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Henri Wilson  
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 More options Sep 21 2006, 6:52 pm
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
From: HW@..(Henri Wilson)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:52:00 GMT
Subject: Re: New theory: Space is not curved. It is logarithmic.
On 21 Sep 2006 04:55:06 -0700, "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Henri Wilson wrote:
>> On 20 Sep 2006 18:27:47 -0700, "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>So in other words, you don't know the answer.

>> >Why are you using the "Maxwell's equations need a medium" copout
>> >anyway? You have specifically stated MULTIPLE times that you not only
>> >think Maxwell's equations are correct. Do you now believe Maxwell's
>> >equations are incorrect?

>> Geesey,  ahev never said Maxwell's equations are incorrect. Of course they are
>> correct...for EM waves in a dielectric medium.

>So in other words, you DON'T accept Maxwell's equations. You can't pick
>and choose when they apply. They either apply everywhere or they don't.
>Maxwell's equations have plenty of nontrivial solutions that apply in
>VACUUM, no matter how hard you cry about the mythical Maxwellian
>medium.

>> force you to create Wilson's equations? Or have you refrained from doing that
>> because you have no idea what you would write down?

>> Geesey, If I measure the two constants and apply Maxwell, I will get the answer
>> c. That will be the speed of light produced by me, relative to myself and the
>> apparatus I used for the measurements.

>You have no idea how to "apply Maxwell".

>> >> >Since - according to you - Maxwell's equations use a medium, the
>> >> >permittivity and permissivity constants are nonzero, which invalidates
>> >> >your entire argument.

>> >> Their values are zero in a perfect vacuum...That means devoid of fields, too.

>> >WRONG.

>> Prove it Geesey...

>F = q_1q_2  * r^ * 1/r^2.

>There is no constraint on what is between the two charges.

>Take div.E = rho/epsilon_0. There is still no constraint.

>You have no functional understanding of Maxwell's equations or what
>they imply.

Geesey, Maxwell's equations produce a value for the universal constant
c...which also happens to be the speed of EM wrt its source (for reasons as yet
unknown)

Maxwell's equations say absolutely nothing about the speed of EM from a
relatively moving source.
Variable star curves do, though...and prove that light travels at c+v.

>> >Take an introductory physics course, Henri. Specifically, study the
>> >section about the electrostatic force. There does not need to be
>> >anything between two point charges for a field to exist and exert
>> >force.

>> You are really funny Geesey. Firstly you say there doesn't have to be
>> 'anything' then you say 'a field' exists between them.
>> Geesey, a 'field' is SOMETHING..

>Vacuum is devoid of matter, not fields.

If it has fields it is not 'vacuum', geesey.

What is a field, Geesey?

>Stop re-inventing terminology to suit the moment.

Geesey, one day you will realise how physics has been stopped in its tracks by
the Einsteinian red herring.

>> >Why do you keep using such sad copouts? Since you believe yourself to
>> >be such an awesome physicist, why is it you are suddenly incapable of
>> >dealing with the concept of "vacuum"? You were *so* sure of yourself
>> >when you were talking about photons slowing down and speeding up in
>> >space.

>> Why shouldn't they? Space is not completely homogeneous. How could it be?

>...because it is? Space is the same no matter which direction you look
>in. Matter is also distributed almost completely isotropically.

>Oh, you wouldn't know this because your knowledge of cosmology is stuck
>in the 1850s.

Thankyou. I take that to imply I am not completely barinwashed by the
establishment, like you are.

>> >Is it because I am forcing you to take the debate to a level you have
>> >not thought out at all? Are you incapable of supporting your assertions
>> >on a mathematically rigorious level?

>> Geesey, one day you will realise how naive you are.

>> I would give you a plus for enthusiam though. You never give up.

>So is that a "yes" to my questions?

Its time you tried yo answer a few of your simple questions yourself. I'm not
going to do your assignments for you.

>> >> >You say you understand Maxwell's equations.....right?

>> >> They are fucking easy to understand.

>> >Then why do you have such difficulty understanding basic concepts or
>> >trivial conclusions?

>> Geesey, speeds are not absolute, they are relative.

>Yet...c is absolute in Maxwell's equations.

Fucking moron. Maxwell believed in an absolute aether.

>This is trivial to show via
>the wave equations in E and B. Go ahead Henri, show me how Maxwell's
>equations permit a wave speed that goes as c+v. Oh wait, you can't! You
>don't understand anything about Maxwell's equations.

Maxwell showed that in a dielectric medium, EM moves at c wrt that medium. The
medium defines a rest frame.

>> >That is *not* a proof.

>> >I am asking for a MATHEMATICAL proof that a wave can have a velocity of
>> >c+v.

>> There you do again....showing your complete ignorance of physics.

>> Relative to what is this velocity you are talking about geesey?

>GALILEAN TRANSFORMATIONS DO NOT PRESERVE MAXWELL'S EQUATIONS YOU
>FUCKWIT. You have absolutely NO concept of the development of
>electromagnetic theory after Maxwell.

There are NO transformations.
Time interval and LENGTH are absolute.

>Open and read any E&M book published after 1930. Griffith's
>introduction to electrodynamics is a crowd favorite.

>> >Since you supposedly have a degree in applied mathematics and
>> >completely understand Maxwell's equations, this is an easy task.

>> I have Geesey, It's up on my wall in front of me. I am looking at it now. Are
>> you envious?

>Of you? Why would I be?

>You show no sign of having any mathematical education beyond skimming
>some textbooks. You cannot apply what you have learned, thus what your
>degree is WORTHLESS.

It's worth a lot more than the one you'll never get, Geesey.

>> >I have asked this simple task of you at least a half dozen times over
>> >the last year. Each and every time you either insult me and run away,
>> >or change the subject and run away. Why might that be, Henri?

>> I really don't know why I waste time answering this garbage Geesey.

>...because you are a moron with no self control

I have better things to do that waste time trying to eductae a hopeless case
like you , geesey.

>> >Go ahead, dismiss what I am saying by insulting me. It just makes it
>> >easier to believe you have no degree in anything, much less one in
>> >applied mathematics.

>> What are those two certificates in frames then?

>I have to see them to answer that question.

>I want to know where you obtained your degree from so I can figure out
>whether you are the expected output of that university or not.

Fucking little shit!
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/degGrese.jpg

HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm

You can burn all yer books!
Space is logarithmic.


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