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socratus

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Nov 25, 2009, 1:58:56 AM11/25/09
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Science or Religion ?
Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
That is the truth.
So, what is Religion?
Religion is the poor man's philosophy.

Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
That is the truth.
For example: One Galaxy can eat another Galaxy.
#
Cosmic cannibalising:
Images show one galaxy engulfing another
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cosmic-cannibalising-images-show-one-galaxy-engulfing-another-1780652.html
#
The Discovery of one Galaxy "Attacking" Another
http://www.astronomyexpert.co.uk/the-recent-discovery-of-one-galaxy-attacking-another.html
. . .. etc
So, what is Physics?
Physics is the poor man's philosophy.
== .
What to do?
I think we must answer to the simple classic question:
what did come first the chicken or the egg ?
If somebody didn’t understand this question, I will ask it simpler:
What was before Vacuum or Gravity ?
Does Gravity exist in Vacuum or vice versa?
Why I ask these questions.
Because the Universe ( as a whole ) is Two- Measured,
there are two Worlds: Vacuum and Gravity.
=== .
Israel Socratus.

Dirk Van de moortel

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Nov 25, 2009, 2:55:47 AM11/25/09
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socratus wrote:
> Science or Religion ?
> Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
> That is the truth.
> So, what is Religion?
> Religion is the poor man's philosophy.
>
> Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
> That is the truth.
> For example: One Galaxy can eat another Galaxy.
> #
> Cosmic cannibalising:
> Images show one galaxy engulfing another
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cosmic-cannibalising-images-show-one-galaxy-engulfing-another-1780652.html
> #
> The Discovery of one Galaxy "Attacking" Another
> http://www.astronomyexpert.co.uk/the-recent-discovery-of-one-galaxy-attacking-another.html
> . . .. etc
> So, what is Physics?
> Physics is the poor man's philosophy.

You've got it somewhat upside down.
Religion is the uneducated man's physics.
Philosophy is the untrained man's physics.

> == .
> What to do?

get some basic education...

> I think we must answer to the simple classic question:
> what did come first the chicken or the egg ?
> If somebody didn�t understand this question, I will ask it simpler:
> What was before Vacuum or Gravity ?
> Does Gravity exist in Vacuum or vice versa?
> Why I ask these questions.
> Because the Universe ( as a whole ) is Two- Measured,
> there are two Worlds: Vacuum and Gravity.

... and then some training.

Dirk Vdm


George Hammond

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Nov 25, 2009, 8:03:45 AM11/25/09
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:58:56 -0800 (PST), socratus
<isr...@yahoo.com> wrote:


>Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
>

>Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!

>== .
>What to do?

>Israel Socratus.
>
>
[Hammond]
Anyone calling himself Israel ought to know better.
The average person including physicists do not need to
know what God is. The fact that they make ignorant
statements about God is just as acceptable as the average
man making ignorant statements about quantum field theory.
For instance a physicist told me yesterday that there
can't possibly be a God because animals are designed to eat
each other. What kind of a God would design a world in
which lions are supposed to devour Zebras alive?
Well this is simply ignorance and stupidity on the part
of the physicist who has no idea what God is. The fact is
the phenomenon of God is caused by the Secular Trend Human
Growth Deficit and if there were no such thing we would be
God living in a perfect world. Furthermore, with a zero
growth deficit neither humans nor animals would be capable
of experiencing fear, terror or even pain. So therefore
getting devoured by a lion actually presents no problem
whatsoever.
But the problem is there is a secular trend growth
deficit which causes our brains to be incompletely grown
which causes the phenomenon of God. It also causes us to
experience the fear, terror, and excruciating physical pain.
Now because the average person including the average
physicist does not know or understand this he walks around
saying to himself like Richard Dawkins that "there can't
possibly be a God". But that's sheer ignorant stupidity
just as If the average man walks around saying "there can't
possibly be such a thing as a Black Hole".
To sum it all up, we are all specialists in this world and
unless you are a specialist in religion and theology you
simply do not know what God is, and you will have to consult
someone like me if you want to find out!
PS: I am also a physicist!
========================================
GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
Primary site
http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond
Mirror site
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto
http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
=======================================

George Hammond

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On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:55:47 +0100, "Dirk Van de moortel"
<dirkvand...@nospAm.hotmail.com> wrote:

>socratus wrote:
>> Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!

>> Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
>

>You've got it somewhat upside down.
>Religion is the uneducated man's physics.
>

>Dirk Vdm
>
[Hammond]
Na, YOU got it backwards Van de Mortal:

Physics is the poor man's religion!
Religion is the rich man's physics!

The average person including physicists do not need to
know what God is. The fact that they make ignorant
statements about God is just as acceptable as the average
man making ignorant statements about quantum field theory.
For instance a physicist told me yesterday that there
can't possibly be a God because animals are designed to eat
each other. What kind of a God would design a world in
which lions are supposed to devour Zebras alive?
Well this is simply ignorance and stupidity on the part
of the physicist who has no idea what God is. The fact is
the phenomenon of God is caused by the Secular Trend Human
Growth Deficit and if there were no such thing we would be
God living in a perfect world. Furthermore, with a zero
growth deficit neither humans nor animals would be capable
of experiencing fear, terror or even pain. So therefore
getting devoured by a lion actually presents no problem
whatsoever.
But the problem is there is a secular trend growth
deficit which causes our brains to be incompletely grown
which causes the phenomenon of God. It also causes us to

experience fear, terror, and excruciating physical pain.


Now because the average person including the average
physicist does not know or understand this he walks around
saying to himself like Richard Dawkins that "there can't
possibly be a God". But that's sheer ignorant stupidity
just as If the average man walks around saying "there can't
possibly be such a thing as a Black Hole".
To sum it all up, we are all specialists in this world and
unless you are a specialist in religion and theology you
simply do not know what God is, and you will have to consult
someone like me if you want to find out!
PS: I am also a physicist!

But not to worry. Hammond has discovered and published
the world's first scientific proof of God which is in fact a
simple scientific explanation of what God is. Therefore,
even physicists can now sit down and read a simple
scientific explanation of what God is in 15 minutes and be
privileged to what hitherto has been an esoteric and erudite
body of knowledge only privy to the most powerful and
privileged members of our society. Enjoy!

Inertial

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> Science or Religion ?
> Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!

Yeup

> That is the truth.
> So, what is Religion?
> Religion is the poor man's philosophy.
>
> Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!

Nope

> That is the truth.

Nope

George Hammond

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On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:16:26 +1100, "Inertial"
<relat...@rest.com> wrote:
>>
>> Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
>Yeup
>> Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
>Nope
>
[Hammond]

Yeup....:

Physics is the poor man's Religion
Religion is the rich man's Physics

Aleph

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In article <saeqg5pj2dneq0pm4...@4ax.com>, sent to
sci.physics on Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:19:12 -0800, George Hammond <Nowhere1
@notspam.com> imparted these words of wisdom:

> [Hammond]
> Na, YOU got it backwards Van de Mortal:
>
> Physics is the poor man's religion!
> Religion is the rich man's physics!
>


Wow. I thought you were dead. Obviously just wishful thinking.

Seriously, how does someone with such serious mental illness as yourself
survive for so many years?

--
Aleph

This article was posted to USENET, please reply in that manner. Emails
to this account will be ignored.

John Polasek

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On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:16:26 +1100, "Inertial" <relat...@rest.com>
wrote:

>"socratus" <isr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Yup and double yup.
And it's getting worse in modern physics.
Even more than in religion, in modern science it is increasingly
becoming necessary to just believe believe.
It's clear that you have not adopted a questioning attitude nor taken
the time to ponder a bit so as to discern what is quite apparent: that
the following partial list of physics phylacteries are the stuff of
fables and fantasies, artefacts of desperation:

The Big Bang, time that stretches,dark matter, wimps, machos, dark
energy, quintessence, space that expands, neutralinos, Higgs boson,
gluons and tachyons, axions and partons, just from memory.

But crack open a copy of Phys Rev D for a more comprehensive and
imaginative list. Read the titles out loud for your own enlightenment.
You will probably be delighted and surprised just as I was that they
have finally done something about
Gravitino dark matter from Q-ball decays
Hyperon axial charges in two-flavor chiral perturbation theory

These may not be your specialties but there's something there for
everyone.

John Polasek

Daryl McCullough

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Nov 25, 2009, 1:18:26 PM11/25/09
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John Polasek says...

>And it's getting worse in modern physics.
>Even more than in religion, in modern science it is increasingly
>becoming necessary to just believe believe.

That could not be farther from the truth. What is it that makes
people like you say things without caring whether they are true
or not?

But thanks for piping up. I'm trying to get a fairly complete
killfile full of idiots.

--
Daryl McCullough
Ithaca, NY

BURT

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Nov 25, 2009, 1:59:11 PM11/25/09
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On Nov 25, 10:18 am, stevendaryl3...@yahoo.com (Daryl McCullough)
wrote:

Religion is more important than science. Science cannot tell you who
you are. God is doing gravity.

Mitch Raemsch

John Polasek

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On 25 Nov 2009 10:18:26 -0800, stevend...@yahoo.com (Daryl
McCullough) wrote:

>John Polasek says...
>
>>And it's getting worse in modern physics.
>>Even more than in religion, in modern science it is increasingly
>>becoming necessary to just believe believe.
>
>That could not be farther from the truth. What is it that makes
>people like you say things without caring whether they are true
>or not?

Then I guess you do believe, believe in all the concepts I listed for
you. Has there not arisen in your mind even the slightest inkling,
the merest suspicion, that the list might contain a high percentage of
poppycock? I think I can help you out here: it's all poppycock.


>
>But thanks for piping up. I'm trying to get a fairly complete
>killfile full of idiots.

I'll bet that also you think all those brilliant images that appear to
show galaxies crashing together etc. that you see on the Science
Channel are actual photographs. Their graphic designers deserve top
billing but they don't get it, do they? Isn't that pretty deceptive?
John Polasek

George Hammond

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On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:20:42 -0000, Aleph
<Usene...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

>In article <saeqg5pj2dneq0pm4...@4ax.com>, sent to
>sci.physics on Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:19:12 -0800, George Hammond <Nowhere1
>@notspam.com> imparted these words of wisdom:
>
>> [Hammond]
>> Na, YOU got it backwards Van de Mortal:
>>
>> Physics is the poor man's religion!
>> Religion is the rich man's physics!
>>
>
>
>Wow. I thought you were dead. Obviously just wishful thinking.
>
>Seriously, how does someone with such serious mental illness as yourself
>survive for so many years?
>
>

[Hammond]
Seriously, how has a scumbag Lutheran like you survived
all these years walking around sporting a Jewish
name like Aleph .....eh cocksuk?

George Hammond

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On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:59:11 -0800 (PST), BURT
<macro...@yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>Religion is more important than science.
>Science cannot tell you who >you are.
>God is doing gravity.
>
>Mitch Raemsch
>

[Hammond]
Yes, Physics refers to God as the "Anthropic Principle".

Inertial

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> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:59:11 -0800 (PST), BURT
> <macro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Religion is more important than science.

Only to the weak minded

>>Science cannot tell you who >you are.

Religion dictates what others want you to be.

>>God is doing gravity.

God does nothing, because there is no such thing as a 'god'

George Hammond

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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:27:35 +1100, "Inertial"
<relat...@rest.com> wrote:

>
>
<SNIP CRAP>
>
[Hammond]

George Hammond

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Inertial

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"George Hammond" <Nowh...@notspam.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:27:35 +1100, "Inertial"
> <relat...@rest.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
> <SNIP CRAP>

You write lots of crap for snippign

>>
> [Hammond]
> Physics refers to God as the "Anthropic Principle".

Nope

< SNIP CRAP>

YBM

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George Hammond a �crit :

get help, crank.

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socratus

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Some more ‘ true’ Physical fables and fantasies.
=== .
1.
The Big Bang.
Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, all matter
(all elementary particles and all quarks and their
girlfriends- antiparticles and antiquarks, all kinds of
waves: electromagnetic, gravitational, muons…
gluons field ….. etc.) – was assembled in a ‘single point ‘
=== .
I don’t agree with the ‘big bang’ theory because nobody
knows how the ‘ big bang’ can change into ‘single point ‘
if Hawking’s radiation from ‘ black hole’ doesn’t give it
to happen.
2.
Most of elementary particles were got in artificial way,
using accelerators. This way, in my opinion, is mistaken.
=== .
In the Ancient Egypt people believed in many gods with
human body and animal’s head. They thought they really
existed. For me these new discovered elementary artificial
particles are similar to Egyptian’s gods because we cannot
meet them into any atom, in any physical, chemical, biological
processes on our Earth.
In the Ancient Greek the people believed that sphinxes and
centaurs really exist. Maybe now some geneticists can create
a centaur, but it will be Devil’s work. I am sorry to tell that,
but it seems to me, physicists, creating such elementary
artificial particles look like those ‘some geneticists’.
( The mad CERN’s way.
http://www.spacekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/astronomy/13338/The-mad-CERN-s-project
).
=========== .
3.
Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, there was ‘ bin bang’.
And every particle appears with its own spin as derivative from
the Big Bang.
== .
I think the spin of quantum particle doesn’t come from
big bang, but it comes with ‘ virtual particle from Dirac’s sea’.
Why?
We have the real particle – electron. Nobody doubts
it is a real particle. But a strange thing happens when it
interacts with Vacuum. All its physical parameters become
infinite. Why? Is it possible? What is the reason?
#
The conditions of the ocean permitted to create different kinds
of fish. The terrestrial’s conditions permitted to create different
kinds of animals. And the ‘mixed’ conditions of water, earth
and air on Earth permitted to create, for example, birds, which
live and act in these three conditions.
And if we take Universe as a whole, it is Two- Measured:
close by Material ( Gravity) World exists Infinite Vacuum World.
The conditions in these two Worlds are different.
And when electron moves from Material (Gravity) World to the
Infinite Vacuum World its physical parameters changes.
" The law of conservation and transformation energy / mass"
is connected with electron’s transformation.

We know the electron is very important particle in our live.
It acts in Maxwell’s electrodynamics.
It acts in the atom.
But how electron acts in cell and in Outer space we don’t know.
We need time to understand this fact.
=== .
P.S.
Tell me what an electron is and I'll then tell you everything.
/ Somebody./
==== .
Another ‘ true’ Physical fables and fantasies:
The time that stretches and space that expands,
dark matter, dark energy, Higgs boson, quarks, gluons
and tachyons, axions and partons, qravitino , . . etc.
========== .
P.S.
"One thing I have learned in a long life:
that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive
and childlike - and yet it is the most precious thing we have."
/ Einstein./
This quote is correct, because, at last, only Physics can
logically explain us the Ultimate Nature of Reality.
==========.

socratus

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Raymond Yohros

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On Nov 25, 10:40 am, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.com>

>
> Physics is the poor man's Religion
> Religion is the rich man's Physics
>

wrong
while religion asks the why?
science tells the how.
philosophy is in between

>
>    For instance a physicist told me yesterday that there
> can't possibly be a God because animals are designed to eat
> each other.  What kind of a God would design a world in
> which lions are supposed to devour Zebras alive?
>    Well this is simply ignorance and stupidity on the part
> of the physicist who has no idea what God is.  The fact is
> the phenomenon of God is caused by the Secular Trend Human
> Growth Deficit and if there were no such thing we would be
> God living in a perfect world.  Furthermore, with a zero
> growth deficit neither humans nor animals would be capable
> of experiencing fear, terror or even pain.  So therefore
> getting devoured by a lion actually presents no problem
> whatsoever.
>

wrong again
the animal kingdom was a gift from the designer to help
us understand more about the nature of species and
good and evil
the only way we can get closer to his way of thinking
is if we try to understand this gift in order to live in harmony.

r.y

BURT

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Science cannot tell you who you are.

Mitch Raemsch

George Hammond

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Nov 26, 2009, 2:43:11 PM11/26/09
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:22:23 -0800 (PST), socratus
<isr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>In the Ancient Egypt people believed in many gods with
> human body and animal�s head. They thought they really
> existed.
>
>

[Hammond]
The ancient Egyptian people believed there were 12 major
demigods with human bodies and animal heads.
3000 years later Walt Disney discovered the same thing
and named them Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Porky pig, Bugs
Bunny, etc.... again human bodies with animal heads.
These 12 "gods" are nothing but human Personality types.
Mickey Spillane said it all when he said "there are only a
dozen different faces".
Today modern science (Hammond 1994) has discovered that
there are exactly 13 eigenvectors in all personality test
correlation matrices. This is modern hard scientific proof
that there are 13 personality types in the human race.
Moreover, Hammond has discovered WHY there are exactly 13
personality types. The brain is cleaved by three orthogonal
planes. Anatomical brain cleavage is CUBIC, and as any
elementary textbook will tell you a CUBE has precisely 13
symmetry axes. These cause the 13 eigenvectors of modern
Factor analysis in psychometry and result in exactly 13
different personality types in the human race. this is
PROVEN experimentally by the fact that the correlation
coefficients reconstruct exactly all 13 symmetry axes of a
CUBE. ACTUAL HARD SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENTAL PROOF!
So the Egyptians, 3000 years ago, were absolutely
correct! the Greeks were also correct ( the 12 Olympic
gods), and so were the Romans who adopted the 12 Greek gods
and gave them Latin names.
Now when you factor the 13 axis cube to the fourth order,
you find only one single last final eigenvector. That turns
out to be caused by the secular trend in human growth, and
is without equivocation easily proven to be the God of the
Bible...The supreme god of monotheism has been proven
experimentally and theoretically to exist.
So, Hammond has discovered, proven and published the
world's first and only rigorous hard scientific proof of
God!

Raymond Yohros

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that is one of the most important aspect of religion.
to be a kind person. to love and not to hate.
but it is not reality.
religious intolerance has been the reason of
so much pain. that is the last thing the designer
wanted for us

r.y


BURT

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> r.y- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

We should find God in His design.

Mitch Raemsch

Raymond Yohros

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his elegance its all over
all 3 forces and gravity acting as 1 at the bb and
d trinity of rgb light and 3d spatial perception

Aleph

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On Thursday 26 November 2009 02:10, in
<7nnrg51j96tcconpr...@4ax.com>, George Hammond sat down and
wrote the following words of wisdom:

> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:20:42 -0000, Aleph
> <Usene...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>
>>Wow. I thought you were dead. Obviously just wishful thinking.
>>
>>Seriously, how does someone with such serious mental illness as yourself
>>survive for so many years?
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> Seriously, how has a scumbag Lutheran like you survived
> all these years walking around sporting a Jewish
> name like Aleph .....eh cocksuk?

Awww you havent lost the art of foreplay have you? You say the nicest
things.

Sadly, your idea of science is completely batshit insane.

--
Aleph

This message was posted to usenet so please reply that way. Emails to
this account are very likely to be ignored.

Stamenin

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On Nov 26, 11:43 am, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:22:23 -0800 (PST), socratus
>
>                       Primary sitehttp://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond

>                       Mirror site
>      http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
>      HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto
>      http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
> =======================================

All peoples believe in God because they possess the fear of death.
That is why we say that we are believers.
In science is valid the word I know, but many scientists don't care
to demonstrate that. The believers can freely continue to believe and
this does't maters. But when the scientists don't proove evidence
about their discoveries it maters because in that case they are liars.

BURT

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> about their discoveries it maters because in that case they are liars.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Gravity is the only force with its own time or aether rate.

Mitch Raemsch

George Hammond

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>[ Stamenin]


>All peoples believe in God because they possess the fear of death.
>That is why we say that we are believers.
> In science is valid the word I know, but many scientists don't care
>to demonstrate that. The believers can freely continue to believe and
>this does't maters. But when the scientists don't proove evidence
>about their discoveries it maters because in that case they are liars.
>
>

[Hammond]
Look, this is a discussion about SCIENCE and religion.
and I'm here to tell you that the world's first scientific
proof of God has been discovered.
I'm also here to tell you that it is imperative that
scientists find out what God is.
For 100 years we have allowed scientists to ignore God.
But today the situation has changed. Today a scientists
cannot afford not to know what God is. The reason is that
the scientific problems we face today can only be solved by
massive global cooperation among peoples of different races,
religions, and ideologies.
I'm talking about problems like:

The energy crisis
Global warming
The global water shortage
Global pandemics
World terrorism
Nuclear proliferation

All of these are SCIENTIFIC problems that can only be solved
by SCIENTISTS, but they can only be solved by international
cooperation.
Global cooperation, mass mobilization and international
unity are required to solve these major problems. And these
problems can only be solved by scientists who understood
that global unity depends upon a knowledge of religion and
psychology, and key to this a federal comprehension of the
scientific explanation of God.
THEREFORE IT IS IMPERITIVE that scientists be the FIRST
to know what God is, and to thoroughly comprehend the
scientific proof of God that has just been discovered, by
Modern science.
It has become more important for SCIENTISTS to know what
God is than it is for anyone else in society!

Dirk Van de moortel

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George Hammond wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:55:47 +0100, "Dirk Van de moortel"
> <dirkvand...@nospAm.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>> socratus wrote:
>>> Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
>>> Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies!
>>
>> You've got it somewhat upside down.
>> Religion is the uneducated man's physics.
>>
>> Dirk Vdm

>>
> [Hammond]
> Na, YOU got it backwards Van de Mortal:
>
> Physics is the poor man's religion!
> Religion is the rich man's physics!
>
> The average person including physicists do not need to
> know what God is. The fact that they make ignorant
> statements about God is just as acceptable as the average
> man making ignorant statements about quantum field theory.

> For instance a physicist told me yesterday that there
> can't possibly be a God because animals are designed to eat
> each other. What kind of a God would design a world in
> which lions are supposed to devour Zebras alive?
> Well this is simply ignorance and stupidity on the part
> of the physicist who has no idea what God is. The fact is
> the phenomenon of God is caused by the Secular Trend Human
> Growth Deficit and if there were no such thing we would be
> God living in a perfect world. Furthermore, with a zero
> growth deficit neither humans nor animals would be capable
> of experiencing fear, terror or even pain. So therefore
> getting devoured by a lion actually presents no problem
> whatsoever.
> But the problem is there is a secular trend growth
> deficit which causes our brains to be incompletely grown
> which causes the phenomenon of God. It also causes us to
> experience fear, terror, and excruciating physical pain.
> Now because the average person including the average
> physicist

(*) I have a quibble here, but I'm sure you're smart enough
to understand what I mean, so let's not go into it.

> does not know or understand this he walks around
> saying to himself like Richard Dawkins that "there can't
> possibly be a God". But that's sheer ignorant stupidity
> just as If the average man walks around saying "there can't
> possibly be such a thing as a Black Hole".
> To sum it all up, we are all specialists in this world and
> unless you are a specialist in religion and theology you
> simply do not know what God is, and you will have to consult
> someone like me if you want to find out!
> PS: I am also a physicist!
>
> But not to worry. Hammond has discovered and published
> the world's first scientific proof of God which is in fact a
> simple scientific explanation of what God is. Therefore,
> even physicists can now sit down and read a simple
> scientific explanation of what God is in 15 minutes and be
> privileged to what hitherto has been an esoteric and erudite
> body of knowledge only privy to the most powerful and
> privileged members of our society. Enjoy!


> ========================================
> GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
> Primary site
> http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond
> Mirror site
> http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
> HAMMOND FOLK SONG by Casey Bennetto
> http://interrobang.jwgh.org/songs/hammond.mp3
> =======================================

As always, - from where you are standing, your reply makes
almost (*) perfect sense.

I miss Stephen with his shiny glasses. Don't you?

Dirk Vdm


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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:22:23 -0800, socratus wrote:
> 2.
> Most of elementary particles were got in artificial way, using
> accelerators. This way, in my opinion, is mistaken. === .

STOP. CONTEXT SINGULARITY MALFUNCTION. EJECT EJECT EJECT! CRANIAL
MELTDOWN COMMENCING.

Go away. You have that incoherent natural vs artificial, reality vs
experiment pseudocritism. You can say it's contrived. In fact that's a
fantastic thing that our species can give substance to ideas through
tests. You cannot deny however that:
1. Those collisions imply astronomical (exceedingly high for the humor-
challenged) energies
2. That subparticles came out because of those energies (BIG HINT: THERE
IS ONLY MASS AND ENERGY IN PHYSICS - THE REST IS CONVERSATIONAL SUGAR)
3. That the Big Bang or "Nail biting to the finger"-ly Close Near Miss as
some call it, implies great energies.
4. That in fact models can be made from these observations.
5. That predictions have been proved by these observations.
6. That many of these experiments are based on a long string of such
proved predictions.
7. Which means quite a lot of already useful physics would disintegrate
if you above comment had any semblance of reasons.

So please go away or listen.

> In the Ancient Egypt people believed in many gods with
> human body and animal’s head. They thought they really existed. For me
> these new discovered elementary artificial
> particles are similar to Egyptian’s gods because we cannot meet them
> into any atom, in any physical, chemical, biological processes on our
> Earth.

The COLLIDER is A PHYSICAL PROCESS where you MEET them by IDENTIFYING
their TRACKS on the PHOTOFILM which is more LIKE RECOGNIZING the
DIFFERENCE between a BEAR's paw prints and a SASQUATCH. Now the latter
has yet to be discovered. But I for one DO BELIEVE in BEARS!

> In the Ancient Greek the people believed that sphinxes and centaurs
> really exist. Maybe now some geneticists can create a centaur, but it
> will be Devil’s work.

Wow accidental thread displacement. Watch out for that ditch.

I am sorry to tell that,
> but it seems to me, physicists, creating such elementary
> artificial particles look like those ‘some geneticists’.

How can anyone create something that is not real (IOW, impossible)?

GO AWAY OR LISTEN. Somebody please stop me from clawing the keys out of
my keyboard.

( The mad
> CERN’s way.
> http://www.spacekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/astronomy/13338/The-mad-CERN-s-
project
> ).
> =========== .
> 3.
> Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, there was ‘ bin bang’. And
> every particle appears with its own spin as derivative from the Big
> Bang.
> == .
> I think the spin of quantum particle doesn’t come from big bang, but it
> comes with ‘ virtual particle from Dirac’s sea’.
> Why?
> We have the real particle – electron. Nobody doubts it is a real
> particle. But a strange thing happens when it interacts with Vacuum. All
> its physical parameters become
> infinite. Why? Is it possible? What is the reason?

> #
> The conditions of the ocean permitted to create different kinds of fish.
> The terrestrial’s conditions permitted to create different
> kinds of animals. And the ‘mixed’ conditions of water, earth
> and air on Earth permitted to create, for example, birds, which
> live and act in these three conditions.

You're an alchemist. Great as a spiritual philosophy, but last I heard
ole Isaac Newton didn't get far with it.

> And if we take Universe as a whole, it is Two- Measured: close by
> Material ( Gravity) World exists Infinite Vacuum World. The conditions
> in these two Worlds are different. And when electron moves from Material
> (Gravity) World to the Infinite Vacuum World its physical parameters
> changes. " The law of conservation and transformation energy / mass" is
> connected with electron’s transformation.

STOP. I'M GETTING THE TIMECUBE JITTERS.


> We know the electron is very important particle in our live. It acts in
> Maxwell’s electrodynamics. It acts in the atom.

Actually it's a meaningless particle beyond the fact that it can attract
or repel. 'Acts'? It has tentacles with which it pulls protons toward it?

ARE YOU SUCKING FERIOUS?

> But how electron acts in cell and in Outer space we don’t know.

Calling Parascientist Newton. This one here doesn't believe the rules up
there are the same as down here.

Do you still use Ptolemy's planetary orbits? Honestly.

I have to stop here. Maybe I'm too harsh. Maybe I'm expecting too much.

Listen, if the rules in space were different from those here, then there
would have to be a REASON (hence rules) above the realm of here and there
in which case that REASON is a set of rules which IS THE SAME here and
there.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

There is a FUNDAMENTAL CONTRADICTION in saying that the rules out there
are different from here. The very ESSENCE of RULES is the GOVERNING of
DIFFERENCES!

No more. I am scarred by your mutterings, knave.

We need
> time to understand this fact. === .
> P.S.
> Tell me what an electron is and I'll then tell you everything. /
> Somebody./

You stole that from Scott Adams' God's Debris, I think.

It's a paperclip. Does tricks when sitting on a magnet and either gets
stuck in other paperclips or bounces off them. Happy?

Ok my personal theory, it's an arrangement of energy where the substance
is in a hyper state which severely affects the surrounding area so that
when its brothers and cousins get near. So in that case it's microscopic
quicksand.

Newsflash: What, when, and where are for gossip columns. Who, how, and
why (aka motive, opportunity, and the murder weapon) is reality.

I don't particularly care what an electron is as long as it's a
consistently behaving entity which can explain phenomena. The rest is
tabloid fodder.


--
Fuck the Enlightenment! Viva la Renaissance!

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Wow, I gotta check that out. There's always room for a mistake, but Holy
Ed-Bernays-Is-An-A*****e Batman, that's some purty science right.

BURT

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> Fuck the Enlightenment! Viva la Renaissance!- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Religion is more important than science.

Mitch Raemsch

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