I wonder how much temperature and pressure would be required to fuse
one uranium atom with another uranium atom.
Well, its hard enough to fuse deuterium and tritium. D-T fusion
requires at least 10 million celsius and many billions of atmopheres.
I guess that Uranium-Uranium fusion -- if at all possible -- would
require a pressure of at least
10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atmospheres and a
temperature of at least
10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
degrees Celsius.
Regards,
Radium
[snip dumbness]
Don't post crap in here again until you graduate from highschool.
I was just posting my assumption as to how much heat and pressure would
be needed to fuse uranium with more uranium.
Elements heavier than iron can only be fused with EXTREME temperatures
and pressures such as those generated by supernovae.
Not EXTREME temperatures and pressures so much as great flux of
neutrons.
When looking at the Universe about us:
o We find mostly hydrogen and helium. Why--we have compelling
evidence drawn from many corners of astronomy and physics that
the universe evolved from a hotter dense state. When one models
the hotter denser state of about the first few hundred seconds,
particle physics predicts that roughly 75% hydrogen and 24%
helium will be formed from the primordial soup. Observation
confirms these abundance's.
o We have a good understanding of nucleosynthesis of elements
through the iron group, including carbon, nitrogen and oxygen.
I refer you to to Lang (1999), "Astronomical Formulae Vol. I",
Sec 4.4, "Nucleosynthesis of the Elements", pp 402-432.
o We have some understanding of creation of elements with atomic
number greater than the iron group. The computing power and
detail during the relativistic collapse of stellar structures
is a tough problem for details... no hint whatsoever that these
processes are incorrect for the nucleosynthesis of the observed
heavier elements.
Ref: "Astronomical Formulae" Lang 1998 pg 103
"We now realize that elements heavier than iron cannot be
produced in successive static burning stages within stars.
This is because any nuclear reaction involving the iron
group of nuclei, with atomic weight A ~ 56, cannot provide
fuel for the thermonuclear fires that support a star and make
it shine. Instead, the iron-group elements act like seeds for
the synthesis of heavier elements by neutron capture. Such
processes were first suggested by George Gamow for nonequilibrium
nucleosynthesis during the early stages of the expansion of
the Universe (Gamow, 1948; Alpher, Bethe and Gamow, 1948), and
applied to the later stages of stellar evolution by Burbidge,
Burbidge, Fowler and Hoyle (1957), often called B²FH, and
independently by Cameron (1957)".
"Double-peaked features in the abundance curves Relative Abundance
vs Atomic Weight] (Fig. 5.27) indicate that two neutron capture
processes, called the r-process and the s-process, must synthesize
elements with atomic weights A greater than 60. The rapid (r- process)
neutron capture occurs on time scales of about 100 seconds, which
is rapid (r) compared to electron beta decay in the synthesis
networks, while the s-process is much slower (s), occurring over
scales of 10² to 10^5 years. All naturally occurring radioactive
elements with A > 209, including the long-lived uranium, U, and
thorium, Th, parents, 238U, 235U and 232Th, require the r-process,
which builds beyond mass 238 to nuclei that decay back to these
radioactive parents. The r-process probably occurs during stellar
explosions, called supernovae, that rapidly provide a large neutron
flux with a short duration".
Yea right.
Lets hear about the chain of logic that makes you think U-U fusion
[which U? there are a few] requires 10^30 atomspheres of pressure and a
temperature of 10^78 C?
You will be shredding the nuclei into their constituent protons and
neutrons and then quarks in short order with many orders of magnitude
to spare.
Stop posting uneducated crap to sci.physics, we have enough of those
morons already.
>
> Elements heavier than iron can only be fused with EXTREME temperatures
> and pressures such as those generated by supernovae.
Yea, and since when do supernovae have the energy to reach out and
touch Planck scale energies?
This is more of the same crap from you. It is the same line of thinking
as the "fusion pumped laser". If you want to learn about physics, go to
a library and pick up an introductory physics book and start reading.
Mabey even work a few problems.
Eric Gisse wrote:
LMAO !
It seems radium's posts are being filtered by Supernews
Graham
> Lets hear about the chain of logic that makes you think U-U fusion
> [which U? there are a few] requires 10^30 atomspheres of pressure and a
> temperature of 10^78 C?
Is was a *very* rough estimate. Its just that uranium is such a heavy
element I assumed it would required LOTS of energy to fuse.
>
> You will be shredding the nuclei into their constituent protons and
> neutrons and then quarks in short order with many orders of magnitude
> to spare.
The "shredding of nuclei into their constituent protons and neutrons"
classifies as fission. Right?
> Stop posting uneducated crap to sci.physics, we have enough of those
> morons already.
>
> >
> > Elements heavier than iron can only be fused with EXTREME temperatures
> > and pressures such as those generated by supernovae.
> Yea, and since when do supernovae have the energy to reach out and
> touch Planck scale energies?
10 to the power
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
is WAY beyond Planck scale energies.
> This is more of the same crap from you. It is the same line of thinking
> as the "fusion pumped laser". If you want to learn about physics, go to
> a library and pick up an introductory physics book and start reading.
> Mabey even work a few problems.
Okay.
They're more likely to fiss than fuse. The folks at the Atlas heavy ion
accelerator at Argonne have been flinging heavy nuclei at other heavy
nuclei (including U) for decades. What they generally get is fission.
Dangerous Bill
it is an*** imposible*** task with the EXISTING WRONG PARADIGM!!
IMPOSIBLE !!!
-------------------------------
no hint whatsoever that these
> processes are incorrect for the nucleosynthesis of the observed
> heavier elements.
>
> Ref: "Astronomical Formulae" Lang 1998 pg 103
>
> "We now realize that elements heavier than iron cannot be
> produced in successive static burning stages within stars.
> This is because any nuclear reaction involving the iron
> group of nuclei, with atomic weight A ~ 56, cannot provide
> fuel for the thermonuclear fires that support a star and make
> it shine. Instead, the iron-group elements act like seeds for
> the synthesis of heavier elements by neutron capture.
------------
wrong again!!
it is not ONLY by neutron capture
elements lighter than Iron
can combine as whole sets of elements!!
not only neutron capture
i would calll it small nuclei capture
it can beeven iron iron combination
or iron and another soemwaht heavier nuclei
by hight pressure or energy
in my model you can see clearly the 'stich point' in which subelements
were combined
(i call it the 'holes in the rectangular pipe ')
the heavier elements than iron were apparently not created on our globe
they were crateted much before this globe was created
see in my site
the geometric structure of iron element nuclei
and much heavier ones as say lead or bismouthit is unprecedented !!!
(since 1993)
it is in :
http://www.geocities.com/porat_y/mypage.html
ATB
Y.Porat
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i ddint se your post before by previou spost
but that is exactly waht i wrote there
it is not only neutroncapture to make heavier nuc.
i knew it without the inforamtion you brout above
i knew it from net obseravtion of my nuc model
you can see it as i indicated the site
inmy previous post
and btw
folowing mymodel i can predict nuclear process
or explain them as no one else can do !
ATB
Y.Porat
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You need to read more carefully. He said 10^(10^30) atmospheres, and
10^(10^78) C.
Eric Lucas
At a temperature of about 10^13 C, neutrons would be moving at
relativistic speeds (assuming ideal gas behavior, which I'll admit is a
stretch, but I haven't seen an ideal plasma law lately). I doubt that
atomic nuclei would continue to exist at such temperatures.
The temperature you have "estimated" is not one that would be
considered to have any real meaning. Just like most of your posts.
Ah, I see. So "Probably a really big number" translates into "Let's
just write down an impressive looking numbers with lots and lots of
zeros."
You might just as well have said "a pressure of at least a zillion
atmospheres and a temperature of at least a bazillion degrees Celsius."
I guess it just looks more official if you write down a number in
scientific notation than it does to say "a whole bunch."
PD
Ah. Lemme guess. You're trying to invent pergium, a power
source postulated in an old Star Trek Episode (right next
to Si-based life forms which can tunnel through solid rock
by secreting magic acid).
Good luck. You'll need it. *LOTS* of it.
>
> Well, its hard enough to fuse deuterium and tritium. D-T fusion
> requires at least 10 million celsius and many billions of atmopheres.
>
> I guess that Uranium-Uranium fusion -- if at all possible -- would
> require a pressure of at least
> 10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atmospheres and a
> temperature of at least
> 10^1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
> degrees Celsius.
And the reason for these particular numbers is precisely ... what?
Did you base these on barn cross sections, experimental evidence,
or hand-waving?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Radium
>
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
Windows Vista. Because it's time to refresh your hardware. Trust us.
to be more specific:
we cant afford th e huge theprerature or pressures that were
crweating thos elements
we must do it more ECONOMICALLY
and sme news for most of you
WITH SOME BETETR KNOWLEDGS WE CAN DO IT MORE ECONOMICALLY!!
fo rinsatnce if we know that the nuc is niot jsut a porridge of
aprticles
but have a very defint geometric structure
we can use tha tknowledge to make it more economically
for isntance:
th e best way is actually to colide subparticles in the right
*orientation**
if we know that any nuc has its front face
and back face and we know in addition that
IT IS MOSTLY THE FRONT AND BACK FACES OF THE NUC THAT ARE THEACTIVE
PARTS!!
than we can do it for instance
collide it front to front or front to abck etc
see my site quoted above
and get a bit more wiser about it
ATB
Y.Porat
--------------------------
then that is how to do it, the species would probably exist long enough for
a spectrum to be measured but its formation would consume energy and it
would decay into probably many bit and peices, such as Fe, + ..
It would be of acedemic interest only, no good for making star ships with.
We could ask CERN to build a super heavy nuclie accelerator and bang U 238
nuclei into a U 238 target, but it would cost bit.
The've got the time, have you got the money?
--
Golden Helmet
IQ 83
"Dave Oldridge" <dold...@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns9838DA30D8D95...@64.59.135.159...
> "Radium" <gluc...@excite.com> wrote in
> news:1157669060.6...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I wonder how much temperature and pressure would be required to fuse
>> one uranium atom with another uranium atom.
>
> Well, dropping it onto a neutron star would probably work, sort of....
>
>
>
> --
> Dave Oldridge+
> ICQ 1800667
Pulsars indeed! Our highest engineering project, we always know where we are
to within a couple of meters.
Nice lady the LGM girl at Oxford radio astronomy unit, if she has escaped
the catholic execution squads.
Chat to the Pope about it!
--
Golden Helmet
"Dave Oldridge" <dold...@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns983B5B43AD907...@64.59.135.159...
> "Golden Helmet" <m...@myself.com> wrote in
> news:jA9Ng.21274$89.1...@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
>> If you want to make a superheavy nucleus:
>> 238+238, 92+92 = 476, 184
>>
>> then that is how to do it, the species would probably exist long
>> enough for a spectrum to be measured but its formation would consume
>> energy and it would decay into probably many bit and peices, such as
>> Fe, + ..
>>
>> It would be of acedemic interest only, no good for making star ships
>> with.
>>
>> We could ask CERN to build a super heavy nuclie accelerator and bang
>> U 238 nuclei into a U 238 target, but it would cost bit.
>>
>> The've got the time, have you got the money?
>
> Actually, dropping it on a neutron star would probably just result in it
> becoming more neutronium.
Amazing. SOmeone who makes less sense than Radium....
Y.Porat
---------------------------..
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
me...@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Y.Porat
------------------------------
Try a bit of quantum mechanics on stuck photons (particles) and if the get
to that gravity level they destabilise and become unstuck.
--
Golden Helmet
"Dave Oldridge" <dold...@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns983B8FCBF23d...@64.59.135.159...
> "Golden Helmet" <m...@myself.com> wrote in
> news:iQgNg.41532$H03....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
>> Prove neutronium to be real: I do not believe it as I invented it to
>> hide our LGM navigation beacons. That was at RSRS three of decades
>> ago.
>
> Defined as the stuff of neutron stars, it's quite real. But you did not
> invent it. God did.
Their <ahem>creativity astounds me. I encountered one flavor
last month and I'm still floored by it.
/BAH
> Neutron stars cannot exist, the stuck photon matter waves intefere and
> radiate away in millionths of a second.
>
> Try a bit of quantum mechanics on stuck photons (particles) and if the
> get to that gravity level they destabilise and become unstuck.
You need to explain this to a whole bunch of astrophysicists who think they
are seeing such objects.
You're fartin' into the wind, pal. I don't think there's anybody here who
understands a word you're saying, or sees any value in it.
Eric Lucas
QM is just a machine of wich waht you put in it that is waht you get
**not a bit more **
yet with all its abstract base
it cannot predict something that was not planted in it by experimental
knowlwdge
for instance
if the fucken ** knowlwdge** is that a neutron star is built only for
Neutrons
you will never get the real results and *understandings*
if in reality for instance
there are not only neutrons but protons as well that lost some of their
'assets '
to far for parrots to understand it
so they will keep on bashing in the mudd of darkness
ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------
Sure there is always something new.
> I encountered one flavor last month and I'm still floored by it.
>
And this won't be the last time.
No known bound? You're starting to depress me, Mati.
Oh, wait. There's more: http://www.despair.com/viewall.html
Now I feel better. ;-)
- Michael
Does a neutron have a quadrupole moment or a dipole?
In reality it is a stuck photon with two lobes + and -. the + lobe has the
electric field outwards and the - lobe has the field lines pointing inward.
It spins along the + - axis, and each lobe is also spinning antisymetrically
but because it is stuck it don't move.
Now if they get too close the + connects with the - in a giant lattice but
the neutrons and the photons unwind, the neutrons cease to exist and four
high energy photons radiate away.
This takes place spontaneousely with neutron collisions and the the gamma
ray photons are emitted.
Our beacons are active all over the galaxy and have the time of emission
their galactic trajectory written into the pulse.
So our craft pick up the signals and can compute their exact position in all
four dimensions.
The pulsars are our beacons.
--
Golden Helmet
"Y.Porat" <map...@012.net.il> wrote in message
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Oh, never mind....
Eric Lucas
"Golden Helmet" <m...@myself.com> wrote in message
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>Oh, wait. There's more: http://www.despair.com/viewall.html
>
Uggh:-) Thanks.
no one knowes a fuck about waht realy is the structure of
neutrons and Protons
th estory about just 3 quarks is a nice fairy tale
the experiments show that the mass of 3 quarks is only about less than
10percent of the mass of the neotron
the rest is the kcooked shamless story about
;gluons that are 90 percent of it
now since people got it at last in their blockheards
that there is no reletivistic mas but just one kind of mass
the 3 quark story should be retired
we know less than 10 percent of the neotron (protonj ) structure
***and the sonner to internalise it - the better ***
ATB
Y.Porat
-----------------------
You are.
> the experiments show that the mass of 3 quarks is only about less than
> 10percent of the mass of the neotron
> the rest is the kcooked shamless story about
> ;gluons that are 90 percent of it
> now since people got it at last in their blockheards
> that there is no reletivistic mas but just one kind of mass
> the 3 quark story should be retired
Gluons /are of/ quarks inasmuch as fotòns are of elèctròns, but
nuclear forces are stronger so most of the mass is bysy, a'flitting in
the field. You're a retard.
-Aut
if all th equarks are only 10 percent of the mass
than 90 percent is ukknown!1
have you shit head heared that there is no relativistic mass
there is only your relativistic nazi shithead
now common Gisse
a 22 years student student
and take off your shiity mask off
we can smell you from thousands of miles
now that eevry one knows yiou are a 22 years shit student
so you decided to change your fucen identity
so go do your homework dont sit all day next to the computer like
a bump parasite
and get a degree of physaics
disturbed imbecil
and let anyone know:
Authy = Gisse
thesame Nazi shit
Y.P
-------------------------
Why FUSE uranium? If this is supposed to be an energy source it
just won't work. Fusing uranium would suck up more energy than
you get out. It's immutable physical law.
Why bother anyway? It's useless as an energy source, it's an energy
_sink_.
ATB
Y.Porat
Shitty is one of your fairytales.
> just a new by
> and here we are
> rude as a goon
> you ar enot a woman you are an imposter
> no woman would behave like that
> got it nazi imposter?
> wah tis your real name shithead
would behave like what? treat deluded retards like deluded retards?
I'm neither a nationalist nor a socialist. Look up my About.com
profile, retard.
> if all th equarks are only 10 percent of the mass
> than 90 percent is ukknown!1
They're all quarks.
> have you shit head heared that there is no relativistic mass
> there is only your relativistic nazi shithead
I hear many pseudointellectual gibbers.
> now common Gisse
> a 22 years student student
> and take off your shiity mask off
> we can smell you from thousands of miles
> now that eevry one knows yiou are a 22 years shit student
I don't know who Gisse is, but I'm older.
> so you decided to change your fucen identity
> so go do your homework dont sit all day next to the computer like
> a bump parasite
> and get a degree of physaics
> disturbed imbecil
> and let anyone know:
>
> Authy = Gisse
> thesame Nazi shit
= Porat
You earlier calld me the same person as Uncle Al. Methinks you're a
senile retard.
-Aut
Sounds very closely related to the jimmy neutron =:-0
Cary
Y.Porat
----------------------
Mati is a good man, and just like you, he is fully convicted
that Israel must come first. In your case that is acceptable
whereas he who lives in the US, makes his stance odious.
So, do we see here between you 2 geriatric schmucks
an underlying issue that always surfaces between you
the Ashkenazim and him the Sephardim, them, the Seph
who lay claim to have superior Jewishness?... ahahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, guys and carry on, by all means!
ahahahaha.... ahahahanson
>
>
<map...@012.net.il> wrote in message
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thanks for the laughs
your old (as well as you senile ) buddy
ps
how about some fusion talking??
do youthink it is too late for you that you dont give a fuck
for the future energy problem ??
or may be all that is in your mind is your next glass of beer ??
are you able to contribute anything for the fusion solution??
if not
may be Matti Meron can !!!
it is onlt now that i start to understand how is it that
he can sill so long next to the computer and shit nonsense
yet thank you hansen again for the information
because from nor on i will take Matti much much less seriously.
Y.Porat
-------------------
What still interests me re particles events is the cross-section
or event occurrence/chance or possibility of this scheme:
O(16) ---> C(12) + He(4), describing the destruction of
oxygen nuclei in the atmosphere by cosmic rays
that knock an alpha particle, He(4), out of an O(16)
nucleus and leave behind a Carbon nucleus C(12).
Has that been synthesized and/or observed? If yes
then that could be an additional mechanism for the
Ozone hole: O3 ---> CO2 + He, beside the green turds'
blaming it solely onto human activities.... ahahaha...
BTW: The reverse event: C(12) + He(4) ---> O(16), IIRC,
is part of the nucleo-synthesis in the sun/stars, right?
ahahaha... ahahanson
even before i satrt readinf your post i start to laough
and while i am in it
i start to laough **with tears **
you what believe it - with thears of laughter:
you see
not all jews walk along withthe funny Yarmulkes
and long dark that were good at eastern cold Europ
so it is funny for me as well
2
dont take the Circumcicion as a joke
i think that even modern medicine apporoves it has some good reasons
of health benefits
i think i heared that even about the Aids proplem it has some advantage
and other hygienic advantages
dont forget that all muslems do it and ............ many Christains as
well!!
----------
now about your interest about fusion:
have a look at my humble home made site
and see if i acommplished something in my short life:
you can see there the Carbon oxygen trotion Deutrerium
geometric structure
and try to believ me it i s needed for the*** real Fusion***
not Tokama and not shmokamak .... (shomokamak belongs to some
'ydishkite' (:))
so :
http://www.geocities.com/porat_y/mypage.html
keep well and thanks for the laughs
Y.Porat
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