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  Particle physics discussions.
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  <updated>2010-01-07T05:17:02Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>Inertial</name>
  <email>relativ...@rest.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-07T05:17:02Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: A simple Q. but not a simple A,,</title>
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  It doesn&#39;t define what it is .. just how to calculate it &lt;br&gt; Of course motion and momentum are different .. what is the problem with &lt;br&gt; that? &lt;br&gt; Nope &lt;br&gt; A rose by any other name &lt;br&gt; As long as you both understand what is meant by the word &#39;flea&#39; its fine. &lt;br&gt; And the point is, the title you place on the group of laws has NO BEARING AT
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  <email>k...@nventure.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-07T04:21:27Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_thread/thread/91114d0c22a62f9c/cb68256f5bdef051?show_docid=cb68256f5bdef051</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_thread/thread/91114d0c22a62f9c/cb68256f5bdef051?show_docid=cb68256f5bdef051"/>
  <title type="text">Re: A simple Q. but not a simple A,,</title>
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  The original question was whether momentum was defined or not, &lt;br&gt; not how it works. &lt;br&gt; If you can&#39;t accept that that the current idea and definition of &lt;br&gt; motion differs from the notion and definition of momentum differ, &lt;br&gt; then there is not much more to discuss. &lt;br&gt; It does matter, for all the ideas, concepts, and understanding of
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Inertial</name>
  <email>relativ...@rest.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-01-07T02:40:15Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_thread/thread/50500639b18c4c27/3a16220ef54b506e?show_docid=3a16220ef54b506e"/>
  <title type="text">Re: There is just *one* kind of mass!!</title>
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  Define what you mean by a &amp;quot;kind&amp;quot; of mass. &lt;br&gt; Is there more than one &#39;kind&#39; of length? Is height a different &#39;kind&#39; of &lt;br&gt; length to width? &lt;br&gt; Is the measured contracted length (in SR) of a rod by a moving observer a &lt;br&gt; different &#39;kind&#39; of length to the rest length of the rod? Or is it a &lt;br&gt; different value for the same thing, due to differences in frame of
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  <author>
  <name>Inertial</name>
  <email>relativ...@rest.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-06T09:53:20Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_thread/thread/77c5de5e290e14ae/94b0ced098c3e135?show_docid=94b0ced098c3e135</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_thread/thread/77c5de5e290e14ae/94b0ced098c3e135?show_docid=94b0ced098c3e135"/>
  <title type="text">Re: The Law of Conservation of Energy</title>
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  I&#39;ve been telling you all this for ages. Its basic physics. Arghh !! &lt;br&gt; Except when its not (see your own comment below) &lt;br&gt; It can. Noone denies that you can get kinetic energy from a moving mass &lt;br&gt; Well, yes, of course. Its moving unless its stationary (at rest) in some &lt;br&gt; particular frame of reference. &lt;br&gt; But even then, there is still (rest) energy equivalent to that (rest) mass,
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Inertial</name>
  <email>relativ...@rest.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-06T10:01:28Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: There is just *one* kind of mass!!</title>
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  There are a number of mass-related concepts, that mysteriously are all &lt;br&gt; equivalent and we call whatever-it-is that causes/is these &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot;. &lt;br&gt; That&#39;s pretty much the definition of kinetic energy. &lt;br&gt; Things at rest can have energy .. as mass and energy are equivalent. &lt;br&gt; That&#39;s just a slogan .. not any sort of law
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  <author>
  <name>Inertial</name>
  <email>relativ...@rest.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-06T10:03:19Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: There is just *one* kind of mass!!</title>
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  Because you can&#39;t discuss things rationally without flying off the handle &lt;br&gt; with insults &lt;br&gt; And here you go again... &lt;br&gt; What patience? You have no patience .. you fly off the handle (as you just &lt;br&gt; did) with no provocation or justification at all. You clearly have &lt;br&gt; psychological anger management problems. You need help.
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  <author>
  <name>Inertial</name>
  <email>relativ...@rest.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-06T09:21:07Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: A simple Q. but not a simple A,,</title>
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  Sorry .. true .. in that we do not know what it is and how it works, only &lt;br&gt; how to calculate it &lt;br&gt; That&#39;s just how to calculate it. Not what it is or how it works. &lt;br&gt; You say it as thought you are saying something new &lt;br&gt; What error? &lt;br&gt; What they are called doesn&#39;t really matter. Its the laws themselves that &lt;br&gt; matter
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  <name>Androcles</name>
  <email>headmas...@hogwarts.physics_r</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-07T00:48:07Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: A simple Q. but not a simple A,,</title>
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  Your quote is from the elaboration of Law II, not that in the first &lt;br&gt; &#39;chapter&#39; &lt;br&gt; titled Definitions.You do not seem to realize that the definitions of &lt;br&gt; Newton &lt;br&gt; are his postulates, and that his Laws of Momentum are based on his &lt;br&gt; postulates. (So if you deviate from Newton&#39;s Definitions, you are in &lt;br&gt; truth, &lt;br&gt; deviating from the mechanics presented in Principia.)
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  <email>k...@nventure.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-07T00:31:26Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_thread/thread/91114d0c22a62f9c/3521e6ebae663c42?show_docid=3521e6ebae663c42"/>
  <title type="text">Re: A simple Q. but not a simple A,,</title>
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  I goofed again and the lines of text are again too &lt;br&gt; long, so there are again the goofy short lines of &lt;br&gt; text. &lt;br&gt; So sorry &lt;br&gt; D. Y. K.
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  <email>k...@nventure.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-07T00:24:55Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_thread/thread/91114d0c22a62f9c/7c71bbaa48618c61?show_docid=7c71bbaa48618c61"/>
  <title type="text">Re: A simple Q. but not a simple A,,</title>
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  Your quote is from the elaboration of Law II, not that in the first &lt;br&gt; &#39;chapter&#39; &lt;br&gt; titled Definitions.You do not seem to realize that the definitions of &lt;br&gt; Newton &lt;br&gt; are his postulates, and that his Laws of Momentum are based on his &lt;br&gt; postulates. (So if you deviate from Newton&#39;s Definitions, you are in &lt;br&gt; truth, &lt;br&gt; deviating from the mechanics presented in Principia.)
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  <author>
  <name>fitz</name>
  <email>zeus...@yahoo.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-06T22:21:54Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_thread/thread/b226bc1c36a0e87a/cfc49a9169a5f42d?show_docid=cfc49a9169a5f42d"/>
  <title type="text">Kurt Gödel PROVED that ALL math must be kept within certain parameters.</title>
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  Kurt Gödel PROVED that ALL math must be kept within certain &lt;br&gt; parameters. &lt;br&gt; The essential concept in Gödel&#39;s proof is that if you cannot see the &lt;br&gt; entire universe then what you believe are universal math &amp;amp; laws may &lt;br&gt; only be subset math &amp;amp; rules for your particular subset reference &lt;br&gt; frame. &lt;br&gt; This must be exactly what is happening if ALL astronomers in ALL our
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  <author>
  <name>Y.Porat</name>
  <email>y.y.po...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-01-06T16:36:17Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: There is just *one* kind of mass!!</title>
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  On Jan 6, 5:35 pm, PD &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; THAT THERE IS JUST ONE KIND OF MASS &lt;br&gt; as usual &lt;br&gt; you are a MASTER OF SAING NOTHING &lt;br&gt; IN A FEW SENTENCES OF EMPTY HAND WAVING &lt;br&gt; you answered on nothing of my many questions &lt;br&gt; even not elegantly !! &lt;br&gt; 2 &lt;br&gt; al the above liar of my achievements &lt;br&gt; that you say now (or insinuate )are nonsense physics
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  <author>
  <name>Itnia</name>
  <email>it...@verizon.net</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-01-06T16:29:10Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_thread/thread/c59b9001f5f65456/c1bb3d1cbabf5c57?show_docid=c1bb3d1cbabf5c57</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.particle/browse_thread/thread/c59b9001f5f65456/c1bb3d1cbabf5c57?show_docid=c1bb3d1cbabf5c57"/>
  <title type="text">&quot;The Paradox of Zeno&quot;</title>
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  &amp;quot;The Paradox of Zeno&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; (See also our sister website reticsessays.com) &lt;br&gt; The Paradox of Zeno is 2000 years old and its apparent ability to prove &lt;br&gt; that all motion is impossible was not resolved until the mathematical &lt;br&gt; techniques of Calculus became available, even though that technique is not &lt;br&gt; required. One form of the paradox describes the flight of an arrow which has
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  <author>
  <name>PD</name>
  <email>thedraperfam...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-01-06T15:35:26Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: There is just *one* kind of mass!!</title>
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  Do your own homework, Porat. This has been mentioned to you dozens of &lt;br&gt; times before and you consistently whine that you shouldn&#39;t have to.
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  <author>
  <name>Y.Porat</name>
  <email>y.y.po...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-01-06T09:48:25Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: There is just *one* kind of mass!!</title>
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  --------------------- &lt;br&gt; and that is exactly why i dont want to discuss with you !! &lt;br&gt; YOU ARE A** BORN** IMBECILE BLOCKHEAD FEUERBACHER &lt;br&gt; THAT WILL NEVER LEARN ANYTHING NEW &lt;br&gt; AND WORSE THAN THAT &lt;br&gt; AN ASS LEAKIER OF &#39;ESTABLISHMENT PEOPLE &lt;br&gt; A CROOK THAT WILLNEVR GIVE CREDIC TO ANYONE &lt;br&gt; (except his gang or clan )THAT IS NOT A PARROT LIKE YOUSELF
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