A TRAP set for the NOVICE in ELECTRODYNAMICS
gu...@hotmail.com
At the following post:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/976d911ff685872a
Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
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EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE
You truly are a novice Eric, no wonder you only insult and complain.
Eric Gisse
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> Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
>
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>
> EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE
>
> You truly are a novice Eric, no wonder you only insult and complain.
Shut the fuck up.
Seriously, shut the fuck up.
You post nothing but nonsense day in and day out. You expect people
who have spent several years learning physics to correct your idiotic
nonsense, and when they do [god knows there is always more], you bitch
because YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RESPONSE.
I started in the physics program back in late 2003, and I'll have a
degree in physics in the spring. In the 5 years since you started
posting you have shown ZERO ability to learn what you have been
taught. You were arguing about physics back in 2003, and it is now
2007 and you still don't even know what a fucking cross product is.
Now, shut the fuck up. Ignorant wanker.
Sue...
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> At the following post:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/976d911ff68...> *******************************************************************************
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> EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE
>
> You truly are a novice Eric, no wonder you only insult and complain.
Tom Roberts
> Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
>
No, it means electromotive force. This is the electric potential, and it
does ot generate a magnetic force by itself. EMF is measured in Volts,
and is commonly supplied by batteries or a.c. mains.
A source of EMF can be applied to a conductor, and the resulting current
will produce a magnetic field, but this is generated by the current, not
the EMF itself.
The meanings of words DO matter, especially in a communication medium
like this. It is important to get them right. But the underlying
concepts are more important still.
Tom Roberts
walter
which is wrong as usual
EMF means whatever the author say it means
walter
> gu...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
>
> > EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE
>
> No, it means electromotive force. This is the electric potential, and it
> does ot generate a magnetic force by itself. EMF is measured in Volts,
> and is commonly supplied by batteries or a.c. mains.
this is very obtuse and oldschoolish,
usually abbreviations means what the author say it means
zzbu...@netscape.net
That's only in the idiot math department.
When you actually do experiments, it means
computers, rather than morons.
walter
wrote:
this is also wrong,
according to my abbreviations at tha start of
my papers, EMF means you are a kooksucker
gu...@hotmail.com
> gu...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
>
> > EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE
>
> No, it means electromotive force. This is the electric potential, and it
> does ot generate a magnetic force by itself. EMF is measured in Volts,
> and is commonly supplied by batteries or a.c. mains.
>
Thank you. I was writting exams about it before Gisse was born and
correcting the teachers.
gu...@hotmail.com
The subject of the post says TRAP for the NOVICE....if you were to
read my posts prior to that one with Eric I even write electromotive
mechanics.
gu...@hotmail.com
> On Jul 14, 2:00 pm, "gu...@hotmail.com" <gu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At the following post:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/976d911ff68...
>
> > Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
>
>
> > EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE
>
> > You truly are a novice Eric, no wonder you only insult and complain.
>
>
You really are a NOVICE Eric, go read what Tom Roberts in this post
wrote about Magnetic Force and then tell the entire classroom why your
words below deserve and "F" for failure. You are NOVICE in
Electrodynamics.
> > Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote: QUOTE: "Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad."
zzbu...@netscape.net
It doesn't paper, since paper like relativity
is for history morons like Maxwell.
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OG
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> On Jul 14, 8:29 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> gu...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
>>
>> > EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE
>>
>> No, it means electromotive force. This is the electric potential, and it
>> does ot generate a magnetic force by itself. EMF is measured in Volts,
>> and is commonly supplied by batteries or a.c. mains.
>>
>
> Thank you. I was writting exams about it before Gisse was born and
> correcting the teachers.
So why did you get it wrong then?
gu...@hotmail.com
As the title specifies it is a TRAP and as they say for "Politicly
Correct", in this case it is "Scientificly Correct".
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2
QUTOE:
"Electromotive Force (EMF)
When a voltage is generated by a battery, or by the magnetic force
according to Faraday's Law, this generated voltage has been
traditionally called an "electromotive force" or emf. "
Those with the experience that I have, know that EMF is a terminology
seldomly used in terms of battery but 99.99% of the time for Magnetic
Force. For the Electric Force(battery) they use the word voltage and
for the Magnetic Force they use the word EMF a zillion times more
often as in the zillions of exams I did.
They even lazily substitue EMF with ElectroMotor (instead of motive)
Force.
OG
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> On Jul 16, 6:04 pm, "OG" <o...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
>> <gu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> news:1184507085.8...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Jul 14, 8:29 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> gu...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
>>
>> >> > EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE
>>
>> >> No, it means electromotive force. This is the electric potential, and
>> >> it
>> >> does ot generate a magnetic force by itself. EMF is measured in Volts,
>> >> and is commonly supplied by batteries or a.c. mains.
>>
>> > Thank you. I was writting exams about it before Gisse was born and
>> > correcting the teachers.
>>
>> So why did you get it wrong then?
>
> As the title specifies it is a TRAP
So now we're supposed to distinguish between your intentional errors and
your native errors!
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2
> QUTOE:
> "Electromotive Force (EMF)
> When a voltage is generated by a battery, or by the magnetic force
> according to Faraday's Law, this generated voltage has been
> traditionally called an "electromotive force" or emf. "
>
>
>
> Those with the experience that I have,
Yes, but we are hoping that people with _your_ experience seek to learn
more.
> know that EMF is a terminology
> seldomly used in terms of battery but 99.99% of the time for Magnetic
> Force. For the Electric Force(battery) they use the word voltage and
> for the Magnetic Force they use the word EMF a zillion times more
> often as in the zillions of exams I did.
Hang on, you're the guy that did best in physics class aren't you?
Needlework college.
gu...@hotmail.com
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Speaking of needlework, you said nothing to the guy that wrote
magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF.
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> > On Jul 16, 6:04 pm, "OG" <o...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
> >> <gu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>news:1184507085.8...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
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> >> > On Jul 14, 8:29 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >> gu...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
>
> >> >> > EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE
>
> >> >> No, it means electromotive force. This is the electric potential, and
> >> >> it
> >> >> does ot generate a magnetic force by itself. EMF is measured in Volts,
> >> >> and is commonly supplied by batteries or a.c. mains.
>
> >> > Thank you. I was writting exams about it before Gisse was born and
> >> > correcting the teachers.
>
> >> So why did you get it wrong then?
>
> > As the title specifies it is a TRAP
>
> So now we're supposed to distinguish between your intentional errors and
> your native errors!
>
to do with Magnetic Force.
>
>
> >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2
> > QUTOE:
> > "Electromotive Force (EMF)
> > When a voltage is generated by a battery, or by the magnetic force
> > according to Faraday's Law, this generated voltage has been
> > traditionally called an "electromotive force" or emf. "
>
> > Those with the experience that I have,
>
> Yes, but we are hoping that people with _your_ experience seek to learn
> more.
>
> > know that EMF is a terminology
> > seldomly used in terms of battery but 99.99% of the time for Magnetic
> > Force. For the Electric Force(battery) they use the word voltage and
> > for the Magnetic Force they use the word EMF a zillion times more
> > often as in the zillions of exams I did.
>
> Hang on, you're the guy that did best in physics class aren't you?
T.M. Sommers
>
> As the title specifies it is a TRAP and as they say for "Politicly
> Correct", in this case it is "Scientificly Correct".
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2
> QUTOE:
> "Electromotive Force (EMF)
> When a voltage is generated by a battery, or by the magnetic force
> according to Faraday's Law, this generated voltage has been
> traditionally called an "electromotive force" or emf. "
>
> Those with the experience that I have, know that EMF is a terminology
> seldomly used in terms of battery but 99.99% of the time for Magnetic
> Force.
However, those with experience in physics or electronics know
that EMF is never used for the magnetic force.
In addition to the quotation you supplied:
Horowitz and Hill, _The Art of Electronics_, p. 2: "Voltage is
also called potential difference or electromotive force (EMF)."
Reitz, Milford, and Christy, _Foundations of Electromagnetic
Theory_, p. 147: "The applied voltage is usually called an
electromagnetic force (emf) ... ." They, however, use the term
differently: on p. 234 they define it as the line integral around
the circuit of E dot dl.
Now you provide some quotation that support your view.
--
Thomas M. Sommers -- t...@nj.net -- AB2SB
gu...@hotmail.com
> <gu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On Jul 16, 6:04 pm, "OG" <o...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
> >> <gu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>news:1184507085.8...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
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> >> > On Jul 14, 8:29 pm, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >> gu...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
>
> >> >> > EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE
>
> >> >> No, it means electromotive force. This is the electric potential, and
> >> >> it
> >> >> does ot generate a magnetic force by itself. EMF is measured in Volts,
> >> >> and is commonly supplied by batteries or a.c. mains.
>
> >> > Thank you. I was writting exams about it before Gisse was born and
> >> > correcting the teachers.
>
> >> So why did you get it wrong then?
>
> > As the title specifies it is a TRAP
>
> So now we're supposed to distinguish between your intentional errors and
> your native errors!
>
stop asking questions.
Why don't you pick on the guy who said EMF has nothing to do with
Magnetic Force.
If that guy was me, you would be picking on me.
>
>
> >http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2
> > QUTOE:
> > "Electromotive Force (EMF)
> > When a voltage is generated by a battery, or by the magnetic force
> > according to Faraday's Law, this generated voltage has been
> > traditionally called an "electromotive force" or emf. "
>
> > Those with the experience that I have,
>
> Yes, but we are hoping that people with _your_ experience seek to learn
> more.
>
> > know that EMF is a terminology
> > seldomly used in terms of battery but 99.99% of the time for Magnetic
> > Force. For the Electric Force(battery) they use the word voltage and
> > for the Magnetic Force they use the word EMF a zillion times more
> > often as in the zillions of exams I did.
>
> Hang on, you're the guy that did best in physics class aren't you?
gu...@hotmail.com
Electromotive simply means ElectroMOTIOM Force. There are only two
that are related to Electro meaning related to the charge wich are the
ELECTO.MAGNETIC FIELD = ELECTRO....MAGNETIC FORCE.
Fields are FORCES (multiple force lines (field lines)).
Thus there is two types of EMF: the electric and magnetic force.
For electric they 99.9% of the time call it voltage
thus when they speak of EMF it is mostly related to the magnetic
force.
BOTH ELECTRIC AND MAGNETIC FORCE BELOW HERE:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2
QUOTE:
T.M. Sommers
> that are related to Electro meaning related to the charge wich are the
> ELECTO.MAGNETIC FIELD = ELECTRO....MAGNETIC FORCE.
'Electromotive force' means voltage. Period.
> Fields are FORCES (multiple force lines (field lines)).
Fields are fields. Forces are forces.
> Thus there is two types of EMF: the electric and magnetic force.
>
> For electric they 99.9% of the time call it voltage
> thus when they speak of EMF it is mostly related to the magnetic
> force.
>
> BOTH ELECTRIC AND MAGNETIC FORCE BELOW HERE:
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2
>
> QUOTE:
> "Electromotive Force (EMF)
> When a voltage is generated by a battery, or by the magnetic force
> according to Faraday's Law, this generated voltage has been
> traditionally called an "electromotive force" or emf."
This does *NOT* say that EMF is the same as magnetic force. It
says that EMF can be created by magnetic force. That is not the
same thing at all.
You have not provided a single citation to anyone using the term
'EMF' to mean magnetic force.
Eric Gisse
[...]
>
> You have not provided a single citation to anyone using the term
> 'EMF' to mean magnetic force.
That's his style. Armed with a smattering of knowledge gleaned from a
high school physics textbook, he argues with folks who have studied
physics for years. I practically have my Bachelors, and several others
have doctorates - he doesn't care, he has "Elements of Physics" behind
him!
Even when presented with explicit calculations and/or literature
citations that disagree with him, he will not give up. He has now
progressed to the stage where he floods both sci.physics and
sci.physics.relativity with threads whose titles reference me
directly.
I see 7 of them so far.
This isn't the first time, either. I say that temperature is not a
tensor [due to it being different in different reference frames], and
he cries for months about it. Still doesn't agree with me, even though
his education in physics is limited to that little intro text. That
"argument" [is it really an argument when the other side is completely
clueless?] spawned another half dozen threads whining about me.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
gu...@hotmail.com
I did call the title a TRAP for that reason.
If I call Current means charges, in the literal sense is also
incorrect.
There are only two type of EMF, the electric and the magnetic force.
I see no one point out to lame brain Eric that they are related, his
words were not that EMF does not mean magnetic force, his words were
EMF has nothing to do with Magnetic Force = Novice plain and simple no
matter how he wishes to hide.
More evident, he ALWAYS complains and that was one of the rare times I
got him to explain his complain, which demonstrates his lack of
reading capacity.
> You have not provided a single citation to anyone using the term
> 'EMF' to mean magnetic force.
>
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> Thomas M. Sommers -- t...@nj.net -- AB2SB- Hide quoted text -
gu...@hotmail.com
> On Jul 17, 12:43 am, "T.M. Sommers" <t...@nj.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>
>
> > You have not provided a single citation to anyone using the term
> > 'EMF' to mean magnetic force.
>
> That's his style.
Looking at Lying Eric Gisse trying to pretend he said EMF does not
mean magnetic force where as he said EMF has NOTHING to do with it.
>Armed with a smattering of knowledge gleaned from a
> high school physics textbook, he argues with folks who have studied
> physics for years. I practically have my Bachelors, and several others
> have doctorates
who has doctorate?
>- he doesn't care, he has "Elements of Physics" behind
> him!
>
> Even when presented with explicit calculations and/or literature
> citations that disagree with him, he will not give up. He has now
> progressed to the stage where he floods both sci.physics and
> sci.physics.relativity with threads whose titles reference me
> directly.
>
> I see 7 of them so far.
>
> This isn't the first time, either. I say that temperature is not a
> tensor [due to it being different in different reference frames]
So is mass and it is a tensor and a Lorentz scalar.
I repeated to him that a Lorentz scalar is something that remains
invariant. Just because MASS is BOTH variant and invariant does not
mean it's not a Lorentz scalar. Likewise for Temperature.
He's afraid of me correcting him.
>, and
> he cries for months about it. Still doesn't agree with me, even though
> his education in physics is limited to that little intro text. That
> "argument" [is it really an argument when the other side is completely
> clueless?] spawned another half dozen threads whining about me.
>
> Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
And a bachelor in what do you have?
>
>
>
>
> > --
T.M. Sommers
> On Jul 17, 4:43 am, "T.M. Sommers" <t...@nj.net> wrote:
>>gu...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>QUOTE:
>>>"Electromotive Force (EMF)
>>>When a voltage is generated by a battery, or by the magnetic force
>>>according to Faraday's Law, this generated voltage has been
>>>traditionally called an "electromotive force" or emf."
>>
>>This does *NOT* say that EMF is the same as magnetic force. It
>>says that EMF can be created by magnetic force. That is not the
>>same thing at all.
>
As you have been repeatedly told, this is wrong. EMF is not a
force of any kind, despite the name.
>>You have not provided a single citation to anyone using the term
>>'EMF' to mean magnetic force.
I repeat the above.
gu...@hotmail.com
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> [...]
>
>
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> > You have not provided a single citation to anyone using the term
> > 'EMF' to mean magnetic force.
>
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/976d911ff685872a
[snip stupidity]
> ReQuote:"It is ****ERRONEOUS**** to think that the magnetic force does
> work on the charges to produce an EMF.
That's because it doesn't.
> Also means:"It is ****ERRONEOUS**** to think that the magnetic force
> has a ***NET EFFECT*** on the charges to produce an EMF.
Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
Crack open an actual electrodynamics text. One that makes you use
vector calculus.
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> That's his style. Armed with a smattering of knowledge gleaned from a
> high school physics textbook, he argues with folks who have studied
> physics for years. I practically have my Bachelors, and several others
> have doctorates - he doesn't care, he has "Elements of Physics" behind
> him!
>
> Even when presented with explicit calculations and/or literature
> citations that disagree with him, he will not give up. He has now
> progressed to the stage where he floods both sci.physics and
> sci.physics.relativity with threads whose titles reference me
> directly.
>
> I see 7 of them so far.
>
> This isn't the first time, either. I say that temperature is not a
> tensor [due to it being different in different reference frames], and
> he cries for months about it. Still doesn't agree with me, even though
> his education in physics is limited to that little intro text. That
> "argument" [is it really an argument when the other side is completely
> clueless?] spawned another half dozen threads whining about me.
>
> Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
>
>
>
>
> > --