CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
George Hammond
Copyright: George Hammond 2009
As I've said many times before my best estimate of the
probability of life after death is only about 30%. In
short, it is more likely that there is no such thing as a
literal afterlife. I have to keep constantly reminding
myself of that as I forge ahead into microtubule research.
In the first place I am now well aware that a man can
visually discover, that is make significant penetration into
the invisible world. For instance take the matter of "sin".
To someone who is not accustomed to looking into the
invisible world from long experience and can only approach
the matter of sin from a logical standpoint; sin appears to
be an extreme logical dilemma.
Fact of the matter is you cannot understand what sin is
until you can actually see it with the naked eye. By that I
mean that you have to be able to see through the mask of a
psychotic and see the real person who is hiding behind it.
Not only is that true of highly abnormal psychotic
personalities it also holds true for quite ordinary
run-of-the-mill personalities. Actors, entertainers,
impersonators and so forth. While you are dazzled by these
amazing people when you are quite young by the time you
reaches middle or old age you have discovered by direct
visual perception what exactly it is that is so fascinating
about them. Simply put, they are not who they look like.
The most amazing, awesome, fascinating and entertaining and
in some cases the most frightening personalities in society
are people who are able to mask themselves and appear to be
someone they are not. This of course immediately makes them
sound interesting, fascinating, alluring, exceptional, even
intelligent, high-class or beautiful, or even seductive.
There is a great art to all this and the the commonly known
varieties such as the "baby faced thug" or the "high-class
English accent" is only the tip of the iceberg of the
borderline or quasi-sychotic personality.
The fact of the matter is that the entire body of
middle-class society in the entire world is almost
universally wearing a mask to some degree or another. This
situation has come about through long centuries of terrific
and often times dire and treacherous social confrontation
over wealth.....yes, money, land, property, income, jobs,
political power etc. Now unless you are part of the system
you are virtually unaware of it, in fact even people who are
part of the system are not entirely aware of it, they simply
think it's a natural human condition. But as thousands of
years of history has long noticed and discovered it has
become an epidemic social syndrome of now epic proportions
and it is this situation that Religion refers to as "sin".
This is what they mean when they say that the world is
sinful or evil, and it is this situation that they are
referring to when they call for people to "repent" or advise
them to go to "confession". This hypocritical and now epic
social situation precisely that they are talking about.
Now if you are one of the have-nots and are not a member
of the privy elite then odds are that you are in fact are
victim of it. You are not able to see it at all, in fact
you don't even know that it exists or how massive it is. You
have next to no idea what "sin", "evil" or "repentance" is
all about and certainly the average sunday message must
appear a total and unfathomable mystery to you. But be
advised, that the elite and privileged class of society who
actually run things, know exactly what the Church is talking
about. So if you're a disenfranchised no account innocent
bystander, or say a very young person, you are well advised
to keep your head down and read this message and keep it
under your hat until you come to understand the situation
better later on.
But finally, it turns out that people who are victims of
this psycho-social reality from birth right up through youth
and even middle-aged CAN actually visually discover and
finally visually recognize what this near universal social
syndrome is and who the players are. This of course is a
miracle in itself, and it is this miracle that was long ago
recognized to be aptly described by the euphemistic
expression "life after death". It is life after death
because it is an utter liberation from a lifetime of bondage
for the person who first discovers that he actually has been
in bodage all his life and has never been aware of it. And
finally, what I want to note in this cautionary message is
that in fact what we may be dealing with in our search of
Life After Death is actually nothing more than a EUPHEMISTIC
METAPHOR and NOT a literal reality. We must be always and
constantly reminded that this may be the true explanation of
the term "life after death" and there may in fact BE NO SUCH
THING as a real, "literal" life after death. Finally of
course there is the possibility that it may be BOTH a
metaphor AND a literal reality.
Okay, having said that and being fully aware of that
cautionary hedge to our bets, it still appears to me that
the discovery of the cytoskeleton-microtubule high frequency
information processing system in the brain, the so-called
"microtubule computer" can only be classified as a "colossal
coincidence" if in fact it is not involved in the long
touted cyber-resurrection of the body to a state of virtual
reality upon death. So therefore, I still find it necessary
to push forward through to the frontiers of cytoskeleton
research vis-�-vis Hameroff-Penrose et al. until I have
turned over every single rock in an exhaustive effort to
find out how probable this possibility is given the current
state of scientific knowlege.
Geo. Hammond, Hyannis, Xmas Eve 2009
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chazwin
> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>
> Copyright: George Hammond 2009
>
> As I've said many times before my best estimate of the
> probability of life after death is only about 30%.
You fucking idiot!!
Why don't you just top yourself and answer the question once and for
all.
George Hammond
[Hammond]
The entire world has been trying to answer the question
for 5,000 years without success. Whaddau want from me for
chrissakes, a miracle?
Uncle Al
>
> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/jessy.jpg
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/analysis.jpg
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
Look into the light.
Only an idiot believes in post-mortem escrow closing with full advance
payment in the here and now.
Yahweh is singularly disinterested in human suffering other than to
inflict it. In the whole of human history across the entire planet
not one deity has volunteered Novocain. It is a telling omission.
Let God establish His dominion of poverty, hunger, disease, filth,
death, and silk-clad priests with whips and yer screwed.
Can God make a collection plate so vast that even He cannot fill it?
Sure! ALL OF THEM. "Non tamen solam intendit interiorem, immo
interior nulla est, nisi foris operetur varias carnis
mortificationes." HA HA HA.
idiot
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
Dr. HotSalt
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:28:23 -0800, George Hammond
>
> <Nowhe...@notspam.com> wrote:
>
> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>
> Copyright: George Hammond 2009
>
> As I've said many times before my best estimate of the
> probability of life after death is only about 30%. In
> short, it is more likely that there is no such thing as a
> literal afterlife. I have to keep constantly reminding
> myself of that as I forge ahead into microtubule research.
In another post you mention a short lifetime for microtubules. Cite
please?
What amuses me is the now-public acknowledgement of politicians "re-
inventing" and "branding" themselves for better palatability.
Americans have joked about having the best politicians money can
buy, about electing the most dishonest so we can keep them in public
view, and so on.
The joke is now the reality. No, I have that backwards.
> The fact of the matter is that the entire body of
> middle-class society in the entire world is almost
> universally wearing a mask to some degree or another. This
> situation has come about through long centuries of terrific
> and often times dire and treacherous social confrontation
> over wealth.....yes, money, land, property, income, jobs,
> political power etc. Now unless you are part of the system
> you are virtually unaware of it, in fact even people who are
> part of the system are not entirely aware of it, they simply
> think it's a natural human condition. But as thousands of
> years of history has long noticed and discovered it has
> become an epidemic social syndrome of now epic proportions
> and it is this situation that Religion refers to as "sin".
> This is what they mean when they say that the world is
> sinful or evil, and it is this situation that they are
> referring to when they call for people to "repent" or advise
> them to go to "confession". This hypocritical and now epic
> social situation precisely that they are talking about.
"Evil" is now the accepted norm.
> Now if you are one of the have-nots and are not a member
> of the privy elite then odds are that you are in fact are
> victim of it. You are not able to see it at all, in fact
> you don't even know that it exists or how massive it is. You
> have next to no idea what "sin", "evil" or "repentance" is
> all about and certainly the average sunday message must
> appear a total and unfathomable mystery to you. But be
> advised, that the elite and privileged class of society who
> actually run things, know exactly what the Church is talking
> about. So if you're a disenfranchised no account innocent
> bystander, or say a very young person, you are well advised
> to keep your head down and read this message and keep it
> under your hat until you come to understand the situation
> better later on.
Most never will. They prefer their comforting illusions.
> research vis-à-vis Hameroff-Penrose et al. until I have
> turned over every single rock in an exhaustive effort to
> find out how probable this possibility is given the current
> state of scientific knowlege.
I have to run but I have more to add later.
> Geo. Hammond, Hyannis, Xmas Eve 2009
Thought you'd like to know:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=mind-reviews-doctoring-the-mind
Mark L. Fergerson
Geopelia
"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4B33CC8C...@hate.spam.net...
> George Hammond wrote:
>>
>> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
> [snip 110 lines of crap]
>
> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/jessy.jpg
> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/analysis.jpg
> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
> Look into the light.
>
> Only an idiot believes in post-mortem escrow closing with full advance
> payment in the here and now.
>
> Yahweh is singularly disinterested in human suffering other than to
> inflict it. In the whole of human history across the entire planet
> not one deity has volunteered Novocain. It is a telling omission.
> Let God establish His dominion of poverty, hunger, disease, filth,
> death, and silk-clad priests with whips and yer screwed.
>
> Can God make a collection plate so vast that even He cannot fill it?
> Sure! ALL OF THEM. "Non tamen solam intendit interiorem, immo
> interior nulla est, nisi foris operetur varias carnis
> mortificationes." HA HA HA.
>
> idiot
>
That's Luther. Do you want the whole 95, in English and Latin?
http://www.crivoice.org/creed95theses.html
And the only "indulgences" I am concerned with just now are the usual
Christmas ones :-)
Geopelia
bigfl...@gmail.com
> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>
> Copyright: George Hammond 2009
>
Afterlife is the ultimate oxymoron.
Life is life. A caterpillar is alive, as is a butterfly, so is one of
Hammonds organs.
Try putting your attention on consciousness. Thats where you will get
your evidence. Once you do, the only people you will be able to prove
it to, are those who have also become conscious of that reality,
which, logically, need no proof.
BOfL
George Hammond
<Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
>George Hammond wrote:
>>
>> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>
>Only an idiot believes in post-mortem escrow closing with full advance
>payment in the here and now.
>
>
[Hammond]
Sounds like standard business practice to me;
what'nthehell do you think an IRA retirement account is?
>
<snip Yahweh crap>
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
>news:4B33CC8C...@hate.spam.net...
>> George Hammond wrote:
>>>
>>> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>> [snip 110 lines of crap]
>>
>> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/jessy.jpg
>> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/analysis.jpg
>> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
>> Look into the light.
>>
>> Only an idiot believes in post-mortem escrow closing with full advance
>> payment in the here and now.
>>
>> Yahweh is singularly disinterested in human suffering other than to
>> inflict it. In the whole of human history across the entire planet
>> not one deity has volunteered Novocain. It is a telling omission.
>> Let God establish His dominion of poverty, hunger, disease, filth,
>> death, and silk-clad priests with whips and yer screwed.
>>
>> Can God make a collection plate so vast that even He cannot fill it?
>> Sure! ALL OF THEM. "Non tamen solam intendit interiorem, immo
>> interior nulla est, nisi foris operetur varias carnis
>> mortificationes." HA HA HA.
>>
>> idiot
>>
>
>That's Luther. Do you want the whole 95, in English and Latin?
>
>
[Hammond]
Yes, Luther that SOB caused WWII and the Holocaust for
chrissakes!
>
>http://www.crivoice.org/creed95theses.html
>
>And the only "indulgences" I am concerned with just now are the usual
>Christmas ones :-)
>
>Geopelia
>
George Hammond
<alie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> � � �CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>>
>> Copyright: �George Hammond 2009
>>
>> � �As I've said many times before my best estimate of the
>> probability of life after death is only about 30%. �In
>> short, it is more likely that there is no such thing as a
>> literal afterlife. �I have to keep constantly reminding
>> myself of that as I forge ahead into microtubule research.
>
>
>
>[Mark L. Fergerson]
> In another post you mention a short lifetime for microtubules. Cite
>please?
>
>
[Hammond]
No problem, see:
Half way down the page under MICROTUBULE FORMATION you will
find the following statement:
"Dynamic instability: Microtubules may vary in their rate
of assembly and disassembly. Tubulin half life is nearly a
full day, however, THE HALF LIFE OF A GIVEN MICROTUBULE MAY
BE ONLY 10 MINUTES. Thus, they are in a continued state of
flux. This is believed to respond to the needs of the cell
and is called "dynamic instability". Furthermore, there are
regulatory processes that appear to control this in a cell.
Microtubule growth would be promoted in a dividing or moving
cell. However, microtubule growth would be more controlled
in a stable, polarized cell.
One way to regulate further growth would be to put a GTP cap
on the growing end of a microtubule to regulate further
growth. This happens when the tubulin molecules are added
faster than the GTP can be hydrolyzed. This causes the
microtubule to become stable and not depolymerize. "
George Hammond
>On Dec 24, 11:28�pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.com> wrote:
>> � � �CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>>
>> Copyright: �George Hammond 2009
>>
>Copy wrong.
>
>Afterlife is the ultimate oxymoron.
>
[Hammond]
That's what you think. A PhD in Physics is more likely an
oxymoron.
>
>BOfL
Harbinger
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:59:19 -0800 (PST),
>
> >On Dec 24, 11:28 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.com> wrote:
> >> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>
> >> Copyright: George Hammond 2009
>
> >Copy wrong.
>
> >Afterlife is the ultimate oxymoron.
>
> [Hammond]
> That's what you think. A PhD in Physics is more likely an
> oxymoron.
>
> >BOfL
>
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The main difficulty with the thesis is lack of evidence. OBE's happen,
though, so I keep an open mind. My late friend, John Turner, a genuis
if ever there were one, engaged in research into LCD systems, had an
OBE whilst walking two Amsterdam Phillips collegues to the canteen for
lunch, across a bleak quad in an ugly part of London - Croydon. Ugh!
For maybe five or six seconds, he found himself looking down upon all
three, yet was conscious of engaging in conversation with the other
two in a chatty manner. He said, ''The experience changed my life,
John!'
--
Yrs,
John.
Geopelia
"George Hammond" <Nowh...@notspam.com> wrote in message
news:hor7j55pqsfg5hnpg...@4ax.com...
Why on earth would you think that? Because he was German? He lived centuries
before WWII. He was concerned about Indulgences, which had become a scandal
anyway.
And if you are going to blame German Protestants, how about the Pope of
those days, who did nothing to stop the Holocaust?
That was more concerned with race than religion, anyway.
Geopelia
"Harbinger" <jhngui...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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--------------
That often happens to me. I see my hands moving and hear my voice speaking,
but it doesn't seem to have much to do with me.
I look down at myself, too. And my fingers type odd stuff on the keyboard.
Like a Ouija board, I suppose.
I don't think there is anything supernatural about it, just the brain having
a bit of a hiccup.
Perhaps it's those pesky microtubules.
George Hammond
>[Geopelia]
>Why on earth would you think that? Because he was German? He lived centuries
>before WWII. He was concerned about Indulgences, which had become a scandal
>anyway.
>
>
[Hammond]
Are you kidding madam? Martin Luther was a rabid
anti-semite who wrote notorious tracts encouraging people to
kill Jews and burn down their houses. In his early career
he tried to convert the Jews to Christianity and when they
fail to convert he went into a fit of rage and decided that
they should all be killed.
The Lutheran Church has publicly apologized a number of
times for Martin Luther's anti-Semitic writings. For Christ
sake, don't you know anything about personality types? All
you had to do was take one look at him to realize that he
was a typical anti-Semitic psychotic.
This is very typical of anti-semitic psychotics. For
instance Adolph Eichmann who is personally responsible for
sending 1 million Jews to the gas chambers began his career
by trying to talk the Jews into emigrating to Madagascar or
some such harebrained idea and then when they refused he He
went into a fit of rage and decided to gas them all.
>
>And if you are going to blame German Protestants, how about the Pope of
>those days, who did nothing to stop the Holocaust?
>
>
[Hammond]
Oh come of it, Hitler killed thousands of priests and
nuns. If the Vatican had openly opposed Hitler they would
have killed every priest and nun in Europe, and everybody
knew it.
>
>
>That was more concerned with race than religion, anyway.
>
>>>
>>>http://www.crivoice.org/creed95theses.html
>>>
>>>And the only "indulgences" I am concerned with just now are the usual
>>>Christmas ones :-)
>>>
>>>Geopelia
>>>
>
>
[Hammond]
Me too Geopelia, I'll bet Christmas in Australia is a lot
like Christmas here in New England. Will Christmas trees
grow in Australia?
George Hammond
<jhngui...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On 24 Dec, 23:09, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:59:19 -0800 (PST),
>>
>> "bigflet...@gmail.com" <bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Dec 24, 11:28�pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.com> wrote:
>> >> � � �CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>>
>> >> Copyright: �George Hammond 2009
>>
>> >Copy wrong.
>>
>> >Afterlife is the ultimate oxymoron.
>>
>> [Hammond]
>> That's what you think. �A PhD in Physics is more likely an
>> oxymoron.
>>
>> >BOfL
>>
>> =======================================
>
>
>[Geopelia]
>The main difficulty with the thesis is lack of evidence.
>
>
[Hammond]
I'll be the judge of that thank you. In the first place
you're not a qualified physicist. In the second place your
knowledge of psychology and theology is pretty slim. I
happened to be a qualified professional expert in all three
fields.
>
>[Geopelia]
> OBE's happen,
>though, so I keep an open mind. My late friend, John Turner, a genuis
>if ever there were one, engaged in research into LCD systems, had an
>OBE whilst walking two Amsterdam Phillips collegues to the canteen for
>lunch, across a bleak quad in an ugly part of London - Croydon. Ugh!
>For maybe five or six seconds, he found himself looking down upon all
>three, yet was conscious of engaging in conversation with the other
>two in a chatty manner. He said, ''The experience changed my life,
>John!'
>
>
[Hammond]
Well that's nothing but anecdotal evidence.
Hallucinogenic drugs will do exactly the same thing.
No I think what we need is a qualified physicist who has
spent 20 years studying psychology and theology to take a
serious look into the problem and the first thing he should
do is investigate whether or not the newly discovered
microtubule-computer in the brain is capable of
cyber-resurrecting a person into virtual reality at death.
And that is just exactly what I am doing. so far the
world's leading expert in microtubule structure in the
cytoskeleton, Prof. Stuart Hameroff has told me personally
in an e-mail message that he judges the hypothesis to be
"possible" and then I would think is enough to indicate that
the theory is a competent and credible hypothesis.
Autymn D. C.
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:25:01 -0800 (PST), Harbinger
> <jhnguiney...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >[Geopelia]
> >The main difficulty with the thesis is lack of evidence.
>
> [Hammond]
> I'll be the judge of that thank you. In the first place
> you're not a qualified physicist. In the second place your
> knowledge of psychology and theology is pretty slim. I
> happened to be a qualified professional expert in all three
> fields.
Harbinger, dumbshit.
> >[Geopelia]
> > OBE's happen,
> >though, so I keep an open mind. My late friend, John Turner, a genuis
> >if ever there were one, engaged in research into LCD systems, had an
> >OBE whilst walking two Amsterdam Phillips collegues to the canteen for
> >lunch, across a bleak quad in an ugly part of London - Croydon. Ugh!
> >For maybe five or six seconds, he found himself looking down upon all
> >three, yet was conscious of engaging in conversation with the other
> >two in a chatty manner. He said, ''The experience changed my life,
> >John!'
Harbinger, dumbshit. Geopelia, thank parietal lobe.
> [Hammond]
> Well that's nothing but anecdotal evidence.
> Hallucinogenic drugs will do exactly the same thing.
> No I think what we need is a qualified physicist who has
> spent 20 years studying psychology and theology to take a
> serious look into the problem and the first thing he should
> do is investigate whether or not the newly discovered
already told you, dolt: whether or not = whether or not whether,
ocsýmòrònic
Geopelia
In his day most of Europe was anti-semitic.
Luther was a monk, and would have followed the church's views.
(Jews aren't the only Semitic race. Arabs are, too. Now that is food for
thought, today!)
> The Lutheran Church has publicly apologized a number of
> times for Martin Luther's anti-Semitic writings. For Christ
> sake, don't you know anything about personality types? All
> you had to do was take one look at him to realize that he
> was a typical anti-Semitic psychotic.
What does a person's appearance have to do with their views on race or
religion, unless they are tattooed with swastikas or something?
> This is very typical of anti-semitic psychotics. For
> instance Adolph Eichmann who is personally responsible for
> sending 1 million Jews to the gas chambers began his career
> by trying to talk the Jews into emigrating to Madagascar or
> some such harebrained idea and then when they refused he He
> went into a fit of rage and decided to gas them all.
It wasn't just his idea. Wasn't it decided upon by the Wannsee Conference?
>>And if you are going to blame German Protestants, how about the Pope of
>>those days, who did nothing to stop the Holocaust?
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> Oh come of it, Hitler killed thousands of priests and
> nuns.
Did he kill any that were not opposing his regime? Many Germans were
Catholics.
If the Vatican had openly opposed Hitler they would
> have killed every priest and nun in Europe, and everybody
> knew it.
Who are these "everybody" who are supposed to have known it?
How old were you in the Nazi era, anyway?
(I was in Britain until 1955.)
And Hitler's "microtubules" would have had a field day when he died, if you
are right!
>>
>>That was more concerned with race than religion, anyway.
>>
>>>>
>>>>http://www.crivoice.org/creed95theses.html
>>>>
>>>>And the only "indulgences" I am concerned with just now are the usual
>>>>Christmas ones :-)
>>>>
>>>>Geopelia
>>>>
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> Me too Geopelia, I'll bet Christmas in Australia is a lot
> like Christmas here in New England. Will Christmas trees
> grow in Australia?
Do you have a Christmas barbecue at the beach, swimming and surfing, with
pretty girls in bikinis, in New England?
I rather doubt it, in your present weather!
I'm in New Zealand, but Christmas would be much the same as Australia. But
if you want a White Christmas, we have the Southern Alps.
Conifers can be grown in suitable places in both, Pinus radiata grows well
here, but these days many people prefer an artificial Christmas tree that
doesn't drop needles.
New Zealand has its own glorious "Christmas tree", the pohutukawa. It's
evergreen, but not a fir tree.
It has beautiful red blooms that come out around Christmas, all around the
coast.
And here in New Zealand we have one great advantage at Christmas. Santa
Claus comes to us first!
Merry Christmas!
Geopelia
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:25:01 -0800 (PST), Harbinger
> <jhngui...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 24 Dec, 23:09, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:59:19 -0800 (PST),
>>>
>>> "bigflet...@gmail.com" <bigflet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Dec 24, 11:28 pm, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.com> wrote:
>>> >> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>>>
>>> >> Copyright: George Hammond 2009
>>>
>>> >Copy wrong.
>>>
>>> >Afterlife is the ultimate oxymoron.
>>>
>>> [Hammond]
>>> That's what you think. A PhD in Physics is more likely an
>>> oxymoron.
>>>
>>> >BOfL
>>>
>
>>> =======================================
>>
>>
>>[Geopelia]
>>The main difficulty with the thesis is lack of evidence.
It wasn't me who said that. Geopelia.
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> I'll be the judge of that thank you. In the first place
> you're not a qualified physicist. In the second place your
> knowledge of psychology and theology is pretty slim. I
> happened to be a qualified professional expert in all three
> fields.
Are you talking to me? Of course I don't know much. I just ask the ignorant
questions.
But I think you are replying to somebody else.
Computers!
Geopelia
>>
>>[Geopelia] >> OBE's happen,
>>though, so I keep an open mind. My late friend, John Turner, a genuis
>>if ever there were one, engaged in research into LCD systems, had an
>>OBE whilst walking two Amsterdam Phillips collegues to the canteen for
>>lunch, across a bleak quad in an ugly part of London - Croydon. Ugh!
>>For maybe five or six seconds, he found himself looking down upon all
>>three, yet was conscious of engaging in conversation with the other
>>two in a chatty manner. He said, ''The experience changed my life,
>>John!'
This isn't me either! Geopelia
Geopelia
"Autymn D. C." <lysd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:febcb78c-0dc2-4991...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 25, 4:38 am, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:25:01 -0800 (PST), Harbinger
> <jhnguiney...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >[Geopelia]
> >The main difficulty with the thesis is lack of evidence.
Not me. Geopelia
>
> [Hammond]
> I'll be the judge of that thank you. In the first place
> you're not a qualified physicist. In the second place your
> knowledge of psychology and theology is pretty slim. I
> happened to be a qualified professional expert in all three
> fields.
Harbinger, dumbshit.
> >[Geopelia] Not my post! Geopelia
> > OBE's happen,
> >though, so I keep an open mind. My late friend, John Turner, a genuis
> >if ever there were one, engaged in research into LCD systems, had an
> >OBE whilst walking two Amsterdam Phillips collegues to the canteen for
> >lunch, across a bleak quad in an ugly part of London - Croydon. Ugh!
> >For maybe five or six seconds, he found himself looking down upon all
> >three, yet was conscious of engaging in conversation with the other
> >two in a chatty manner. He said, ''The experience changed my life,
> >John!'
Harbinger, dumbshit. Geopelia, thank parietal lobe.
> [Hammond]
> Well that's nothing but anecdotal evidence.
> Hallucinogenic drugs will do exactly the same thing.
> No I think what we need is a qualified physicist who has
> spent 20 years studying psychology and theology to take a
> serious look into the problem and the first thing he should
> do is investigate whether or not the newly discovered
already told you, dolt: whether or not = whether or not whether,
ocs�m�r�nic
What's going on? I didn't say a lot of this. Geopelia
Tiger Would
> [Hammond]
> Well that's nothing but anecdotal evidence.
> Hallucinogenic drugs will do exactly the same thing.
I've taken LSD hundreds of times and walked in an alternate reality yet
always returned to my normal boring self. I've been trying to tie God
and Science together all my life.
--
tiger
alie...@gmail.com
I've taken LSD hundreds of times as well, but IMO I never "walked in
an alternate reality". LSD is good for shaking loose the perceptual
filters, altering the connections between cortexes, and doing other
things that, if not taken literally, can help us to perceive how our
brains and minds work from the inside (in a way no psychiatrist ever
can by attempting to analyze behavior), but all that Carlos Castaneda
stuff about accessing actual other realities is AFAICT a load of crap.
Also, I've never had an OBE or hallucinated things that weren't
there when I came down. Shifting shapes, colors, temporal distortions,
echoes in all sensory modalities, yeah, but that's all to do with
"timing errors" and unusual cross-connections in the wetware, not
glimpses into other overlapping realities.
Do I "believe" in so-called spooky stuff? I try not to "believe"
things; I do much better with evidence. I have personal experience
with non-corporeal entities, but I'm not gonna go all ghost/spirit/
demon about it.
One other thing; people who dismiss "anecdotal evidence" as
meaningless have ego issues. There's no other kind of evidence. The
fact that I don't know how to induce identical experiences in someone
else merely indicates how poorly we understand such things, not that
they're totally illusionary. Example, the "God part of the brain"
experiments demonstrating induction of "religious experiences" by
selective brain stimulation.
Mark L. Fergerson
Androcles
"nu...@bid.nes" <alie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 25, 1:41 pm, Tiger Would <theoreticalfo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:38:12 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
> > [Hammond]
> > Well that's nothing but anecdotal evidence.
> > Hallucinogenic drugs will do exactly the same thing.
>
> I've taken LSD hundreds of times and walked in an alternate reality yet
> always returned to my normal boring self. I've been trying to tie God
> and Science together all my life.
I've taken LSD hundreds of times
=========================================
That explains your lunacy, then.
bigfl...@gmail.com
Your point re anecdotal evidence is spot on. The only time evidence is
not anecdotal, is if the recipient is on the 'same page' as the
experiencer/observer, no mater what field they are in.
Anyone who has experienced what Castenada or Cayce has experienced,
need no explaination, other than maybe a curiosity on how it happens.
A common experiment a few decades ago , was the Christos experiment,
where many reported a full 'oob' experience (not a detatched
observation from 'inside' as described earlier).
Drugs of the sort you describe, distort reality no matter what level
of frequency you are tuned into. In old cultures, the taking of such
herbs was only available to those who had een through incredibly tough
initiation.
Would you consider going on an exercise with the SAS unless you were
suitable prepared?. There are far greater hazards in the metaphysical
worlds and many get themselves in a real mess by getting there
artificially.
To GH...you are representative of many who have come befor you, by
trying to diuscect tissue to find life. I think the whole of Zen was
written for people like you....Im not knocking you btw. I have no
doubt in your sincerity.
You told me to tak a hike a while ago, so I did, and experienced some
wonderful breakthroughs !
BOfL
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> [Hammond]
>> Are you kidding madam? Martin Luther was a rabid
>> anti-semite who wrote notorious tracts encouraging people to
>> kill Jews and burn down their houses. In his early career
>> he tried to convert the Jews to Christianity and when they
>> fail to convert he went into a fit of rage and decided that
>> they should all be killed.
>
>G: In his day most of Europe was anti-semitic.
>Luther was a monk, and would have followed the church's views.
>(Jews aren't the only Semitic race. Arabs are, too. Now that is food for
>thought, today!)
>
>
[Hammond]
Well I'm sorry but a well known and identified person
like me is not about to engage in a debate about common
knowlege political matters with pseudoananymous Usenet
posters. It's off topic and there's really no point in it.
>
>
>>H: The Lutheran Church has publicly apologized a number of
>> times for Martin Luther's anti-Semitic writings. For Christ
>> sake, don't you know anything about personality types? All
>> you had to do was take one look at him to realize that he
>> was a typical anti-Semitic psychotic.
>
>G: What does a person's appearance have to do with their views on race or
>religion, unless they are tattooed with swastikas or something?
>
>
[Hammond]
A person's appearance immediately identifies his
personality type.... this is no secret, and once you know
his personalty type you know what his personality clashes
are generally and therefore what his attitudeis likely to be
on most controversial subjects. This is common knowlege and
any flatfoot like Mickey Spillane can tell you all about it.
Don't be naive, society has been discussing this for
thousands of years.... in the old days they used to call the
different personalty types "the gods" and they used to talk
endlessly about the conflicts between "the gods" which of
course was nothing but a euphemistic analysis of personality
clashes in human society. Insteade of Luther they would
have talked euphemistically about "Vulcan" or "Pluto" or
some other representative god.
>
>
>
>G: Do you have a Christmas barbecue at the beach, swimming and surfing, with
>pretty girls in bikinis, in New England?
>I rather doubt it, in your present weather!
>
>
[Hammond]
You're right about that.... I'm buried under 2 1/2 feet
of snow right now. Thank God I'm only a few blocks away
from a McDonald's and a Burger King or I'd probably starve
to death.
>
>
>Conifers can be grown in suitable places in both, Pinus radiata grows well
>here, but these days many people prefer an artificial Christmas tree that
>doesn't drop needles.
>
H: Cape Cod is covered with Pine trees. You could use any
one of the small ones as a Christmas tree in a pinch.
>
>
>Merry Christmas!
>
H: Likewise I'm sure.
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> [Hammond]
>> I'll be the judge of that thank you. In the first place
>> you're not a qualified physicist. In the second place your
>> knowledge of psychology and theology is pretty slim. I
>> happened to be a qualified professional expert in all three
>> fields.
>
>Are you talking to me? Of course I don't know much. I just ask the ignorant
>questions.
>But I think you are replying to somebody else.
>Computers!
> Geopelia
>
>
[Hammond]
I'm dictating this at 120 words a minute without lifting a
finger using Dragon-10. Otherwise I wouldn't even bother to
respond to it if I had to pound a stone age computer with my
fingers.
As I've suggested before people should at least type their
initials or a least one initial at the beginning of their
posts such as G: For Geopelia or H: for harbinger etc.
All professional level e-mail discussion lists use
brackets such as [Hammond] which is where I picked up the
habit.
Not being able to tell who said what in a conversation is
a pain in the neck and so is trying to figure out >, >>,
>>>, >>>>, >>>>> etc.
George Hammond
[Hammond]
Only difference between you and me is I succeeded and you
failed. if you have any logical, analytical or scientific
ability how about posting something on topic? I'm using
voice recognition and I don't have to lift a finger to talk
to you.
George Hammond
<alie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 25, 1:41�pm, Tiger Would <theoreticalfo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:38:12 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
>> > [Hammond]
>> > � �Well that's nothing but anecdotal evidence.
>> > Hallucinogenic drugs will do exactly the same thing.
>>
>> I've taken LSD hundreds of times and walked in an alternate reality yet
>> always returned to my normal boring self.
> Mark L. Fergerson
>
>
[Hammond]
Yaah I took all kinds of shit back in the late 60s in
California when it was a hippie and didn't know any better.
You know the amazing thing about LSD is that you're only
talking about ingesting micrograms whereas with most drugs
you're talk about milligrams.
What I now realize is that some of these drugs in very
minute quantities can affect the polymerization and
depolymerization of the microtubules in the neurons of the
brain. Tthank Christ they apparently sort of act like
anesthetics and the action is totally reversible. But I'll
bet there are drugs out there that aren't reversible. Now,
40 years later, I realized how dangerous all that bullshit
was and how lucky we were to have survived it.
Don Stockbauer
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:09:54 -0800 (PST), "n...@bid.nes"
> Mirror site
> http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
Counterpunctus:
God and the Universe are identical concepts.
George Hammond
>
>To GH...you are representative of many who have come befor you, by
>trying to diuscect tissue to find life. I think the whole of Zen was
>written for people like you....Im not knocking you btw. I have no
>doubt in your sincerity.
>
>BOfL
>
>
[Hammond]
Well Boffle, I wish we could spend more time talking about
competence rather than sincerity. Sincerity is cheap,
competences expensive.
If I remember correctly you are either a PhD student in
theoretical physics or post doc or something. Correct me if
I am wrong.
Assuming you are a physics postdoc that probably means
that you don't know a heck of a lot about biology. As an MS
in physics the same goes for me. But as any physicist knows
biology is mainly postage stamp collecting compared to
mathematical physics.
Having said that, have you ever had occasion to actually
go and look at how muscles contract? Do you realize there
are little things called "motor molecules" that actually
have two legs and literally "walk along" these microtubules
were talking about. And in the case of muscles they work in
unison like galley slaves rowing one microtubule pasts
another causing the entire muscle cell to contract. For
Christ sakes Boffle, who would have imagined that such a
thing was possible. These molecules by the way have a
molecular weight in the hundreds of thousands of Daltons!
They are apparently proteins that can "walk" on two legs by
changing their conformation!
And another thing Boffle, as you know there has been an
explosion in scientific manpower in the past 40 years, we
must have 10 times the number of scientists now that we had
40 years ago. This means that when something new is detected
there is an army of scientific manpower ready to leap on it
with both feet.
The latest thing is, that they have discovered that these
microtubules are hollow and the dimers in the walls switch
between two different confirmations at microwave frequencies
(Frohlich's frequency). They now believe that this causes
something called "superradiance" in the interior of the
microtubule and optical signals can be transmitted without
any loss over large distances. By the way you'll never
guess who was the first one to discover and publish a theory
of "superradiace" in water: physicist Robert H. Dicke
himself then at Princeton in 1954!
Anyway, Stuart Hameroff met with Sir Roger Penrose in
1994 and Penrose became convinced along with Hameroff that
these microtubules are switching dimer computers optically
interconnected by massless bosons (e.g. optical photons).
Meanwhile another physics genius, Prof. Frank Tipler at
Tulane Published a celebrated book in1994 in which he
pointed out that a large enough computer could actually
resurrect a person to eternal life in virtual reality
(cyberspace) inside the computer. Of course he pointed out
that it would take an astronomically large computer to do
so.
But meanwhile, Penrose and Hameroff have already
discovered that there is a gigantic microtubule computer
already in the brain and that it has the advantage of having
the whole cytoskeleton of the actual real human body built
right into it, so that the size of the necessary computer
is reduced by a double exponential sized factor!
What I'm telling you as one physicist to another is that
the scientific possibility of an actual literal life after
death in "virtual reality" inside the microtubule computer
is a DISTINCT scientific possibility!
How about a competent comment about that rather than
merely a sincere comment?
Inertial
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:09:54 -0800 (PST), "nu...@bid.nes"
> <alie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 25, 1:41 pm, Tiger Would <theoreticalfo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:38:12 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
>>> > [Hammond]
>>> > Well that's nothing but anecdotal evidence.
>>> > Hallucinogenic drugs will do exactly the same thing.
>>>
>>> I've taken LSD hundreds of times and walked in an alternate reality yet
>>> always returned to my normal boring self.
>> Mark L. Fergerson
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> Yaah I took all kinds of shit back in the late 60s in
> California when it was a hippie and didn't know any better.
> You know the amazing thing about LSD is that you're only
> talking about ingesting micrograms whereas with most drugs
> you're talk about milligrams.
> What I now realize is that some of these drugs in very
> minute quantities can affect the polymerization and
> depolymerization of the microtubules in the neurons of the
> brain. Tthank Christ they apparently sort of act like
> anesthetics and the action is totally reversible. But I'll
> bet there are drugs out there that aren't reversible. Now,
> 40 years later, I realized how dangerous all that bullshit
> was and how lucky we were to have survived it.
Shame you lost your sanity along the way
eric gisse
[...]
> What I now realize is that some of these drugs in very
> minute quantities can affect the polymerization and
> depolymerization of the microtubules in the neurons of the
> brain. Tthank Christ they apparently sort of act like
> anesthetics and the action is totally reversible. But I'll
> bet there are drugs out there that aren't reversible. Now,
> 40 years later, I realized how dangerous all that bullshit
> was and how lucky we were to have survived it.
I'm sure your the multiple times you have been institutionalized over the
years is unrelated to your drug use!
[...]
George Hammond
<don.sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>God and the Universe are identical concepts.
>
>
[Hammond]
No they are not because God is a three letter word and
Universe is an 8 letter word so obviously they are not
identical.
========================================
GEORGE HAMMOND'S PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
Primary site
http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond
Mirror site
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
Zinnic
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:49:45 -0800 (PST),
>
George, you guys are being "dazzled" by becoming aware of how is 'old-
hat' biological science can be recruited into supporting metaphysical
speculation. The walking (ratcheting) action of muscle proteins has
long been extant in biology text books, whilst conformational changes
and mutual covalent modifications of interacting proteins in
microtubules and other structures has been established for years.
As a biochemist I am delighted that physicist and mystics now marvel
at the 'miracles' of life revealed by research in chemistry and
biology but find it ridiculous that physicists/mystics without
biological expertise now feel competent to extend demonstrated
biological mechanisms into unexplored quantum areas.
It is only a question of time before nuerosciences demonstrate that
mental function is explicable in terms of non-quantum chemistry and
physiology.
Zinnic
alien8er
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:09:54 -0800 (PST), "n...@bid.nes"
>
> <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 25, 1:41 pm, Tiger Would <theoreticalfo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:38:12 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
> >> > [Hammond]
> >> > Well that's nothing but anecdotal evidence.
> >> > Hallucinogenic drugs will do exactly the same thing.
>
> >> I've taken LSD hundreds of times and walked in an alternate reality yet
> >> always returned to my normal boring self.
> > Mark L. Fergerson
>
> [Hammond]
> Yaah I took all kinds of shit back in the late 60s in
> California when it was a hippie and didn't know any better.
I never bothered with the then-popular barbiturates you and I
remember as "reds". I already knew how to sleep. ;>)
I never bothered with "whites" either, as I was already
satisfactorily self-medicating my hyperactivity with coffee and pot.
One experience with "chocolate mescaline" convinced me to avoid it
thereafter; eventually I got to try the real deal, peyote. That was
much better.
> You know the amazing thing about LSD is that you're only
> talking about ingesting micrograms whereas with most drugs
> you're talk about milligrams.
Indeed. OTOH the same is true of its chemical relatives like MDMA
which shouldn't be surprising. Do you have a reference for the total
load in the brain of a given neurotransmitter under "normal"
conditions?
> What I now realize is that some of these drugs in very
> minute quantities can affect the polymerization and
> depolymerization of the microtubules in the neurons of the
> brain.
Yep, see:
http://researchlsd.blogspot.com/search/label/microtubules
"In 1990, A.E. Van Woerkom suggested that hallucinogens disrupt the
cytoskeleton. He noted the similarities between mescaline, LSD, and
the microtubule inhibitors colchicine and vincristine. Colchicine and
vincristine are used in cancer chemotherapy because they disrupt
microtubules, thus weakening the cytoskeleton of cancer cells.
"Like LSD, the microtubule toxin vincristine allegedly causes not-
unpleasant visual hallucinations in humans. Other side-effects of
vincristine include depression, agitation, and insomnia. Very small
doses are needed for the effects of LSD or vincristine, for example,
these drugs are active at concentrations of 4.3E-7 M-1 vincristine and
1.0E-8 M-1 LSD."
The article goes on to thoroughly trash the neurotransmitter
receptor interference theory most seem to accept. I don't mind, I
never liked it anyway.
Yet it seems to me that the direct physical interaction of a few
molecules with a few microtubules can't explain the huge effect on the
entire cytoskeletons of so many cells.
Another article on that page mentions the large ESR signal of
tubulin (due to its semiconductive properties!); IMO it is not
unreasonable that the presence of a very few LSD (or related)
molecules can affect the quantum communications among disparate
elements of the cytoskeleton of one cell, or many cells through
possibly its IR vibrational frequencies interfering with those of
tubulin.
(OTOH it might be as simple as the shape of the molecules making
them preferentially bind to microtubule junctions, thus sharing its
effect among many of them.)
George, you have been ragged as a crackpot for a while without being
dissuaded, so perhaps you can objectively consider this; what are the
possibilities for longer-range interactions between microtubules?
Without going into a lot of detail, I'm considering such as a basis
for a physical explanation of such phenomena as so-called telepathy,
empathy, and the Backster effect. The last is not as nebulous as the
others; it's well documented and otherwise completely without
explanation at this time.
> Tthank Christ they apparently sort of act like
> anesthetics and the action is totally reversible. But I'll
> bet there are drugs out there that aren't reversible. Now,
> 40 years later, I realized how dangerous all that bullshit
> was and how lucky we were to have survived it.
MDMA AKA Ecstasy does have irreversible effects if taken for a long
time; evidently it so strongly blocks serotonin uptake that the type
of neurons that produce serotonin die off and are not replaced:
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro98/202s98-paper3/Frederickson3.html
There are other chemical relatives of LSD out there that have
similar, if not worse deleterious side-effects.
The current generation of casual drug users will not fare as well as
we did, I'm afraid.
Mark L. Fergerson
George Hammond
[Hammond]
I've got news for you, you overprivileged stuffshirt.
Turns out that while we physicists were out on the front
lines killing ourselves looking for the fronteirs of
scientific knowledge, you bunch of horses asses were sitting
in laboratories getting overpaid playing with your
"scientific toys" and failing to recognize them for what
they are. Too busy with your "highly paid titillating hobby"
driving around in $40,000 SUVs and living in million-dollar
homes to recognize the true scientific import of your
"scientific playthings". You, Darwin, and every line
professional biologist who's ever come down the pike...
including especially jackasses like Richard Dawkins. And
I'd throw in biochemists for good measure.
Unfortunately for you true scientist like Froehlich,
Hameroff and others have appeared on the scene and caught
you red-handed idly smug and derelict in your
responsibilities.
Penrose was the one I caught you all with your pants
down. And believe me the entire physics department is now
breathing down your necks.
And were not about to listen to anymore stuffshirt
naysaying from line professional blockheads like you.
>
>
>
>It is only a question of time before nuerosciences demonstrate that
>mental function is explicable in terms of non-quantum chemistry and
>physiology.
>Zinnic
>
>
[Hammond]
That's a bunch of impudent backtalk. Frohlich's
frequency is a quantum phenomenon. Tubulin switching speeds
are in the microwave to optical region which is quantum
territory. One of the world's most famous physicists Robert
H. Dicke of Princeton himself discovered superradiance in
water, in this case the water inside of microtubules. The
world has had enough of smug overpaid naysayers like you in
biology, and guys like Frohlich, Dicke, Penrose and
Hameroff have had enough of bigshot biologists like Darwin
and Dawkins walking around shooting their mouths off while
the entire world balances on the edge of catastrophe.
Guys like you aren't going to stand in the way much
longer. Dawkins is walking around publishing books like the
_ God Delusion_ and making a fortune doing it while Physics
has actually succeeded in publishing the world's first
rigorous scientific proof of the existence of God and can't
even get it published in a leading journal. And now Physics
is hot on the trail of life after death with the discovery
of a plausible scientific mechanism, for Christ sakes.
No we've heard enough smug backtalk from over paid line
professional stuff shirts like you. The party's over for
you, just like it's over for Wall Street, and just like it's
over for the Republican Party... guess what, a dedicated and
long suffering humanity is about to start cleaning house and
you'll be one of the first people they'll be taking a hard
look at unless I miss my guess.
George Hammond
[Hammond]
Hey listen asshole, from the looks of your mug shots on
the Internet you're about one step from a mental Hospital
yourself. If I were you I wouldn't be trying to start
something by heckling a high profile person like me.
Ace0f_5pades
My original context 4 break silence didn't need your imput.
no did I consider it for your benefit;
I wouldn't even know what is the condition of your grass
Geopelia
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:26:03 +1300, "Geopelia"
> <phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> [Hammond]
>>> Are you kidding madam? Martin Luther was a rabid
>>> anti-semite who wrote notorious tracts encouraging people to
>>> kill Jews and burn down their houses. In his early career
>>> he tried to convert the Jews to Christianity and when they
>>> fail to convert he went into a fit of rage and decided that
>>> they should all be killed.
>>
>>G: In his day most of Europe was anti-semitic.
>>Luther was a monk, and would have followed the church's views.
>>(Jews aren't the only Semitic race. Arabs are, too. Now that is food for
>>thought, today!)
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> Well I'm sorry but a well known and identified person
> like me is not about to engage in a debate about common
> knowlege political matters with pseudoananymous Usenet
> posters. It's off topic and there's really no point in it.
Fair enough, we'll leave Luther out of it.
I'm not really anonymous, people can easily find me.
Geopelia
>>
>>
>>>H: The Lutheran Church has publicly apologized a number of
>>> times for Martin Luther's anti-Semitic writings. For Christ
>>> sake, don't you know anything about personality types? All
>>> you had to do was take one look at him to realize that he
>>> was a typical anti-Semitic psychotic.
>>
>>G: What does a person's appearance have to do with their views on race or
>>religion, unless they are tattooed with swastikas or something?
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> A person's appearance immediately identifies his
> personality type.... this is no secret, and once you know
> his personalty type you know what his personality clashes
> are generally and therefore what his attitudeis likely to be
> on most controversial subjects. This is common knowlege and
> any flatfoot like Mickey Spillane can tell you all about it.
> Don't be naive, society has been discussing this for
> thousands of years.... in the old days they used to call the
> different personalty types "the gods" and they used to talk
> endlessly about the conflicts between "the gods" which of
> course was nothing but a euphemistic analysis of personality
> clashes in human society. Insteade of Luther they would
> have talked euphemistically about "Vulcan" or "Pluto" or
> some other representative god.
Vulcan was lame, so easily recognisable.
Mark
> Half way down the page under MICROTUBULE FORMATION you will
> find the following statement:
>
> "Dynamic instability: George Hammond is a fukktard.
Oooooooookay.
--
Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
My website http://www.hosanna1.com/
George Hammond
<alie...@gmail.com> wrote:
.
>
>> You know the amazing thing about LSD is that you're only
>> talking about ingesting micrograms whereas with most drugs
>> you're talk about milligrams.
>> � �What I now realize is that some of these drugs in very
>> minute quantities can affect the �polymerization and
>> depolymerization of the microtubules in the neurons of the
>> brain.
>
> Yep, see:
>
>http://researchlsd.blogspot.com/search/label/microtubules
>
> "In 1990, A.E. Van Woerkom suggested that hallucinogens disrupt the
>cytoskeleton. He noted the similarities between mescaline, LSD, and
>the microtubule inhibitors colchicine and vincristine. Colchicine and
>vincristine are used in cancer chemotherapy because they disrupt
>microtubules, thus weakening the cytoskeleton of cancer cells.
>
>
[Hammond]
Yeah there is very little doubt about it, I remember when
Timothy Leary discovered LSD the whole West Coast was
convinced that they discovered a direct biological
connection to God.
You know I've read papers written by Timothy Leary when
he was at Harvard on factor analysis in personality
psychometry. he was studying the big five model etc. when
he discovered LSD.
>
>
> Yet it seems to me that the direct physical interaction of a few
>molecules with a few microtubules can't explain the huge effect on the
>entire cytoskeletons of so many cells.
>
>
[Hammond]
According to Hameroff there is very little doubt now that
all of the neurons are connected by microwave/optical "gap
junctions", that indeed the entire brain is probably
microwave waveguide connected by the microtubule system.
>
>
> Another article on that page mentions the large ESR signal of
>tubulin (due to its semiconductive properties!); IMO it is not
>unreasonable that the presence of a very few LSD (or related)
>molecules can affect the quantum communications among disparate
>elements of the cytoskeleton of one cell, or many cells through
>possibly its IR vibrational frequencies interfering with those of
>tubulin.
>
>
[Hammond]
Cripes, I've read hundreds of papers by physics-biology
researchers positing microwave/infrared/optical transmission
using superradiance inside the microtubules.
The powerful direct evidence for this is that gamma-EEG (
coherent 40 Hz) is in fact exactly what phase-coherent (
synchronized) across vast regions of the brain. that simply
CANNOT be accomplished by axonal firing.... it has to be
speed of light transmission inside the microtubules that is
synchronizing it.
>
>
>
> (OTOH it might be as simple as the shape of the molecules making
>them preferentially bind to microtubule junctions, thus sharing its
>effect among many of them.)
>
>
GH: Uh huh!
>
>
> George, you have been ragged as a crackpot for a while without being
>dissuaded,
>
>
[Hammond]
Most of the posters on USENET are crack pots and unless
they're publishing their criticisms in the peer-reviewed
literature is absolutely meaningless.
Naturally all of my stuff has been published in the
peer-reviewed academic literature.
>
>
> so perhaps you can objectively consider this; what are the
>possibilities for longer-range interactions between microtubules?
>Without going into a lot of detail, I'm considering such as a basis
>for a physical explanation of such phenomena as so-called telepathy,
>empathy, and the Backster effect. The last is not as nebulous as the
>others; it's well documented and otherwise completely without
>explanation at this time.
>
>
>
[Hammond]
Like I said above, powerful direct evidence for this is
that gamma-EEG ( coherent 40 Hz) is in fact exactly what
phase-coherent ( synchronized) across vast regions of the
brain. that simply CANNOT be accomplished by axonal
firing.... it has to be speed of light transmission inside
the microtubules that is synchronizing it.
>
>
>
> Mark L. Fergerson
>
>
[Hammond]
If you notice anything relevant or interesting about
microtubule communication in the brain be sure and let me
know.
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>"George Hammond" <Nowh...@notspam.com> wrote in message
>news:7o2bj59qm6tng7pfb...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>G: What does a person's appearance have to do with their views on race or
>>>religion, unless they are tattooed with swastikas or something?
>>>
>>>
>> [Hammond]
>> A person's appearance immediately identifies his
>> personality type.... this is no secret, and once you know
>> his personalty type you know what his personality clashes
>> are generally and therefore what his attitudeis likely to be
>> on most controversial subjects. This is common knowlege and
>> any flatfoot like Mickey Spillane can tell you all about it.
>> Don't be naive, society has been discussing this for
>> thousands of years.... in the old days they used to call the
>> different personalty types "the gods" and they used to talk
>> endlessly about the conflicts between "the gods" which of
>> course was nothing but a euphemistic analysis of personality
>> clashes in human society. Insteade of Luther they would
>> have talked euphemistically about "Vulcan" or "Pluto" or
>> some other representative god.
>
>Vulcan was lame, so easily recognisable.
>>>
>>>
GH: Is that a fact I never knew that. Well then maybe
Luther is better characterized as Pluto. Pluto as you may
remember ruled the underworld (Tartarus or Hades).
George Hammond
<blueri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:06:24 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
>
>> Half way down the page under MICROTUBULE FORMATION you will
>> find the following statement:
>>
>> "Dynamic instability: George Hammond is a fukktard.
>
>Oooooooookay.
>
>
[Hammond]
My intuition is that memory is "hardwired" at the level
of the dendritic synapse. But of course it is microtubule
growth that CAUSES the synaptic hardwiring, and the
microtubule system is therefore privy to all neuronally
stored memories.
On the other hand, it is possible to completely stabilize
a microtubule against depolymerization by putting a ADP On
the end of it. So who knows, there may be some long term
memory storage at the microtubule level also, but it is not
required for my hypothesis.
Mark
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:08:31 -0500, Mark
> <blueri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:06:24 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
>>
>>> Half way down the page under MICROTUBULE FORMATION you will
>>> find the following statement:
>>>
>>> "Dynamic instability: George Hammond is a fukktard.
>>
>>Oooooooookay.
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> My intuition is that memory is "hardwired" at the level
> of the dendritic synapse. But of course it is microtubule
> growth that CAUSES the synaptic hardwiring, and the
> microtubule system is therefore privy to all neuronally
> stored memories.
> On the other hand, it is possible to completely stabilize
> a microtubule against depolymerization by putting a ADP On
> the end of it. So who knows, there may be some long term
> memory storage at the microtubule level also, but it is not
> required for my hypothesis.
oooooooooooookay, you're a *complete* fukktard.
Andre Lieven
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:28:23 -0800, George Hammond
> <Nowh...@notspam.com> shat out:
>
> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>
> Copyright: George Hammond 2009
>
> As I've said many times before my best estimate of the
> probability of life after death is only about 30%.
"That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed
without evidence." Christopher Hitchens.
Since you have shown that you have nothing supported by
any facts or evidence, it is a total wanking waste of time.
Andre
Tiger Would
> On Dec 25, 1:41�pm, Tiger Would <theoreticalfo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:38:12 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
>>> [Hammond]
>>> � �Well that's nothing but anecdotal evidence.
>>> Hallucinogenic drugs will do exactly the same thing.
>>
>> I've taken LSD hundreds of times and walked in an alternate reality yet
>> always returned to my normal boring self. I've been trying to tie God
>> and Science together all my life.
>
> I've taken LSD hundreds of times as well,
Liar. I can tell by your post that you are
I know from my work at MIT on the Jupiter
speech synthesis engines
--
tiger
Tiger Would
> [Hammond]
> Well Boffle, I wish we could spend more time talking about
> competence rather than sincerity. Sincerity is cheap,
> competences expensive.
Fraudulence doesn't work for me. Conscience,
my favorite science
--
tiger
Tiger Would
> It is only a question of time before nuerosciences demonstrate that
> mental function is explicable in terms of non-quantum chemistry and
> physiology.
> Zinnic
If a beehive is agitated, you'll have a mess on
your hands. You're probably gonna get stung, so
call in the professionals. They dress in white
and methodically approach the hive. Then, they
blow smoke up the bees ass, which calms them down.
Now you can handle the situation. This is how mental
health works.
--
tiger
George Hammond
<blueri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:28:32 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:08:31 -0500, Mark
>> <blueri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:06:24 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
>>>
>>>> Half way down the page under MICROTUBULE FORMATION you will
>>>> find the following statement:
>>>>
>>>> "Dynamic instability: George Hammond is a fukktard.
>>>
>>>Oooooooookay.
>>>
>>>
>> [Hammond]
>> My intuition is that memory is "hardwired" at the level
>> of the dendritic synapse. But of course it is microtubule
>> growth that CAUSES the synaptic hardwiring, and the
>> microtubule system is therefore privy to all neuronally
>> stored memories.
>> On the other hand, it is possible to completely stabilize
>> a microtubule against depolymerization by putting a ADP On
>> the end of it. So who knows, there may be some long term
>> memory storage at the microtubule level also, but it is not
>> required for my hypothesis.
>
>oooooooooooookay, you're a *complete* fukktard.
>Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
>scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
>And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
>My website http://www.hosanna1.com/
>
>
[Hammond]
No. you're just stoooooooooooooopid. I suggest you go
back to playing with your airplane and golf clubs like the
dimwit you are and stop bothering serious scientists like me
with your jackass halfwit nonsense.
Matthew L. Martin
I suggest you go
> back to playing with your airplane and golf clubs like the
> dimwit you are and stop bothering serious scientists like me
Like who?
Please?
You aren't a scientist. You have yet to follow the scientific method in
you "research". Please google "Scientific Method" and read and understand.
Matthew (what a maroon!)
--
I have two and 1/3 granddaughters:
Alex will find a way to silently get from where she is to where she
wants to be.
Anna will make an Anna sized hole between where she is to where she
wants to be.
George Hammond
<not...@notnow.never> wrote:
>George Hammond wrote:
> I suggest you go
>> back to playing with your airplane and golf clubs like the
>> dimwit you are and stop bothering serious scientists like me
>
>Like who?
>
>Please?
>
>You aren't a scientist. You have yet to follow the scientific method in
>you "research". Please google "Scientific Method" and read and understand.
>
>Matthew
>
>
[Hammond]
Get otta here moooooooooron!
CURRICULUM VITAE
GEORGE HAMMOND
B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU
Peer reviewed publications:
Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
Pergamon Press. Online copy of peer/published
paper is posted at:
http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond/cart.html
Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond/Hammond5s1.html
Matthew L. Martin
As I said, google "scientific method", you will learn something.
Matthew (if you can)
eric gisse
> X-No-Archive: Yes
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:01:28 -0500
Wouldn't it just be easier to ignore people who make fun of you rather than
flip your shit and do this 'snip heckler' nonsense?
Small wonder you've been institutionalized.
Geopelia
Geopelia
Here's one version of Venus, Mars and Vulcan, complete with picture.
Tintoretto also painted the story.
http://www.getty.edu/art/gettyguide/artObjectDetails?artobj=834&handle=li
I never thought of Luther as Pluto. Perhaps Mercury? Or Loki, in the Norse
myth.
If I had to be a goddess I'd pick Athena. (Minerva).
Alan Ford
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
[Hammond]
That's pretty cute. I don't think Luther was Mars
however.
>
>
>I never thought of Luther as Pluto. Perhaps Mercury? Or Loki, in the Norse
>myth.
>
[Hammond]
Na, Mercury is the fleet footed hero of the robust
working class.
Here's a statue of Pluto. Note the vee'd eyebrows and the
classic psycho-scowl. Notice the trident pitchfork....
yep.... Pluto is out boy.... ruler of the underworld.....
that was Luther who would later become the darling of the
Nazi party under Hitler.
>
>
>If I had to be a goddess I'd pick Athena. (Minerva).
>
>
[Hammond]
The Greco-Roman gods are a little too heroic for my
taste. I prefer the Egypytian Dodekatheon. I would be
Thoth if I had my druthers:
http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0312390/thoth.1.jpg
he looks like the true god of scholars to me!
George Hammond
<Nowh...@notspam.com> wrote:
[Hammond]
Oops, forgot the statue of Pluto:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nymphenburg-Statue-3c.jpg
Geopelia
(Geopelia)
The trident was usually carried by Neptune (Poseidon).
>>
>>
>>If I had to be a goddess I'd pick Athena. (Minerva).
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> The Greco-Roman gods are a little too heroic for my
> taste. I prefer the Egypytian Dodekatheon. I would be
> Thoth if I had my druthers:
>
> http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0312390/thoth.1.jpg
>
> he looks like the true god of scholars to me!
(Geopelia)
A scribe, in the days when most people were illiterate.
I suppose a female would be Isis. Her cult was popular in later Rome, too.
Remember "The Golden Ass" by Apuleius?
Some of her worship was taken over for Mary, "Star of the Sea" etc.
Doctroid
<scorefileheckler-C4...@news.individual.net>,
x x <scorefil...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
> --
> Sig available on request.
>
> - Doctroid
Damn.
--
Sig available on request.
- Doctroid
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
[Hammond]
Of the sons of the Titans; Apollo ruled the skys, Poseidon
ruled the deep and Pluto ruled the Underworld.
The Devil alwas carries a pitchfork.
>>>
>>>
>>>If I had to be a goddess I'd pick Athena. (Minerva).
>>>
>>>
>> [Hammond]
>> The Greco-Roman gods are a little too heroic for my
>> taste. I prefer the Egypytian Dodekatheon. I would be
>> Thoth if I had my druthers:
>>
>> http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0312390/thoth.1.jpg
>>
>> he looks like the true god of scholars to me!
>
>(Geopelia)
>A scribe, in the days when most people were illiterate.
>
[Hammond]
Na, Thoth was the judge at the weighing of the heart at
the Egyptian Last Judgement. Thoth was the god of Wisdom.
>
>
>I suppose a female would be Isis. Her cult was popular in later Rome, too.
>Remember "The Golden Ass" by Apuleius?
>
[Hammond]
And we must revere the "Apis Bull" of course as well as
the "Golden Calf" aa well as the "Golden Ass"
........YAWN....!!!
>
>
>Some of her worship was taken over for Mary, "Star of the Sea" etc.
>
[hammond]
Ja, ja, ja, ja.... Psychiatrist sit around and try to
analyze peoples personaities..... and they are so uneducated
and stupid they aren't even aware that the public has been
doing so for 5,000 years, they don't even know that the
"gods" are a PUBLIC PERSONALITY MODEL!
But ignoraqnce and lip flapping by ignoramii goes on
eternally.... even more so now with the Internet where the
ignoramii can talk endlessly about their wannabee
egotistical importance.
Meanwhile a powerful and competent physicist like myself
has actually discovered the SCIENTIFIC ORIGIN of the gods...
the fact that the brain has CUBIC CLEAVAGE and since there
are 13-symmetry axes is a cube they cause 13-eigenvectors in
every Psychometry correlation matrix and THAT IS WHERE THE
OLYMPIAN GODS COME FROM.
I've actually published that discovery in the
peer-reviewed academic literature, 1994, 2003.
....................................YAWN.........
Mark
>>> On the other hand, it is possible to completely stabilize
>>> a microtubule against depolymerization by putting a ADP On
>>> the end of it. So who knows, there may be some long term
>>> memory storage at the microtubule level also, but it is not
>>> required for my hypothesis.
>>
>>oooooooooooookay, you're a *complete* fukktard.
>
>>Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/
>>scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane.
>>And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine.
>>My website http://www.hosanna1.com/
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> No. you're just stoooooooooooooopid. I suggest you go
> back to playing with your airplane and golf clubs like the
> dimwit you are and stop bothering serious scientists like me
> with your jackass halfwit nonsense.
Ooooooooooookay, you're a mentally incapable fukktard.
--
Richard Steinfeld
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:41:50 -0500, Tiger Would
> <theoreti...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:38:12 -0800, George Hammond wrote:
>>
>>> [Hammond]
>>> Well that's nothing but anecdotal evidence.
>>> Hallucinogenic drugs will do exactly the same thing.
>>
>>I've taken LSD hundreds of times and walked in an alternate reality yet
>>always returned to my normal boring self. I've been trying to tie God
>>and Science together all my life.
>>
> [Hammond]
> Only difference between you and me is I succeeded and you
> failed. if you have any logical, analytical or scientific
> ability how about posting something on topic? I'm using
> voice recognition and I don't have to lift a finger to talk
> to you.
Hey, that means you can play with your dick and post to Usenet.
Waaaaaaay kewl.
*LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL*
Geopelia
OK, I'll be Anubis and wait to eat the heart!
Geopelia
(Geopelia)
How can you have 13 symmetry axes in a cube? Everything in a cube seems to
go in even numbers, six sides etc.
But the proof would be way above my head anyway.
Geopelia
(Geopelia)
The Golden Ass wasn't an idol!
If you are broadminded, "Lector, intende: laetaberis" as Apuleius says.
alie...@gmail.com
> On Dec 26, 9:54 pm, alien8er <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My original context 4 break silence didn't need your imput.
I replied to "Tiger Would". How many nyms you got, anyway?
> no did I consider it for your benefit;
I cannot imagine a single reason I should take seriously the
opinions of those who believe they "walked in alternate realities"
during acid trips.
> I wouldn't even know what is the condition of your grass
Spectacular non sequitur.
Mark L. Fergerson
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
[Hammond]
Well I'm definitely Thoth the "messenger of the gods" as
it were which you can tell from my posts.
Anubis was the protector of the dead and the Guardian of
tombs. It was the chimerical monster Ammit which devoured
the heart of the evil doers at the last judgment, not
Anubis.
[Hammond]
You don't need any proof, you can draw it with paper and
pencil. There are 13 of them all right. You can see a
picture of them here taken right out of the Encyclopedia
Britannica:
http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/35500/35520/axes_35520.htm
If you count them, you'll find that thereares exactly 13.
Believe it or not, if you take 200 adjectives out of a
dictionary that are used to describe human personality, and
give them as a checklist to use to describe a given person's
personality; rating them on each word from 1 to 10, and then
compute a 200 x 200 correlation matrix of the words it turns
out that a computer will find that there are ore EXACTLY 13
EIGENVECTORS in that 200 x 200 correlation matrix.
Amazingly, the reason for this is that the brain is
actually CUBIC which you can see in this diagram here, which
was drawn by me:
http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond/5X7C01I.jpg
This is exactly where the 12 OLYMPIAN GODS (13 actually)
come from!
And anyone who does not believe that that is a stunning
scientific discovery must have a hole in his head!
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
[Hammond]
Maybe "golden ass" wasn't an idol in ancient times, but it
sure is nowadays.
>
>
>If you are broadminded, "Lector, intende: laetaberis" as Apuleius says.
>
[Hammond]
I only have available a dimestore Latin to English
translator program and it won't translate that one, it must
be idiomatic usage or something.
I can't read Latin, don't play the piano either. spent my
time learning theoretical of physics and find it much more
useful.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>
> Copyright: George Hammond 2009
>
> As I've said many times before my best estimate of the
> probability of life after death is only about 30%.
What sort of measurement or analysis do you base that 30% on?
Why not 3%? Or 3ppm?
--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:Pa...@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
Great minds discuss ideas,
average minds discuss events,
small minds discuss people.
Geopelia
I make it 6 of a, 8 of p, 12 of d
Do you count the point in the middle with d to get the 13?
Geopelia
Thanks, I see I'll have to look into Egyptian religion more closely.
(Geopelia)
Geopelia
I trust you mean the donkey!
>>
>>
>>If you are broadminded, "Lector, intende: laetaberis" as Apuleius says.
>>
> [Hammond]
> I only have available a dimestore Latin to English
> translator program and it won't translate that one, it must
> be idiomatic usage or something.
> I can't read Latin, don't play the piano either. spent my
> time learning theoretical of physics and find it much more
> useful.
It means something like 'Pay attention reader, you'll enjoy yourself" and
he's quite right.
Of course you need an modern English translation.
Some people consider it pornographic, but really it's a very moral story,
and a very funny one.
A man finds himself in a terrible predicament through stupidity and lust,
and is saved by faith in his goddess Isis.
(Apuleius himself was a follower of Isis.)
Geopelia
Thank you, I'll look up Ammit
6 a, 12 d, 8 p. Should I count the point in the middle with d? or have I
miscounted them?
eric gisse
> X-No-Archive: Yes
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:39:27 -0800
I wonder what the point of this is, since it accomplishes nothing other than
reminding people YOU ARE INSANE.
George Hammond
<pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
>George Hammond wrote:
>>
>> CAUTIONARY NOTE ON THE AFTERLIFE
>>
>> Copyright: George Hammond 2009
>>
>> As I've said many times before my best estimate of the
>> probability of life after death is only about 30%.
>
>What sort of measurement or analysis do you base that 30% on?
>
>Why not 3%? Or 3ppm?
>
>
[Hammond]
Excellent question. Naturally I will immediately answer
any on topic serious and competent inquiry.
Unfortunately, I have to spend most of my time beating
back a horde of nonprofessional and anti-intellectual
hecklers, not to mention not a few atheistic and outraged
scientists.
The answer to your question is that the actual numerical
probability that I have assigned is based upon a balanced
weighing of the various lines of evidence involved.
Bear in mind that I have been studying the matter for
nearly 30 years, full time, and have in fact published a
major discovery in Psychology (the discovery of the
long-sought for Structural Model of Personality) and have
also discovered and published the world's first bona fide
scientific proof of God.
I only mention all that in order to establish my
credentials in the fields of Psychology and Theology. As
far as Physics goes my credentials are established by the
normal Curriculum Vitae which shows that I have a Masters
degree in Physics.
Okay, having established my credentials in the various
fields which bear on the determining of this probability I
can sum up the situation briefly as this:
1. Historically, the theory of life after death is at
least as old as the Pyramids upon whose walls details
of it remain engraved in miles of carefully chiseled
hieroglyphics where they can be seen to this day.
Furthermore, a psychological and theological
investigation of this long history shows unequivocally
that the root origin of the idea is intimately connected
with the universal human experience of the ordinary
nocturnal dream.
In short, the only reason why the theory appears
plausible enough to have survivedfor 5000 years is that
people are strongly persuaded that the phenomenon of
nocturnal dreaming is significant evidence of something
as yet not fully explained.
This latter fact then tells me as an experienced
physicist and now accomplished psychologist and
theologian that the odds-on probability of their
actually being such a thing MUST lie somewhere in the
low double digits percentagewise. And I would finally
note, that this low double digits opinion appears to be
well inline with average public opinion worldwide.
2. From that assessment of 5000 years of recorded
history on the subject we then move forward into the
scientific argument. And here I am referring
specifically to the cytoskeleton-microtubule-computer
hypothesis. Let's call it the cytoskeleton-brain
hypothesis (CB).
2000 years ago the New Testament writers (St. Paul)
using the scientific language of his day advanced a
rather specific description of how life after death
actually works in I Corinthians chapter 15 vs
35-55. And in what can only be classified now as a
colossal coincidence, it turns out that according to
my investigations (and confirmed by Stuart Hameroff
himself), the CB could very "possibly" resurrect the
body to a "living-virtual-reality" inside the CB, just
exactly as St. Paul described it. St. Paul referred
to it as a "Spiritual body" in the New Testament.
3. Therefore, in my considered opinion, the historical
probability, which I assume to be no more than say
15% judging from historical, public and professional
opinion, is now raised by virtue of this
cytoskeleton-computer possibility to something more
like a 30% probability. Simply because the
historical belief which obtained at least a 15%
credibility with world opinion, now has a plausible and
indeed even remarkable scientific explanation. In
short, The probability has just been DOUBLED by virtue
of the discovery of a plausible scientific explanation.
As you can see, it's really a scientific guessing
game at this point, a sort of "you bet your life" kind
of guessing game. And my guess is that the probability
of a real life after death is somewhere around 30%.
Now 30% is a long long ways from 51% and even 51%
is a long ways from a sure thing. On the other hand
given the import of the matter, a quite credible
probability of 30% is something that simply cannot be
ignored!
Hope that goes some ways towards answering your question.
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>(Geopelia)
>>>How can you have 13 symmetry axes in a cube? Everything in a cube seems to
>>>go in even numbers, six sides etc.
>>>But the proof would be way above my head anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> [Hammond]
>> You don't need any proof, you can draw it with paper and
>> pencil. There are 13 of them all right. You can see a
>> picture of them here taken right out of the Encyclopedia
>> Britannica:
>>
>> http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/35500/35520/axes_35520.htm
>>
>> If you count them, you'll find that there are exactly 13.
>
>I make it 6 of a, 8 of p, 12 of d
>Do you count the point in the middle with d to get the 13?
>
>
[Hammond]
Congratulations, you got the right answer, 6+8+12=26.
Only problem is you're counting both ends of each axis.
You need to divide by two, 26/2 = 13.
These are called the "rotational" symmetry axes of the
cube. If you rotate the cube, 90� or 120� are 180� around
these various axes the cube rotates back into itself again,
which is why they are called "symmetry axes".
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>>
>> [Hammond]
>> Well I'm definitely Thoth the "messenger of the gods" as
>> it were which you can tell from my posts.
>> Anubis was the protector of the dead and the Guardian of
>> tombs. It was the chimerical monster Ammit which devoured
>> the heart of the evil doers at the last judgment, not
>> Anubis.
>
>Thanks, I see I'll have to look into Egyptian religion more closely.
>(Geopelia)
>>>>>
>>>>>
[Hammond]
I've been studying ancient Egyptology, especially the
ancient Egyptian religion, for nigh onto 30 years.
You have to appreciate that the Jews learned about
religion in Egypt especially monotheism under Akhenaton .
The last book Freud ever wrote was called _ Moses and
Monotheism_ in which he advanced the theory that Moses was
either an Egyptian or half Egyptian and half Jewish, and
that as such he essentially gave the Israelites a
watered-down version of Akhenaton's monotheistic Sun God
religion and then the Jews renamed Aten the supreme deity,
Yahweh, which was the name of a volcano god that they picked
up in Midian on their way back to the promised land .
Geopelia
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:49:44 +1300, "Geopelia"
> <phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>(Geopelia)
>>>>How can you have 13 symmetry axes in a cube? Everything in a cube seems
>>>>to
>>>>go in even numbers, six sides etc.
>>>>But the proof would be way above my head anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> [Hammond]
>>> You don't need any proof, you can draw it with paper and
>>> pencil. There are 13 of them all right. You can see a
>>> picture of them here taken right out of the Encyclopedia
>>> Britannica:
>>>
>>> http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/35500/35520/axes_35520.htm
>>>
>>> If you count them, you'll find that there are exactly 13.
>>
>>I make it 6 of a, 8 of p, 12 of d
>>Do you count the point in the middle with d to get the 13?
>>
>>
> [Hammond]
> Congratulations, you got the right answer, 6+8+12=26.
> Only problem is you're counting both ends of each axis.
> You need to divide by two, 26/2 = 13.
> These are called the "rotational" symmetry axes of the
> cube. If you rotate the cube, 90� or 120� are 180� around
> these various axes the cube rotates back into itself again,
> which is why they are called "symmetry axes".
Thank you, that explains it. I should have counted the lines, not the ends.
Geopelia
(Geopelia)
But would the ancient Greeks have seen an intact human brain at the time
when they first thought of the Olympian Gods?
The Egyptian embalmers used to remove the brain through the nostrils, didn't
they? It wasn't preserved intact in a Canopic jar like other organs. A very
undervalued organ!
Geopelia
(Geopelia)
Isn't it just wishful thinking?
When humans realised that we all die in the end, wouldn't the idea have
arisen that there must be something afterwards? How can all the learning and
experience of a lifetime just be snuffed out? How can those who love never
meet again?
Just about every culture has some theory about life after death. In the old
days, people prayed and sacrificed to the gods. Today we try to find some
scientific proof.
We can only die in hopes of something surviving. My guess is the probability
is nil.
BruceS
> "George Hammond" <Nowhe...@notspam.com> wrote in message
Right; dying is the only way to get the answer. I say, live as if
you'll be held accountable for your actions after you die, but don't
count on it, and don't rush the process. I fully expect death to be
the end of me, but am willing to be surprised. Anyway, who needs life
after death when statistics show us that we have a good chance of
immortality?
(1) out of all the people who have ever been born, a substantial
portion (near 1/2? Too lazy to check) are still alive!
(2) If you correlate death rates with birth year, things look even
better. For young people, anyway.
(3) as stock portfolios are always warning, "past performance is no
guarantee of future results" or something like that. Just because
people in the past have had finite lifetimes doesn't mean *we* will.
(4) Richard Bach wrote a whole lot of stuff about living outside the
limits of space and time. Surely he wouldn't have done all that just
for entertainment purposes, now would he?
I better quit before someone takes this the wrong way and starts a
religion or something. I'm too busy planning my perpetual retirement
fund to pose for any frescoes.
George Hammond
[Hammond]
No, and that is precisely the point about the theory of
life after death and why it won't go away.
There is an undeniable 5000-year-old observational
history of a well-defined scientific possibility that it
could be real.
It is easy to dismiss wishful thinking, it is impossible
to dismiss observational facts, and that is why the theory
won't go away.
These observational facts are as follows:
1. There is an invisible world ( a.k.a. part of reality is
invisible. This can now be actually scientifically
measured to three significant figures.
2. This invisible reality is caused by a deficit in human
growth, specifically in the brain. And this deficit
is intimately connected with a well known
hallucinatory reality known as the nocturnal dream.
3. It is now known that there is an enormous
"cytoskeleton-brain" which is optically interconnected
and could easily read out a lifetime of "real-life
virtual reality" in a split second at the moment of
death. And that this would precisely fit the
Christian theory of the resurrection of the body at
death as outlined in the New Testament in I Corinthians
chapter 15, vs 35-55.
4. Any competent scientist can see that the last futile hope
of an ignoramus to try and classify this as "wishful
thinking" must be ruled out of court.
.
.
>When humans realised that we all die in the end, wouldn't the idea have
>arisen that there must be something afterwards? How can all the learning and
>experience of a lifetime just be snuffed out? How can those who love never
>meet again?
>
>
>
[Hammond]
Without the existence of a plausible scientific
explanation such arguments are nothing but idle
"philawswphy" conjectures.
>
>
>Just about every culture has some theory about life after death. In the old
>days, people prayed and sacrificed to the gods. Today we try to find some
>scientific proof.
>
>
[Hammond]
as I said, that is a historical fact, and I have pointed
out the observational rationale for why that historical fact
exists.
>
>
>We can only die in hopes of something surviving. My guess is the probability
>is nil.
>
>
[Hammond}
Quite frankly Mdm., your "guesswork" is of very little
relevance to the issue.
George Hammond
>(BruceS)
>Right; dying is the only way to get the answer.
>
>
>
[Hammond]
Who told you that? What makes you think so? modern
science proves the existence of things that they can't see
almost every day. There is no reason to think that life
after death is any different.
>
>
> I say, live as if
>you'll be held accountable for your actions after you die, but don't
>count on it, and don't rush the process.
>
>
[Hammond]
Yeah yeah yeah, that's known to history as "Pascal's
Wager" and were all familiar with it.
>
>
>
> I fully expect death to be
>the end of me, but am willing to be surprised. Anyway, who needs life
>after death when statistics show us that we have a good chance of
>immortality?
>
>
[Hammond]
We have no chance of immortality in this life. All of
history proves that. The only known possibility of
immortality is described in the New Testament, and has now
become a scientific possibility. Which is what we are
talking about.
>
>
>
<snip the usual common knowlege recitation>
George Hammond
>G: Thank you, that explains it. I should have counted the lines, not the ends.
>
>
[Hammond]
Now you're cookin! I can't tell you how many great men in
history would have given their eye teeth to know where the
Egypto-Greco-Roman Dodekatheon (pantheon) came from.
Cicero wrote a famous treatise called De Natura Rerum (On
the Nature of the Gods) while Julius Caesar had him
temporarily out of office. In this famous tract he admits
to not knowing what the gods were, where they lived, how
many of them there were or what they did. He apparently was
totally unaware that the "gods" so-called are simply
"personality types", nor did he have any idea of course why
there would be 12 of them (13 actually)... i.e. that they
come from the cubic cleavage geometry of the human brain.
If I ever meet up with Cicero in the great beyond, I am
sure that he will be utterly fascinated to hear the story of
how modern science discovered what the gods are, exactly how
many of them there are, and what the correlational
(geometric) relationship between them actually is.
Alas poor Cicero sick and aging was set upon by some of
Pompey's henchmen while being carried in a litter in a
last-minute halfhearted attempt to escape, and a Roman
soldier unceremoniously lopped off his head. What a loss to
literary posterity for he was such a great writer.
George Hammond
<phil...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>> Amazingly, the reason for this is that the brain is
>> actually CUBIC which you can see in this diagram here, which
>> was drawn by me:
>>
>> http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond/5X7C01I.jpg
>>
>>
>> This is exactly where the 12 OLYMPIAN GODS (13 actually)
>> come from!
>> And anyone who does not believe that that is a stunning
>> scientific discovery must have a hole in his head!
>
>
>(Geopelia)
>But would the ancient Greeks have seen an intact human brain at the time
>when they first thought of the Olympian Gods?
>
>
[Hammond]
According to Herodotus the Greeks didn't dream up the
Dodekatheon, they simply inherited it from the Egyptians and
relabled the Egyptian gods with Greek names. later on the
romans did the same thing and renamed the Greek Dodekatheon
with Latin names. Point is, it all starts with the
Egyptians!
>
>The Egyptian embalmers used to remove the brain through the nostrils, didn't
>they? It wasn't preserved intact in a Canopic jar like other organs. A very
>undervalued organ!
>
[Hammond]
Well, the cubic cleavage of the brain is not immediately
apparent to the untrained eye. For the same reason that the
orthogonal cleavage geometry of an ordinary tree, or any
plant, is not immediately apparent to the untrained eye.
see:
http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond/SEED.jpg
Or even the fact that a common Oakleaf is actually "square"
is not apparent to the untrained eye. see:
http://webspace.webring.com/people/eg/george_hammond/MAPLE.jpg
And yes the Egyptian embalmers did remove the brain
through the nose using a giant crochet hook. Interestingly
they also had small rolled up linen "tampons" which they use
to insert back into the nose of the mummy after the brain
was removed. An entire case of these was discovered in an
ancient mortuary tomb in Egypt not long-ago.