficits of various types. These deficits are
typically not dealt with as entropy in current theory, but the
particles that fill this hypothetically entropic niche are
persistently not observed.
I began this thread as a search for better models and terminology and
I do sincerely lack both the mathematical frame work and proper terms
to explain this hypothesis more fully than this. I apologize for this
limitation on my part and I again thank those who are commenting.
I will reference the authors you mention and see if this model
provides any helpful material.