Re: Quantum physics makes water different
Y.Porat
> On Aug 27, 3:56 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
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> > "Mike Jr." wrote:
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> > >http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/34375/title/Quantum_physic...
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> > [snip]
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> > > "Rübhausen says the difference in bond lengths could help explain some
> > > surprising results he and his collaborators reported last year. His
> > > team was comparing RNA made with ordinary organic molecules to RNA
> > > made of those molecules’ mirror images. Their goal was to shed light
> > > on why life always uses one type of molecule rather than the other.
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> > > Chemically, the molecules and their mirror images should be identical.
> > > But the researchers found small differences in the energy it takes to
> > > excite electrons in the two types of RNA — but only when the RNA
> > > molecules were suspended in ordinary water. When the researchers
> > > repeated the experiment in heavy water, the differences disappeared."
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> > On the face of it that is a truly awful "observation". Either the
> > paper goes way beyond the press release or somebody will be publishing
> > a retraction. Let's look,
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> >http://lib.bioinfo.pl/auth:R%C3%BCbhausen,M
> > RNA Journal 13 1877 (2007)
> > "First experimental evidence for the preferential stabilization of the
> > natural D- over the nonnatural L-configuration in nucleic acids"
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> > Raman spectra relative line intensities are not graven in stone. I
> > want to see several runs with serial dilutions of each over a modest
> > range of temps each dilution, plus corresponding polarized Raman
> > outputs. I want see other duplex sequences and the individual
> > components' results.
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> > I'll bet you a retracted publication there is no consistent effect.
> > Extraordinary claims require control experiments.
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> This looks like the paper:http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:17804644
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> "First experimental evidence for the preferential stabilization of the
> natural D- over the nonnatural L-configuration in nucleic acids.
>
> Sarah Bolik, Michael Rübhausen, Stephan Binder, Benjamin Schulz,
> Markus Perbandt, Nicolay Genov, Volker Erdmann, Sven Klussmann,
> Christian Betzel
> The homochirality of biomolecules is a prerequisite for the origin and
> evolution of terrestrial life. The unique selection of D-
> monosaccharides, in particular, D-ribose in RNA and D-deoxyribose in
> DNA, leads to the construction of proteins by L-amino acids. This
> points to the exclusive role of stereoselectivity in the most
> important physiological processes. So far, there is no experimental
> confirmation for the theoretical calculations of the energy
> differences between enantiomers used for the explanation of the
> stereoselection of biomolecules. Therefore, the question of why nature
> prefers one configuration over the other still lacks a definitive
> answer. Here, we present the first experimental evidence that the D-
> enantiomer of RNA has a different electronic structure compared to the
> corresponding L-enantiomer. When varying the incident photon energy of
> the ultraviolet Raman probe across 5 eV, D- and L-isomers of the RNA
> duplex with the sequence [r(CUGGGCGG).r(CCGCCUGG)] show differences in
> the intensity of the vibrational modes with energies of 124.0 meV to
> 210.8 meV. The intensity difference of these vibrational modes can be
> traced back to energy differences in the electronic levels of D- and L-
> RNA leading to the preferential stabilization of the naturally
> occurring D-configuration of RNA over the L-configuration."
>
> --Mike Jr
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> > --
> > Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
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Mike and others
look at the geometric structure of the Deuteron
in my model
Proton and Neutron are connected linearly
but
NOT IN A STRAIGHT LINE !! ::
one of the systematic findings of my model is
**that Atoms and not only atoms while connecting
are doing it ** by a change in direction at the point in
direction
at the point of connection !!
***you can see that principle all along my model **
and very' plastically' in my 3 D figured that is called
'how quartets are connected
there is no uncertainty and no ubshmetrainty
in the geometric structure of the Atoms
and sub atom particles
(the uncertainly is only lack of enough knwlwdge)
now
if the Deuteron has a break in direction in the connection point
between proton and deuteron
NO WONDER WHY IT HAS
ONE SHAPE
and while rotated 180 degrees
ANOTHER MIRROR SHAPE !!
SEE
http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
TIA
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
in addition to the above
it is noted (the change in direction ) specifically (in words !!)
in the 3D sketch
describing the
Iron nucleus
(i chose that Iron nuc just foe the sake of some simple
example to describe the connection between the
closer reality 3d shape
and the planar sketches describing the same thing
on a flat paper
in order of saving tedious work of showing
all those 92 nucs in a 3 d figures
while describing it in a 2d paln was much simpler
yet i show the connection
between the 3d and 2d
in some figures to be sort of the
"roseta stone'
to make the 2d 'hyroglific ' presentation----
'(that i had to invent)
first for my sake and later for others )
----more understandable
while the
2d presentation is dwelling on aspects
that are good enough to be presented in 2 d !!
like the
number of the different quartets
what is the sequence of connection
the free edge particles etc etc etc
while the 2d is good enough to present a lot of information
but less tedious technically (than the 3d presentation)
TIA
Y.Porat
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and mind you
while was building that model
I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE INFORMATION
THAT IS GIVEN HERE IN THIS THREAD
TIA
Y.Porat
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iw as moch earlier than 1993