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From: "Keith W" <keithnospoofsple...@demon.co.uk>
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dott.Piergiorgio wrote:
> Il 30/09/2012 00:09, Keith W ha scritto:
>> Bill wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:21:54 -0400, "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The only way for democracy to succeed is if the people involved
>>>> make it happen. We can't do it for them, we can only give them
>>>> the opportunity and resources.
>>>>
>>>> In a dictatorship, there's no way to know what the people want
>>>> or their opinions. So I think the west should wait until the people
>>>> involved have made their opinions clear in some way, by rebelling
>>>> and such as in Egypt, Libya and Syria. Then the world should
>>>> step forward and help make it happen.
>>>>
>>>> All these Arab uprisings have been creating a template I believe
>>>> for the future. Hopefully the world will build a consensus on when
>>>> and how to pool their resources to help the hot-spot of the day.
>>>>
>>>> If the people around the world start to believe that if they
>>>> rise up against their dictator, the free world will then come
>>>> to the rescue, then democracy could start spreading like
>>>> wildfire.
>>>
>>> Iran is not a dictatorship.
>>>
>>
>>
>> No its a theocracy which is MUCH harder to remove.
>
> you sure ? here in 1870 we removed the most ancient and longest-lived
> theocracy in a breeze....
>

Sorry but it was hardly a breeze. The temporal power of the
Papal States was fatally undermined by Napoleon Bonaparte
and despite its restoration after 1815 it was deeply unpopular.

The rebellions of the 1840's spread to Rome in and 1849 left the
Pope with no choice but to flee the city. His position was
only restored with the help of Napoleon III of France who
sent troops to Rome. By 1860 the newly formed kingdom
of Italy controlled 2/3 of the old Papal States and by 1870
all that was left was the region of Latium. This collapsed
with the destruction of the French second empire at the hands
of the Prussians and French troops were withdrawn

In short the events of 1870 were the final acts of  a series of
rebellions that started in 1848 and involved two decades
of warfare.

Keith