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Juan R.

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Dec 12, 2008, 11:53:56 AM12/12/08
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As promised the article on how Dono well into the trap is already
available

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/12/catching-big-troll.html


Initially, I waited Dono, the troll, would repeat the same mistakes
that he did in the past and I could not reproduce because he deleted
his messages.

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-samples-of-usenet-fauna-iii-nasty.html

Then I only could cite some nonsense he wrote like

> the relativistic Lagrangian is indeed:
>
> L=-m_0*c^2 *(1-(v/c)^2)

which is archived in places as

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/6db93e88919413fe?

and

http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.physics.relativity/2008-07/msg00824.html

But I could not cite other nonsense he said. For laughing, I prepared
a trap for trolls using the recommendation in the troll FAQ and, of
course, Dono fall into it :-)

Dono repeated the same mistakes than before but now, he added some
other new mistakes :-)

This time it was all well-linked and quoted, before Dono could start
to delete his nonsensical messages again...

We already knew that Dono, the troll, has no idea of relativity and
mechanics. Now, we know he has no idea of electrodynamics also.

His two more laughable posts are:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/7c1b2697a4e73960

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/f5bee64f3b044249

The old mistakes Dono repeats above were already commented in previous
articles:

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-samples-of-usenet-fauna-iii-nasty.html

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-samples-of-usenet-fauna-ii.html

Therefore, in the new article I have commented only the new mistakes
that the troll does, such as his wrong definition of electric field or
his wrong definition of p :-)

Yes, after *six* months Dono, the troll, still cannot solve a trivial
exercise as obtaining the relativistic Hamiltonian from the given
Lagrangian!

Their first attempt:

H = L = – mc^2 * [1 – v^2/ c^2 ]

FAILED

Their second attempt:

H = – mc^2 [1 – v^2 / c^2 ]^1/2

FAILED

Their third attempt:

H = – mc^2 [1 – p^2 / (mc)^2 ]^1/2

FAILED

Their fourth attempt:

H = gamma*m0*v^2 + m0c^2/gamma + e*phi – eAv

FAILED


But the more interesting part of this bizarre individual, Dono, is
that he continues claiming to be an expert in the topic and continues
posting completely wrong stuff!

The article includes extra material as images of Dono and an online
chat.

Dono

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Dec 12, 2008, 12:12:29 PM12/12/08
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Juan R.

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Dec 12, 2008, 12:29:32 PM12/12/08
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On 12 dic, 18:12, Dono <sa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Dec 12, 8:53 am, "JuanShito R."
>
> <juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com> wrote:
> > snip imbecilities<
>
> Cretin, Juanshito:

Wow Dono, you give me 73 stars! Last time you falsified Groups rating
you were banned by administrators

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-samples-of-usenet-fauna-iii-nasty.html

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamiltonian_mechanics#Charged_particle_i...

An approximation to the Hamiltonian given in

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/12/catching-big-troll.html

Troll, *your* Hamiltonian

H = gamma*m0*v^2 + m0c^2/gamma + e*phi – eAv

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/f5bee64f3b044249

is pure nonsense. You are a PRETENDER. After six month still can solve
this trivial exercise :-)

Juan R.

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Dec 12, 2008, 12:37:55 PM12/12/08
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On 12 dic, 18:29, "Juan R." <juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com>
wrote:

> On 12 dic, 18:12, Dono <sa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 12, 8:53 am, "JuanShito R."
>
> > <juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com> wrote:
> > > snip imbecilities<
>
> > Cretin, Juanshito:
>
> Wow Dono, you give me 73 stars! Last time you falsified Groups rating
> you were banned by administrators
>
> http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-samples-of-usenet-f...

>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamiltonian_mechanics#Charged_particle_i...
>
> An approximation to the Hamiltonian given in
>
> http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/12/catching-big-troll.html
>
> Troll, *your* Hamiltonian
>
> H = gamma*m0*v^2 + m0c^2/gamma + e*phi – eAv
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/f5bee64f3b0...

That is another nonsensical message from you. The message where you
wrote the wrong Hamiltonian is

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/7c1b2697a4e73960

TROLL :-)

Dono

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Dec 12, 2008, 1:00:11 PM12/12/08
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On Dec 12, 9:37 am, "JuanShito R."
<juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com> wrote:
> snip pathetic whinning from old fart Juanshito<

This is all you can answer, pathetic old fart.
Look at paragraph 1.5, Juanshito imbecile:

http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/people/JamesBinney/cmech.pdf


Eric Gisse

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Dec 12, 2008, 1:00:52 PM12/12/08
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On Dec 12, 7:53 am, "Juan R." <juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com>
wrote:
> As promised [...]

How about posting the article that explain why GR has no Newtonian
limit? You've been promising that for years now.

How about responding to criticisms of arguments with something other
than character assassination attempts?

How about you stop being a disgusting little troll?

Juan R.

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Dec 12, 2008, 1:13:48 PM12/12/08
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Pathetic old fart. It certifies you are an IGNORANT TROLL.

First the section 1.5 explain that of L = T - V. You and Eric both
were corrected about this in the past

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-samples-of-usenet-fauna-ii.html

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-samples-of-usenet-fauna-iii-nasty.html

and your repeated this mistake again in the trap :-)

here

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/12/catching-big-troll.html

and here

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/f5bee64f3b044249

The expression 1.31 in cmech.pdf is only valid for low velocity.

The expression given for electric field is correct. The same
expression given in

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/12/catching-big-troll.html

The expression you wrote is wrong

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/7c1b2697a4e73960

He does not obtain the Hamiltonian. The Hamiltonian is given in

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/12/catching-big-troll.html

The Hamiltonian you wrote is completely wrong

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/7c1b2697a4e73960

You FELL into the trap :-)

After six month still you cannot obtain the Hamiltonian PRETENDER :-)

Dono

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Dec 12, 2008, 1:34:05 PM12/12/08
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It's fun to see the despicable weasel squirm :-)

Dono

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Dec 12, 2008, 1:35:36 PM12/12/08
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On Dec 12, 10:13 am, "JuanShito R."

<juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com> wrote:
>
> The expression 1.31 in cmech.pdf is only valid for low velocity.
>
> The expression given for electric field is correct.

Juanshito, old fart

It is fun to see you weasel squim. :-)

Juan R.

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Dec 12, 2008, 1:49:29 PM12/12/08
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It is fun you wrote wrong E, p and H.

Yes, after *six* months Dono you still cannot solve a trivial


exercise as obtaining the relativistic Hamiltonian from the given
Lagrangian!

First attempt:

H = L = – mc^2 * [1 – v^2/ c^2 ]

FAILED

Second attempt:

H = – mc^2 [1 – v^2 / c^2 ]^1/2

FAILED

Third attempt:

H = – mc^2 [1 – p^2 / (mc)^2 ]^1/2

FAILED

Fourth attempt:

H = gamma*m0*v^2 + m0c^2/gamma + e*phi – eAv

FAILED

How many more months you need?

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/12/catching-big-troll.html

Dono

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Dec 12, 2008, 1:58:09 PM12/12/08
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On Dec 12, 10:49 am, "JuanShito R."

Juan R.

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Dec 12, 2008, 2:05:42 PM12/12/08
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Do you really think that changing the title people will be not
noticing that you wrote wrong E, p, and H :-)

Yes, after *six* months Dono you still cannot solve a trivial
exercise as obtaining the relativistic Hamiltonian from the given
Lagrangian!

First attempt:

H = L = – mc^2 * [1 – v^2/ c^2 ]

FAILED

Second attempt:

H = – mc^2 [1 – v^2 / c^2 ]^1/2

FAILED

Third attempt:

H = – mc^2 [1 – p^2 / (mc)^2 ]^1/2

FAILED

Fourth attempt:

H = gamma*m0*v^2 + m0c^2/gamma + e*phi – eAv

FAILED

How many more months you need Dono to understand you are a pretender?

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/12/catching-big-troll.html

Dono

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Dec 12, 2008, 4:11:35 PM12/12/08
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On Dec 12, 11:05 am, "JuanShito R."
<juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com> wrote:
>


Squirm, weasel:

Juanshito, old fart

L=-m0c^2/gamma-e*phi+eAv

where:

B=curl A
E=-@A/@t-grad(phi)

p=gamma*m0*v

H=pv-L=pv+m0c^2/gamma+e*phi-eAv=gamma*m0*v^2+m0c^2/gamma+e*phi-eAv

Now, answer the question I asked you 6 months ago: derive L. Let's see
you do it, old nutter.

Juan R.

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Dec 13, 2008, 8:40:55 AM12/13/08
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And by *fifth* time, Dono, have showed to USENET audience that you
have no idea of elementary relativity or mechanics.

Yes, you have been exposed to be the biggest fraud on spr :-)

The blog article has been updated to contain your new nonsense :-)

http://canonicalscience.blogspot.com/2008/12/catching-big-troll.html

Many thanks troll!

Dono

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Dec 13, 2008, 10:24:00 AM12/13/08
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On Dec 13, 5:40 am, "JuanShito R."

<juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com> wrote:
> On 12 dic, 22:11, Dono <sa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 11:05 am, "JuanShito R."
>
> > <juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com> wrote:
>
> > Squirm, weasel:
>
> > Juanshito, old fart
>
> > L=-m0c^2/gamma-e*phi+eAv
>
> > where:
>
> > B=curl A
> > E=-@A/@t-grad(phi)
>
> > p=gamma*m0*v
>
> > H=pv-L=pv+m0c^2/gamma+e*phi-eAv=gamma*m0*v^2+m0c^2/gamma+e*phi-eAv
>
> > Now, answer the question I asked you 6 months ago: derive L. Let's see
> > you do it, old nutter.
>

Exposing you as a crackpot , Juanshito, old fart:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/f5bee64f3b044249

Juan R.

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Dec 13, 2008, 11:30:17 AM12/13/08
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> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/f5bee64f3b0...

Thanks by that link but is already included in the blog article as
example of your ignorance :-)

Dono I can see you voted against me 49 times above. Some doubt that
your false votes will vanish tomorrow?

Dono

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Dec 13, 2008, 11:39:05 AM12/13/08
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On Dec 13, 8:30 am, "Juan R." <juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com>
wrote:

Juan R.

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Dec 13, 2008, 11:45:03 AM12/13/08
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Thanks again by that link Dono but I already included in the blog


article as example of your ignorance :-)

Dono I can see you voted against me 55 times now. Some doubt that

Juan R.

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Dec 13, 2008, 11:47:07 AM12/13/08
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On 13 dic, 17:45, "Juan R." <juanrgonzal...@canonicalscience.com>

Now are 70 votes :-)

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