If the idea of unified field theory (UFT) is correct, then a definition of Unified Spacetime Geometry (USG) should exist in which UFT can be expressed in a simple and obvious way, like EM in terms of Lorentz spacetime. If the USG happens to coincide with Lorentz spacetime, it’s great, but there is no reason to assume this coincidence. As already revealed by the standard model, Lorentz spacetime cannot present these forces in a simple and obvious way (even though it is verified to certain extent). Hence, it makes sense to look further for the more suitable USG. In this respect, notice that there are three assumptions in today’s spacetime geometry: 1. the assumption of inertial frames in special relativity, 2. the assmption of consistent proper time across a manifold in general relativity, and 3. the assumption of the existence of plane angle scales without being defined by any physics activity. This discussion deals with the first two assumptions. Please refer to my website, www.physicsrenaissance.com, for an investigation of the third assumption. Obviously, the purpose is not to criticize or disprove Lorentz spacetime (or the general relativity based on it) as they are already verified, but to uncover the spacetime aspects beyond what is assumed. Because these assumptions were set up with only electromagnetism in mind, exploring beyond them may very well uncover geometric aspects appropriate to the non-electromagnetic parts of unified field theory. It will be shown that these assumptions actually act as a lock which closed the door to a hidden dimension which could have been defined concretely (but is instead substituted by these assumptions).
The Assumption of Inertial Frames in Special Relativity
Lorentz spacetime is defined for uniformly moving frames to measure light at the same speed, regardless of the frame velocity. The problem is that “uniformly moving” frames are pre-selected before Lorentz spacetime scales are defined to justify its uniformity. Likewise, light and faster-than-light (FTL) mono matter waves also cannot be distinguished until Lorentz spacetime scales are defined. The remedy: the strict spacetime definition without presumption would be based on the principle that all light and FTL (according to Lorentz scales) mono waves be measured at the same speed, and include both inertial and non-inertial frames, with “uniformly” moving frames defined “as being measured by the spacetime scales being defined”.
Elimination of the assumption: the generalized 4+1 spacteime Not being pre-occupied with Lorentz spacetime (thus, no wave packets, no earth, no stars, etc.), just imagine what would be the spacetime definition which accommodates “all” mono matter waves most elegantly. It is a 4+1 spacetime, as mono waves have but one more degree of freedom, its speed. Adding one extra dimension to accommodate this degree of freedom naturally levels all mono waves to the same (light) speed. The 4+1 spacetime is the “inevitable” conclusion of special relativity if the definition of Lorentz spacetime is executed rigorously. The 4+1 spacetime is the most natural and symmetric spacetime for both massive and massless particles as all of their associated waves share the same massless wave equation in the 4+1 spacetime
where mass is gained automatically due to change of scales. (Subscript L means under Lorentz measurements, while no subscript is for the 4+1 scales). Superscript m is for the extra dimension, xm. The transformation between them, for “each” mono wave, is
Since Lorentz time scale is shorter than the 4+1 time scale, eq. (3.d), it measures “the same” mono wave as FTL. Just like SR uniting the absolute Newtonian time and space to form a 3+1 space-time continuum, the 4+1 spacetime unites mass with Lorentz spacetime to form a 4+1 space-time-mass continuum, as demonstrated in eq. (1). Eq. (1) is also more beautiful than (2) as xm is treated on the same footing as all other dimensions. The 4+1 spacetime doesn’t contradict the verified Lorentz spacetime, but only expands it. It makes no sense to rule out the FTL mono waves at the beginning as they are “not” faster than light in the more natural (inertial-frame-assumption-free) 4+1 spacetime. Instead, what should be removed is actually the assumption of inertial frames. (Note: since in the real world we feel only one time flow, the various Lorentz times for different waves are synchronized and spatial dimensions are expanded.)
The philosophy behind SR and GR have reached the deepest quest for the nature of mass. We have to define inertial mass, gravitational mass and the equivalence between them through the definition of space and time. Correct understanding will only emerge with correct definition, which usually is the one which renders physics in the simplest and most elegant form. Before all these quantities are defined, we should just let physics define them without imposing any assumptions. However, presuming knowledge of uniform frame velocity, we inadvertently closed the door of finding the real nature of mass (thus “forced” mass to be “intrinsic”). Put differently, based on the energy-momentum-mass relation of SR, (E)2 – (p1)2 - (p2)2 - (p3)2 - m2 = 0, space (inverse of energy), time (inverse of momentum) and mass can be defined. But there are 5, not 4, quantities to be defined. All the 5 should be defined simultaneously, none should take precedence over the other. But Lorentz spacetime is defined prior to mass by electromagnetism. Lorentz spacetime is defined based on a special case (m=0) of equation (2), while the 4+1 spacetime is from the general case, equation (1). Even though GR attempted to incorporate gravity later, it is still based on Lorentz spacetime, and the real nature of mass (i.e. nature of inertia and gravity) cannot be revealed. To have mass involved in equal status, both light and FTL (massive) waves must be used in its definition, as suggested by Lorentz and agreed by Weyl. This leads unambiguously to the elegant 4+1 space-time-mass continuum, which has built-in equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass (i.e. the real essence of gravitation), and hence, if interpreted appropriately, the simplest and most elegant gravitation theory should come out of it.
Obviously, this is a profound change not easy to adjust over night. Point is there are in fact assumptions in SR and GR (to be discussed next) which can be removed and I didn’t impose anything of my own, I just carried out Einstein’s teaching one more step and replaced assumptions by logical definitions whenever possible. That is, if special relativity were introduced after quantum mechanics and mono matter waves could not be excluded, the same spacetime definition would result in the 4+1 spacetime instead of 3+1 Lorentz spacetime. This is the only logical conclusion which yields just perfect answer to quantum gravity and unification with quantum mechanics as to be shown later.
4+1 universe and parity violation This immediately leads to a 4+1 universe (like the spatial dimensions, the extra dimension, xm, is also external) with the universe we see being a curved 3+1 manifold, most likely the curved 3-surface of a 4-sphere, in the flat 4+1 spacetime. If this were true, the same quasars (or whatever objects sitting at the other end of the spherical universe) would likely be observed from both opposite directions in each of the 3 dimensions of the universe (just like two persons traveling from north pole in opposite directions at equal speeds will eventually meet at south pole.) Actually, the numerous double quasars may already serve as partial evidence, where the whole spherical universe serves as the lens. The scarcity of galaxies immediately before the quasar region might also reveal the fact that the 3-volume near the quasar region is actually quite small, as conjectured by this model. In addition, the extension of electromagnetism to the 4+1 spacetime naturally covers parity violation and weak interaction.
The Assumption Of Consistent Proper Time In General Relativity; Gravity
>From The 4+1 Spacetime And Unification With Quantum Mechanics
Curvature from stress-energy of uniform mass and uniform momentum In defining spacetime scales over a curved manifold, general relativity lets proper time act as the standard yardstick and assumes it be consistent throughout the universe. The problem can be seen as follows. Einstein equation is written as
G = 8πGT (4)
Consider the curvature generated by the stress-energy of a single type of particles with uniform mass m and uniform momentum p (and E = (p2 + m2 )½ ). As stress-energy tensor of such a curvature can be decomposed as a product of two 3+1 vectors,
T(E,p^) = (E,p^)×(E,p^)/[V(E^2 – p^2 )½ ] (5)
Einstein curvature tensor can also be decomposed in the same way,
There are complicated mathematics with some parameters to be set between the metric gμν (distance and time units) and the vector (T,X). It is reasonable to assume these parameters should be set to make
qchia...@yahoo.com wrote: > For more background and related topics, please refer to my website: > www.PhysicsRenaissance.com
> If the idea of unified field theory (UFT) is correct, then a definition > of Unified Spacetime Geometry (USG) should exist in which UFT can be > expressed in a simple and obvious way, like EM in terms of Lorentz > spacetime. If the USG happens to coincide with Lorentz spacetime, > it's great, but there is no reason to assume this coincidence. As > already revealed by the standard model, Lorentz spacetime cannot > present these forces in a simple and obvious way (even though it is > verified to certain extent). Hence, it makes sense to look further for > the more suitable USG. In this respect, notice that there are three > assumptions in today's spacetime geometry: 1. the assumption of > inertial frames in special relativity, 2. the assmption of consistent > proper time across a manifold in general relativity, and 3. the > assumption of the existence of plane angle scales without being defined > by any physics activity. This discussion deals with the first two > assumptions. Please refer to my website, www.physicsrenaissance.com, > for an investigation of the third assumption. Obviously, the purpose > is not to criticize or disprove Lorentz spacetime (or the general > relativity based on it) as they are already verified, but to uncover > the spacetime aspects beyond what is assumed. Because these > assumptions were set up with only electromagnetism in mind, exploring > beyond them may very well uncover geometric aspects appropriate to the > non-electromagnetic parts of unified field theory. It will be shown > that these assumptions actually act as a lock which closed the door to > a hidden dimension which could have been defined concretely (but is > instead substituted by these assumptions).
> The Assumption of Inertial Frames in Special Relativity
> Lorentz spacetime is defined for uniformly moving frames to measure > light at the same speed, regardless of the frame velocity. The problem > is that "uniformly moving" frames are pre-selected before Lorentz > spacetime scales are defined to justify its uniformity. Likewise, > light and faster-than-light (FTL) mono matter waves also cannot be > distinguished until Lorentz spacetime scales are defined. The remedy: > the strict spacetime definition without presumption would be based on > the principle that all light and FTL (according to Lorentz scales) mono > waves be measured at the same speed, and include both inertial and > non-inertial frames, with "uniformly" moving frames defined "as > being measured by the spacetime scales being defined".
> Elimination of the assumption: the generalized 4+1 spacteime > Not being pre-occupied with Lorentz spacetime (thus, no wave packets, > no earth, no stars, etc.), just imagine what would be the spacetime > definition which accommodates "all" mono matter waves most > elegantly. It is a 4+1 spacetime, as mono waves have but one more > degree of freedom, its speed. Adding one extra dimension to > accommodate this degree of freedom naturally levels all mono waves to > the same (light) speed. The 4+1 spacetime is the "inevitable" > conclusion of special relativity if the definition of Lorentz spacetime > is executed rigorously. The 4+1 spacetime is the most natural and > symmetric spacetime for both massive and massless particles as all of > their associated waves share the same massless wave equation in the 4+1 > spacetime.
xxein: 3+1is just fine. All that is needed is to identify why things move (including the 3+1).
> Mysteries in particles cannot be solved by the 4+1 spacetime alone. It > also requires the concept of solid angle rotation discussed in my > website www.physicsrenaissance.com
Energy released from a non-perfect point (say a black hole or a big bang) cannot diffuse without entanglement (chaos). But it does follow physical laws. We wish to know what they are.
Until someone demonstrates that how the entanglement exists/ensues and is sustained (presumedly by this very same energy), we will not know gravity. But we do know that energy density (heat/collision/friction?) does make the micro and the macro anistropic to each other. Add to that, the very basic idea of adiabacity (local triggers) that define states of energy and matter against themselves and each other and you will find that our inept considerations of any known laws of physics is only macrosanct.
Does this mean that we will never "know" the laws of this universe or beyond? Yes! But, still, we don't know what road to follow either. We get our jollies by comparing ideologies instead of being bold enough to break away and create new philosophy oriented to the universe instead of our subjective self-view.
These are but simple words and yet we cannot break away from the subjective ideology we have ordained for ourselves. It seems as though that if we can't trace it to ourselves, it cannot exist. Oh my, how the universe forgets to appease our meagre thoughts! Why doesn't it obey us?
Would the universe act the same if it had to obey a mortal's theory? Where is the 'authority' to decree? Even if all the tried and accepted theories gave only their most positively proven aspects, this universe would probably disolve in a femto-second. You know I am right.
All we can do is study to find the correct road that this universe follows. I doubt that we have the resources to follow it 10% of the WAY. Such is our life as we don't know it.
OK. We settle with 5% of anything subjectively oriented that is domesticated to us and call it a physic. That is on the extreme macro-side of all events that occur. If measured in layers of complexity (those beyond our current scope or comprehension), our wildest imagination is certainly less than 10% of the scope of the micro-events that make things work in a continuous universe (and we don't even know if THIS universe is of completely sole existense).
We WILL create this universe in our own image just as we create gods. All is subjectivity with a limp salute to a subjectively chosen objectivity. Einstein succombed, also. Lorentz didn't think that far ahead (gravity).
How far would you like me to go with this? There is no end, why should there have been a beginning?
> In this respect, notice that there are three assumptions in today's > spacetime geometry: > 1. the assumption of inertial frames in special relativity,
Yep it is really a big assumption having not a shred of any evidence that frames that are isotopic and homogeneous in space and homogeneous in time should exist - at least conceptually.
> 2. the assmption of consistent proper time across a manifold in general > relativity,
So looking at the time on your wristwatch is not invariant? It basically means regardless of coordinate system what you observe for a clock at rest wrt to you is always the same. It is so obvious that to doubt really would indicate severe problems in thinking.
> > In this respect, notice that there are three assumptions in today's > > spacetime geometry: > > 1. the assumption of inertial frames in special relativity,
> Yep it is really a big assumption having not a shred of any evidence that > frames that are isotopic and homogeneous in space and homogeneous in time > should exist - at least conceptually.
> > 2. the assmption of consistent proper time across a manifold in general > > relativity,
> So looking at the time on your wristwatch is not invariant? It basically > means regardless of coordinate system what you observe for a clock at rest > wrt to you is always the same. It is so obvious that to doubt really would > indicate severe problems in thinking.
> Rest of rubbish/misconceptions snipped.
Sheesh Bill, I think you might be a bit quick on the trigger here. You didn't even read far enough to understand what he is talking about. An extension to GR; not a replacement. IMHO, Super-GR is needed.
> xxein: 3+1is just fine. All that is needed is to identify why things > move (including the 3+1).
Things (inertial masses) move because they are getting closer to objects pulling them forward while getting farther from objects pulling them backward.
They don't accelerate in this process (as a falling meteor) because in a homogenous universe the motion increases the population of retarding objects behind them while decreasing the population of attractive objects before them.
That sounds a little like: 'fish can coast in water because their behind is getting squeezed harder than their head.'
Maybe that is not too far off the mark considering the shape of a fish. :o)
xx...@bellsouth.net wrote: > qchia...@yahoo.com wrote: > > For more background and related topics, please refer to my website: > > www.PhysicsRenaissance.com
> > If the idea of unified field theory (UFT) is correct, then a definition > > of Unified Spacetime Geometry (USG) should exist in which UFT can be > > expressed in a simple and obvious way, like EM in terms of Lorentz > > spacetime. If the USG happens to coincide with Lorentz spacetime, > > it's great, but there is no reason to assume this coincidence. As > > already revealed by the standard model, Lorentz spacetime cannot > > present these forces in a simple and obvious way (even though it is > > verified to certain extent). Hence, it makes sense to look further for > > the more suitable USG. In this respect, notice that there are three > > assumptions in today's spacetime geometry: 1. the assumption of > > inertial frames in special relativity, 2. the assmption of consistent > > proper time across a manifold in general relativity, and 3. the > > assumption of the existence of plane angle scales without being defined > > by any physics activity. This discussion deals with the first two > > assumptions. Please refer to my website, www.physicsrenaissance.com, > > for an investigation of the third assumption. Obviously, the purpose > > is not to criticize or disprove Lorentz spacetime (or the general > > relativity based on it) as they are already verified, but to uncover > > the spacetime aspects beyond what is assumed. Because these > > assumptions were set up with only electromagnetism in mind, exploring > > beyond them may very well uncover geometric aspects appropriate to the > > non-electromagnetic parts of unified field theory. It will be shown > > that these assumptions actually act as a lock which closed the door to > > a hidden dimension which could have been defined concretely (but is > > instead substituted by these assumptions).
> > The Assumption of Inertial Frames in Special Relativity
> > Lorentz spacetime is defined for uniformly moving frames to measure > > light at the same speed, regardless of the frame velocity. The problem > > is that "uniformly moving" frames are pre-selected before Lorentz > > spacetime scales are defined to justify its uniformity. Likewise, > > light and faster-than-light (FTL) mono matter waves also cannot be > > distinguished until Lorentz spacetime scales are defined. The remedy: > > the strict spacetime definition without presumption would be based on > > the principle that all light and FTL (according to Lorentz scales) mono > > waves be measured at the same speed, and include both inertial and > > non-inertial frames, with "uniformly" moving frames defined "as > > being measured by the spacetime scales being defined".
> > Elimination of the assumption: the generalized 4+1 spacteime > > Not being pre-occupied with Lorentz spacetime (thus, no wave packets, > > no earth, no stars, etc.), just imagine what would be the spacetime > > definition which accommodates "all" mono matter waves most > > elegantly. It is a 4+1 spacetime, as mono waves have but one more > > degree of freedom, its speed. Adding one extra dimension to > > accommodate this degree of freedom naturally levels all mono waves to > > the same (light) speed. The 4+1 spacetime is the "inevitable" > > conclusion of special relativity if the definition of Lorentz spacetime > > is executed rigorously. The 4+1 spacetime is the most natural and > > symmetric spacetime for both massive and massless particles as all of > > their associated waves share the same massless wave equation in the 4+1 > > spacetime.
> xxein: 3+1is just fine. All that is needed is to identify why things > move (including the 3+1).
> > Mysteries in particles cannot be solved by the 4+1 spacetime alone. It > > also requires the concept of solid angle rotation discussed in my > > website www.physicsrenaissance.com
> Energy released from a non-perfect point (say a black hole or a big > bang) cannot diffuse without entanglement (chaos). But it does follow > physical laws. We wish to know what they are.
> Until someone demonstrates that how the entanglement exists/ensues and > is sustained (presumedly by this very same energy), we will not know > gravity. But we do know that energy density (heat/collision/friction?) > does make the micro and the macro anistropic to each other. Add to > that, the very basic idea of adiabacity (local triggers) that define > states of energy and matter against themselves and each other and you > will find that our inept considerations of any known laws of physics is > only macrosanct.
> Does this mean that we will never "know" the laws of this universe or > beyond? Yes! But, still, we don't know what road to follow either. > We get our jollies by comparing ideologies instead of being bold enough > to break away and create new philosophy oriented to the universe > instead of our subjective self-view.
> These are but simple words and yet we cannot break away from the > subjective ideology we have ordained for ourselves. It seems as though > that if we can't trace it to ourselves, it cannot exist. Oh my, how > the universe forgets to appease our meagre thoughts! Why doesn't it > obey us?
> Would the universe act the same if it had to obey a mortal's theory? > Where is the 'authority' to decree? Even if all the tried and accepted > theories gave only their most positively proven aspects, this universe > would probably disolve in a femto-second. You know I am right.
> All we can do is study to find the correct road that this universe > follows. I doubt that we have the resources to follow it 10% of the > WAY. Such is our life as we don't know it.
> OK. We settle with 5% of anything subjectively oriented that is > domesticated to us and call it a physic. That is on the extreme > macro-side of all events that occur. If measured in layers of > complexity (those beyond our current scope or comprehension), our > wildest imagination is certainly less than 10% of the scope of the > micro-events that make things work in a continuous universe (and we > don't even know if THIS universe is of completely sole existense).
> We WILL create this universe in our own image just as we create gods. > All is subjectivity with a limp salute to a subjectively chosen > objectivity. Einstein succombed, also. Lorentz didn't think that far > ahead (gravity).
> How far would you like me to go with this? There is no end, why should > there have been a beginning?
My answer to XXEI...Bellsouth:
Xxein...@Bellsouth and Bill Hobba,
Yes, there are a lot of things we don't know and probably will never know. But, what I'm trying to point out here is that, for answering the unified field theory, we haven't yet exhausted all the basic spacetime geometrical aspect which are (relatively) easily reachable.
Let me expound it more to make this concept more comprehensible. We all know the Lorentz spacetime is 3+1 dimensional. But is it just 3 spatial dimensions and one time dimension. No, because there is also the rotation group SO(3,1). So, the Poincare group contains linear displacement and rotation groups. But, is that all to the Lorentz spacetime? No, where are the solid angle (3-d) rotation, and even higher dimensional rotations? Obviously, Poincare group is not complete yet. As pointed out in my 2nd article in my website, weak interaction is believed to be caused by solid angle rotation. We cannot formulate weak interaction simply and obviously without solid angle rotation, just as we cannot formulate EM simply and obviously without recognizing plane angle rotation. But instead of exhausting all these possibilities, we went too far beyond, such as the strings, etc.
Investigation of the assumptions is a way to explore the hidden aspects of spactime. I would say my purpose is to uncover what is hidden behind the assumptions, rather than criticizing or disproving the assumptions.
Let's start from the 3+1 Lorentz spacetime continuum. If now we assume time is absolute, we get just one slice of the Newtonian space and time. It is a separate 3-d space (plus a separate absolute time). Investigation of the assumption (of absolute time) is not necessarily disproving Newtonian space and time. On the contrary, the investigation leads us to try a non-absolute time and let time vary with space according to certain physics activity (e.g. EM). As a result, the new time dimension (as a continuum with the space) is uncovered. That's why I say an assumption sometimes acts as a lock for a door to a new dimension or aspect of spacetime geometry.
Now, as I showed in my post the most natural and symmetric spacetime should be 4+1 dimensional. The assumption of inertial frames effectively fixes us at one 3+1 slice of the 4+1 spacetime continuum. Investigation of the assumption will unlock the lock for the door to the xm dimension.
The same is true to the assumption of consistent proper time in GR. If measured by the universal consistent 4+1 spacetime scales, locally Lorentz light waves could be much faster than light. Assumption of only light speed for light waves restricts the (GR) theory applicable only to local region, such as in the solar system, which is exactly the only place GR has been verified.
Whether the xm dimension or solid angle rotation, they all come out of logical deductions without subjective opinion. They are much less an invention than the strings.
As to the black hole, in the 4+1 spacetime universe and all particles (e.g. protons, neutrons, etc.) are believed to be 4 (spatial) dimensional. A black hole is probably equivalent to a particle.
As to the philosophical aspects of physics, I think at such a fundamental level, they cannot be separated. Spacetime geometry and physics come hand in hand. Geometry is defined by physics activities and physics activities occur because geometry
> > In this respect, notice that there are three assumptions in today's > > spacetime geometry: > > 1. the assumption of inertial frames in special relativity,
> Yep it is really a big assumption having not a shred of any evidence that > frames that are isotopic and homogeneous in space and homogeneous in time > should exist - at least conceptually.
> > 2. the assmption of consistent proper time across a manifold in general > > relativity,
> So looking at the time on your wristwatch is not invariant? It basically > means regardless of coordinate system what you observe for a clock at rest > wrt to you is always the same. It is so obvious that to doubt really would > indicate severe problems in thinking.
> Rest of rubbish/misconceptions snipped.
> Bill
Please see my reply to xxein...@Bellsouth.
As pointed out there, investigation of assumptions in spacetime definitions is not for the purpose to criticize or disprove the assumption or definition, but to explore beyond what has been assumed, which might be appropriate for non-electromagnetic part6s of the unified field theory.
I selectively mentioned these 3 assumptions only because I saw dimension or geometric aspect hidden behind these assumptions. Of course, there are other assumptions.
Obviously, Einstein also observed the assumption of inertial frame being too restrictive, hence developed GR. But I don't think he did it in the most elegant way. As elaborated in my post, the most elegant result will only come out by invoking inertial mass and gravitational mass at each mono matter wave level (which results the 4+1 spacetime).