Where atomic shells orginate
Mitch Raemsch
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> They surround a proton and its multiples.
No. That's where they are. You have to tell us where they originated.
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> Mitch Raemsch wrote:
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> > They surround a proton and its multiples.
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> No. That's where they are. You have to tell us where they originated.
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They are part of a proton.
Can you explain any further yourself paul?
Mitch Raemsch
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_exclusion_principle
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BURT
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> > On Aug 17, 6:49 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> > > Mitch Raemsch wrote:
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> > > > They surround a proton and its multiples.
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> > > No. That's where they are. You have to tell us where they originated.
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> > They are part of a proton.
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> > Can you explain any further yourself paul?
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_exclusion_principle
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Where is your explanation of shell origination?
Mitch Raemsch
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Stop throwing wakypedia out and you give an answer yourself paul.
Mitch Raemsch
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
An electron "shell" around an atom is a crude model used to illustrate
the electron configuration dictated by the quantum wave functions of the
electrons associated with an atom.
In reality, electrons' position around an atom are dictated by this wave
function, which does not confine them to concentric "shells" around the
atom's nucleus at fixed distances.
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How wide is a shell? a subshell?
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
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> How wide is a shell? a subshell?
What do you mean by width? The spatial geometry of the wave function is
more complex than a simple shell. The shell model is really only a
simple model used to explain basic concepts to people with limited
understanding of the physics involved.
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BURT
> BURT wrote:
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> > How wide is a shell? a subshell?
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> What do you mean by width? The spatial geometry of the wave function is
> more complex than a simple shell. The shell model is really only a
> simple model used to explain basic concepts to people with limited
> understanding of the physics involved.
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Sub shells indicate that shells have a width or depth.
Mitch Raemsch
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
No.
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BURT
> BURT wrote:
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> > On Aug 19, 8:30 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> > > BURT wrote:
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> > > [snip]
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> > > > How wide is a shell? a subshell?
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> > > What do you mean by width? The spatial geometry of the wave function is
> > > more complex than a simple shell. The shell model is really only a
> > > simple model used to explain basic concepts to people with limited
> > > understanding of the physics involved.
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> > > -- Fletcher Knebel
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> > Sub shells indicate that shells have a width or depth.
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> No.
Sure they do. If there is more than one level to a shell then there is
depth.
Mitch Raemsch
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> On Aug 20, 6:47 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
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> > BURT wrote:
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> > > On Aug 19, 8:30 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> > > > BURT wrote:
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> > > > [snip]
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> > > > > How wide is a shell? a subshell?
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> > > > What do you mean by width? The spatial geometry of the wave function is
> > > > more complex than a simple shell. The shell model is really only a
> > > > simple model used to explain basic concepts to people with limited
> > > > understanding of the physics involved.
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> > > > -- Fletcher Knebel
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> > > Sub shells indicate that shells have a width or depth.
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> > No.
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> Sure they do. If there is more than one level to a shell then there is
> depth.
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> Mitch Raemsch
Mitch, Burt, .....whatever your name is today......SHUT UP.
A better question would be "What is the origin of your bullshit ?"
Suppose that the probability of finding a penny at a particular spot
on the floor is given by y = 1 / e^x or some such thing......you ask
"what is the origin of the shell".....it is a ill posed question.
Personal opinion:
While simpletons try to contemplate whether the electron is a particle
or a wave, there is a possibility that the electron is nothing but
bent space which is best described by SWE. But people have a hard time
believing that an electron is actually a PDF and I agree - a physical
object and a mathematical function are two completely different
beasts. So you have to try to comprehend what does it mean if an
electron is _defineable_ by SWE which is a PDF, and at the same time
the electron must be little more than bent space just the same as
gravity is nothing more than bent space. Nature is not fractured the
same way that physics is (at the moment). The electron must be a
distortion or curvature of spacetime.
A PDF can be interpreted as a tool which allows you to consider
randomness as a fluid which is embedded in length and time. Imagine
that randomness is a fluid. Imagine that it can behave like a liquid.
Then, SWE becomes an equation of fluid dynamics because it is a PDF.
That is all personal opinion and it's also technically crackpot
because it's not peer reviewed opinion - but I am right.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
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> Sure they do. If there is more than one level to a shell then there is
> depth.
Going back to the original question: Where atomic shells originate
They originated as an explanation of electron quantum states aimed at
those illiterate in the principles of physics and quantum mechanics.