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El viernes, 28 de septiembre de 2012 12:21:13 UTC-4, tjrob137  escribi=F3:
> On 9/28/12 9/28/12 - 8:54 AM, Big Dog wrote:
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> > On 9/28/2012 3:26 AM, Y wrote:
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> >> If light contains relativistic mass, as we burn fossil fuels to create
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> >> artificial lighting, the Earth loses rest mass into outer space via
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> >> light. Could this loss of mass be drawing us nearer or further to the
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> >> sun ?
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> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIp2ZGND1I9Q
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> > Here's an interesting exercise to calculate.
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> > Which is more?
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> > The light radiated from the earth by burning fossil fuels?
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> > The light received by the earth from the sun?
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> > As you can see, the answer here will have an impact on your other quest=
ion.
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> Don't forget the influx of micrometeorites. And big ones. There is also a=
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> of the atmosphere, and simple escape of hydrogen and helium. Plus the occ=
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> space probe launch. I'll bet these affect earth's mass far more than eith=
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> the above. These are just the effects that come immediately to mind; ther=
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> surely are others....
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> Also, a simple increase in the mass of the earth would only affect its or=
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> higher orders (e.g. via increased interactions with other planets or the=
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> oblateness of the sun, or more pulling of the sun away from the barycente=
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> the solar system). Variations in the mass of the sun are larger and MUCH =
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> Note that all of the effects in my first paragraph transfer momentum to t=
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> earth, which affects its orbit directly, and that can have a direct effec=
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> the mean orbital radius. Experimentally, their sum is VERY tiny.
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> Tom Roberts

Also, there is the gravitational effect that the loss of mass of the Sun, t=
hrough its fusion process and radiation, produce on the Earth orbit. It is =
predicted that when the Sun goes into its red giant phase, it will have los=
t so much mass as to produce the Earth to move to the current orbit of Mars=
 and so, it will barely escape from its fate of being consumed in the Sun g=
rowing atmosphere.