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Magnetic

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Dec 5, 2009, 12:19:56 AM12/5/09
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At last, the news about the most dangerous thing, which can be created
at LHC, was published in well-known media edition.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/dr_dark_energy/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/dr_dark_energy/page2.html

At the end of the article the author try to calm the readers that LHC
will collide protons with the energy only about 450 GeV.

But the calculation (two independent approaches) gives us the value
about 250 GeV.

Indeed, that is smaller than the collision energy of Tevatron. But is
it possible to create a magnetic hole at Tevatron, colliding protons
and antiprotons? Magnetic field in the central point between these
flying by particles is equal to zero, B = 0. But at the LHC B = 2B_1.

That is smaller than the energy of cosmic rays. But look at my model
with two 10-kg bottles with neutrons. You will see that the bottle,
corresponding to cosmic rays, will be safe. But the bottle,
corresponding to LHC collisions, will transform the town into
Hiroshima.

The 250 GeV energy per colliding proton was already achieved at RHIC.
Experimentalists could see collapses – fireballs – about four years
ago. It is possible that those fireballs are experimental proves of
magnetic holes. Those holes evaporated immediately because the RHIC
collided heavy nuclei, containing many protons and neutrons. Will such
holes evaporate at LHC, or will created magnetic holes begin to
capture the slowly moving protons of Earth?

One of the authors of documents about the safety of LHC, Igor Tkachev,
is 100% confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
black hole.
I am 95 % confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
magnetic hole. I think that magnetic hole, besides the magnetic field,
has axial-symmetric gravity field, stretching mostly in the plane of
our Galaxy. This explains the huge velocities of peripheral stars of
our Galaxy. In other words, - there is no any dark matter in our
Universe. Its role is performed by magnetic holes. There is no any
dark energy in our Ever Young Universe. Its role is performed by
cosmic background radiation. Hubble constant is not the parameter of
Universe expansion, but the angular frequency of 4-d rotation of
Universe. 13.34 billion years is not the age of Universe, but the time
of one full 4-d rotation of Ever Young Universe. Energy sources of
stars in Ever Young Universe are different from the sources in Big
Bang Universe. Our energy sources can be described by corrected
formula of Hawking. This formula must contain the square root from
Dirac’s big number. This formula describes the luminosity of stars,
but not the black holes evaporation. In our model there are no black
holes, but there can be extremely rapid gravity collapses, ending by
disappearance of gravity funnel and huge gamma-burst. Gravity collapse
is the final part of magnetic collapse if the mass of the magnetic
hole is sufficient and if its configuration is correspondent.

Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.
No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is: [img]http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg[/img]

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more that 100 GeV must be banned by
international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.

[quote]Is it possible you are wrong with your theories. Is it
possible ?[/quote]

If I was not confident, I would not fear LHC, I would sleep calmly,
but, as can you see, I am in shock now.

[quote]How have you determined, with such certainty, that your right ?
You still have provided no proof at all that you are correct.[/quote]

Two mathematical proves. Dozen of supplementary arguments.

[quote]Is it possible that you are overly fearful and that scaring the
public is a irresponsible, immoral and unethical thing to do if you
have no proof at all of your theories ?[/quote]

I said the truth. Are bigbangers responsible and honest in their
gaining the ruling position in science? Look at the open letter of
anti bigbangers, signed by thousand of famous scientists, who are
rejected the idea of Big Bang: http://www.cosmologystatement.org/
There is no pluralism in science now. Science was transformed into
religious dogma by bigbangers. Because of this I have no job in
science. Because of this the Earth can undergo the big bang, but this
bang will not prove the Big Bang theory.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more that 100 GeV must be banned by
international law.

eric gisse

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Dec 5, 2009, 5:25:30 AM12/5/09
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Magnetic wrote:

[...]

Do you even take the time to clean yourself now that you are ranting full
time?

PD

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Dec 5, 2009, 10:53:19 AM12/5/09
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On Dec 4, 11:19 pm, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
> At last, the news about the most dangerous thing, which can be created
> at LHC, was published in well-known media edition.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/dr_dark_energy/http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/dr_dark_energy/page2.html

>
> At the end of the article the author try to calm the readers that LHC
> will collide protons with the energy only about 450 GeV.

You're behind the times. The protons have already been collided with
beam energies of 1180 GeV.

Oh, and you're still here.

PD

Sam Wormley

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Dec 5, 2009, 11:01:10 AM12/5/09
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Magnetic better watch out! The energy that can be supplied to a
collision by the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a piffle, compared
to similar collision (cosmic rays) taking place over his head right
here, right now.

Cosmic Ray energies range from five to ten orders of magnitude
greater than the maximum energy that can be pumped into a collision
in the LHC.

Tunel Vision

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Dec 5, 2009, 11:05:19 AM12/5/09
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On Dec 5, 4:53 pm, PD <thedraperfam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 4, 11:19 pm, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
>
> > At last, the news about the most dangerous thing, which can be created
> > at LHC, was published in well-known media edition.
>
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/dr_dark_energy/http://www.the...

>
> > At the end of the article the author try to calm the readers that LHC
> > will collide protons with the energy only about 450 GeV.
>
> You're behind the times. The protons have already been collided with
> beam energies of 1180 GeV.
>
> Oh, and you're still here.
>
> PD

where? then you have to multiply this
number with a factor, because the
collider is much larger, and the morons
stupider

this is what the law of entropy says

Tunel Vision

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Dec 5, 2009, 11:08:51 AM12/5/09
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i suspect you just integrate over a
larger cross section, which is cheating

Sam Wormley

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Dec 5, 2009, 11:14:11 AM12/5/09
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Nope--single collision! Cosmic rays can have energies of over
10^20 eV (10^11 GeV).

PD

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Dec 5, 2009, 11:20:15 AM12/5/09
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Much larger than what? It's the same machine that accelerated protons
to 450 GeV, then to 1180 GeV.

> and the morons
> stupider

Well, look at you!

Tunel Vision

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Dec 5, 2009, 11:29:08 AM12/5/09
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the collider is much larger, what exactly
you dont understand

and yes, me too

the ancient people were smarter in any case

PD

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Dec 5, 2009, 11:30:20 AM12/5/09
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than what?

dlzc

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Dec 5, 2009, 11:44:53 AM12/5/09
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On Dec 4, 10:19 pm, Magnetic <magnetic.t...@yandex.ua> wrote:
> At last, the news about the most dangerous thing,
> which can be created at LHC, was published in
> well-known media edition.

Your "theory", and your personal fear, are unfounded.

David A. Smith

Dr Ivan D. Reid

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Dec 5, 2009, 1:30:02 PM12/5/09
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On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 07:53:19 -0800 (PST), PD <thedrap...@gmail.com>

>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/dr_dark_energy/http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/04/dr_dark_energy/page2.html

To tell the truth, I've seen no claims, nor data, to show that
collisions occurred at 1180 GeV. The reports just said that
counter-rotating beams were accelerated to that energy. I'm sure I'd
have heard if there were such collisions within CMS, and ATLAS isn't shy
about blowing its own trumpet...



> Oh, and you're still here.

There is that. Let's see if he's still here by the 19th.

--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
CMS software code_swarm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKisjiZIuDY

Uncle Al

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Dec 5, 2009, 2:57:05 PM12/5/09
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Magnetic wrote:
[snip 98 lines of crap]

1) <http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/OhMyGodParticle/>
2) http://www.auger.org/
3) http://www.cosmic-ray.org/
4) idiot

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm

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Dec 5, 2009, 4:21:40 PM12/5/09
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Magnetic wrote:

> At last,


We should start by writing to our galactic overloads
and ban cosmic rays of 10^20 eV from reaching the Earth.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_rays


Magnetic

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Dec 5, 2009, 9:16:31 PM12/5/09
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Today or tomorrow CERN plans to fulfill the first 0.45 TeV collisions.
23 of November they already saw spontaneous collisions and that did
not led (?) to catastrophe.

According to my computation such collisions can lead to the
collaptical explosion of Earth with probability about 10%.

In a week CERN plans to perform 1.2 TeV collisions.

According to my computation such collisions can lead to the
collaptical explosion of Earth with probability about 30%.

People, in order to save yourself and your children, you must arrest
the authors of LHC safety assessment documents because they made there
several crude errors and lie assertions.

Here is not complete list of your potential killers:
2003 J.-P. Blaizot, J. Iliopoulos, J. Madsen, G.G. Ross, P.
Sonderegger, H.-J. Specht.
2008 John Ellis, Gian Giudice, Michelangelo Mangano, Igor Tkachev, and
Urs Wiedemann.
And of course, Rolf Heuer, director of CERN, who neglects the opinion
of physicists, saying about dangers of LHC.

The crudest error, made by them, is equating of the consequences of
collider collisions with cosmo-atmospheric collisions. To see the
difference between these consequences look my model with two 10-kg


bottles with neutrons. You will see that the bottle, corresponding to
cosmic rays, will be safe. But the bottle, corresponding to LHC
collisions, will transform the town into Hiroshima.

My calculation (two independent approaches) gives us the dangerous
value of collision energy, - about 250 GeV.

That is smaller than the collision energy of Tevatron. But is it


possible to create a magnetic hole at Tevatron, colliding protons and
antiprotons? Magnetic field in the central point between these flying
by particles is equal to zero, B = 0. But at the LHC B = 2B_1.

The 250 GeV energy per colliding proton was already achieved at RHIC.


Experimentalists could see collapses – fireballs – about four years
ago. It is possible that those fireballs are experimental proves of
magnetic holes. Those holes evaporated immediately because the RHIC
collided heavy nuclei, containing many protons and neutrons. Will such
holes evaporate at LHC, or will created magnetic holes begin to
capture the slowly moving protons of Earth?

Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.


No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is: [img]http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg[/img]

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.

Collisions with energy, more than 100 GeV must be banned by


international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.

Today or tomorrow CERN plans to fulfill the first 0.45 TeV collisions.
People are you ready to die?

http://darkenergy.narod.ru/


whoever

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Dec 5, 2009, 10:11:53 PM12/5/09
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"Magnetic" <magnet...@yandex.ua> wrote in message
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Get a life

7

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Dec 6, 2009, 4:02:06 AM12/6/09
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Magnetic wrote:

> Today or tomorrow CERN plans to fulfill the first 0.45 TeV collisions.
> 23 of November they already saw spontaneous collisions and that did
> not led (?) to catastrophe.
>
> According to my computation such collisions can lead to the
> collaptical explosion of Earth with probability about 10%.

Cosmic rays have collision of 10^20 eV
1 GeV = 10^9 eV
1 TeV = 10^12 eV
Cosmic Ray = 10^20 eV = 100 million TeV.



> In a week CERN plans to perform 1.2 TeV collisions.

CERN needs to be 100 million times bigger to equal
typical Cosmic ray collisions.


> According to my computation such collisions can lead to the
> collaptical explosion of Earth with probability about 30%.

Fruitcakes like you just can't work the numbers can you?

Cosmic rays perform 100 million TeV collisions in atmosphere every
minute of every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_rays

> People, in order to save yourself and your children, you must arrest
> the authors of LHC safety assessment documents because they made there
> several crude errors and lie assertions.


Who is going to arrest our galactic overloads bombarding us with
100 million TeV cosmic ray particles?

Magnetic

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Dec 6, 2009, 6:59:49 AM12/6/09
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CERN started collisions of protons with energy 0.45 TeV per proton.
Both beams have four bunches of protons.

If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.

It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.

Let’s wait and see.

If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.

CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.

Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.

> Who is going to arrest our galactic overloads bombarding us with
100 million TeV cosmic ray particles?

IDIOT !

Reed this:

Dr Ivan D. Reid

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Dec 6, 2009, 11:34:53 AM12/6/09
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On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 03:59:49 -0800 (PST), Magnetic <magnet...@yandex.ua>

wrote in <b729aa8a-4896-4ec0...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>:
> CERN started collisions of protons with energy 0.45 TeV per proton.
> Both beams have four bunches of protons.

...and already I've seen some nice graphs of mass resonances.



--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN

GSX600F, RG250WD "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO#003, 005
WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2IneD97Gr0

PD

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Dec 6, 2009, 5:48:23 PM12/6/09
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than what?

Uncle Al

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Dec 6, 2009, 6:42:13 PM12/6/09
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Magnetic wrote:
>
> Today or tomorrow CERN plans to fulfill the first 0.45 TeV collisions.
> 23 of November they already saw spontaneous collisions and that did
> not led (?) to catastrophe.
>
> According to my computation
[snip crap]

Did you use your toes, too?

Uncle Al

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Dec 6, 2009, 6:43:51 PM12/6/09
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Magnetic wrote:
>
> CERN started collisions of protons with energy 0.45 TeV per proton.
> Both beams have four bunches of protons.
>
> If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
> energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.
[snip crap]

Hey stooopid, what is the separation of the two poles in a black hole
magentic dipole?

Magnetic

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Dec 7, 2009, 3:21:57 AM12/7/09
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December, 7, 2009. 07.30 GMT.
Now they have cryo problems.
Possible problems from my point of view:
1)Microscopic magnetic holes are already created and emit the
radiation.
2)Usual breakage.

Now I go to Moscow State University to talk with physicists.
By the way, while I fighting in Moscow, two cars with seven policemen
come to my home in Feodosia couple of days ago. They asked my
neighbors: am I adequate; can I beat anyone; can I beat my wife?
This arrival possibly connected with my letters to some presidents of
European countries, which I sent a week ago:
--------------------
Collisions of protons with energies about 1 TeV can lead to MAGNETIC
collapse and explosion of Earth with probability about 30%. Thus, you
can kill me and my relatives.

Please, advice me, what can I do to stop you:

1) To kill some citizens from your countries?
2) To kill myself in front of your Embassy?
3) ???

Ivan Gorelik. darke...@yandex.ru
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/
+7 (8)965 372 00 ??
---------------------

Calm down, gentlemen. I am not able to kill anybody. I wrote this in
order to make you think: what are you doing.


Aleph

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Dec 7, 2009, 8:50:24 AM12/7/09
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On Sunday 06 December 2009 02:16, in
<8d1606fd-9047-4424...@e22g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Magnetic sat down and wrote the following words of wisdom:

> <snip foreplay>


> Here is not complete list of your potential killers:
> 2003 J.-P. Blaizot, J. Iliopoulos, J. Madsen, G.G. Ross, P.
> Sonderegger, H.-J. Specht.
> 2008 John Ellis, Gian Giudice, Michelangelo Mangano, Igor Tkachev, and
> Urs Wiedemann.
> And of course, Rolf Heuer, director of CERN, who neglects the opinion
> of physicists, saying about dangers of LHC.

> <snip post coital shame>

Please add me to your lits o'haet.

--
Aleph

This message was posted to usenet so please reply that way. Emails to
this account are very likely to be ignored.

Magnetic

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Dec 7, 2009, 11:35:47 AM12/7/09
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> > Here is not complete list of your potential killers:
> > 2003 J.-P. Blaizot, J. Iliopoulos, J. Madsen, G.G. Ross, P.
> > Sonderegger, H.-J. Specht.
> > 2008 John Ellis, Gian Giudice, Michelangelo Mangano, Igor Tkachev, and
> > Urs Wiedemann.
> > And of course, Rolf Heuer, director of CERN, who neglects the opinion
> > of physicists, saying  about dangers of LHC.


Boys listen here. The jail is better that you and your children will
be killed by your own LHC.

Read about your error deadly here: http://darkenergy.narod.ru/


Magnetic

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Dec 8, 2009, 2:00:00 AM12/8/09
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On Dec 6, 11:02 am, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Magnetic wrote:
> > Today or tomorrow CERN plans to fulfill the first 0.45 TeV collisions.
> > 23 of November they already saw spontaneous collisions and that did
> > not led (?) to catastrophe.
>
> > According to my computation such collisions can lead to the
> > collaptical explosion of Earth with probability about 10%.
>
> Cosmic rays have collision of 10^20 eV
> 1 GeV = 10^9 eV
> 1 TeV = 10^12 eV
> Cosmic Ray = 10^20 eV = 100 million TeV.
>
> > In a week CERN plans to perform 1.2 TeV collisions.
>
> CERN needs to be 100 million times bigger to equal
> typical Cosmic ray collisions.

Idiot!
Look here:
1. Collider's 10 TeV + 10 TeV is equivalent to 100 000 000 TeV + 0
TeV. 100 000 000 TeV corresponds to cosmic proton; 0 TeV corresponds
to atmospheric proton.

2. If you study my model with two 10kg bottles with neutrons,
bombarded by eV and TeV nuclei, you will see that collider lead to
explosion of Earth.

So, go and beat every bigbanger on your way, otherwise bigbangers will
kill you all soon.

> > According to my computation such collisions can lead to the
> > collaptical explosion of Earth with probability about 30%.
>
> Fruitcakes like you just can't work the numbers can you?
>
> Cosmic rays perform 100 million TeV collisions in atmosphere every
> minute of every day.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_rays
>
> > People, in order to save yourself and your children, you must arrest
> > the authors of LHC safety assessment documents because they made there
> > several crude errors and lie assertions.
>
> Who is going to arrest our galactic overloads bombarding us with
> 100 million TeV cosmic ray particles?

By saying this, you accelerate the murder of your children and
mother.
Demand to stop CERN.

Magnetic

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Dec 12, 2009, 11:36:13 AM12/12/09
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> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_rays

-----------


If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.

It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.


Let’s wait and see.

If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.

CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.

Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Read more at
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/index.html in English,
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/ru.html in Russian.

Calculation of magnetic hole (two independent approaches)
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/magtren.html in English,
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/magtrru.html in Russian.

Additional proving arguments
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/argen.html in English,
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/argru.html in Russian.

Crude errors in the LHC safety documents
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/tezeng.html in English,
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/tezru.html in Russian.

Letters to Prosecutor’s Office of Russia
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/proceng.html in English,
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/proceq.html in Russian.

LHC and Reproduction of Biosphere
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/civilen.html in English,
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/civilru.html in Russian.

Russian language pages are more informative.
Best regards, Ivan Gorelik.

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