The surface of the 4th dimension
BURT
surface.
Mitch raemsch
Sanforized
Those are only words to you.
Mitch Raemsch
No. The 4th dimension is a real space dimension.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
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mike3
A dimension doesn't have a surface.
You're wrong. Again.
mike3
wrote:
Oh really? So why do we only see 3 dimensions of space?
Mitch Raemsch
"Nature loves to hide." Hemicritus
Sometimes what appears is wrong and what doesn't appear is right.
Mitch Raemsch
socratus
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1.
Is it hard to see the three dimension. . .???
No.
There are an independent space and independent time:
We notice it on our planet – Earth. It is a 3D space.
The space (Newtonian) around us is 3D,
and our eyes allow us to see this 3D.
If we take Descartes coordinates plus time,
when it is possible to say:
4D = 3D space + 1D time.
We live in this 4D and are aware of it.
2.
Minkowski tried to understand SRT using 4-D space.
Now we say :
" that it is impossible to see the fourth dimension.. ." Why?
Maybe because: we are in a "special kind of intelligence
is variably called schizophrenia. "
What is the reason of this illness?
The reason is hidden in abstract thinking about :
abstract ideal gas, abstract black body,
abstract inertial systems, abstract virtual particles,
abstract zoo of antiparticles, abstract
Schrödinger’s cat in a dark matter ,
abstract 4D, 5D, 11D, 27D , and etc......
Is there a medicine for this illness?
Of course.
On the one recipe is written " Vacuum: T=0K",
On the other recipe is written " Light quanta".
If we don’t take this medicine our human society
will remain in the state of "schizophrenia". Save us God.
3.
Is it hard to see the fourth dimension. . .???
No.
There is simultaneous union of space and time
(negative four-dimensional /Minkowski / space).
Herman Minkowski :
“ Henceforth, space by itself, and time by itself,
are doomed to fade away into mere shadows,
and only a kind of union of the two will
preserve an independent reality.”
Question.
What is the “a kind of union of the two “?
The answer.
It is Vacuum. T=0K.
It is the space between milliards of billions Galaxies.
And only this space has “ a kind of union “ and has
negative quantity - negative temperature. And it is
negative four-dimensional /Minkowski / space .
The detected material mass of the
matter in the Universe is so small (the average density
of all substance in the Universe is approximately
p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that the gravitation law doesn't work.
Astronomers and astrophysicists know about this fact and
therefore (to save the gravitation law) invented new matter
a "dark matter", a new energy a “dark energy” and another
abstract objects. This “ invention” is only a result of our
mentality , which says: ” If in a theory you meet infinity it
means the theory is nonsense”. It is very hard to take that
the Universe is infinite. It is no easy matter to give up
a lifetime of habit .
4.
On my opinion, the Vacuum is the flat Pseudo-Euclid's space,
the Vacuum is the Minkowski 4-D continuum of space/time.
On my opinion it is impossible to use GRT to Universe as
a whole. The Newton/ Einstein's gravitation laws are correct
only in the local parts of Vacuum. The Universe / Vacuum
as a whole is endless.
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#
"Science is built up with facts, as a house is with stones.
But a collections of facts is no more science
than a heap of stones is a house."
/Poincare./
#
Einstein said,
"remember gentlemen, we have not proven
that the Aether does not exist, we have
merely proven that we do not need it (for computations)"!!!
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Benj
> On Aug 16, 7:17 pm, Mitch Raemsch <mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com>
> > > > Mitch raemsch
>
> > > Those are only words to you.
>
> > No. The 4th dimension is a real space dimension.
>
> Oh really? So why do we only see 3 dimensions of space?
Jeeze, I hate it when Mitch starts to quote things that are true! He
must have been reading my website again.
As for you Mike3, your assignment is to go read "Flatland" again. As
usual, Einstein and his goofy mathematics has totally brought thinking
to a dead stop. In this case by the use of the bogus "space-time".
Fact is that ALL higher dimensions (ones you can't see) will manifest
in the observable dimensions as time (the actions of phenomena).
Obviously nobody here has any desire to actually think about these
things.
Mitch Raemsch
The 4th dimension is without time.
Mitch Reamsch
BURT
The surface of the 4th dimension is round.
Mitch Raemsch
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
[snip]
>
> The surface of the 4th dimension is round.
Define 'round'.
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BURT
> BURT wrote:
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> [snip]
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> > The surface of the 4th dimension is round.
>
> Define 'round'.
>
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> From the moment I picked your book up until I put it down I was
> convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it.
> -- Groucho Marx, from "The Book of Insults"
Round is an unchanging curve.
Mitch Raemsch
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
No, seriously. Can you define "round"? I mean with a mathematical test
which we can apply to some geometric figure and get an answer: "is" or
"is not" round?
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Sanforized
> BURT wrote:
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>>On Aug 19, 8:38 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>
>>>BURT wrote:
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>
>>>>The surface of the 4th dimension is round.
>>>
>>>Define 'round'.
>>>
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>>>From the moment I picked your book up until I put it down I was
>>>convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it.
>>> -- Groucho Marx, from "The Book of Insults"
>>
>>Round is an unchanging curve.
>>
>>Mitch Raemsch
>
>
> No, seriously. Can you define "round"? I mean with a mathematical test
> which we can apply to some geometric figure and get an answer: "is" or
> "is not" round?
I've always considered a egg to be round. It has a
continuous surface with no angularity anywhere.
Woe the poor bird that has to lay an egg with
angularity on the surface. Evolution is kind
sometimes.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
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> > BURT wrote:
> >
> >>On Aug 19, 8:38 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>BURT wrote:
> >>>
> >>>[snip]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The surface of the 4th dimension is round.
> >>>
> >>>Define 'round'.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Paul Hovnanian mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com
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> >>>From the moment I picked your book up until I put it down I was
> >>>convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it.
> >>> -- Groucho Marx, from "The Book of Insults"
> >>
> >>Round is an unchanging curve.
> >>
> >>Mitch Raemsch
> >
> >
> > No, seriously. Can you define "round"? I mean with a mathematical test
> > which we can apply to some geometric figure and get an answer: "is" or
> > "is not" round?
>
> I've always considered a egg to be round. It has a
> continuous surface with no angularity anywhere.
But an egg has a changing curve.
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BURT
> BURT wrote:
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> > On Aug 19, 8:38 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> > > BURT wrote:
>
> > > [snip]
>
> > > > The surface of the 4th dimension is round.
>
> > > Define 'round'.
>
> > > --
> > > Paul Hovnanian mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > From the moment I picked your book up until I put it down I was
> > > convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it.
> > > -- Groucho Marx, from "The Book of Insults"
>
> > Round is an unchanging curve.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> No, seriously. Can you define "round"? I mean with a mathematical test
> which we can apply to some geometric figure and get an answer: "is" or
> "is not" round?
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> Smoking is one of the leading causes of statistics.
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Calculus says it is an unchnaging curve.
Mitch Raemsch
Sanforized
> Sanforized wrote:
>
>>Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>BURT wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Aug 19, 8:38 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>BURT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The surface of the 4th dimension is round.
>>>>>
>>>>>Define 'round'.
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Paul Hovnanian mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com
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>>>>
>>>>>From the moment I picked your book up until I put it down I was
>>>>
>>>>>convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it.
>>>>> -- Groucho Marx, from "The Book of Insults"
>>>>
>>>>Round is an unchanging curve.
>>>>
>>>>Mitch Raemsch
>>>
>>>
>>>No, seriously. Can you define "round"? I mean with a mathematical test
>>>which we can apply to some geometric figure and get an answer: "is" or
>>>"is not" round?
>>
>>I've always considered a egg to be round. It has a
>>continuous surface with no angularity anywhere.
>
>
> But an egg has a changing curve.
On target!
Sanforized
> On Aug 20, 6:47 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
>>BURT wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Aug 19, 8:38 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>BURT wrote:
>>
>>>>[snip]
>>
>>>>>The surface of the 4th dimension is round.
>>
>>>>Define 'round'.
>>
>>>>--
>>>>Paul Hovnanian mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com
>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>From the moment I picked your book up until I put it down I was
>>>>convulsed with laughter. Some day I intend reading it.
>>>> -- Groucho Marx, from "The Book of Insults"
>>
>>>Round is an unchanging curve.
>>
>>>Mitch Raemsch
>>
>>No, seriously. Can you define "round"? I mean with a mathematical test
>>which we can apply to some geometric figure and get an answer: "is" or
>>"is not" round?
> Calculus says it is an unchnaging curve.
> Mitch Raemsch
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The Ghost In The Machine
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on Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:20:38 -0700 (PDT)
<aaefbef7-dd82-435d...@p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
Calculus says nothing of the sort; it is a calculation
method (or, if one wants to be a literalist, little pebbles
in sand grooves ;-) ).
Best I can do is take a point on a 2-D surface embedded
in a Euclidean 3-space and touch it with a nearby sphere
of some radius r > 0; if it touches at only that point,
it's round (there are usually 2 spheres). One might ask
as to whether r is constant.
It looks like the concept is easily generalizable to
N dimensions.
Of course you may simply be misusing the term "round" as
a synonym for "curved".
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Antares 531
wrote:
Those other dimensions are compactified to less than a Planck Length,
or as the Bible puts it, "rolled up like a scroll." Gordon
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Show your work.
Or stay after class to clean erasers.
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Have gnu, will travel.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
That's part way there. There is a more precise definition of how a curve
changes to still be thought of as "round".
There's also the property of having a closed surface. IOW, a parabola is
curved, but not really round.
But I doubt Mitch/BURT has any clues about this, much less the ability
to grasp the math and topology behind such explainations.
Sanforized
This is all only shadows on the wall (Allegory of the Cave)
but Mitch/BURT thinks it is the reality as created by his
personal God. That being said, the math and topology would
mean nothing to him if he ever did understand it, nor
does anything beyond his personal "written for the masses
science" opinions.
BURT
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Objects are moving on the surface of the 4th dimension.
Mitch Raemsch