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 More options Sep 10 2005, 11:09 am
Newsgroups: sci.physics.research
From: "nightlight" <nightli...@omegapoint.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:09:25 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sat, Sep 10 2005 11:09 am
Subject: Re: photoelectric effect : hypothetical experiment

> I said a single photon and a freq =f such that work function = hf.

Single photon has infinite extent in time and space. They are thus
unsuitable for coincidence measurements (which you would need to
establish whether there is any additional/nonclassical anticorrelation
or exclusivity in the counts/ionisations on the two plates). An easy
way to see the problem is to consider Heinseberg uncertainty relation
for the single photon f states. The time-energy uncertainty relations
dE*dt >= h/2  imply that for fixed frequency photon (dE=0) you will
have dT=infinity, making any timestamping of ionization events
meaningless. The states with minimum uncertainty (with the  equality:
dE*dt = h/2) correspond to the coherent states of EM field, which are
perfectly classical states (for coherent states the photon number
observable has Poissonian distribution of photocounts, which is what
classical EM predicts as well).  More generally, the sharp photon
number states (which are a basis within the sharp energy
eigen-subspaces) cannot be used for Quantum Optical coincidence
measurement due to dT=infinity, and the optimum coincidence
measurements (the minimum uncertainty) are obtained for coherent
states, thus their counts correlations will be classical.

Note also that the coherent states can approach limit dE=0 with
arbitrary precision (in which case dT --> infinity), which means that
for any measurement with non-coherent states with arbitrarily small
(but finite) dE, there is a corresponding coherent state with the
exactly same dE, but with the smaller dT uncertainty i.e. it will have
a sharper coincidence. Hence, the best any actual (dT=finite) photon
coincidence measurements can give you is the classical (Poissonian
source) correlations.


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