Luckily, a bunch of heroic "physicists" have launched a suit against
CERN to put a stop to this dangerous experiment, and save the world in
the process. Phew! That was close. Read about it here:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/legal-bid-to-stop-cern-atom-smasher-from-destroying-the-world.html
Are you clever enough to see this through this scam?
Are you smart enough to see that this is CERN suing CERN to bring
attention to itself? To give impression that it is actually doing
something important and of value?
Are you smart enough to see that a bunch of crooks have just stolen
hundreds of billions of your dollars, built a tunnel with a some coil
wrapped around a few magnets, and now expect you to walk away with
"Phew! thank god they evaded that Blackhole"?
Will you be demanding to see a real, tangible and valuable return from
this public investment?
Or will you instead roll around the grass with the rest of the cattle
and chant in a catatonic state:
"THANK YOU OH GREAT STRING THEORISTS FOR SAVING US FROM THE MYSTERIOUS
BLACKHOLE! HERE TAKE MY MONEY FOR STRING THEORY TO THE BENEFIT OF
HUMANITY! DOWN WITH THE EMPIRICAL!"?
Remember the Apollo programme? Tens of billions of dollars later all
you got was a lousy movie set and some crappy props.
Remember the Apollo 13 deception? an emotional roller-coaster with a
hollywood ending. Awww! This is just like that.
It is this way as it is the only way it could be. How else could the
elaborate ensemble of lies that is "Modern Physics" be falsely
maintained as the empirical?
Move along sheeple, unquestioning blind obedience is your calling.
It's not enough to be important and of value, it also needs publicity
for the next rounds of grant proposals.
> [snip]
>
> Remember the Apollo programme? Tens of billions of dollars later all
> you got was a lousy movie set and some crappy props.
>
We also got some pretty rocks, cosmic ray samples, and a big headstart
to technology infrastructure in the USA, which we still see the
effects of:
http://news.cnet.com/How-NASA-helped-invent-Silicon-Valley/2009-11397_3-6211034.html
Start by getting a better education.
o The energy that can be supplied to a collision by the Large
Hadron Collider (LHC) is a piffle, compared to similar collision
(cosmic rays) taking place over your head right here right now.
Cosmic Ray energies range from five to ten orders of magnitude
greater than the maximum energy that can be pumped into a collision
in the LHC.
o There is evidence that a black hole has been created in particle
accelerators in the past. Low mass black holes have an exceedingly
short lifetime. t = m^3/(1.194 x 10^16 kg^3/s)
o There is no possibility to pump enough energy into a black hole
to have any substantial mass.
o There is no way to create a black hole in a laboratory that can
sustain itself.
Yes. Grant funding must be the main reason for this little media
stunt.
You won't see these guys getting those grants:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiKa4nOkHLw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxfMz2eDME
> > [snip]
>
> > Remember the Apollo programme? Tens of billions of dollars later all
> > you got was a lousy movie set and some crappy props.
>
> We also got some pretty rocks, cosmic ray samples, and a big headstart
> to technology infrastructure in the USA, which we still see the
> effects of:
[1] They lost all 700 boxes of original moon landing video
[2] They lost all the moon-rocks.
[3] They lost blueprints for saturn rockets
[4] Current moon programme stuck solving problems they supposedly
already solved.
> http://news.cnet.com/How-NASA-helped-invent-Silicon-Valley/2009-11397...- Hide quoted text -
It's all propaganda. All of it.
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Your descent into paranoid schizophrenia is inexorable and saddening.
You allow your distrust of anything remotely attached the government
to effectively halt any hopes of productivity you may have had left.
PD
Sir, you use words and say nothing, absolute
By definition a black hole suck everything
Sucking matter in it makes it heavier, sucking even more
The only think that escape from a black hole is vacuum
But we have here a valuable planet, not vacuum, we are far away from
vacuum
Always remember, that only vacuum escape a black hole
You have vakuum with same consistency both inside a black hole and
outside
You cant change a vacuum!!!
>
>
> Sir, you use words and say nothing, absolute
>
> By definition a black hole suck everything
>
> Sucking matter in it makes it heavier, sucking even more
>
Nope. Only high mass black holes. Itty bitty black holes evaporate
without sucking much in. You didn't know that?
Listen up fool, carefully
You are a fool, education is for fools, that is the main reason you
need an education
>
> o The energy that can be supplied to a collision by the Large
> Hadron Collider (LHC) is a piffle, compared to similar collision
> (cosmic rays) taking place over your head right here right now.
> Cosmic Ray energies range from five to ten orders of magnitude
> greater than the maximum energy that can be pumped into a collision
> in the LHC.
I told you are a fool
>
> o There is evidence that a black hole has been created in particle
> accelerators in the past. Low mass black holes have an exceedingly
> short lifetime. t = m^3/(1.194 x 10^16 kg^3/s)
"There is" evidence sounds like it is not quite sure
When you dangerous things as black holes you need certainty, not only
" there is evidence"
fool !!!
>
> o There is no possibility to pump enough energy into a black hole
> to have any substantial mass.
pump??? what are you crazy!!!
What are you a fucking bicycle repairman?
>
> o There is no way to create a black hole in a laboratory that can
> sustain itself.
Are you degrading that big expensive thing a just a "laboratory"????
hahaha, thanks
No, how would _you_ do, you never been in a black hole coming back
telling me what to do
And frankly, I cant see a sucking even light black hole could
"evaporate"
Is this "evaporate" a kinda "fabric of space" or a "gravity tractor"
kind of reality?
Thanks
You sound unhappy.
I thought you were going to try to tell me black holes don't
exist.
Why should you care if the earth or the universe get deleted.
More like a "hosteomorphic proscriperation" kind of reality, I think.
>
> Thanks
>
What are you suggesting, that we should not purchase green bananas, or
that we should ignore history truth in favor of undemstated
speculation?
Idiot!
Harry C.
Sam, define "exist".
I for one would not tell you that they exist or do not exist, although
I can share with you that today "black holes" are mathematical or
physical instantiations, where they are useful in explaining
observational effects not yet otherwise understood or explained by
established theory and produce no useful predictive results.
I could very well be incorrect, but I have to compare "black holes"
with the "aether" thory that was popularly employed to expain the
prropagation of electromagnetic waves prior to the arrival of James
Clerk Maxwell on the scene.
Then too, I don't dismiss any theoretical speculation until a better
theory comes along and displaces it...which is turn is supported by
its ability to make verifiable predictions of future experimental and
verifiable outcomes. Then too, that theory is only valid until an
better theory arrives on the scene and accomplishes even more accurate
predictive and testable results.
No offense intended.
Harry C.
None taken... and I understand your perspective... But I think
the case for black holes is a lot stronger than you currently
accept. More data is on the way. :-)
>
> Harry C.
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>
>
> I could very well be incorrect, but I have to compare "black holes"
> with the "aether" thory that was popularly employed to expain the
> prropagation of electromagnetic waves prior to the arrival of James
> Clerk Maxwell on the scene.
Sgr A*, massively constrained by observation to exclude the vast
majority of candidate non-GR explanations for black holes. Cygnus X-1
- Hawking lost the bet that it was't a black hole.
Nothing like the aether - black holes make testable and verified
predictions.
[snip]
Sounds as if you've been there, huh ?
Han de Bruijn
Well, I'd enjoy to hear peoples opinion of water dissociation as a
source of burnable H & O in another thread..
Easy to write "water power" on a car. Surely one cannot dissociate H
and O and then gain energy by re-combining them.. but maybe something
else is going on? I am curious.
> > > [snip]
>
> > > Remember the Apollo programme? Tens of billions of dollars later all
> > > you got was a lousy movie set and some crappy props.
>
> > We also got some pretty rocks, cosmic ray samples, and a big headstart
> > to technology infrastructure in the USA, which we still see the
> > effects of:
>
> [1] They lost all 700 boxes of original moon landing video
>
> [2] They lost all the moon-rocks.
>
> [3] They lost blueprints for saturn rockets
>
> [4] Current moon programme stuck solving problems they supposedly
> already solved.
>
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>
Unfortunately I understand you are right about point #4. Such is the
way of technology which has fallen out of use. I see you don't deny
the technological benefit Apollo had on US infrastructure.
> It's all propaganda. All of it.
>
Thank you, Epimenides
Blue cheese, French, or Russian?
>I could very well be incorrect, but I have to compare "black holes"
>with the "aether" thory that was popularly employed to expain the
>prropagation of electromagnetic waves prior to the arrival of James
>Clerk Maxwell on the scene.
Maxwell developed his theory on the assumption of an aether.
-- Richard
--
Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.
Black holes are what keeps galaxies in a check and balance every
galaxy has one.
By looking at a galaxies sigma the size of the black hole witch lies
in the center of all galaxies can be calculated.
And many of the laws of thermodynamics were developed with the
assumption of a fluid called "caloric".
This does not mean that the laws of thermodynamics fall when this
assumption is removed.
PD
Similarly, gravity and math will
both still be around when we realize thatBlack Holes are infantile
boogie men that spring from a misunderstanding
of gravity.
No matter how you spin it, suck gravity is just plain stupid.
If I shoot something at you it ain't never going to pull
you towards me when it hits you. And if zillions of mes all
crowd in on me and crush me, I won't
be shooting anything at anybody anymore.
John
I have to agree "attraction" is a farce.
Pushing is a "physical" force.
Attraction only occurs when something is "pushing".
Gravity is a pressure differential of the smallest stuff
in the universe. (dark matter) along with the conservation
of energy and spin of that smallest stuff..
Stuff so small we can only detect the effects so far because
we simply are not looking for the "pushing" force because
of the ignorance of "relativity".
:)
--
James M Driscoll Jr
Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory
Spaceman
Good, then you'll be able to take two bar magnets and explain what's
going on when you put the two N poles together and they are repelled,
and then you turn one of the magnets around so that the N and S poles
are together and they are attracted. Kindly explain how this is
"physically" pushing in both cases.
>> Maxwell developed his theory on the assumption of an aether.
>And many of the laws of thermodynamics were developed with the
>assumption of a fluid called "caloric".
>This does not mean that the laws of thermodynamics fall when this
>assumption is removed.
I'm not sure what that's got to do with my comment, which was pointing
out that it wasn't "the arrival of James Clerk Maxwell on the scene"
that marked the end of the aether theory.
I try to quote the context necessary to interpret my remarks; you
might at least read it.
PD,
You would never get it.
It is all from spin of electrons and the smallest stuff you don't even think
can exist and the conservation of energy.
So I will not even try to bother to explain something way beyond your
comprehension to you.
You still can not even grasp a clock malfunction.
Go ahead, explain it, since you seem to have some theory about it.
Maybe I won't get it, but somebody might. After all, you're trying to
revolutionize physics with your ideas.
I am prepared to make a wager with you, so that you suffer more than
just a "drat" setback on September 10. How does US$5000 sound to you?
PD
I think you're right. I believe that gravity and all other "attractive"
forces are push forces. It is quite easy to see how all the forces of nature
can be described by the same model. But it involves something like a quantum
ether to explain it. Think of it as follows:
Let's say that the quantum ether particles are actually forcing the
attracting particles together from the opposite sides due to more being
absorbed on those sides. Let these ether
particles have various states that are switched on when they are absorbed by
various particles, or "charges". In some states, the ether particles are
more readily absorbed than in other states; i.e., the state that the ether
particle is in determines its probability of absorption when it encounters a
"charge". Assume you have two electric charges located a distance R apart
from each other. When a charge absorbs ether particles, it changes their
state and very quickly re-emits (scatters) them in random directions. If it
is scattered by a negative charge, it is in a state that has a very high
probability of being absorbed by another negative charge, and a very low
probability of being absorbed by a positive charge. If it is scattered by a
positive charge, it is in a state that has a very high probability of being
absorbed by a positive charge and a very low probability of being absorbed
by a negative charge. Let the lifetime of these states induced by electric
(and magnetic) charges be very long -- perhaps infinite if not re-absorbed
and re-emitted in another state. So, now consider
the two charges located apart in this sea of ether particles. If they are
opposite, they will seem to attract because of greater absorption from the
back-side. If they are the same, they will repel because of greater
absorption from the front-side. (This is all due to the differences in
probability of absorption.) Also, the force (for electrostatic
magnetostatic, and gravity) will have a 1/R^2
dependence. Also, say that when the ether particles are absorbed by a
nuclear
"charge" they are scattered in a state that has an extremely low probability
of being absorbed by another nuclear charge, and that the state has a very
short lifetime (of the order 10^-23 sec) converting quickly into another
state depending on the other
charge present in the nucleon. That means that nucleons will be very
strongly attracted (pushed together) at a short distance, and will
essentially feel no attraction due to the nuclear charge at longer
distances. And it obviously won't have the 1/R^2 dependence
because of the states continuously and randomly decaying along the paths.
Gravity would be explained by these particles having a very low absorption
probability by "mass charges" which are present in all particles. And mass
charges have the same absorption probability for the quanta whatever state
they are in. The magnetic force of a moving charge is caused by non-uniform
scattering of the ether particles, i.e., they have a preferential direction
of being re-emitted based on the velocity vector of the moving charge. This
causes a net reaction in the direction opposite the enhanced emission
direction. We might also expect to find an analogous reactive force for
gravity. By
simply assigning correct states, absorption probabilities, total flux of
ether quanta, momentum per ether particle, and
lifetimes to states of these ether particles, you can explain all the forces
of nature
using the same model.
Ptrezby
> Maybe I won't get it
The question is why?
What if you could get it and no one could know that you got it?
Would you still want it?
[...]
I am shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that you would not jump on this chance to
put money where your prodigious mouth is.