Stern Gerlach experiment and absurdities of modern physics
sorin
Stern and Gerlach experiment is one of the most representative
experiments in quantum mechanic. The experiment simplicity was
completed with a complicate and absurd quantum explanation.
A new ,,common sense” explanation for the experiment has been
displayed on the elkadot site in 2007. The link:
http://www.elkadot.com/atomic/Stern-Gerlach_experiment.htm
Further development of Stern Gerlach experiment, using successive
inhomogeneous magnetic fields with different orientations, forced the
scientific community to accept even more absurd concepts like
entanglement, space quantization, etc.
Again a ,,common sense" interpretation was displayed in 2007 for the
successive Stern Gerlach experiments at the link:
http://www.elkadot.com/atomic/Space_quantization_entanglement.htm
All scientific journals with an IF greater then 1 denied to publish
this simple and common sense explanations. Now it seems that some of
them are interested, but now there is not need for publishing. The
site has more visitors from university and research community then a
high rated journal.
An improvement of English formulation is foreseen for the next year in
the physical-chemistry book.
Best regards,
Sorin Cosofret
Y.Porat
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Mr Sorin
i was deading your post for about
15 minutes
and let me tell you that it was spwaking a lot to me!!
becuse i could see imeduately that it is a nice confirmation for my
model
of the nuc and the Atom
and a confirmation to most of your explanation
yet withall th emodesty
i have in my hand a little more information
about the structure of the Silver Atom
thjat can be a help for you as well:
sosome tips and a litle corection:
1
the Atom that you described (schematically i suppose ) as a sphere
is not a sphere !!
IT IS A SORT OF A RECTABGULA PIPE
THAT HAS A FRONT POSLE AND A BACK POLES THAT ARE NOT IDENTICAL
that rectangular pipe has a longitudinal axis as you call it the Z
axis
but it has as well as a respectable rectangular pipe that is not
isometric
(not symmetric ) even in the x and y
directions
direction
2
moreover :
at the front pole there is an unpaired electron ORBITAL !!
that plase note carefull
that orbital
** is not directed exactly to the Z direction !!!
it has some deviation in aggle from the Z direction say just for
memorising it
qualitatively a deviation of say
30 degrees form the Z axis direction
it means that the Silvr atom
has at least TWO POSSIBLE
SITUATIONS
even along the Z axis
one as you call it
to the X direction (rotation say left along the Z)
and the other possibility a long the what you call the -Z direction
forme it is actually
rotation counter clock wise around the Z
or rotation clockwise areond the Z
say by 30 deg
and the result is two different beams
deviation ...
3
soi think that all that data
and some more thatr i have
canhelp you explain your experiments
not only spin orientated but
a lot more for other phenomena !!
4
people who got my book can confirm
that tips that i gave youi about the
Silver Atom and nuc
btw
the Atom structure is a diract and tangible result of my nuclear
structure
for instance thw mumbling about
couples of many inner electrons that cancel eachones magnetism is
mumbling:
there is no somany electrons
at the front and backpoles
therefore THERE IS NO NEED AT ALL
FO RTHEM
'TO CANCEL THE MAGNETICS OF EACH OTHER
because the simple reason that
there are not so many couples of ther
of electrons
(you see what happened ther:
pwople invented a ''scarecrow'
as a false elctron model and than had to fight bravely against
it??)
5
if you like i can send you (privately)
the 3D scheme of the
Silver Atom and nuc
ATB
Y.Porat
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eric gisse
[...]
Let's see where this episode of "the blind leading the blind" ends up.
Y.Porat
1
Please neglect the psycopth mug
little napoleon Bonaparte
as something to say
for anything no mater if he knows or a fucken ignorast about it
2
i would like to meke some clarification
to my above
i said
rotation clockwise or counter clock wise
around the Z axis
but i think it is beter for me to say::
rotation of a quarter of a circle
in **order to adjust the electron of the Silver atom** to
the figure 3 of the clock
or to ADJUST it to the figues 9
of the clock
(that shold explain why the splt is
each case only to** two** directions !!!)
of couse it should be randomal
because once the orbital is 'catched'
in a position that it even was in a slight deviation to clock or
counter clock
it **will continue to the same difection it started **
like in a labile stability situation
a slight deviation to one side
will go on the that side
a slght deviation (at atart to the other
side
will go one to that side of rotation
AND THEN WILL STOP ROTATIING
AND BE 'LOCKED' ON ONE DIRECTION
BY THE MAGNETIC FIELD !!
either on '''the figure 3 '''
or the figure 9 '' of the imaginary clock ''
ATB
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
Ho
and another clarification to Mr Sorin
(before it is too late (:-))
the call to bypass little Napoleon is
against Gisse not to you
ATB
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
> On Nov 15, 7:01 am, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>
> > sorin wrote:
> > > Stern Gerlach experiment and absurdities of modern physics
> > >http://www.elkadot.com/atomic/Space_quantization_entanglement.htm
> > ...
> > > Best regards,
>
> > > Sorin Cosofret
>
> > Just curious...
>
> What is obvious is that the correct explanation of Stern-Gerlach has
> something to do with indeterminacy, and a proper understanding of
> space.
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save youself the trouble:
it has nothing to do with space !
it is a hundred percent a particle
property !!
youmust know that electrons of the Atom
are directed tovery specific directions
and even that is
A DIRECT RESULT OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE NUC
THA HAS AS WELL A VERY DEFINITE
3D STRUCTURE
each proton and neutron has its
exact location and direction
yes directin
wvwn the protons and neutrons are not spheres
they have a longish shape
and therefore have a front pole
and a back pole side
that dictate the way they ar4 connected
in that 3D structure (mostly a 'rectangula pipe '"
that has again a front pole that is different from the back pole
and that chain of orbitals system
dictates the direction of the electrons
of the Atom
now the nmain discovery that has implication on the above experiment
is as i indicated above:
the Silver as most of other Atoms
has a longitudinal axis along thjat
'rectangular pipe it is for our discussion
the Z axis
now the most importand remark that i did
about that exoeriment is that
the electron on the fron pole of Silver
is not directed parallel tothe Z Axis
it has some deviation from that axis direction
and if you know that the reatangula pipe
is as well not symetric in thr X y directions
ie
it has a 'left side and a right side
and a top side and a bottom side
that generally non of the is identical
tothe other by details
ie on on side there are other neutrins than another one
in on side more neutrons in another side less ones etc
so bottom line
the nuc has 4 +2 9at the 2 poles as well that are different
diffrent
so
even if the Atom will be forced move paralle to the magnetic field
it stil have many degrees of freedon to
ROTATE along the Z axis
but the electronat the front that is
leading the direction
since it is deviating from the z
has only two possibilities
bwecause the magnet does not let it todomore than
2 movements
either torotale maximum of 90 deg
to the 'figure 3
or maximum deg to the figure 9
we agt a split of eve number
of atoms to'left or rigth!
so no matter of it was passind
magnet no 1 or 2 or 3
between the magnets it can still rotate 'left ot right (even a sligth
roattion as a start
but that slight deviatin of rotation
from the equlibrium situation between left or 'rigth
is 'falling' more and more to that direction of rotation' to a bigger
and bigger rotation
(to that maximum of 90 deg that the
magnet allows
2
now you can ask
why is it that not all of them
rottate to the same direction ?? !!
he answer is that the magnetic field
'does not mind if it is left or right
rotation is done
(but not more than left or rigth )
the only thing it 'minds is that the leading (deviated )electron will
rest on the same plan
as the force lines are in
that is as i see it
and as far as i know
that explanation is unprecedented
(because i have in my hand other
more general
unprecedented information....)
ATB
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
wrote:
> On Nov 15, 9:31 am, Huang <huangxienc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 15, 7:01 am, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>
> > > sorin wrote:
> > > > Stern Gerlach experiment and absurdities of modern physics
> > > ...
> > > >http://www.elkadot.com/atomic/Space_quantization_entanglement.htm
> > > ...
> > > > Best regards,
>
> > > > Sorin Cosofret
>
> > > Just curious...
>
> > What is obvious is that the correct explanation of Stern-Gerlach
>
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was an experiment as the op described--
done
at those times ??
Y.Porat
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Robert Higgins
If you or the OP wants to do an experiment, go do it.
Y.Porat
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i was asking if many years ago as you say
th eexperiment that sorin describes was done
what is so difficult for you to asnswer
1
yes
2
no
3
you dont know
what is so difficult to answer
a simple answer
TIA
Y.Porat
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Robert Higgins
I want to know, go look for it. If you want to do it, do it. But don't
piss and moan that someone else should do it.
Y.Porat
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-as far as i understood Sorin claimed that they did such an
experiment !!
so we have to ask him:
Mr Sorin
is that experiment that you describe
a new or an old experiment
or still never done ???
2
even if they still ddint do it
i can tell you a lot even about the orriginal experiment
that Stern and Gerlach did
that you and others never dream t to understand!!
anyway you might understand my innovation
a bit better than the fucken mathematicians here
because as you say you are a chemist...
so i will start with a question to you and other readers as well ::
why is it that the beam is splitting ONLY to two beams (each time in
a set of magnets )
**** and not more than 2 **** ???
and another BTW question
what else other specific elements are doing that exact split
phenomenon like silver ???
TIA
Y.Porat
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Autymn D. C.
> Mr Sorin
> i was deading your post for about
> 15 minutes
> and let me tell you that it was spwaking a lot to me!!
> becuse i could see imeduately that it is a nice confirmation for my
> model
> of the nuc and the Atom
> and a confirmation to most of your explanation
Nescius they are. They belong in nesci.chem and
nesci.physics.particle. There's nothing wrong with magnetism as is.
How come there are no rectangular (or parallèlepipedal) X-ray
diffraction patterns?
Y.Porat
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we are dealing here
in splitting of Silver atoms in a unsymetric magnetic field
remember ??
we are not splitting light
we split Atoms of silver
light spectrum of Atoms
is another Opera
btw
untill now no theory could predict or explain
reasonable --
spectrum of heavy Atoms
they can create the spectrum of a heavy Atom
and register its spectrum
but not to explain it (associate it) to
all the alleged dozens of electrons in many shells
ATB
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
BTW
i wonder where has Sorin disappeared ??
he sent just one op post
and then disappeared ??!!
Y.P
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