Moon Hoax Apollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt Disney Bullshit

[Warhol]

Moon Hoax Apollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt
Disney Bullshit

This Video As You Hear & See it, From Disney Faking & Shaping The Memory
with NASA Public Domain Video and:

Walter Cronkite commentary at CBS News
http://youtu.be/vhdvi2cJkWc

Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 11 : Walter Cronkite Admits Apollo is -Walt
Disney Bullshit Moon Hoax

http://youtu.be/4v1rxkS2w7g

how could that have been overlooked for more than 40 years! This are the
same pictures what were broadcast live on TV in 1969 and on public
domain on NASA own website found...

Lol
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9748/as11405922hr.jpg

Freaking weird days indeed!

Notice there is no delay with the communications... THAT is enough to
know it was fake... radio waves are not carried by the vacuum of Space,
where no medium is found to carry them.

Even today there is a delay in live TV..

For the awake unsheepled, patience my friends, the cracks are appearing
everywhere, we're approaching critical mass.

No pity, no shame, be strong for them and remember you were once like
them. It's a great responsibility to be awake these days.

--
The Most feared emblem of the Sallee Rovers.... a gold man-in-the-moon
on a red background,

https://www.crossstitchworld.com/Images/7173_Moon_Dreamer.jpg

"When I take my ships upon the sea, there is both danger and
opportunity. The same is true of dealings with this Grantville,
but the risks and rewards are a hundredfold greater. But if don't act,
I—and the Republic of Sallee—will ultimately lose to those who make the
gamble.

"To act as I must, I must have information, and it must be from someone
I can trust. So, I will release you."

http://rlv.zcache.com/gold_man_in_the_moon_sticker-p217543483429034968z85xz_400.jpg

Warhols City emblem... Golden man in the Moon on RED background... The
glory is mine... I Did It... ha ha ha.

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Tue, 08 May 2012 22:25:17 +0200, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> radio waves are not carried by the vacuum of Space,
>where no medium is found to carry them.

Prove it.

Eugene L Griessel

"As my ancestors are free from slavery, I am free from the slavery of
religion." --- Butterfly McQueen

[Shawn Wilson]

On May 8, 1:25 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Moon Hoax Apollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt
> Disney Bullshit

> Notice there is no delay with the communications... THAT is enough to
> know it was fake... radio waves are not carried by the vacuum of Space,
> where no medium is found to carry them.

They're carried by the luminiferous ether...

[nik Simpson]

On 5/8/2012 3:29 PM, Eugene Griessel wrote:
> Op Tue, 08 May 2012 22:25:17 +0200, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> radio waves are not carried by the vacuum of Space,
>> where no medium is found to carry them.
>
> Prove it.
>

The problem is that he's assuming that space is like the vacuum between
his ears where literally nothing exists

--
Nik Simpson

[Metspitzer]

On Tue, 08 May 2012 22:25:17 +0200, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Moon Hoax Apollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt
>Disney Bullshit
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZfK8ulOIt0

[Warhol]

Op 8-5-2012 23:15, Shawn Wilson schreef:

The answer is before the Question... What Neil says.

Warhols City emblem... Golden man in the Moon on RED background... The

glory is mine... I Did It... ha ha ha... this is the beauty.

http://storytellingnomad.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/img_3652.jpg?w=534&h=534

"could never equal the beauty of this scene? What prayer, be it ever so
perfect, could equal the sweet murmur of rippling waters? What on earth
is as powerful as the sea, which stretches from one shore of the world
to the other? Oh would that the waves were a woman so that I might marry
her, and the ocean a mosque in which I might pray."

I dare not disobey the voice that calls me, but you may follow me if you
wish."

The jinniyeh wandered off with the tide and The Rais of the Nass
el-Behar followed her into the murky depths of the sea. Nor was he ever
seen again. He sleeps under the waves between Tarik Mountain
(Gibr'Altar) and Cape Tres-Forcas. He will not waken until that day when
men will be judged for their actions and the earth will be a shadow of a
shadow which will finally disappear.

For Allah(The God) is the Almighty One.

There never was since, nor ever can be again, such a perfect example of
a confederation of the brethren of the sea as that of the Old Republic
of Selah.

Moorish refugees waging the Jihad-al-Bahr – the holy war at seas...
under protection of Sidi 'Abd Allah ibn Hassan Mesbahi, the Holy city's
patron saint... I pray to him...

http://www.lieverturksdanpaaps.nl/wp-content/uploads/geuzenpenning4.jpg

And I cut down anyone in my path... Do you fear death??? I can offer you
an escape route... do you not fear death!!!... Life is cruel... I offer
you a choice... join my crew... and so post phone your judgment.

[Warhol]

Op 8-5-2012 23:38, nik Simpson schreef:

Ha haha...really...

http://youtu.be/4v1rxkS2w7g?t=2m7s

Hi lunatics do not click on the link... you may suffer a heart attack...

its pretty slow for space flying..; ha ha ha... Proof... bhawahahaha


--
When the company controls the chest, the company will rule over the seas...

And I am the Sea... and the chest is no longer safe... who told them
about the key?

http://www.bendib.com/newones/2006/november/large/East%20India%20Company.jpg

The company betrayed The Mother of all Republic's in the heart.

Against the cold and the sorrow... it doesn't matter now... the secret
is gone.

So tell me whats become of my ship...

Ar. ra'is

[Father Haskell]

Owls.

[Seth lePod]

Wow. When Crackpots Collide.



Noboby wins.


Seth

[Warhol]

Op 9-5-2012 3:43, Seth lePod schreef:

MUTANT RACE NOW EXISTS....AND SO IT BEGINS

http://youtu.be/bXCRIqdbe6I

--
When the company controls the chest, the company will rule over the seas...

And I am the Sea... and the chest is no longer safe... who told them
about the key?

http://www.bendib.com/newones/2006/november/large/East%20India%20Company.jpg

The company betrayed The Mother of all Republic's in the heart.

Against the cold and the sorrow... it doesn't matter now... the secret
is gone.

So tell me whats become of my ship...

Ar. Ra'is

[Warhol]

Op 8-5-2012 23:48, Metspitzer schreef:

They're not getting any smarter, are they?

If you'd actually cared about the answer you'd have found it by now.
You've had hours.

It's always better to look for and at something yourself, rather then
just be told.

I will point you in the right direction.

If you look at the size of that Moon Wagon the astronauts drove in and
you take a look at the size of the Apollo Moon Lander Module that
supposedly had this vehicle on board, where did they store it? There was
hardly room for the astronauts let alone for a car of that size...

--
When the company controls the chest, the company will rule over the seas...

And I am the Sea... and the chest is no longer safe... who told them
about the key?

http://www.bendib.com/newones/2006/november/large/East%20India%20Company.jpg

The company betrayed The Mother of all Republic's in the heart.

Against the cold and the sorrow... it doesn't matter now... the secret
is gone.

So tell me whats become of my ship...

Ar. Ra'is

http://rlv.zcache.com/gold_man_in_the_moon_sticker-p217543483429034968z85xz_400.jpg

[Father Haskell]

On May 9, 12:13 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> If you look at the size of that Moon Wagon the astronauts drove in and
> you take a look at the size of the Apollo Moon Lander Module that
> supposedly had this vehicle on board, where did they store it? There was
> hardly room for the astronauts let alone for a car of that size...

Which is why it was folded up and strapped to the landing
module, outside of the ship.

http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000731.html

[Warhol]

ha ha ha video of this period??? and where is the blue print of the
Lunar Landing Module???

This Sallee Rover says you are a hypocrite lunatic... since none of you,
dares to address the subject of this thread... two video's... where Neil
himself says... IT WALT DISNEY BULLSHIT... confirmed by Walter Cronkite
on NASA own website in public domain.

the only subject friends... WALT DISNEY BULLSHIT... from rocket, to moon
landings as the satellites or the ISS and the plastic space shuttle...
all WALT DISNEY BULLSHIT.

The Emblem of Sallee...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jalm22zr-80/TPHZ2WibFcI/AAAAAAAABJY/uUzl0WhrxzM/s1600/atriptothemoon.jpg

The Little Son of the White Grand Admiral Von Sallee und FEZ... and the
Moon is Mine... The Sallee Rover was there first...

http://www.kennislink.nl/system/files/000/126/281/popup/Geuzenpenning_liever_Turks_dan_Paaps_rond_1570.jpg?1329772430



Op 9-5-2012 6:17, Padraigh ProAmerica schreef:
> The Rover was stored in a folded condition. Look up the videos os this
> era and you will see it being deployed both in Earth-based training and
> on the lunar surface.
>
> --

[Metspitzer]

On Wed, 09 May 2012 18:56:27 +0200, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>ha ha ha video of this period??? and where is the blue print of the
>Lunar Landing Module???
>

I totally understand people selling books doing what you are doing,
but what is in it for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZfK8ulOIt0

[Warhol]

you call this a blue print???

http://collectspace.com/review/mikej/lrv-deployment.jpg
http://collectspace.com/review/mikej/lm-descent.jpg

what a joke... a child can do better than that...

Not only the telemetry tapes, but even the blueprint of the Apollo
Lunar Module is missing... and not only that...

"Moon plays": The moon was the Earth - Lies and Truth in the
Atmosphere

21 a. Impossible Lunar Module: The descent stage which cannot fly

The technical impossibility of a flight of the Lunar Module (LM) as a
vertical landing vehicle with only one engine - the crashs of the test
vehicles Lunar Landing Research Vehicle LLRV - crash of Delta Clipper

read more here...
http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/atmosphaerenfahrt/21a_Lunar-Module-descent-stage-impossible-ENGL.html

This first link of google search....blue print lunar lander Module
lost

So you lunatics still refuse the fact that space travel is gelogen...
gelogen... en gelogen... I pity your stupidity... really I do...
because you will fall in fire.

The flying Dutchman... Warhol.

[Warhol]

I will rule the world... thats what is in it for ME... while YOU will
run after the MISBAH and fall like a coward in fire, like all lunatics
will fall... ICARUS felt in the sea and died... NASA and any supporter
Falls in fire and disappears forever ever...

The GOLDEN Man in The MOON... Warhol, The Sallee Rover.

http://www.themajikcollection.com.au/images/uploads/moon_man_pendant_gold_plated.jpg

[jonathan]

"Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jobvh8$2d8$1...@dont-email.me...

> Moon Hoax Apollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt Disney
> Bullshit

>

> Notice there is no delay with the communications... THAT is enough to know
> it was fake... radio waves are not carried by the vacuum of Space, where
> no medium is found to carry them.

Well radio waves are just light waves, just at a lower frequency
than visible light, so they propagate the same way as light.
If our eyes were sensitive to lower frequencies of light, we
could see radio waves.

E-M spectrum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

Light starts out as a changing electric field, which produces
a changing magnetic field, which produces a changing
electric field.

So on and on light goes, propagating itself until something
gets in the way. Light or radio waves move best
through empty space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_field


Electric fields are produced by stationary charges, and
magnetic fields by moving charges. Picturing the
difference between an electric and magnetic field
is easy.

Electric field
Imagine a magnet on a stick, with pos. on one end, and
neg. on the other end. Then move that magnet (changing
magnetic field) inside a simple loop of wire, it'll produce
a changing current in the loop of wire as you move
the magnet back and forth.

Magnetic field
Instead of moving the magnet inside the loop of wire
move the loop of wire around a stationary magnet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%C3%A8re%27s_circuital_law


There used to be two separate equations for electric and
magnetic fields, keeping the world confused and in the dark
about how light really works. One equation was for when
the magnet was moving, the other for when the current
was moving.

And one day, someone realized that it doesn't really matter
which is doing the moving, those two equations are describing
the same effect. The interaction between a charge and a current
(magnet and loop of wire). So he put an equal sign between
those two different equations until he simplified them into one.

Resulting in one of the greatest scientific advances of all time.
How light propagates itself

Maxwell's equations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwells_equations


s













http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%C3%A8re%27s_circuital_law

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Wed, 09 May 2012 06:13:51 +0200, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>If you look at the size of that Moon Wagon the astronauts drove in and
>you take a look at the size of the Apollo Moon Lander Module that
>supposedly had this vehicle on board, where did they store it? There was
>hardly room for the astronauts let alone for a car of that size...

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/alsj-LMdocs.html

Eugene L Griessel

SMILE - To expose a portion of one's skeleton as a gesture of
goodwill toward a fellow human.

[Metspitzer]

On Wed, 09 May 2012 13:14:42 -0400, Metspitzer <Kilo...@charter.net>
wrote:

I too am circumcised for my faith and I teach the Torah in it true
sense... More about "Me"
I get it now. It is just plain narcissism.
Carry on.

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Wed, 09 May 2012 18:56:27 +0200, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>dares to address the subject of this thread... two video's... where Neil
>himself says... IT WALT DISNEY BULLSHIT... confirmed by Walter Cronkite
>on NASA own website in public domain.

Shame. Not only do the Warhols suffer defective brains but their
hearing seems equally defective.

Eugene L Griessel

Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot, or he can but does not want to.
If he wants to but cannot he is impotent. If he can but does not want to, he
is wicked. If he neither can nor wants to, then he is both powerless and wicked.
--- Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 B.C.

[George152]

On 5/10/2012 5:14 AM, Metspitzer wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2012 18:56:27 +0200, Warhol<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ha ha ha video of this period??? and where is the blue print of the
>> Lunar Landing Module???
>>
> I totally understand people selling books doing what you are doing,
> but what is in it for you?
>
>

Attention seeking of the worst kind ????

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Thu, 10 May 2012 08:13:36 +1200, George152 <gbl...@hnpl.net>
wrote:

That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.

Eugene L Griessel

People who want to share their religious views with you almost never
want you to share yours with them.

[Warhol]

Op 9-5-2012 20:37, jonathan schreef:

> "Warhol"<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jobvh8$2d8$1...@dont-email.me...
>> > Moon Hoax Apollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt Disney
>> > Bullshit
>> >
>> > Notice there is no delay with the communications... THAT is enough to know
>> > it was fake... radio waves are not carried by the vacuum of Space, where
>> > no medium is found to carry them.
>
> Well radio waves are just light waves, just at a lower frequency
> than visible light,

ha ha ha ha... right I see all my radio antennas light up suddenly... ha
ha ha... why light bulbs when I can use my radio antenna to provide me
light from outer space... ha ha ha Miracle... I see now clearly in the
dark room with my antenna... Thank you Jonathan... And I also receive my
favorite radio programs from a candle now... ha ha ha Miracle


Btw why do you call them waves if they are light rays???


PSS we haven't solved the problem of Rockets in Vacuum space neither...
and what do you make of the fact Neil says ITS ALL WALT DISNEY BULLSHIT...

Still not one with comment about the subject of the thread... read the
subject line... really people... who you think you fool???


--

For Sallee sake, I never will be silent

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GeIEGw-boik/TohJDfohKMI/AAAAAAAAgrA/n0pE8U_9bUg/s400/reign347.jpg

[Bill]

In article <EsydnUGwYNRnJTfS...@giganews.com>,
wr...@gmail.com says...

>
> "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jobvh8$2d8$1...@dont-email.me...
> > Moon Hoax Apollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt Disney
> > Bullshit
>
> >
> > Notice there is no delay with the communications... THAT is enough to know
> > it was fake... radio waves are not carried by the vacuum of Space, where
> > no medium is found to carry them.
>
>
> Well radio waves are just light waves, just at a lower frequency
> than visible light, so they propagate the same way as light.

I think you'll find that if you pass radio waves through a diffraction
grating they don't behave in the same as light waves.

--
William Black

When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.

[Warhol]

Op 9-5-2012 21:20, Metspitzer schreef:

Ha ha ha .... You Forgot this;


*I will rule the world* yes ME... ha ha ha

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GeIEGw-boik/TohJDfohKMI/AAAAAAAAgrA/n0pE8U_9bUg/s400/reign347.jpg

[linuxgal]

Bill wrote:
>
> I think you'll find that if you pass radio waves through a diffraction
> grating they don't behave in the same as light waves.
>

If the gap between the grating was scaled to match the ratio between the
radio waves and light waves, they would behave in exactly the same way.

[Seth lePod]

On May 9, 11:37 am, "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jobvh8$2d8$1...@dont-email.me...
>

> >Moon HoaxApollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt Disney

> > Bullshit
>
> > Notice there is no delay with the communications... THAT is enough to know
> > it was fake... radio waves are not carried by the vacuum of Space, where
> > no medium is found to carry them.
>
> Well radio waves are just light waves, just at a lower frequency
> than visible light, so they propagate the same way as light.
> If our eyes  were sensitive to lower frequencies of light, we
> could see radio waves.
>

> E-M spectrumhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

>
> Light starts out as a changing electric field, which  produces
> a changing magnetic field, which produces a changing
> electric field.
>
> So on and on light goes, propagating itself until something
> gets in the way. Light or radio waves move best

> through empty space.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_field

>
> Electric fields are produced by stationary charges, and
> magnetic fields by moving charges. Picturing the
> difference between an electric and magnetic field
> is easy.
>
> Electric field
> Imagine a magnet on a stick, with pos. on one end, and
> neg. on the other end. Then move that magnet (changing
> magnetic field) inside a simple loop of wire, it'll produce
> a changing current in the loop of wire as you move
> the magnet back and forth.
>
> Magnetic field
> Instead of moving the magnet inside the loop of wire

> move the loop of wire around a stationary magnet.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%C3%A8re%27s_circuital_law

>
> There used to be two separate equations for electric and
> magnetic fields, keeping the world confused and  in the dark
> about how light really works. One equation was for when
> the magnet was moving, the other for when the current
> was moving.
>
> And one day, someone realized that it doesn't  really matter
> which is doing the moving, those two equations are describing
> the same effect. The interaction between a charge and a current
> (magnet and loop of wire). So he put an equal sign between
> those two different equations until he simplified them into one.
>
> Resulting in one of the greatest scientific advances of all time.
> How light propagates itself
>
> Maxwell's equationshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwells_equations
>
> s
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amp%C3%A8re%27s_circuital_law

Nicely summarized.

Sadly, however, I must inform you that
because you are

1) sane, and

2) describing actual facts, which

3) are demonstrably true in this reality,

then your efforts in this discussion are
futile. There's no arguing with someone
for whom none of those three apply.


Seth

[Warhol]

Op 10-5-2012 3:04, linuxgal schreef:

Light is transported by Rays... and not by waves...

http://idahofoodbank.org/community_gardens/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SUNRAYS.jpg

Waves look like this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/2006-01-14_Surface_waves.jpg/300px-2006-01-14_Surface_waves.jpg

http://gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Wave-Graphic-NOAA.jpg

well tell me now if they look the same for you... For me light comes
from the candle and my radio waves I receive with a antenna, which I
assure isn't photosensitive at all... as some want me to believe, what
you belief is your problem... Radio Rays don't exist or antennas
producing light neither...

And I will bring to the attention of all that the SUN doesn't produce
any Electro Magnetic Force, just as a candle doesn't produce any emf...

[Seth lePod]

On May 9, 2:11 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <EsydnUGwYNRnJTfSnZ2dnUVZ_sWdn...@giganews.com>,

> wr...@gmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > "Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:jobvh8$2d8$1...@dont-email.me...

> > >Moon HoaxApollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt Disney

> > > Bullshit
>
> > > Notice there is no delay with the communications... THAT is enough to know
> > > it was fake... radio waves are not carried by the vacuum of Space, where
> > > no medium is found to carry them.
>


:
> > Well radio waves are just light waves, just at a lower frequency
> > than visible light, so they propagate the same way as light.

:
> I think you'll find that if you pass radio waves through a diffraction
> grating they don't behave in the same as light waves.

Electromagnetic waves are diffracted by gratings
with spacing comparable to their wavelength. An
optical diffraction grating won't diffract X-rays
either, but crystals, whose inter-atomic spacings
are of the same order of magnitude as the
wavelength of X-rays, will diffract them.

Hence X-ray crystyallography.

Radio waves are in fact diffracted by large sharp-
edged objects, such as buildings or mountain
ridges The latter can allow reception in valleys
shaded from of line-of-sight reception by
mountains.


Seth

[Father Haskell]

On May 9, 1:18 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The technical impossibility of a flight of the Lunar Module (LM) as a
> vertical landing vehicle with only one engine -

Bullshit. You ever seen a pogo stick capsize?

[Father Haskell]

On May 9, 10:07 pm, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> well tell me now if they look the same for you... For me light comes
> from the candle

Light comes from atoms whenever an electron drops to a
lower level.

[Olrik]

Le 2012-05-09 16:52, Warhol a écrit :
> Op 9-5-2012 20:37, jonathan schreef:
>> "Warhol"<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> ha ha ha ha... right I see all my radio antennas light up suddenly... ha
> ha ha... why light bulbs when I can use my radio antenna to provide me
> light from outer space... ha ha ha Miracle... I see now clearly in the
> dark room with my antenna... Thank you Jonathan... And I also receive my
> favorite radio programs from a candle now... ha ha ha Miracle

If you were not a retarded person, I could use sound waves to illustrate
the differences between frequencies. Hint: there are «sound» that your
ears can't hear, just as there are «light» frequencies that you can't see.

> PSS we haven't solved the problem of Rockets in Vacuum space neither...

There's no «problem of Rockets in Vacuum space»: they work flawlessly.

P.S.: Please donate your brain to science when you croak. Thanks!

[Warhol]

The only retard I see here are you lunatics...

And still not one who answer the topic of the thread... Neil WALT DISNEY
BULLSHIT comment...

TWO HOT VIDEO's and still you cowards act as if your stupid nose is
bleeding... ha ha ha... I love that moon modul landing and the flame
while we hear all the lovely comments... yeah they flew much to slow for
a space flight said the commentator ha ha ha Sometimes the truth is
right in front of you

IF YOU are Getting laid of from NASA time to spill the beans...

Time Is NOW.

Open your eyes.

Alas, some mood music:
http://youtu.be/Z0GFRcFm-aY

Holocaust, Moon Landing, space travel and 911 Zionist Magic at its
best... oeps I practically forgot the nuclear weapons hoax too

if they own Hollywood and the televised media can they fake the moon
landing or spacetravel? think about it retard.


Op 10-5-2012 5:21, Olrik schreef:

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Wed, 9 May 2012 22:11:29 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I think you'll find that if you pass radio waves through a diffraction
>grating they don't behave in the same as light waves.

Explain "don't behave in the same (way?) as light waves".

In my limited understanding of Quantum theory I see no reason they
should not, allowing for the difference in frequency.

Eugene L Griessel

Why do couples hold hands during their wedding? It's a formality just like
two boxers shaking hands before the fight begins!

[Warhol]

I really thought light came from your ass... ha ha ha

Moon music for tonight

http://youtu.be/5BmEGm-mraE

BTW to all those who post from Google groups... you are on a island...
other usenet servers don't see your post and neither do you see post
from other usenet servers... think about this...

[Olrik]

I sincerely hope that you're not in any way, shape or form in a position
where you could hurt others.

Sleep tight!

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Thu, 10 May 2012 05:53:34 +0200, Eugene Griessel

<eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:

>In my limited understanding of Quantum theory I see no reason they
>should not, allowing for the difference in frequency.

Sorry - meant "difference in wavelength". Happens when one posts
before the sparrows have arisen in the morning after a dismal night
with the sniffles.

Eugene L Griessel

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

[Eugene Griessel]

The universe is made entirely out of protons, neutrons, electrons and
morons. In Warhol you are dealing with the latter category.

Eugene L Griessel

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in
all fiction." --- Richard Dawkins

[jonathan]

"Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:jof7sm$obe$1...@dont-email.me...

> Op 10-5-2012 3:04, linuxgal schreef:

>
>

> Light is transported by Rays... and not by waves...
> http://idahofoodbank.org/community_gardens/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SUNRAYS.jpg

>Waves look like this
>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/2006-01->14_Surface_waves.jpg/300px-2006-01-14_Surface_waves.jpg

As convincing as your pictures are, it still doesn't
get to the core of the idea when it comes to energy.

Maybe your confusion between 'rays' and waves
can be cleared up this way. Imagine a long string, and
someone taps the string, starting a wave travelling along
the string like a spring back and forth.

That wave travels along a 'ray', to put it in your terms.
So the two are one in the same, a 'ray' that's vibrating
like a wave. A radio signal is just someone tapping
on that string like morse code.

Look at it this way, if you heat something just a little, it
vibrates like your picture of waves (radio) If you
heat it more it burns, like your picture of the sun
or your candle (light).

They're still the same thing, energy, but at different
intensities/frequencies.




s

[Bast]

I agree that Apollo was faked, not by Disney, but by Stanley Kubrick, who
was later killed to keep the secret safe (do a web search),.....but you
going off on some tangent that radio waves can not travel through space as
proof.
Well,.....That almost sounds like you WANT to look silly.

Are you deliberately trying to make ALL of us who challenge the bare faced
unsupportable "official fairytales" lose our credibility too ?


That's like Hagar in his endless rants about Obama, sucking up to Bush.
...All of us who WANT Obama impeached, lose all interest in siding with
Hagar when he still supports G.W SCUMBAG BUSH





Warhol wrote:
> Moon Hoax Apollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt
> Disney Bullshit
>
> This Video As You Hear & See it, From Disney Faking & Shaping The Memory
> with NASA Public Domain Video and:
>
> Walter Cronkite commentary at CBS News
> http://youtu.be/vhdvi2cJkWc
>
> Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 11 : Walter Cronkite Admits Apollo is -Walt
> Disney Bullshit Moon Hoax
>
> http://youtu.be/4v1rxkS2w7g
>
> how could that have been overlooked for more than 40 years! This are the
> same pictures what were broadcast live on TV in 1969 and on public
> domain on NASA own website found...
>
> Lol
> http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9748/as11405922hr.jpg
>
> Freaking weird days indeed!

>
> Notice there is no delay with the communications... THAT is enough to
> know it was fake... radio waves are not carried by the vacuum of Space,
> where no medium is found to carry them.
>

> Even today there is a delay in live TV..
>
> For the awake unsheepled, patience my friends, the cracks are appearing
> everywhere, we're approaching critical mass.
>
> No pity, no shame, be strong for them and remember you were once like
> them. It's a great responsibility to be awake these days.

[Warhol]

Op 10-5-2012 6:46, jonathan schreef:

Light travels in straight line... see principle of photography... and
imagine that

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/demonstrating-how-light-travels-in-straight-lines/1625.html

is this really so hard to understand for lunatics, that light ain't emf
or a radio wave... Light is emitted by a source as a fire, oil lamp,
candle, sun... none of this produce emf... or emit radio waves... but
this is really not the subject of thread... you are off topic man...

And BTW I would like to discuss the topic of the thread!!!... can we???
the comments of Neil or Walter Cronkite commentary at CBS News... how

could that have been overlooked for more than 40 years!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFJt_aaCVYA

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Thu, 10 May 2012 01:12:08 -0400, "Bast" <fake...@nomail.invalid>
wrote:

>I agree that Apollo was faked, not by Disney, but by Stanley Kubrick, who
>was later killed to keep the secret safe (do a web search)

Oh dear! Took them a long time to kill him didn't it? Why go to
England to do the faking when good American companies existed which
could do the job? Of course the fact that all Apollo landing sites on
the moon have now been photographed by lunar orbiters, some not
belonging to NASA, means the faking must be continuing to this day by
disinterested parties. One can but wonder why when it would be to
their advantage to expose it. You guys offer nothing in the way of
proof of your contentions - virtually every statement made as "proof"
being so easily debunked it's not worth consideration.
http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/news_events/apollo11/

[Brad Guth]

They (aka Oligarch Rothschilds and their devout company of public-
funded FUD-masters) invented Warhol and others similar in order to
make the rest of us look bad.

No actual Moor on Earth can possibly be as dumbfounded as Warhol.

http://groups.google.com/groups/search
http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

[Warhol]

oooh... but its the truth... how silly it may sound... radio waves need
a medium which is not found in the vacuum of space... namely AIR...
Never heard of On Air? its not they tried to change the laws the last
300 years and have fooled the world in so many lies, that they can fool
me with their evil lies and deceive...

I've seen more realistic space images on that movie.. What was it
called? Oh yeah! 2001: A Space Odyssey.

No I don't want you to lose your credibility, thats why people should
only talk about things they fully understand only and not act as
parrots... They better keep their mouth and listen to the arguments...

and let me fight the lunatics fairy-tales deceive... For the awake

unsheepled, patience my friends, the cracks are appearing everywhere,
we're approaching critical mass.

No pity, no shame, be strong for them and remember you were once like
them. It's a great responsibility to be awake these days.

http://youtu.be/E0M6kx1n4Zw

Sound neither can't travel in vacuum space... there are logical laws
which defines this things... and NASA is champion to neglect holy laws...

in fact ALL THEY DO is lie and deceive. Space travel hoax fits right
into the grand deception.

The former logically understandable world of the old republic is now
shattered... but in a way its exciting too as new doors of perception
have opened. Talk about a mind blowing change for this giant leap being
tho... wow.

Yeah the Golden man in the Moon is crying too... the emblem of a Sally
Rover...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MaQB1bxQJLA/TzV2u-ITqVI/AAAAAAAADfA/UVXHNc5RhEY/s1600/a-trip-to-the-moon-hand-colored.jpg

And of course, You have your usual cast of nasa shills that will park
here for the duration of the thread.

Yea yea, you saw it on TV and believed it. Congratulations on your religion.

Op 10-5-2012 7:12, Bast schreef:

> I agree that Apollo was faked, not by Disney, but by Stanley Kubrick, who
> was later killed to keep the secret safe (do a web search),.....but you
> going off on some tangent that radio waves can not travel through space as
> proof.
> Well,.....That almost sounds like you WANT to look silly.
>
> Are you deliberately trying to make ALL of us who challenge the bare faced
> unsupportable "official fairytales" lose our credibility too ?
>
>
> That's like Hagar in his endless rants about Obama, sucking up to Bush.
> ...All of us who WANT Obama impeached, lose all interest in siding with
> Hagar when he still supports G.W SCUMBAG BUSH
>
>
>
>
>
> Warhol wrote:
>> Moon Hoax Apollo 11 : Astronaut Neil says -One Giant Leap For Walt
>> Disney Bullshit
>>

>> This Video As You Hear& See it, From Disney Faking& Shaping The Memory

[Bill]

In article <73hmq7ttq258dmunn...@4ax.com>,
eug...@dynagen.co.za says...

>
> Op Thu, 10 May 2012 05:53:34 +0200, Eugene Griessel
> <eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
>
> >In my limited understanding of Quantum theory I see no reason they
> >should not, allowing for the difference in frequency.
>
> Sorry - meant "difference in wavelength". Happens when one posts
> before the sparrows have arisen in the morning after a dismal night
> with the sniffles.

My understanding is that light shows some of the properties of a
particle and radio never does.

[Bill]

In article <o4kmq7hhsclv69ubc...@4ax.com>,
eug...@dynagen.co.za says...

>
> Op Thu, 10 May 2012 01:12:08 -0400, "Bast" <fake...@nomail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >I agree that Apollo was faked, not by Disney, but by Stanley Kubrick, who
> >was later killed to keep the secret safe (do a web search)
>
> Oh dear! Took them a long time to kill him didn't it? Why go to
> England to do the faking when good American companies existed which
> could do the job?

Actually that's fairly obvious.

The moon shots in Kubrick's '2001' needed the vast sound stage at
Shepperton.

The conspiracy nuts say the same set was used.

Unfortunately for the conspiracy nuts Kubrick's shooting schedule is
known and recorded and the Shepperton sound stages can be accounted for
the rest of the period when any the filming took place, they were
filming 'Oliver'.

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Thu, 10 May 2012 07:12:24 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <73hmq7ttq258dmunn...@4ax.com>,
>eug...@dynagen.co.za says...
>>
>> Op Thu, 10 May 2012 05:53:34 +0200, Eugene Griessel
>> <eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
>>
>> >In my limited understanding of Quantum theory I see no reason they
>> >should not, allowing for the difference in frequency.
>>
>> Sorry - meant "difference in wavelength". Happens when one posts
>> before the sparrows have arisen in the morning after a dismal night
>> with the sniffles.
>
>My understanding is that light shows some of the properties of a
>particle and radio never does.

Try the last few pages:
http://fusioned.gat.com/images/pdf/EMcurriculum.pdf

Eugene L Griessel

What a wonderful world it is that has girls in it!

[Bast]

Here's a link for you to read
http://www.realitysandwich.com/kubrick_apollo


As for radio needing a medium,...empty space IS a medium.
Radio is just R/F at a lower frequency than visible light,.....you can SEE
the stars and the sun, so empty space does allow radio to go through it as
well.
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~bds2/ltsn/ljm/JAVA/SPECTRUM/details.html

Actually radio and infra-red pass through space far easier then visible
light, and why radio telescopes are used in Astronomy.


BUT,....you are right that there would be a delay in radio transmissions of
about 2-3 seconds due to the fact that the speed of light delay is
measurable at those distances.

And most people never knew that the TV stations didn't get the signals from
Apollo,... they had to film them with a camera from NASA's screens.
And they didn't have the technology to edit "live" on the fly back then.
So any official fairytale story the networks edited out the delays for TV
viewers,....is a pile of hooey

[Dean]

On May 10, 2:16 am, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <o4kmq7hhsclv69ubcionabmvjmblqd4...@4ax.com>,
> eug...@dynagen.co.za says...
>
>
>
> > Op Thu, 10 May 2012 01:12:08 -0400, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid>

> > wrote:
>
> > >I agree that Apollo was faked, not by Disney, but by Stanley Kubrick, who
> > >was later killed to keep the secret safe (do a web search)
>
> > Oh dear!  Took them a long time to kill him didn't it?  Why go to
> > England to do the faking when good American companies existed which
> > could do the job?
>
> Actually that's fairly obvious.
>
> The moon shots in Kubrick's '2001' needed the vast sound stage at
> Shepperton.
>
> The conspiracy nuts say the same set was used.
>
> Unfortunately for the conspiracy nuts Kubrick's shooting schedule is
> known and recorded and the Shepperton sound stages can be accounted for
> the rest of the period when any the filming took place,  they were
> filming 'Oliver'.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
> time to leave.

So, the British are involved. Hmmm..."perfidious Albion".... LOL!

[Dean]

On May 10, 1:15 am, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Light travels in straight line... see principle of photography... and
> imagine that
>

OK, just to mess with you, you should know that strictly speaking
light does not always travel in a straight line. It will interact
with matter or be affected by gravity and then it bends....

[Dean]

On May 10, 12:34 am, Eugene Griessel <eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:

And in his case, it is the special variety known as superdense morons.

[Dean]

Brad, you make yourself look bad with your cut and paste techniques.

[Keith W]

RF diffraction gratings are actually quite common its just that
being physically large they are not immediately recognisable as such.
The early sparkgap radio sets used large metal diffraction gratings
to separate specific frequencies.

A yagi antenna, commonly used for tv reception consists of a
number of metal rods about one half wavelength long mounted on a metal or
insulating backbone rod. Each of the rods is one part of an RF diffraction
grating.

Keith

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Thu, 10 May 2012 19:16:48 +0100, "Keith W"

<keithnosp...@demon.co.uk> wrote:

>A yagi antenna, commonly used for tv reception consists of a
>number of metal rods about one half wavelength long mounted on a metal or
>insulating backbone rod. Each of the rods is one part of an RF diffraction
>grating.

All my life I have been seeing those damned things and never bothered
to wonder why those little rods existed ....

Eugene L Griessel

We are all afraid for our confidence, for the future, for the world. That
is the nature of the human imagination. Yet every man, every civilization,
has gone forward because of its engagement with what it has set itself to do.
Jacob Bronowski

[Warhol]

No bast vacuum space is empty of matter - end of discussion.

And keep your shit please bast, I don't know you and I never read your
thread so Please Degage... since you clearly know shit and act like a
parrot repeating words with no understanding of their signification.

as I told you already in my previous reply... please talk about things
you fully understand... I don't like people talking out their ass, you know.

You do not know what Aether is...

As for Radio it was known since long that it needed Aether(air /
atmosphere)... without Aether you can't transport the waves... its the
Water who transports the waves of the sea... its the air which
transports the sound of my mouth to your ear... without aether you cant
fly... without aether there is no life possible.

Without a medium, I already explained here, a 1000 times, you cant talk
or fly in vacuum space... and really I already explained how all this
with so many many words... I already explained Radio waves are prisoner
of the atmosphere and won't never leave the Faraday cage the electrical
loaded ionosphere barrier... just as man will never leave this prison
world where he is a prisoner... this are facts and not theories I try to
sell.

radio signals are waves propagating through a medium (e.g.- the Aether
(Atmosphere/Air) as sound does travel though air(Atmosphere/Aether), or
a bird fly in the air(Atmosphere/Aether).

BUT AGAIN LIKE ALL THE SHILLS HERE, WHO ARE POSTING IN THIS THREAD...
YOU ARE ALL OFF TOPIC...

<THE TOPIC IS: *THE COMMENT WHICH WE CLEARLY HEAR OF NEIL*... COMMENTS
MADE MORE THAN 40 YEARS AGO... thats the topic... people.

The Radio waves already have their own thread in this groups... But now
the Subject is what Neil and Walter said 40 years ago... and not my
comment of no delay in radio transmissions from the moon, that was only
a comment with no connection to the subject of the thread... really not
the Subject.

Question about Air waves or radio waves I will not answer anymore here
in this thread... See & Read thread where the subject is on topic...

The atmosphere = aether = Air... No please seek what they made of
Aether, please people don't you see they are lying about Aethęr, Aether,
Ether, Bright Upper Air...the ancient Greek personification of the clear
upper air of the sky.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aether

or better said The Atmosphere...

Maybe I should start another topic about Aether... since many don't seem
to understand what Aether is... Aether is the ancient Greek name for AIR
or atmosphere... and at end 19th century they changed the truth of the
medium again to fit in their grand theft of patents...

A grand theft that will lead you to total slavery, a product to the few
who have all patents in their hands... without they have proven their
claims ever right or wrong... please people wake up.

I see also you people still don't understand, by accepting their evil
lies, you sell your own progeny to butchers and deceivers who seek to
harvest man... since with their lies you will become their product and
not a creation of GOD... beware... beware... beware... you become a
product of a company which already claimed up the patent of the PIG and
seeds...

For the radio waves subject see here
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/search?group=alt.astronomy&q=Radio+waves+warhol&qt_g=Search+this+group


BTW BAST I don't know if you know It or not... I was with the first
people here on Usenet and Internet to claim space travel was fake and
provided most of the evidence which most use today... long before anyone
of you here... and your comment "of lose our credibility too" makes me
only laugh... I was also the first to attack evil inglorious bastard
jews lies and the holojoke question long before anyone dared to
pronounce even the word jew...

I did it... not you or any one else... It was me who opened the front
line on jews and nasa... and not them alone... i have many fronts where
I FIGHT with the WORD, all the lies people believe as fact... and my
words remains the same...


--

For Sallee sake, I never will be silent

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GeIEGw-boik/TohJDfohKMI/AAAAAAAAgrA/n0pE8U_9bUg/s400/reign347.jpg

When the company controls the chest, the company will rule over the seas...

And I am the Sea... and the chest is no longer safe... who told them
about the key?

http://www.bendib.com/newones/2006/november/large/East%20India%20Company.jpg

The company betrayed The Mother of all Republic's in the heart.

Against the cold and the sorrow... it doesn't matter now... the secret
is gone.

So tell me whats become of my ship...

Ar. Ra'is

The Emblem of Sallee Rover...
http://rlv.zcache.com/gold_man_in_the_moon_sticker-p217543483429034968z85xz_400.jpg


Op 10-5-2012 11:18, Bast schreef:

[Warhol]

Op 10-5-2012 10:44, Jeff schreef:

>
>> I think you'll find that if you pass radio waves through a diffraction
>> grating they don't behave in the same as light waves.
>>
>
>

> Oh yes they do!! There are microwave antennas based exactly on those
> principles.
>
> Jeff


everything you believe in is fake, fake fake... take that from me.

you live in illusions... in deceive... in denial.

[Bill]

In article <ho1oq7hr19jfjs4n5...@4ax.com>,
eug...@dynagen.co.za says...

>
> Op Thu, 10 May 2012 19:16:48 +0100, "Keith W"
> <keithnosp...@demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >A yagi antenna, commonly used for tv reception consists of a
> >number of metal rods about one half wavelength long mounted on a metal or
> >insulating backbone rod. Each of the rods is one part of an RF diffraction
> >grating.
>
> All my life I have been seeing those damned things and never bothered
> to wonder why those little rods existed ....

I thought they functioned as a sort of reflector.

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Thu, 10 May 2012 21:18:47 +0200, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Unlike you we don't rely on "beliefs".
If you are not a hypocrite, and truly believe what you say you do;
prove it by immediately ceasing to using the technology you so
deprecate. If you don't, we will know you to be the lying troll that
you are.


Eugene L Griessel

Relf's Law
Bullshit repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses.

[George152]

On 5/10/2012 9:18 PM, Bast wrote:
> Here's a link for you to read
> http://www.realitysandwich.com/kubrick_apollo
>
>

bast advertising her stupidity

[Warhol]

Op 10-5-2012 21:49, Padraigh ProAmerica schreef:
> Let me see...we're supposed to ignore people with years of education and
> practical experience and instead listen to a raving lunatic with a
> third-grade grasp of reality (aka Wormhole).
>
> In your dreams, psycholoon.
>
> --
> "A good march should make a man with a wooden leg want to step out."--
>
> John Phillip Sousa
>


Jesus used to say you must be reborn again to understand and see... I
say you must forget everything they learned you as fact since your
birth... its all fake fake fake...

"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world,
according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now
worketh in the children of disobedience" (Ephesians 2:1,2).

The unsaved person cannot understand...

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they
are spiritually discerned" (1st Corinthians 2:14).

Go wash the mud of your ears and eyes and than we shall talk about light
and darkness were all now... in illusions... in deceive... in denial.

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the
word of God(Truth), which liveth and abideth for ever." —1st Peter 1:23

“I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” That's a
beautiful way to explain it.

Repent means to look at the facts... the truth... the Sin iss believing
the lie... facts you all must be reborn to or you will miss the ship of
salvation... He said that to the most scientific man he met... MUST BE
REBORN OR YOU WILL NOT SEE THE ONE AND ONLY TRUTH IN THE MANY LIES.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylkX0MK7AWE

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Thu, 10 May 2012 23:00:04 +0200, Warhol <mol...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Jesus used to say you must be reborn again to understand and see... I
>say you must forget everything they learned you as fact since your
>birth... its all fake fake fake...

The authority for this comes from a troll troll troll ....

They obviously did not learn the duty Warhol much English either.

Eugene L Griessel

Beady's 6th Law of Social Harmonics:
You cannot reason a man out of a position he did not reach through reason.

[Brad Guth]

Your mainstream status quo does this all the time, as well as do their
Semitic pretend-Atheist, as FUD-master Oligarchs that practice public
indoctrination via pasting loads of their infomercials, eyecandy hype
and damage-control spin. Obviously you have no problems with any of
that kind of cut and paste that gets all the way into our K12
textbooks, as the word of God.

Are you suggesting that our government agencies and the likes of MI6
never bothers to train and deploy double agents that would act/react
exactly like Warhol?

Apparently you do not realize why kings hired clowns that dressed to
look the part of regular folks. Has anything about the use of such
clowns changed?

[Derek Lyons]

Bill <black...@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <ho1oq7hr19jfjs4n5...@4ax.com>,
>eug...@dynagen.co.za says...
>>
>> Op Thu, 10 May 2012 19:16:48 +0100, "Keith W"
>> <keithnosp...@demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >A yagi antenna, commonly used for tv reception consists of a
>> >number of metal rods about one half wavelength long mounted on a metal or
>> >insulating backbone rod. Each of the rods is one part of an RF diffraction
>> >grating.
>>
>> All my life I have been seeing those damned things and never bothered
>> to wonder why those little rods existed ....
>
>I thought they functioned as a sort of reflector.

That's precisely what they do. They aren't diffraction gratings of
any sort at all.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

[Dean]

That incomprehensible reply more or less indicates you are a clown,
but not the funny kind. You make a good jester to "King Warhole".

[Brad Guth]

Nice FUD

Got anything else that actually matters?

[Bast]

Bob Officer wrote:

> On Thu, 10 May 2012 05:18:59 -0400, in alt.conspiracy, "Bast"
> <fake...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Here's a link for you to read
>> http://www.realitysandwich.com/kubrick_apollo
>>
>>
>> As for radio needing a medium,...empty space IS a medium.
>> Radio is just R/F at a lower frequency than visible light,.....you can
>> SEE the stars and the sun, so empty space does allow radio to go
>> through it as well.
>> http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~bds2/ltsn/ljm/JAVA/SPECTRUM/details.html
>>
>> Actually radio and infra-red pass through space far easier then visible
>> light, and why radio telescopes are used in Astronomy.
>>
>>
>> BUT,....you are right that there would be a delay in radio
>> transmissions of about 2-3 seconds due to the fact that the speed of
>> light delay is measurable at those distances.
>>
>> And most people never knew that the TV stations didn't get the signals
>> from Apollo,... they had to film them with a camera from NASA's
>> screens.
>> And they didn't have the technology to edit "live" on the fly back
>> then. So any official fairytale story the networks edited out the
>> delays for TV viewers,....is a pile of hooey
>

> Except I listened Live to Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo flights, as did
> other Amateur Radio Operators and SWL world wide. Nasa Offered live
> Feeds, Just as any network offered live feeds over wire to
> affiliates.
>


Better check again,.....most of the Nasa signals were filtered through
Australia, put on very early video tape (2") and then retransmitted to the
control rooms in the U.S
...Yet there was never any official reason given, that the signals should
not have been available as a true live feed

As with other "official fairytale" facts, this is one that gets lost, when
it makes them queezy.




ALL VIDEO THE NETWORKS AIRED, was a camera in front of a rear projection
screen at Nasa.
(do a search for "Kinescope" to get the simple details)
....Playing back the tapes, and claiming it was live.


Here's another factoid most people NOW didn't know.

All those banks of "monitors" that the engineers at mission control, were
sitting at, were not computers at all.
Just regular TV screens, and the data on all was from a video camera of a
wall with the data updated by hand.
Most of them were just getting info on their headsets
But in the early 70's. it sure looked spiffy and important.


Also,.....satellite radio communications was certainly available then.

Which would have made it possible to just have an un-manned relay satellite
in lunar orbit, and beam signals from the earth there and back.
So it would appear to anyone monitoring (like the russians or Jorel Bank)
that signals were coming from the moon.

[Keith W]

Derek Lyons wrote:
> Bill <black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <ho1oq7hr19jfjs4n5...@4ax.com>,
>> eug...@dynagen.co.za says...
>>>
>>> Op Thu, 10 May 2012 19:16:48 +0100, "Keith W"
>>> <keithnosp...@demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A yagi antenna, commonly used for tv reception consists of a
>>>> number of metal rods about one half wavelength long mounted on a
>>>> metal or insulating backbone rod. Each of the rods is one part of
>>>> an RF diffraction grating.
>>>
>>> All my life I have been seeing those damned things and never
>>> bothered to wonder why those little rods existed ....
>>
>> I thought they functioned as a sort of reflector.
>
> That's precisely what they do. They aren't diffraction gratings of
> any sort at all.
>
> D.

A yagi antenna consists of 3 main parts

The Dipole
Base Reflector
Directors

The rods are directors and do indeed act as a diffraction grating
which is why their size and position needs to be matched to
the frequency the antenna is used to receive. Note also
that they are sensitive to polarization. TV broadcasts are
typically horizontally polarized

Keith

[Keith W]

Well no

A chain of receiving stations were built around the world, including the
one in Australia as the moon rather incoveniently orbits the earth.
This would hardly have been necessary or even possible had the
signals been coming from a terrestial origin as those antenna
are highly directional.

Those stations relayed the signals to NASA. The signal was not in truth
hard to receive and a LOT of radio amateurs listened in using simple
home brewed directional antenna.

Keith

[Bill]

In article <Q05rr.14936$EQ....@fx18.am4>,
keithnosp...@demon.co.uk says...

Could one of you two gentleman please put some sums up proving your
case.

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Fri, 11 May 2012 10:37:31 +0100, "Keith W"

Anyone in the right place could have received the raw signals -
provided they had an antenna big enough and the right horn on their
antenna. Minimal size for TV signals was an 85 foot diameter dish ...
Our station at Hartebeesthoek, although officially only receiving and
relaying medical telemetry, managed a marginal TV feed for some of the
time. Of course a 210 foot dish was a lot better ...

Eugene L Griessel

The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the
stupidity of your action.

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Fri, 11 May 2012 11:48:07 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>

There is some maths on the Wiki -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yagi_antenna

Eugene L Griessel

I used to be indecisive; now I'm not sure.

[Bill]

In article <johvi4$q8l$1...@dont-email.me>, fake...@nomail.invalid says...

'Video tape' sounds odd to me, you'd have thought they'd have used an
instrumentation tape recorder or something like that.

An IRIG B type recorder would have been both suitable and available at
that time and inserting a couple of seconds delay between receive and
re-transmit times would have been trivial.

So, looking up the technical spec at:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/TM-X55492.pdf

The telemetry carrier was a meg wide so you'd need the tape to run at
120 ips, and you certainly doesn't need a 2" wide tape. You could do
the whole job with a single quarter inch tape, although you'd want a
large vertically mounted tape transport mechanism to give you the long
loop that's give you the delay you're talking about...

It's not as if they're sending terrestrial quality pictures at 6 Mhz
bandwidth...

> All those banks of "monitors" that the engineers at mission control,
were
> sitting at, were not computers at all.
> Just regular TV screens, and the data on all was from a video camera of a
> wall with the data updated by hand.
> Most of them were just getting info on their headsets
> But in the early 70's. it sure looked spiffy and important.

MOCR 2 still exists so I imagine this wouldn't be too difficult to
check.

Looking at the pictures of the place nothing looks out of the ordinary
for an early 'sixties build.

The screens are obviously repeaters of some kind.

Nobody ever though that each position had its own computers, in those
days computers were BIG.

> Also,.....satellite radio communications was certainly available then.
>
> Which would have made it possible to just have an un-manned relay satellite
> in lunar orbit, and beam signals from the earth there and back.
> So it would appear to anyone monitoring (like the russians or Jorel Bank)
> that signals were coming from the moon.

You have to take a lot of stuff with you to do that.

What would be the point?

[Bill]

In article <n7tpq7l53r395eagb...@4ax.com>,
eug...@dynagen.co.za says...

Which more or less corresponds with what I was taught a long time ago.

No mention of diffraction gratings or radio acting as a particle there
either.

[jonathan]

"Warhol" <mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jofisp$728$1...@dont-email.me...
> Op 10-5-2012 6:46, jonathan schreef:
>> "Warhol"<mol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:jof7sm$obe$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> Op 10-5-2012 3:04, linuxgal schreef:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Light is transported by Rays... and not by waves...
>>> http://idahofoodbank.org/community_gardens/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SUNRAYS.jpg
>>
>>> Waves look like this
>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/2006-01->14_Surface_waves.jpg/300px-2006-01-14_Surface_waves.jpg
>>
>>
>> As convincing as your pictures are, it still doesn't
>> get to the core of the idea when it comes to energy.
>>
>> Maybe your confusion between 'rays' and waves
>> can be cleared up this way. Imagine a long string, and
>> someone taps the string, starting a wave travelling along
>> the string like a spring back and forth.
>>
>> That wave travels along a 'ray', to put it in your terms.
>> So the two are one in the same, a 'ray' that's vibrating
>> like a wave. A radio signal is just someone tapping
>> on that string like morse code.
>>
>> Look at it this way, if you heat something just a little, it
>> vibrates like your picture of waves (radio) If you
>> heat it more it burns, like your picture of the sun
>> or your candle (light).
>>
>> They're still the same thing, energy, but at different
>> intensities/frequencies.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Light travels in straight line... see principle of photography... and
> imagine that
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/demonstrating-how-light-travels-in-straight-lines/1625.html
>
> is this really so hard to understand for lunatics, that light ain't emf or
> a radio wave... Light is emitted by a source as a fire, oil lamp, candle,
> sun... none of this produce emf... or emit radio waves... but this is
> really not the subject of thread... you are off topic man...
>
> And BTW I would like to discuss the topic of the thread!!!... can we???
> the comments of Neil or Walter Cronkite commentary at CBS News... how

> could that have been overlooked for more than 40 years!

I watched this videos , the Disney references in the
captions were clearly satire added by the person that
posted the video. Those last few minutes before landing
have been listened to eleventy billion times over the
last 40 years, are you saying you're the first
to hear the words "Disney" in the recordings?

You have a couple of pretty lame Utube videos with
false captions on your side, here's several thousand
high-def images from the moon on the other side.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/

Which should anyone believe?



s

[Dean]

On May 11, 7:24 am, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <n7tpq7l53r395eagbh02crv61dugu4r...@4ax.com>,
> eug...@dynagen.co.za says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Op Fri, 11 May 2012 11:48:07 +0100, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article <Q05rr.14936$EQ.7...@fx18.am4>,
> > >keithnospoofsple...@demon.co.uk says...
>
> > >> Derek Lyons wrote:
> > >> > Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> In article <ho1oq7hr19jfjs4n5ni6ebhqslbmeq4...@4ax.com>,

> > >> >> eug...@dynagen.co.za says...
>
> > >> >>> Op Thu, 10 May 2012 19:16:48 +0100, "Keith W"

> > >> >>> <keithnospoofsple...@demon.co.uk>  wrote:

Try looking at this:

http://www.launc.tased.edu.au/online/sciences/physics/diffra/diffrac.htm

[Keith W]

Hardly surprising, not all of life is in Wiki

Take a look in your local library

Start with
Gratings and Grating Antennas
by Christopher T. Rodenbeck and Kai Chang

The formation of grating lobes by directional antenna such as the Yagi
is quite well understood and radio astronomers try their best to
suppress it. Grating lobes are observed with RF, optical and
ultrasound systems.

There is a nice article on how diffraction gratings work at radio
frequencies
on this site

http://fusioned.gat.com/images/pdf/EMcurriculum.pdf

They show how you can make an FM Radio Diffraction Grating
using parked cars


Keith

[Bill]

In article <Wx7rr.456953$sE1.1...@fx22.am4>,
keithnosp...@demon.co.uk says...

>

> >
> > Which more or less corresponds with what I was taught a long time ago.
> >
> > No mention of diffraction gratings or radio acting as a particle there
> > either.
>
> Hardly surprising, not all of life is in Wiki
>
> Take a look in your local library

With the best will in the world I very much doubt that our village
library has anything beyond the odd book for Radio Amateurs.

>
> http://fusioned.gat.com/images/pdf/EMcurriculum.pdf
>
> They show how you can make an FM Radio Diffraction Grating
> using parked cars

Interesting, thanks.

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Fri, 11 May 2012 10:37:31 +0100, "Keith W"

http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/news_events/apollo11/

Eugene L Griessel

Slang is language that has rolled up its sleeves, spat on its hands
and gone to work.

[Mitchell Holman]

Bob Officer <bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote in
news:rl4qq7pj15i410bb0...@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 10 May 2012 23:03:30 -0400, in alt.conspiracy, "Bast"

> Dufus, Radios were freely available to those with the ability to use
> them. I listened to mutliple flights over the radio live. Live from
> an antenna to local radio.

>
>>ALL VIDEO THE NETWORKS AIRED, was a camera in front of a rear
>>projection screen at Nasa.
>>(do a search for "Kinescope" to get the simple details)
>>....Playing back the tapes, and claiming it was live.
>

> The broadcasts was in real time.



And even included the 1.5 second delay it took for
the signals to pass between the earth and moon.

>
>>
>>Here's another factoid most people NOW didn't know.
>>
>>All those banks of "monitors" that the engineers at mission control,
>>were sitting at, were not computers at all.
>>Just regular TV screens, and the data on all was from a video camera
>>of a wall with the data updated by hand.
>>Most of them were just getting info on their headsets
>>But in the early 70's. it sure looked spiffy and important.
>

> Actually that was data displays.

>
>>
>>Also,.....satellite radio communications was certainly available then.
>>
>>Which would have made it possible to just have an un-manned relay
>>satellite in lunar orbit, and beam signals from the earth there and
>>back. So it would appear to anyone monitoring (like the russians or
>>Jorel Bank) that signals were coming from the moon.
>

> one didn't need a large array to hear audio. You make it sound even
> more complicated than it need be. any conspiracy with that many
> players would have fallen apart much sooner, .


Not to mention the Russians who had every reason
to claim it was fake but instead acknowledged the
landings really happened.

[linuxgal]

Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
> Not to mention the Russians who had every reason
> to claim it was fake but instead acknowledged the
> landings really happened.
>

This is the same principle whereby we can be assured Osama bin Laden is
dead. His homies swear to avenge his death.

[HVAC]

Yes. Osama won't be coming down for breakfast this morning.

When your phone doesn't ring, that will be Bin Laden calling.















--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

[BDK]

In article <bp6dnVA2f8cagjHS...@giganews.com>,
gbl...@hnpl.net says...

>
> On 5/10/2012 9:18 PM, Bast wrote:
> > Here's a link for you to read
> > http://www.realitysandwich.com/kubrick_apollo
> >
> >

> bast advertising her stupidity

Dumb as a brick and proud of it. Actually, that might be overrating her
a bit. Maybe dumb as a dog turd?

--
BDK- Head FUD-Master Blaster.

[Keith W]

Bill wrote:
> In article <Wx7rr.456953$sE1.1...@fx22.am4>,
> keithnosp...@demon.co.uk says...
>>
>
>>>
>>> Which more or less corresponds with what I was taught a long time
>>> ago.
>>>
>>> No mention of diffraction gratings or radio acting as a particle
>>> there either.
>>
>> Hardly surprising, not all of life is in Wiki
>>
>> Take a look in your local library
>
> With the best will in the world I very much doubt that our village
> library has anything beyond the odd book for Radio Amateurs.
>
>

Neither has mine but they can get them in on an interlibrary
loan and you can oder them on the library web site. They
email us when they are in.

Keith

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Fri, 11 May 2012 13:09:28 +0200, Eugene Griessel

<eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:


>Anyone in the right place could have received the raw signals -
>provided they had an antenna big enough and the right horn on their
>antenna. Minimal size for TV signals was an 85 foot diameter dish ...
>Our station at Hartebeesthoek, although officially only receiving and
>relaying medical telemetry, managed a marginal TV feed for some of the
>time. Of course a 210 foot dish was a lot better ...

http://www.hartrao.ac.za/other/dss51/missions.html


Eugene L Griessel

Most important rule for successful computer operation:
Be smarter than the equipment you operate.

[George152]

Can't be. Dog turd is at least 3 IQ points above warm lettuce

[Mitchell Holman]

linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in
news:OoedneCiSf9svDDS...@giganews.com:

Al Queda itself says the hit was real.

But that won't stop the rightwing conspiracy
nuts from going on yet another feeding frenzy.

[Brad Guth]

The Earth-moon L1 was easiest and by far the most energy efficient to
get astronauts safely to/from.

[Brad Guth]

On May 11, 7:02 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> Bob Officer <boboffic...@127.0.0.7> wrote innews:rl4qq7pj15i410bb0...@4ax.com:

You mean those Russians were always 100% trustworthy, and not using
the "space race" to the moon as any ruse method of government job and
benefit security?

Since when was the Russian military industrial complex operating as
anything truly honest, accountable and not the least bit secretive or
pulling off any ruse?

[joeturn]

>  Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Its obvious the Russians were first because someone had to film the
Eagles landing from the surface of the moon as you can see mother
earth in the background!&^#$

[BDK]

In article <jvmdnTo0t42N7zDS...@giganews.com>,
gbl...@hnpl.net says...

Damn, I forgot.

[Brad Guth]

Upon a monochromatic and naked moon of zero ionized sodium, as well as
a zero X-ray and/or gamma radiation environment, and not even any UV
none the less. We had no idea our unshielded Kodak film with
unfiltered optics was that good.

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Sat, 12 May 2012 10:39:41 +0100, Jeff <je...@jsystems.com> wrote:

>
>> No mention of diffraction gratings or radio acting as a particle there
>> either.
>>
>>
>

> Just google diffraction grating antennas and you will find a mass of
>articles and papers on the subject.

Electrons behave both as waves and particles. I don't think Bill
would deny that radio waves involve electrons. And every wave from
gamma radiotion through to radio waves, the EM spectrum, exhibits the
curious dual property of acting both like waves and particles. Any
high school textbook on the subject makes that clear.



Eugene L Griessel

Adroitness, concupiscence, and perspicacity are the epitome of
savoir-faire. -- Spam

[Bill]

In article <p8csq7dl0vfg2uook...@4ax.com>,
eug...@dynagen.co.za says...

>
> Op Sat, 12 May 2012 10:39:41 +0100, Jeff <je...@jsystems.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >> No mention of diffraction gratings or radio acting as a particle there
> >> either.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Just google diffraction grating antennas and you will find a mass of
> >articles and papers on the subject.
>
> Electrons behave both as waves and particles. I don't think Bill
> would deny that radio waves involve electrons. And every wave from
> gamma radiotion through to radio waves, the EM spectrum, exhibits the
> curious dual property of acting both like waves and particles. Any
> high school textbook on the subject makes that clear.
>

Radio is funny stuff, and as we can't see it it's even funnier.

However I'd never come across the idea of radio diffraction gratings.

Having read up on it I can now see why.

A useful one for HF would be bigger than an FLR 9 'elephant cage', and
not steerable...

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Sat, 12 May 2012 12:59:19 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Radio is funny stuff, and as we can't see it it's even funnier.

No more peculiar than any of the electromagnetic spectrum. Just on
the low end of it. Maxwell showed that all electromagnetic waves
travel at the speed of light and all behave the same and have two
distinct components. The fact that visible light sits almost dead
centre, and is visible, of the EM spectrum should never blind us to
the fact!

Off to feed Schroedinger's cat - it is miaaowing pitifully from the
box so I guess the radioactive decay hasn't happened yet....

Eugene L Griessel

Smash forehead on keyboard to continue...

[Bill]

In article <6jlsq7h9so3mtj8a7...@4ax.com>,
eug...@dynagen.co.za says...

I seem to remember that Schroedinger's answer to the question 'Is the
cat alive or dead depending on if you look at it or not?' was:

"Don't be silly."