Another Nigger Gets off.
noauth
By Philip Ewing - Staff writer
Posted : Thursday Jan 28, 2010 19:59:59 EST
A Naval Academy football player is being permitted to continue as a midshipman even after testing positive for drug use, according to multiple sources and Web sites that have sprung up to criticize the decision.
Midshipman 3rd Class Marcus Curry, a star slotback and a key weapon in the team�s potent running offense, tested positive for marijuana in his system in December. According to sources with knowledge of the situation, Curry smoked a cigar packed with a mixture of pot and tobacco � also known as a �blunt� � deeply enough for the drug to show up on a random urinalysis test. But he told Naval Academy leaders he didn�t know that what he was smoking was marijuana and is being permitted to continue at Annapolis, the sources said.
Naval Academy spokesman Cmdr. Joe Carpenter said he could not comment about disciplinary matters involving midshipmen because of privacy regulations. However, in a written statement, he made clear that the letter of the law states that a sailor or mid must know he�s taking an illegal drug to run afoul of the standards:
�The Navy and Naval Academy have a �zero tolerance policy� in regards to drug use, which means that any service member who is suspected of drug use will be administratively processed for separation,� Carpenter said. �This does not mean that there is a policy of mandatory separation � only that the service member be processed for separation. However, the Navy�s illegal drug policy requires the commander to ascertain if a service member knowingly consumed an illegal drug. This aspect is one of several issues that must be established for the commander to determine if the Navy�s drug use policy was violated by a service member.�
Naval Academy administrators, including commandant Capt. Matt Klunder, recommended that Curry be expelled as a result of his violation, but Naval Academy Superintendent Vice Adm. Jeffrey Fowler decided he should stay, according to multiple sources. People with knowledge of the situation also said Curry already had three honor code violations before failing his drug test.
�This kid should�ve been kicked out a long time ago by anyone�s standards � and now he gets away with a failed drug test? It�s ridiculous,� one person told Navy Times.
Navy Times made multiple attempts to contact Curry and did not name him in an initial story posted online Wednesday to give him time to respond. But Curry said through a spokesman for the Naval Academy�s athletics department Thursday he would make no comment. Navy football coach Ken Niumatalolo referred questions to Carpenter.
Curry�s story was the latest example of what critics have said is a culture of special privilege at the Naval Academy for its star athletes, who are said to escape punishment for the same transgressions that get their classmates ejected. Many midshipmen � including even other members of the football team, according to one source � are �in an uproar� over the situation.
Since the story broke Tuesday on the naval blog �CDR Salamander,� users on the social-networking site Facebook have set up a page called �Zero Tolerance = Zero Exceptions,� devoted to criticizing the Naval Academy�s decision not to dismiss Curry, although the site also didn�t identify him. As of Thursday afternoon it had 279 members, including many midshipmen.
The creator of the page � who is not a sailor or a midshipman � told Navy Times she set it up because she has had Navy friends who have been separated for failing drug tests.
�No one is mad at him for smoking dope. It happens. People make mistakes. It happens every single day,� said Caitlin Rittelmeyer, a senior at University of San Diego who said she had many connections to the Navy and the Naval Academy through family and friends.
�But the people I know who made this mistake had to pay for it. The people I know who have stayed clean, they�ve followed the rules � and all of a sudden somebody gets away with it? It�s not fair. Nobody wants to crucify this guy. It�s just, well, these are the rules. We thought these are the rules for everyone.�
Jack Linthicum
Ray O'Hara
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 29, 2:02 am, noauth <a...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx> wrote:
> USNA in uproar over player s drug test
>
Only Army uses real students, Navy and Air Force bend their rules.
that's why Army sucks at football.
play by the rules and lose.
Jack Linthicum
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
There is also the realization by anyone accepting an appointment to
the USMA that they will have to spend some time in a combat zone.
Something the USNA USAFA do not offer.
Mark Test
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> USNA in uproar over player's drug test
>
> By Philip Ewing - Staff writer
> Posted : Thursday Jan 28, 2010 19:59:59 EST
>
> A Naval Academy football player is being permitted to continue as a
> midshipman even after testing positive for drug use, according to multiple
> sources and Web sites that have sprung up to criticize the decision.
>
> Midshipman 3rd Class Marcus Curry, a star slotback and a key weapon in the
> team's potent running offense, tested positive for marijuana in his system
> in December. According to sources with knowledge of the situation, Curry
> "blunt" - deeply enough for the drug to show up on a random urinalysis
> smoking was marijuana and is being permitted to continue at Annapolis, the
> sources said.
>
tolerance.
Jack Linthicum
> "noauth" <a...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx> wrote in message
So much for your viewpoint
Mark Test
news:lsl6m5dbq454jtp01...@4ax.com...
> "Mark Test" <rightwin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :Hmmm, he didn't know what was in a blunt? Pretty lame. So much for zero
> :tolerance.
> :
>
> Well, I rather suspect that they DIDN'T hand it to him and say, "Have
> a blunt."
>
> I also doubt it had a big yellow 'Blunt' label on it.
>
Perhaps....but a certain aroma and taste would give it away....
Maybe things have changed, but to my knowledge a CO's hands
are tied when a drug test comes back positive....but I'm only
familiar with the enlisted side.
Mark
scott s.
news:hjusbj$4sn$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> "Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:9b179420-918b-41a0...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com
> ... On Jan 29, 2:02 am, noauth <a...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx> wrote:
>> USNA in uproar over player s drug test
>>
>
> Only Army uses real students, Navy and Air Force bend their rules.
> that's why Army sucks at football.
> play by the rules and lose.
>
>
True, true, and he says he didn't know he was smoking dope. Like
I never heard that one at mast before.
scott s.
.
tankfixer
@yahoo.com says...
He couldnt smell the pot ?
Ray O'Hara
"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark Test" <rightwin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :tolerance.
> :
>
> Well, I rather suspect that they DIDN'T hand it to him and say, "Have
> a blunt."
>
> I also doubt it had a big yellow 'Blunt' label on it.
>
nobody passes a cigarette.
if the guy wasn't a star athlete he'd be out on his ass.
tankfixer
fjmc...@gmail.com says...
>
> tankfixer <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> :In article <yKE8n.9019$4p5....@newsfe22.iad>, rightwinger_2005
>
> Do YOU know what it smells like? When it's mixed with tobacco? When
> it's smoked like a cigar?
I've smelled it being smoked before..
Havn't you ?
I would expect this young man knew what pot smelled like too.
If the navies rules are like ours he should have been booted.
However the service member has the right to appeal and he obvious did.
I've seen soldiers appeal and not be seperated so it's not unheard of.
>
> Should we arrest you for such 'guilty knowledge'?
Is that a crime in your would Ray ?
Richard Casady
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Oh, just by the way, for folks who seem to think there's only one
>definition for 'blunt'..
I distinctly recall blunts from decades ago when weed was almost
unknown. The ones I saw might have been dead cheap cigars either
Roi-Tan, or White Owl, or maybe the slightly better Dutch Masters. I
would bet the beer if not the ranch, but I don't have a cigar lovers
book to look in for a cite. Yes there are two kinds of blunt.
Casady
tankfixer
> :In article <nm57m5ldo8hnv82ql...@4ax.com>,
>
> Have you smelled it being smoked when you're smoking it? No doubt
> it's different, just like cigarettes smell different when you're
> smoking and when you aren't.
Nope.. I've not smoked it myself.
Just smelled it being smoked.
>
> :
> :I would expect this young man knew what pot smelled like too.
> :
>
> He said not.
>
> :
> :If the navies rules are like ours he should have been booted.
> :However the service member has the right to appeal and he obvious did.
> :I've seen soldiers appeal and not be seperated so it's not unheard of.
> :
>
> Midshipmen do not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do.
> Therefore, if a Middie says something, you are obligated to believe
> him unless you can *prove* otherwise. If you can PROVE he is lying,
> he'll be dismissed for the lie.
>
>
> :>
> :> Should we arrest you for such 'guilty knowledge'?
> :>
> :
> :Is that a crime in your would Ray ?
> :
>
> Do I need to come over there and kick your ass up around your ears so
> you remember who I am, Paul?
You were acting like ray.. my bad.
Richard Casady
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Mark Test" <rightwin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>:
>:Hmmm, he didn't know what was in a blunt? Pretty lame. So much for zero
>:tolerance.
>:
>
>Well, I rather suspect that they DIDN'T hand it to him and say, "Have
>a blunt."
>
>I also doubt it had a big yellow 'Blunt' label on it.
Fred I strongly suspect you right and I strongly suspect he knew it
was weed and he thought he could get away with it because he was a
star athlete. I sure looks likes he was right. I have actually see
packages of cheap segars that said blunt on the package, but never the
segar. It would have been the cheapest of all White Owls or Roi-Tans,
or maybe the slightly better Dutch Masters. You know the kind of drug
and grocery crap I am talking about. Considering how stupid the guy
obviously was it is discouraging that the Navy was so eager to beat
Army that they would give an utter fool a regular commission and a
twenty years to fuck everyone in the Navy just by being there. I
suspect that Army is just as bad but I wasn't in either I was in the
USAF. I don't think they are _quite_ as bad as the Navy on the grounds
that Air Force athletics always suck. Well suckshit USAF athletics are
OK by me. Their job is to kill and injure people and destroy property,
not beat college teams at football. Or am I missing something obvious?
Whatever happened to they place that turned out Dudley [ Mush ]
Morton, USNA 35. Medal of Honor, Machinegunner of lifeboats? Two
officers that served with him wrote books that were in the junior high
library. I would just bet that politically incorrect stuff is gone
from there. Can't have the Japs feeling bad because Pearl Harbor was
such a dumb move. Of course the USNA is going down the shitter. What
isn't?
I typed up a few Undesirable Discharges for weed, one guy caught with
less than 10mg in a pocket. They vacuumed the pocket, put the lint
under a microscope, testified it was weed, and sent him from the Canal
Zone to Charleston for me to type up the kickout. He was an aircraft
mechanic, not a star athlete. I happened to know someone very well who
passed the commercial pilot check ride and the instrument ride both
while high on weed. Guy was too afraid of flying to get in the
airplane without it, and he loved it too much to give it up. But
whatever. Guy retired from flying with any drug or alcohol related
crashes. Of course back then is was legal to drink while flying, among
other things that have changed. I have actually seen a little kid get
on an airliner with a gun. I guess times have changed, and not for the
better. Actually thats not so. To quote Chuck Yaeger about the USAF '
We all drank like fish ' . That that is no longer tolerated has to be
a change for the better. And a profession military instead of cheap
expendable conscript slaves might be an improvement. After all we want
pros who will slaughter US civilians without limit if ordered. I heard
the Army is forming a special unit for that. Tell me its just a rumor.
Please.
Casady
Richard Casady
When I was typing the kickouts for possession of weed, there was no
drug test for it. The art of analytical chemistry was not up to it in
the sixties. They were, however, totally merciless. 10 milligrams or
less in the pocket lint, out with an Undesirable Discharge. I typed
the papers and read that guys case file after he was gone. I am not
bragging, but I am glad I remembered wished him luck as he hit the
hallway with tears in his eyes. They didn't pay me to be merciless,
that job was far above my paygrade. He said he never smoked a puff in
his life, and I believed him. Of course, it was impossible for me to
ever hear about it, if they cut someone some slack, I only met the
guys that got hammered, and I heard they were totally merciless. Not
having commanded everyone who ever served in the USAF, I don't know
for sure. If you don't ask me about the gays, I won't tell. I didn't
enjoy typing kickouts, but I wasn't there for fun, I was there to
avoid dragging a machine gun through a rice paddy with
Non Christian Gomers Who Didn't Speak English [TM] shooting at me with
their Communist Guns [TM]. USAF was full of guys there for that very
reason. The USAF killed about million Gomers about the time I was in,
and I am still alive. I outlived Ho Chi Minh and LBJ, but then I
didn't fly combat over North Viet Nam, which was the only really
dangerous job in the USAF. Hauling nukes to Russia in a B-52 would
have been even more dangerous, but nobody ever had to do it. Well no
chance we will ever nuke a Russian with a B-52 freefall bomb. If it
comes to that we will use long range missiles, which give ours guys a
slight chance to survive, instead of no chance whatever. Of course, I
never heard any of those guys say they expected to live forever, but
lots of them smoked like chimneys and drank like fish. The military
has wised up about that last, somewhat, since I was in more that 40
years ago.
Casady
Richard Casady
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Do YOU know what it smells like? When it's mixed with tobacco? When
>it's smoked like a cigar?
>
>Should we arrest you for such 'guilty knowledge'?
I am more than sixty years old and I have known what weed smells like
since Feb 69. I smoked my first cigar before that. I have never,
smelled a weed loaded cigar, but I have a fair idea what one probably
smells like. Anyone two ignorant to know what weed smells like has no
business in the military, let alone the USNA. We need good smart
people, not lying sack of shit fools, who happen to be good athletes.
Myself, I am such a limited athlete that I am simply incapable of
marching in formation without being an eyesore. First Wentworth
Military Academy hammered me savagely for it and then the military
hammered me for it but they both eventually wised up and got off my
case. USAF made me a road guard, because they don't march, they run,
or stand and I could do that. Never let it be said that all boot camp
instructors are heartless. I forget, when I was in HS I was a nearly
perfect breaststroke swimmer. I couldn't make the team because I
couldn't beat the state champion, a nice guy name Barry. I was also
good enough with a sailboat to teach it at a summer camp and that is
athletic or geriatric depending on the boat. Do we really need druggie
fools that happened to be athletes in the Regular Officer Corp?Should
I have asked the USNA for a chess scholarship just because I could
have, at the time, beaten at least 99% of the guys in the Army. Or the
Air Force.
I thought: so what. I feel the same way about football which I loath,
and baseball which I love. Both are so what, in the military. The
military is supposed to kill and destroy not play sports. None of the
virtues of athletics require you to be good, just in shape, and a team
player. Intramural's are what the school needs. Some nuts in the Navy
think that beating Army at football is a recruiting tool, when
obviously that is only a recruiting tool for football players. I think
the incomparable Mush Morton, USS Wahoo, USNA 35, Medal of Honor,
machine gunner of lifeboats, was a good athlete but I am pretty sure
he wasn't there on an athletic schlorship. Of course you know he is
still on patrol. I think someone found the boat. If they really want a
recruiting tool, they should spend some money and put Morton in
Arlington. They Jarheads[TM] are part of the Navy and they brag that
they never abandon their dead. He has more business there that that
crew killer JFK. K is supposed to be a hero for getting his boat
destroyed, but I never bought it for one moment since even before he
made the whitehouse. You see, he never hurt a Jap, or damaged a bit of
Jap property, except for the paint on the bow of the can that ran him
down. He published a book, ghost written, called Profiles in Courage.
He was courageous enough to take a torpedo boat and play chicken with
a torpedo boat destroyer. I do not admire that. He published a book,
ghost written called P-109 in which he bragged about his courage and
skill. The American public ate it up and elected him. Arlington is for
warriors not politicians. Ask the former owner, Robert E Lee, if you
can find him.
Only death saved him from being as hated as Nixon.
Rant mode off.
Casady
Richard Casady
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Richard Casady <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>:On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:18:50 -0700, Fred J. McCall
>:
>
>You should have left the link I put in. It explained that it is
>primarily a *cigar* term for a particular type of cigar.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunt_(cigar)
You are right, but I hate chasing links with a dial-up connection. And
I really don't really trust wiki much, although they are right this
time. I found out about blunts with weed the hard way. My late stepson
used them. He also used beer, and when he hit a parked car drunk and
was left alone in a cell for fifteen minutes, he killed himself. The
kid loved getting arrested by campus cops for trespass with a
skateboard. He loved Juvenile Hall. I went with his mother to pick him
up there and he was laughing and bragging and having his fun, and he
didn't believe me when I told him I had been in real jail and he
wouldn't like it. He didn't believe me and it cost him his life. I
have quit kicking myself for not convincing him he really didn't want
jail, because his mother told he was beyond help by anyone. My other
stepson, I talked into quitting a fast food job and going for
apprentice electrian. Iowa is a leader in windmills, 5% of the juice
from wind, and he has wired them up. Two megawatts, five man days to
hook one up. He now has a dream job, State Fair, almost unlimited time
off. He tells me he always wanted a dad and I am it. He changed his
name to Casady. My stepdaughter steals pain meds from cancer
patients. One out of three isn't bad, at least I have to believe it. I
wish I had never hear of a blunt of any kind or any other kind of
tobacco, since smoking got me cancer of the mouth. I managed to quit
after it was rather too late. So it goes. I can't complain, I knew
better before my first puff, but I fell in love. Same with beer. I
knew it was a killer, and I fell in love at first sip.
Yeah Fred, I should have followed the link, but blunts are a really
really really sore subject, as I am sure you can understand. No
sympathy wanted, let alone expected, of course.
Casady
Dennis
> On Jan 29, 12:17�pm, "Mark Test" <rightwinger_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "noauth" <a...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx> wrote in message
>>
Why isn't anyone commenting on the OP's racial slur?
Dennis
Jack Linthicum
They think it is accurate. There are people who want to live in the
glorious 50s when such talk was normal. They didn't then, but want to
now. It's like those re-creation groups. "Gee, I wish Hitler was still
around. I need someone to tell me what to do."
Richard Casady
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Richard Casady <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>:On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:49:19 -0700, Fred J. McCall
>:<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>:
>:>"Mark Test" <rightwin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>:>
>:>:
>:>:Hmmm, he didn't know what was in a blunt? Pretty lame. So much for zero
>:>:tolerance.
>:>:
>:>
>:>Well, I rather suspect that they DIDN'T hand it to him and say, "Have
>:>a blunt."
>:>
>:>I also doubt it had a big yellow 'Blunt' label on it.
>:
>:Fred I strongly suspect you right and I strongly suspect he knew it
>:was weed and he thought he could get away with it because he was a
>:star athlete.
>:
>
>Would YOU know what you were being handed?
>
>:
>:I
>:suspect that Army is just as bad but I wasn't in either I was in the
>:USAF. I don't think they are _quite_ as bad as the Navy on the grounds
>:that Air Force athletics always suck.
>:
>
>That's really quite funny. Zoomy U was one of the powerhouses in the
>Western Athletic Conference and finished second on the nation (missing
>first by one game) in 1985. It was always an article of faith with us
>that USAF could recruit people the other services couldn't, since they
>could stuff them into missile silos or some such where you just need
>to be able to sit on your ass.
I used to sort the mail and answer the phone for about a thousand USAF
student missile launch officers. I don't recall any athletes. I recall
one student who got an article 15 for trying to shoplift a Browning
A-5 semiauto shotgun and those things are about four feet long.
You would have to be the size of Refrigerator Perry to hide one under
your jacket, and the guy was nothing special for size. It took many
weeks for those guys to learn how to sit on their asses and turn a key
if so ordered. Not so easy to slaughter millions of childen. A former
Soviet nuclear warrior told me that, and I believe it.; My uncle the
former USAF nuclear warrior also told me the same thing. He didn't
mind killing at least a hundred helpless truck drivers who were
chained to the steering wheels and had no chance. If they couldn't
take a joke they should have stayed off the Ho Chi Minh Trail. His
plane collected lots of bullet holes, but a WWII bomber is mostly air.
>Zoomy U has won the Commander In Chief's Trophy (invented by USAF) in
>1982, 1983, 1985, 1987, 1989-1995, 1997-2002.
I had no idea. The only sport I am a fan of minor league baseball. I
quit going to the park when they banned outdoor smoking. The team
owner is a known nut who got fired from a big network TV news job for
fraud.He tried to fuck up the Des Moines Register, the #2 Pulitzer
paper, more than 25 last time I checked about 25 years ago, after the
NY Times. The paper wasn't broke and he tried to fix it and he didn't
last. The ball club wasn't broke either. I refuse to give him a penny.
If cig smoke is dangerous diluted more than trillions to one, than how
is it possible to survive a single toke. It is supposed to be millions
of times as deadly as cyanide or nerve gas. I refuse to buy it. How
can anyone who ever passed a math course of any kind, grade school
even, believe that crap for even a second? But smokers buy his
tickets, like sheep. I liked the ballgames, but not enough to give my
dough to a total asshole. The only sport I was ever really good at was
the breaststroke. I couldn't make the team because I couldn't beat the
state champion. Couple of seconds too slow, and had to pick up my
marbles and go home. So perhaps it is understandable that I am not
much of a sports fan.
>
>So tell us all again how it's Army and Navy 'cheating'. Yet, oddly,
>it seems like it's Army that is at the bottom of the pile recently.
I didn't call it cheating, just not in the best interests of the Navy
or the American people. Legal and stupid like so many things.
There a few Olympic sports with actual military or naval relevance.
Cannon ball throwing. Spear throwing. Guns. Swords, Small boats.
Football isn't one of them, but it is a big deal at all the service
academys. I thought It was slight less so with the AIr Force, but I
was seem to have been mistaken.
><idiocy elided - yeah, you actually got STUPIDER than what you wrote
>above>
You are famous for dishonest snipping. Fuck you very much, I hope die
a protracted and painful death and soon.
Casady
Richard Casady
<raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> nobody passes a cigarette.
>if the guy wasn't a star athlete he'd be out on his ass.
What cigarette? The smoke under discussion was a loaded cigar.
Casady
Richard Casady
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>So you don't actually know if you'd be able to tell what you were
>smoking if someone handed you a 'blunt' or not. It would presumably
>smell different when smoked that way, just as tobacco smells different
>when smoked in cigars.
For what it is worth, hashish tastes and smells nothing at all like
weed. It does show up exactly the same on a drug test. By their rules
the Academy is supposed to take a midshipmans word until they can
prove he lied at with point he gets the boot. They haven't proven
beyond any doubt the he lied, not yet at least. I spent a year at a
military school. Alcohol 1st time, out for the rest of the term. 2nd,
out for good. Stealing, no slack whatever. one of my very few friends,
a guy in the room next door, got kicked out forever for stealing an
inch of magnesium ribbon from the chem lab and lighting it and
dropping it out the window during study hour. It was worth less than a
nickel. I have actually seen military style no tolerance in action. He
wasn't a star athlete. The Navy and the guy both piss me off.
Casady
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:23:05 -0700, Fred J. McCall
>
>
>
> >Richard Casady <richardcas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >:On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:49:19 -0700, Fred J. McCall
> >:
Funny, I got a book in 1943 or so that showed how some great battle in
WWII had been based on football. How times change, like that "Hail
Mary" move in the First (or Second) Gulf War. Teamwork and mutual
support is what football teaches, to those capable of listening.
Arved Sandstrom
> Jack Linthicum wrote:
>
[ SNIP ]
> Why isn't anyone commenting on the OP's racial slur?
>
> Dennis
The OP is hiding behind a "noauth" nickname. He's probably not reading
this thread, having successfully posted another article with racist
motivations. In fact he probably cross-posted to yet other groups (the
guy is a known quantity). It goes without saying for the huge majority
of posters here on SMN that we saw the title and didn't like it.
However, and I can only speak for myself, I don't think we live in so
much of a PC, Stalinist group-think society - yet - that we all have to
do a ritual criticism of wrong words just to cover our asses.
Putting it another way, if someone who doesn't know me chooses to
believe that a lack of denunciation of racist terms on my part indicates
my acceptance of those terms, that's their problem and not mine. As it
happens I choose my battles. If someone in my presence uses the N-word
I'll have something to say about it, face to face. But I'm not going to
waste my time with an anonymous asshole on Usenet.
Having said that, the posted article itself is _not_ racist. It's even
OT, since it talks about the USNA. And we're all discussing the article
content.
AHS
Jack Linthicum
The OP seems to be able to post in Romanian too.
tankfixer
tsalagi...@hotmail.com says...
BEcause the slur is expected from mouth breathers..
They talk big on USENET..
Drop them in the west side of Baltimore...
David V. Loewe, Jr
wrote:
>"Mark Test" <rightwin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>:Hmmm, he didn't know what was in a blunt? Pretty lame. So much for zero
>:tolerance.
>Well, I rather suspect that they DIDN'T hand it to him and say, "Have
>a blunt."
>
>I also doubt it had a big yellow 'Blunt' label on it.
What I'm seeing on the Naval MilBlogs is that this guy has a history of
honor violations and demerits. I don't pretend to have all the
evidence, but what I have seen doesn't look good for him or the Academy.
--
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you
meet."
- General James N. Mattis
David V. Loewe, Jr
Dudley Morton was not a recipient of the Medal of Honor.
>machine gunner of lifeboats, was a good athlete but I am pretty sure
>he wasn't there on an athletic schlorship. Of course you know he is
>still on patrol. I think someone found the boat. If they really want a
>recruiting tool, they should spend some money and put Morton in
>Arlington. They Jarheads[TM] are part of the Navy and they brag that
>they never abandon their dead. He has more business there that that
>crew killer JFK. K is supposed to be a hero for getting his boat
>destroyed, but I never bought it for one moment since even before he
>made the whitehouse. You see, he never hurt a Jap, or damaged a bit of
>Jap property, except for the paint on the bow of the can that ran him
>down. He published a book, ghost written, called Profiles in Courage.
>He was courageous enough to take a torpedo boat and play chicken with
>a torpedo boat destroyer. I do not admire that. He published a book,
>ghost written called P-109 in which he bragged about his courage and
>skill. The American public ate it up and elected him. Arlington is for
>warriors not politicians. Ask the former owner, Robert E Lee, if you
>can find him.
>
>Only death saved him from being as hated as Nixon.
>
>Rant mode off.
--
"...you know, it seems to me you suffer from the problem of
wanting a tailored fit in an off the rack world."
Dennis Juds
Mark Test
news:94067203-7c62-41b0...@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com...
Funny. That's how your typical liberal thinks....they need govt
to tell them what to eat, what medical test to get, where to
work, etc., Hitler was also a socialist (nazi party were socialists)
where the left resides.
As for the racial slur I simply chose to ignore it. Free speech is still
a right, isn't it?
Mark
Mark Test
news:nsq6m5pnkuig0466e...@4ax.com...
> "Mark Test" <rightwin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message> :> :
> :> :Hmmm, he didn't know what was in a blunt? Pretty lame. So much for
> zero
> :> :tolerance.
> :> :
> :>
> :> Well, I rather suspect that they DIDN'T hand it to him and say, "Have
> :> a blunt."
> :>
> :> I also doubt it had a big yellow 'Blunt' label on it.
> :
> :Perhaps....but a certain aroma and taste would give it away....
> :
>
> Only if you already knew what pot tasted and smelled like and even
> then the cigar tobacco on the outside would change the flavour and
> odour.
>
> :
> :Maybe things have changed, but to my knowledge a CO's hands
> :are tied when a drug test comes back positive....but I'm only
> :familiar with the enlisted side.
>
> A CO's hands are *never* tied. If you're wearing a Command Pin in the
> Navy, you have all sorts of discretionary power.
>
> Being 'dosed' isn't a violation of the drug policy. You have to KNOW
> you're using drugs....
>
> Oh, just by the way, for folks who seem to think there's only one
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunt_(cigar)
>
>
Thanks for the gouge.... Many a kid at mast has stated the
same thing... To my knowledge a positive drug test means
automatic discharge (CO's hands tied). Now, the type of
discharge and how much time the sailor can still serve
is up to the CO..... We had one guy that smoked pot so he
would be discharged.....the CO decided to take his time
(has up to 2 years to charge)....the sailor did some brig time
while the paperwork was being processed....showed
others that it would not be a quick discharge.
Mark
Jack Linthicum
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
You need a dictionary, badly. Hitler weren't left.
Chris
wrote:
You have many facts wrong. I feel that I must highlight a few of them:
> I think
> the incomparable Mush Morton, USS Wahoo, USNA 35, Medal of Honor,
> machine gunner of lifeboats, was a good athlete but I am pretty sure
> he wasn't there on an athletic schlorship.
Dudley "Mush" Morton graduated from the USNA in 1930, and never won
the Medal of Honor, almost certainly because he machine gunned some
lifeboats. (Compare Wahoo's exploits to Harder or Barb's, say, and it
appears to me that Kane is right,
[Re: JFK]
> He published a book,
> ghost written called P-109 in which he bragged about his courage and
> skill.
The only two books that I am aware of written about PT-109 are
credited to Robert J. Donovan and Richard Tregaskis, and both were
published *after* JFK was elected president, not before (one in 1962,
the other in 1966). If you can find evidence for a book written by JFK
about his war experiences I would appreciate you citing it.
Chris Manteuffel
But please, don't let facts
Dennis
>: Why isn't anyone commenting on the OP's racial slur?
>
> Because it's too stupidly fucktarded to warrant comment.
And that's the best comment of all.
Dennis
Arved Sandstrom
> "Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:94067203-7c62-41b0...@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com...
>> They think it is accurate. There are people who want to live in the
>> glorious 50s when such talk was normal. They didn't then, but want to
>> now. It's like those re-creation groups. "Gee, I wish Hitler was still
>> around. I need someone to tell me what to do."
>
> Funny. That's how your typical liberal thinks....they need govt
> to tell them what to eat, what medical test to get, where to
> work, etc., Hitler was also a socialist (nazi party were socialists)
> where the left resides.
[ SNIP ]
Just about the only country in the world where your blanket statement
about "liberals" makes a certain amount of sense is the US of A. And
only for the past few decades at that. This may strike you as
surprising, but your small-c conservative beliefs are espoused most
strongly by _liberals_ in a number of other countries.
But I think we've had this conversation before. :-) Rule of thumb: avoid
labels. They are almost always too general and usually wrong.
AHS
Arved Sandstrom
> :
>
> And you're a liar engaging in yet another Stupid Usenet Tricks 101
> tactic.
[ SNIP ]
Well, you _are_ famous for dishonest snipping. But hell, maybe dozens of
people are all wrong, and you're right.
AHS
tutall
>
> And you're acting like an ignorant fuckwit in making such remarks.
> Again, your bad.
>
Complete and utter bullshit Fred, the man knew what he was smoking.
Young men don't pass around cigars to each other. Why you are so hell
bent on defending a stranger like this and abusing people you know is
beyond strange.
He's guilty and you know it, no ifs ands or blunts.
tutall
> tutall <tut...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> :On Jan 29, 10:02 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> :Complete and utter bullshit Fred, the man knew what he was smoking.
> :Young men don't pass around cigars to each other. Why you are so hell
> :bent on defending a stranger like this and abusing people you know is
> :beyond strange.
> :
>
> As is the need to post from behind a 'sock puppet' in order to
> mischaracterize what I've said.
>
Now I am reminded why I mix you and Ray O'Hara for each other so
often.
Richard Casady
<an...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx> wrote:
>USNA in uproar over player�s drug test
>
>By Philip Ewing - Staff writer
>Posted : Thursday Jan 28, 2010 19:59:59 EST
>
>A Naval Academy football player is being permitted to continue as a midshipman even after testing positive for drug use, according to multiple sources and Web sites that have sprung up to criticize the decision.
>
>Midshipman 3rd Class Marcus Curry, a star slotback and a key weapon in the team�s potent running offense, tested positive for marijuana in his system in December. According to sources with knowledge of the situation, Curry smoked a cigar packed with a mixture of pot and tobacco � also known as a �blunt� � deeply enough for the drug to show up on a random urinalysis test. But he told Naval Academy leaders he didn�t know that what he was smoking was marijuana and is being permitted to continue at Annapolis, the sources said.
>
>Naval Academy spokesman Cmdr. Joe Carpenter said he could not comment about disciplinary matters involving midshipmen because of privacy regulations. However, in a written statement, he made clear that the letter of the law states that a sailor or mid must know he�s taking an illegal drug to run afoul of the standards:
>
>�The Navy and Naval Academy have a �zero tolerance policy� in regards to drug use, which means that any service member who is suspected of drug use will be administratively processed for separation,� Carpenter said. �This does not mean that there is a policy of mandatory separation � only that the service member be processed for separation. However, the Navy�s illegal drug policy requires the commander to ascertain if a service member knowingly consumed an illegal drug. This aspect is one of several issues that must be established for the commander to determine if the Navy�s drug use policy was violated by a service member.�
>
>Naval Academy administrators, including commandant Capt. Matt Klunder, recommended that Curry be expelled as a result of his violation, but Naval Academy Superintendent Vice Adm. Jeffrey Fowler decided he should stay, according to multiple sources. People with knowledge of the situation also said Curry already had three honor code violations before failing his drug test.
>
>�This kid should�ve been kicked out a long time ago by anyone�s standards � and now he gets away with a failed drug test? It�s ridiculous,� one person told Navy Times.
>
>Navy Times made multiple attempts to contact Curry and did not name him in an initial story posted online Wednesday to give him time to respond. But Curry said through a spokesman for the Naval Academy�s athletics department Thursday he would make no comment. Navy football coach Ken Niumatalolo referred questions to Carpenter.
>
>Curry�s story was the latest example of what critics have said is a culture of special privilege at the Naval Academy for its star athletes, who are said to escape punishment for the same transgressions that get their classmates ejected. Many midshipmen � including even other members of the football team, according to one source � are �in an uproar� over the situation.
>
>Since the story broke Tuesday on the naval blog �CDR Salamander,� users on the social-networking site Facebook have set up a page called �Zero Tolerance = Zero Exceptions,� devoted to criticizing the Naval Academy�s decision not to dismiss Curry, although the site also didn�t identify him. As of Thursday afternoon it had 279 members, including many midshipmen.
>
>The creator of the page � who is not a sailor or a midshipman � told Navy Times she set it up because she has had Navy friends who have been separated for failing drug tests.
>
>�No one is mad at him for smoking dope. It happens. People make mistakes. It happens every single day,� said Caitlin Rittelmeyer, a senior at University of San Diego who said she had many connections to the Navy and the Naval Academy through family and friends.
>
>�But the people I know who made this mistake had to pay for it. The people I know who have stayed clean, they�ve followed the rules � and all of a sudden somebody gets away with it? It�s not fair. Nobody wants to crucify this guy. It�s just, well, these are the rules. We thought these are the rules for everyone.�
Of course it isn't fair, becuase fair does not exist. It is wishful
thinking that is almost impossible to avoid.
I don't particularly care for either blacks or calling them Nigger.
On the other hand I really don't care all that much one way or the
other.
That said, it remains to be seen if he gets away with it, as Yogi
Berra said, It ain't over till its over, and it ain't over. I do
strongly suspect the man is scum, but is not yet actually proven by
USNA rules. We are allowed to hope he gets hammered, and I do.
Casady
Mark Test
news:wN49n.61669$Db2.53244@edtnps83...
It seems like only yesterday where the cry on the left was
"never trust govt" and "never trust anyone over 30"... Now these
are heard on the right.....
Mark
Richard Casady
I read it on the net I suppose. It is about fifty years since I read
the books by men who served with him.
Richard Casady
wrote:
I have heard of RT. The book I remember was ' PT 109 '
My memory is shot. I will stand by the general principles of my post.
Three of K's notable military exploits were the Bay of Pigs, the
Vietnam War, and the totally unnecessary Cuban Missile Crisis. He
doesn't belong in Arlington. He did not seem to understand war.
Truman is not there nor DDE, LBJ, Nixon, Reagan to name a few who died
in my lifetime. His only qualification for that place is murder victim
and military service. It isn't much. most or all of the other ones
mentioned are also ex military. Burial at military expense should be
for enlisted men whose family cannot afford a private plat, not
millionaires
Casady
Richard Casady
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>tutall <tut...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>:On Jan 29, 10:02�pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>:
>:>
>:> And you're acting like an ignorant fuckwit in making such remarks.
>:> Again, your bad.
>:>
>:
>:Complete and utter bullshit Fred, the man knew what he was smoking.
>:Young men don't pass around cigars to each other. Why you are so hell
>:bent on defending a stranger like this and abusing people you know is
>:beyond strange.
>:
>
>As is the need to post from behind a 'sock puppet' in order to
>mischaracterize what I've said.
>
>Where'd I 'defend' anyone? You *have to* take a Midshipman's word
>unless you have CONCRETE proof.
True at many military schools private and government. I believe
ringknockers get to lie like ROTC men, once they graduate. I figure
the more the commission cost the gov, the higher the standard to which
they should be held. Value for money. Bit impractical perhaps. Me I
started my first USAF job with 15 minutes OJT, but I sure as hell
wasn't held to USNA standards. I wore the uniform and said sir and
saluted. That was about it for military behavior. Lucky for me.
>:
>:He's guilty and you know it, no ifs ands or blunts.
He may have done something, but he isn't guilt until authority so
rules. Serial killers and pedophiles get the presumption of innocence,
and so should he.
>Once again proving that anyone closing an argument with "and you know
>it" realizes that their position is intellectually bankrupt and rests
>on nothing more than their own mouth.
Usually. Nearly always. I have seen it on the end of a poorly written
good argument.
If he was drunk on his butt, not an automatic kickout, as far as I
know, he could have smoked almost anything and not smelled or tasted
much of anything wrong nor felt much different. I have been there. It
wasn't quite as obvious as a needle, a joint, or a hashpipe. It was
supposed to have been at a party, there must have been booze if there
was weed.
You can drive and fly on weed, but not alcohol. Ironic. When I did
both, weed had a positive effect. on my skeet scores. I was high for
the best day with a gun I ever had. I was high when I passed a
commercial pilots flight test. I was high when I raced a Mercedes
Industrial tractor in a semi tractor dirt track race. Flat out every
inch. I had 4wd and dirt tires.
I met a man who flew a combat mission slightly drunk. He was partying
hard when they cancelled the stand down and put him on the board for a
dawn sortie. He said he got away with it, but said it wasn't really
recommended. I am sure still slightly drunk is better than a savage
hangover, but less legal. I hear they don't drink as hard these days,
a better deal all around.
When I got my pilots licences, there was no rule about alcohol in your
blood, or in a glass in your hand in the cockpit. It was your ass if
you had a booze related accident. A drink with a long lunch was rather
common. Two drinks was rare.
They sea going Navy has been dry for 90 years, at least officially.
Not a place for incorrigable party hounds. The middies are mostly too
young to drink when recruited are they not? I am having less sympathy
for the man as I think about that. He really shouldn't have been too
drunk to tell weed from tobacco. Weed may be the universal automatic
kickout, but drunkeness can get you fired as well, at least these
days. The only kickout I typed for booze was a drunk driver who hit a
bridge and killed the passenger. Big Chicken Dinner mailed to the SC
state pen. There may be double jeopardy involved, but it could have
been the killing downtown and conduct unbecoming on base. I didn't
have time to read the case file, and I never spoke to the man, so I
wasn't sure of all the details then, let alone forty years later.
There was a chapter and paragraph for alcoholism, but many drank like
fish without even a dirty look. If the work entended to happy hour, I
sometimes drank at my desk. Beer at the NCO club next door and the
boss would fetch it. A beer or two doesn't affect my typing, it sucks
too bad for it to matter. Drinking on duty was legal, after all you
were theoretically on duty 24/365. Just don't screw up. There was a
war and the USAF was full of one term draft dodgers, and we were
written off at the gitgo. They tried not to torment the pathetic
cannon fodder too much. I never dragged a machine gun through a VC
infested rice paddy so I was almost happy with the service. When my
kid brother got his Navy ROTC commission I walked up to him afterward,
and he said: 'I got a lock, never see a bullet'. The only bullets I
ever saw were in my stateside guard duty gun. A couple of my high
school classmates came home in boxes after they got drafted.Subs aside
the Navy was safer than the army in WWII and as always you slept in a
bunk and not the mud, and ate food instead of field rations. During
Viet Nam the Navy and USAF were pretty safe except for the pilots. The
only scratches and bruises I got were when I dropped my bike on a wet
steel parking lot. I was in a hurry, but I got to work on time,
bleeding only a little bit. Business was utterly dead so they just
said to take all the time I needed for bandaids and a new uniform. No
ass chewing for being awkward, I typed about seven words a minute
fachrissake. It sure as hell wasn't the USNA, where I would have
lasted about ten seconds. As a draft dodge it was more honorable than
Canada and more fun than prison. Those were the days.
Casady
Arved Sandstrom
Just goes to show. :-) And if using "left" and "right", which do not
correspond to "liberal" and "conservative" as a rule, except in specific
countries at specific times, there are plenty of examples of "right"
regimes where the government was large and monolithic.
The fastest way of getting wrapped around the axle in politically-tinged
debates is for folks to classify themselves and others with the really
vague terms like liberal, conservative, left-wing and right-wing. These
are so meaningless that they can in fact mean anything, and usually do.
Your position - smaller (small) government, reduced spending etc - is
easy to state, and totally avoids ambiguity. If everyone did that, IOW
thought through their positions and stated *those*, we'd have much more
clarity in debate.
AHS
Jack Linthicum
> >news:wN49n.61669$Db2.53244@edtnps83...
> >> Mark Test wrote:
When closely questioned the "small" government people just want other
peoples' government smaller, don't take my subsidies, cut my taxes,
make those other bums pay their share, that highway in an other place
is a waste, don't take my Medicare.
Mark Test
Like Arved said....generalizations don't work. I for one support
reductions (at least freezes in social security and medicare), cut
taxes for everyone (and watch revenues grow), eliminate subsidies,
and encourage people to work, save, and invest for retirement, not
to become reliant on government.
Mark
Jack Linthicum
Obviously no relatives dependent upon Social Security and/or Medicare.
Cut taxes how?, and who will hire these people so they can work save
and invest. Lately that invest thing has been a loser.
David V. Loewe, Jr
He was President. I'm definitely not a member of the cult of JFK, but a
President who served in a war deserves to be buried there if that is his
(or, as in his case, his heirs') wish.
>It isn't much. most or all of the other ones mentioned are also
>ex military. Burial at military expense should be for enlisted men
>whose family cannot afford a private plat, not millionaires
I disagree.
Moreover, I'm pretty sure that the other Presidents you mentioned had
much, if not all, of the expenses paid for by the government. Nixon was
transported on a VC-137C by the Air Force from the New York area to El
Toro MCAS. Reagan was flown to DC for a state funeral and then back to
California on a VC-25A. LBJ also had a state funeral as did another
President you don't mention - Gerald Ford.
--
"Whenever you show anger or disgust toward [Iraqi] civilians, it's a
victory for Al Qaeda and other insurgents."
David V. Loewe, Jr
<jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Jan 30, 6:58�am, Dennis <tsalagi18NOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Jack Linthicum wrote:
>> > On Jan 29, 12:17 pm, "Mark Test" <rightwinger_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> "noauth" <a...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx> wrote in message
>>
>> >> > USNA in uproar over player's drug test
>>
>> >> > By Philip Ewing - Staff writer
>> >> > Posted : Thursday Jan 28, 2010 19:59:59 EST
>>
>> >> > A Naval Academy football player is being permitted to continue as a
>> >> > midshipman even after testing positive for drug use, according to
>> >> > multiple
>> >> > sources and Web sites that have sprung up to criticize the
>> >> > decision.
>>
>> >> > Midshipman 3rd Class Marcus Curry, a star slotback and a key weapon
>> >> > in the
>> >> > team's potent running offense, tested positive for marijuana in his
>> >> > system
>> >> > in December. According to sources with knowledge of the situation,
>> >> > Curry
>> >> > smoked a cigar packed with a mixture of pot and tobacco - also
>> >> > known as �a
>> >> > "blunt" - deeply enough for the drug to show up on a random
>> >> > urinalysis test. But he told Naval Academy leaders he didn't know
>> >> > that what he was smoking was marijuana and is being permitted to
>> >> > continue at Annapolis, the sources said.
>>
>> >> Hmmm, he didn't know what was in a blunt? Pretty lame. So much for
>> >> zero tolerance.
>>
>> > So much for your viewpoint
>>
>> � � � � Why isn't anyone commenting on the OP's racial slur? �
>They think it is accurate. There are people who want to live in the
>glorious 50s when such talk was normal. They didn't then, but want to
>now. It's like those re-creation groups. "Gee, I wish Hitler was still
>around. I need someone to tell me what to do."
I was unaware that any sane person didn't know that the OP used an
offensive racial slur.
That you believe that not commenting denotes approval shows just what an
idiot you are.
--
"I thought that you might have some advice to give ...
On how to be... Insensitive."
- Jann Arden
Jack Linthicum
Oh!
Jeffrey Hamilton
Arved, well deserved as it is, you should probably repeat _this_ post, when
you are out of Fred's killfile ! It can't be too long now, I'm sure.
cheers.....Jeff
Jack Linthicum
I wondered where you got what you called ideas. Nother Texican with
some concept that politicians can survive without Social Security.
Remember what happened to the stock market right after Bush came up
with the idea of privatizing Social Security in the stock market.
Pssst.
Rep. Hensarling Advocates Cutting Benefits And Privatizing Social
Security
Rachel Slajda | February 1, 2010, 6:02PM
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) appeared on Hardball tonight and advocated
balancing the budget by privatizing Social Security and cutting
benefits for those now under 55.
"You can get better health care and better retirement security if you
go to a defined contribution plan. We had this debate in Social
Security a few years ago," Hensarling said.
A "defined contribution plan" is a technical term for a privatized
plan.
"Are those under 55 ... gonna get the same deal as their parents? No,
probably not," he said.
Throughout the interview, the congressman said Social Security
benefits should be kept the same for those already receiving them, or
those over 55.
"You mean cut Social Security benefits as a way of balancing the
budget," Chris Matthews said.
Hensarling rejected Matthews' wording, but continued to call for
privatization and reduced benefits for those under 55.
Peter Skelton
Why, it isn't as if Fred hasn't heard the same often.
Peter Skelton
Dennis
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:03:25 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
I think Jack was commenting on what idiots visit here sometimes.
Yes, we know "Do not feed the troll." But what am I doing right now?
I oughta know better...
Dennis
David Loewe, Jr.
>David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:03:25 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
>> wrote:
>>>On Jan 30, 6:58�am, Dennis <tsalagi18NOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> � � � � Why isn't anyone commenting on the OP's racial slur? �
>>
>>>They think it is accurate. There are people who want to live in the
>>>glorious 50s when such talk was normal. They didn't then, but want to
>>>now. It's like those re-creation groups. "Gee, I wish Hitler was still
>>>around. I need someone to tell me what to do."
>>
>> I was unaware that any sane person didn't know that the OP used an
>> offensive racial slur.
>>
>> That you believe that not commenting denotes approval shows just what
>> an idiot you are.
>
> I think Jack was commenting on what idiots visit here sometimes.
If he was, he's a piss poor writer.
> Yes, we know "Do not feed the troll." But what am I doing right now?
>I oughta know better...
--
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by
making the other poor bastard die for his country."
- George Smith Patton, Jr.
Dan
[NOT]
Dan
Richard Casady
My family does burn and urn. You can ship the jar by UPS and put it on
the altars for a funeral here, a memorial service there, and a mantle
or bedside table in a third place, all for a few grand. Our family
jars go in the 140 year old walk in. That is a long time in Iowa.
There is a poverty galvanized can next to the wealthy widows bronze
fifty years later. The urns are behind big marble plates in holes
intended for caskets. Room for every Casady who ever lived. My
millionair fathers box was forty buck cardboard. The church has a ten
grand robe for caskets and nobody can tell cardboard from silver, so
people don't wasted as much dough. Some have cremated walnut boxes
with silver handles. Used for one hour and gone. Psychotic.
JFK got an eternal flame that they relight every week or so,
eternally. I cannot think of another pres in a gov plat, although I
don't really know. I hated Nixon so much I named a
long range rifle Milhous but I always thought he as a better pres than
JFK. I named the 50 BMG semi auto Milhous the Deuce. He has a better
claim to Arlington than the crew killer JFK. The longer Nixon has been
gone, the better he looks. Kennedy looks worse the longer he has been
gone. Joe K decided to have a Pres for a son, before WWII. He bought
one, with four chances. I will not badmouth Joe K jr. He died bravely
and young and never got a chance to fuck up. Teddy? His penthlon
Drink, Drive, Swim Run Hide.. JFK parked a torpedo boat in the path of
a torpedo boat destroyer and lost the boat and some of the crew. This
is his qualification for a military cemetary. Millions killed in Viet
Nam, and still Holocaust Again. I got my mind perminently fucked by
that war, like very very many others in every war and thank you Jack.
Casady
Richard Casady
Myself, I have fallen behind about fifty years in my 63. I sure as
hell do not approve of every post I haven't the time and energy to
hammer. I quit posting and reading for a two or three years a six or
seven years back, but I downloaded all the groups everyday. I am still
tens of thousands of posts behind. I deleted five thousand unreads at
one crack, by just one troll, Hines. Now tell me I approve them all.
Casady
Jeffrey Hamilton
> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>> Richard Casady <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are famous for dishonest snipping.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you're a liar engaging in yet another Stupid Usenet Tricks 101
>>>> tactic.
>>> [ SNIP ]
>>>
>>> Well, you _are_ famous for dishonest snipping. But hell, maybe
>>> dozens of people are all wrong, and you're right.
>>>
>>
>> post, when you are out of Fred's killfile ! It can't be too long
>> now, I'm sure.
>>
>
>
> Tighten up those Depens, Skippy.
You should wear one on your head, *shit-for-brains*. <g>
cheers.....Jeff
Jack Linthicum
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:14:12 -0600, "David V. Loewe, Jr"
>
>
>
> <davelo...@charter.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:29:18 -0600, Richard Casady
>
> >>On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:05:20 -0800 (PST), Chris <cmant...@gmail.com>
William Howard Taft is the other President buried at Arlington.
Probably no one wanted carry him back to Ohio.
David V. Loewe, Jr
<richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>JFK got an eternal flame that they relight every week or so,
>eternally. I cannot think of another pres in a gov plat,
As Peter Trei says down in rasff, you can look this stuff up.
James K. Polk is buried at the Tennessee State Capitol. William Howard
Taft is buried at Arlington. Several other Presidents are buried at
sites that were private, but are now run by either a state or the
federal government (for example the Zachary Taylor National Cemetery).
>although I don't really know. I hated Nixon so much I named a
>long range rifle Milhous but I always thought he as a better pres than
>JFK. I named the 50 BMG semi auto Milhous the Deuce. He has a better
>claim to Arlington than the crew killer JFK. The longer Nixon has been
>gone, the better he looks. Kennedy looks worse the longer he has been
>gone. Joe K decided to have a Pres for a son, before WWII. He bought
>one, with four chances. I will not badmouth Joe K jr. He died bravely
>and young and never got a chance to fuck up. Teddy? His penthlon
>Drink, Drive, Swim Run Hide.. JFK parked a torpedo boat in the path of
>a torpedo boat destroyer and lost the boat and some of the crew. This
>is his qualification for a military cemetary. Millions killed in Viet
>Nam, and still Holocaust Again. I got my mind perminently fucked by
>that war, like very very many others in every war and thank you Jack.
--
"Quantum particles: the dreams that stuff is made of."
- David Moser
Ray O'Hara
"Richard Casady" <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:a898m59dbt068a362...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:19:33 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
> <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> nobody passes a cigarette.
>>if the guy wasn't a star athlete he'd be out on his ass.
>
> What cigarette? The smoke under discussion was a loaded cigar.
>
> Casady
nobody passes tobacco. is that clear enouigh forr you you moron.
Richard Casady
<raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Richard Casady" <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:a898m59dbt068a362...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:19:33 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
>> <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> nobody passes a cigarette.
>>>if the guy wasn't a star athlete he'd be out on his ass.
>>
>> What cigarette? The smoke under discussion was a loaded cigar.
>>
>> Casady
>
> nobody passes tobacco. is that clear enouigh forr you you moron.
>
I have seen it many times. It used to be common in jails and prisons
before they made them smokefree. Those that had them smoked, those had
not tried to mooch.You saw lots of sharing of cigs. There seems to be
an inordinate number of the pennyless in jail, which figures if you
stop to think about it. The poor smoke the butts from the cigs of the
rich. Guys would ask for a cig and not get it, ask for a puff and get
that, when the donor was short of them.
The world is a very big place. Your mileage may vary. Morons mostly
understand those two simple concepts. You are obviously dumber than
the average for morons.
Casady