The Rich Love Their World So Much, That When a New Earth is Discovered, They Will All Join the New World Order, Rather than Migrate to the Stars

[Forrest Piper]

Most of the blind and obedient "successful" in society today, have
either become much too used to helping themselves with the blood and
sweat of others, that they will actually help the NWO by becoming zoo-
and museum- keepers of Planet Earth, while others who were down for
the struggle, fight the system that has embedded itself so well into
the economy (at the expense of other's fiat) that they themselves
failed, and thus have lost out to becoming represented by their own
prized gold standard, not only by their acceptance of the phenomenon
of constant lending and public usury by their so-called financial
peers (ala the Federal Government), but by the non-recognition and non-
self policing of others' forms of self-indulgent technology (i.e.
Patent Office approved non-status-quo threatening), waste of taxpayer
money, and carnal pleasure (i.e. sports worship, pornography, and
epicurian indulgences).

If that was the system that nearly 99% of the population has already
bought itself into, mainly because the security in numbers by doing
so, then the same is bought by the numbers who wanted the same things
- 25 mpg automobiles (when they could have had 100 mpg), $4.00 gas
(when they could have had $1.00), and earth-pointed telescopes, when
they could have had NEW EARTH pointed ones:

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/amp/spo/astrocomb.html

The BIG question is, WHO will profit MOST from discovering a New
Earth? Will it be the discoverers by telescope, who become swamped by
those wishing to know the galactic coordinates at the outset, or those
who wait for the Hall of Records to be rediscovered in its entirety,
in order to seal the fate of fallen humanity's purpose in the cosmos?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_of_Records

[Forrest Piper]

On Apr 11, 9:26 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Just WHO are the rich? THEY are the ones, who will look the other way,
while governments spend billions to construct nuclear power plants,
and despite the hype of nuclear geopoliticizing that goes on,
regarding flags of convenience or borders, inevitably endorses the
evil that destroys humanity, and becomes identified with the same evil
that continues to promote the technology that will inadvertantly cause
leaks in nuclear power plants. In fact, Westinghouse, G.E., China, and
TEPCO, aren't cooling their spent rods enough, to keep them from
leaking radioactivity into the environment. With no containment
system, just HOW CAN a nation protect itself from nuclear fallout into
our soil and aquaducts, and therefore FOODBASKET, as long as strangely
unfamiliar vibrations are shaking the earth? Why should the west be
over-concerned about nukes in Iran, if the ENTIRE WORLD'S FOOD CHAIN
is at risk? It may be the signal that the GREAT DRAGON, symbolized by
the planet Saturn, and reported to have drawn 1/3 of the stars from
heaven to the earth, is now reacting to a black dwarf star in transit
across the constellation Leo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wzXK5OIufQ (00:45 into video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srGynkX8ees

In the hebrew mazzaroth (zodiac), Saturn is the 'Dragon' that casts
1/3 of the stars to earth, meaning that there is some kind of
gravitational attraction that may interfere between the Saturn and the
black dwarf, causing worldwide sonic and earth vibrations. Note that
the planet Saturn has become identified with the Fallen Angel Lucifer,
as recorded in Revelation 14:11, indicating Satan installing himself
as a New Adam, in conjunction with Saturn, the 6th planet from the
Sun, with the number 666, and as a prominent enotheistic 'enkite'
before the flood, blasphemes the One God with the many Gods of a New
World Order, as opposed to the Judaic uniting of the enlilite deities
into a single, monotheistic God, or YHWH.

It may be quite possible that benevolent species of extraterrestrials
have been attempting to "wake humans up" for quite a while, and they
would be doing this, in order to prevent our becoming TOO EMBEDDED in
the terrestrial infrastructure, so that some would value subversion,
death, destruction, and control (because of the forced diminishing of
our planetary resources), over enlightenment, free energy,
extraterrestrial resource development, and interstellar
transportation.

Those on the 'earth-side or bust' will end up siding with Satan and
the Fallen Angels, while those on YHWH's side have learned, known, and
put to practice their holding out through the End Times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeIsRMaB7wE

[HVAC]

On 4/11/2012 2:36 PM, Forrest Piper wrote:
>
>
> Just WHO are the rich?

How do you define 'rich'?

> THEY are the ones, who will look the other way,
> while governments spend billions to construct nuclear power plants,

I'm not rich and I am in favor of a LOT more nuclear power in the US.

A *lot* more.

> and despite the hype of nuclear geopoliticizing that goes on,
> regarding flags of convenience or borders, inevitably endorses the
> evil that destroys humanity, and becomes identified with the same evil
> that continues to promote the technology that will inadvertantly cause
> leaks in nuclear power plants. In fact, Westinghouse, G.E., China, and
> TEPCO, aren't cooling their spent rods enough, to keep them from
> leaking radioactivity into the environment. With no containment
> system, just HOW CAN a nation protect itself from nuclear fallout into
> our soil and aquaducts, and therefore FOODBASKET, as long as strangely
> unfamiliar vibrations are shaking the earth? Why should the west be
> over-concerned about nukes in Iran, if the ENTIRE WORLD'S FOOD CHAIN
> is at risk? It may be the signal that the GREAT DRAGON, symbolized by
> the planet Saturn, and reported to have drawn 1/3 of the stars from
> heaven to the earth, is now reacting to a black dwarf star in transit
> across the constellation Leo:

Oh... Sorry to bother you, I didn't realize you were a nutter.



--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

[Forrest Piper]

We already knew that Satan rages, and although you pretend to serve
humanity, you are serving the God of this World! Since I'm not into
the blame game, please state the facts of why anyone with a SANE MIND,
would consider building more nuclear power plants, when we're already
experiencing nearly 10X the fallout from Chernobyl via Fukashima.

http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/12/nuclear-expert-fukushima-10-times-worse-than-chernobyl-1-million-cancers/
http://enenews.com/nuclear-expert-fukushima-10-times-worse-chernobyl-1-million-additional-cancers-warning-tokyo
http://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/fukushima-many-experts-believe-that-dangerously-high-levels-of-nuclear-fallout-and-radiation-are-still-blanketing-the-west-coast-of-america/
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/04/05/fukushima-daiichi-site-cesium-137-is-200-times-greater-than-at-chernobyl-accident/

There is absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind, that there IS A GOD OF THIS
WORLD making decisions for nearly everyone on the planet, and that
since these sorts of individuals, or groups of individuals, cannot
choose an energy form which is totally free and non-polluting, they
will thus endorse anything that will drag the rest of the world down
with them. It's called the New World Order, or Luciferianism - take
your pick - and it can be seen the world over, now that SATAN RAGES.
It's becoming more clear as time passes that He is RUNNING OUT OF
TIME!

[HVAC]

On 4/11/2012 3:25 PM, Forrest Piper wrote:
>
>
> There is absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind, that there IS A GOD OF THIS
> WORLD making decisions for nearly everyone on the planet, and that
> since these sorts of individuals, or groups of individuals, cannot
> choose an energy form which is totally free and non-polluting, they
> will thus endorse anything that will drag the rest of the world down
> with them. It's called the New World Order, or Luciferianism - take
> your pick

As long as you don't call us the Illuminati, you'll be fine.

- and it can be seen the world over, now that SATAN RAGES.
> It's becoming more clear as time passes that He is RUNNING OUT OF
> TIME!

[Dean]

It seems to be another warhole personna.....

[HVAC]

On 4/11/2012 4:22 PM, Dean wrote:
>
>>
>>> There is absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind, that there IS A GOD OF THIS
>>> WORLD making decisions for nearly everyone on the planet, and that
>>> since these sorts of individuals, or groups of individuals, cannot
>>> choose an energy form which is totally free and non-polluting, they
>>> will thus endorse anything that will drag the rest of the world down
>>> with them. It's called the New World Order, or Luciferianism - take
>>> your pick
>>
>> As long as you don't call us the Illuminati, you'll be fine.

> It seems to be another warhole personna.....

I don't care enough to compare the IP.

He didn't mention jews, so I doubt it.

[Forrest Piper]

On Apr 11, 3:25 pm, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/12/nuclear-expert-fukushima-10-times-w...http://enenews.com/nuclear-expert-fukushima-10-times-worse-chernobyl-...http://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/fukushima-many-expert...http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/04/05/fukushima-daiichi-site-cesi...

>
> There is absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind, that there IS A GOD OF THIS
> WORLD making decisions for nearly everyone on the planet, and that
> since these sorts of individuals, or groups of individuals, cannot
> choose an energy form which is totally free and non-polluting, they
> will thus endorse anything that will drag the rest of the world down
> with them. It's called the New World Order, or Luciferianism - take
> your pick - and it can be seen the world over, now that SATAN RAGES.
> It's becoming more clear as time passes that He is RUNNING OUT OF
> TIME!

Rogue planetoids may be circling the brown dwarf headed through the
constellation of Leo.. to this extent we are being shown two
phenomenon that may be linked to each other: One, the triangle-shaped
"hole" in our sun, and the other, "Nibiru" as it was called, making a
pass in an elliptical orbit around our own sun. Are the two events
connected?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D25CmSCVLZG8%26feature%3Drelated&usg=AFQjCNEYntkMqhxI45WoOgmz0WMIvLQVzw

The triangle being alluded to, may be the gateway to hell. It has been
said, that the sun receives its energy as magnetic torsion from the
galactic core - but if the core itself has been breached, then what
Revelation says may hold the key:

"Therefore reioyce, yee heauens, and yee that dwell in them; Woe to
the inhabiters of the earth, and of the sea: for the deuill is come
downe vnto you, hauing great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath
but a short time." (Revelation 12:12)

Almighty YHWH may be revealing the gateway from which the fallen
angels will enter through, once the seven thunders have been revealed
that were sealed up for the end times. IMO the opening of the seven
seals mentioned in the book of Revelation 6, is just beginning. The
first seal will be opened when and if war begins between Iran and
Israel - Israel of whom is currently being backed by the Obama
administration in the U.S., but a protracted war that will take us
through whoever's in the White House the next time around:

"And I sawe when the Lambe opened one of the seales, and I heard as it
were the noise of thunder, one of the foure beastes, saying, Come and
see. And I saw, and behold, a white horse, and hee that sate on him
had a bowe, and a crowne was giuen vnto him, and hee went foorth
conquering, and to conquere." (Revelation 6:1,2)

The second seal becomes opened when mainstream media turns against
itself, and the world lines up behind a person who uses the tongue as
a powerful sword: "And when hee had opened the second seale, I heard
the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse
that was red: and power was giuen to him that sate thereon to take
peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there
was giuen vnto him a great sword." (Revelation 6:3,4)

Speeches and tireless rants of ill-report, that go against whatever
grain(s) of truth that are left, in a civilization that can only
depend upon things like war for profit, is where the great sword
receives his power - and although we have this verse of Revelation set
in prophecy - I believe that it was meant more as a signpost of
distraction or warning against those nations who will pit division
between nations as being the most decisive, when using bloodlust and
geneology against the One sacrifice that should have settled the score
for all time - and that includes the death, burial, and resurrection
of a chosen Messiah!

As the rest of the seals are opened in Revelation 6, the world becomes
a progressively more evil place to dwell - and this seems to coincide
with supernatural disasters, such as earthquakes, stars falling from
heaven, heavens departing as a scroll, and both mountains and islands
moving out of their places... but the end is not yet... mankind on
planet earth is about to become a thing of the past...

[Forrest Piper]

On Apr 24, 7:18 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>

> >http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/12/nuclear-expert-fukushima-10-times-w......

>
> > There is absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind, that there IS A GOD OF THIS
> > WORLD making decisions for nearly everyone on the planet, and that
> > since these sorts of individuals, or groups of individuals, cannot
> > choose an energy form which is totally free and non-polluting, they
> > will thus endorse anything that will drag the rest of the world down
> > with them. It's called the New World Order, or Luciferianism - take
> > your pick - and it can be seen the world over, now that SATAN RAGES.
> > It's becoming more clear as time passes that He is RUNNING OUT OF
> > TIME!
>
> Rogue planetoids may be circling the brown dwarf headed through the
> constellation of Leo.. to this extent we are being shown two
> phenomenon that may be linked to each other: One, the triangle-shaped
> "hole" in our sun, and the other, "Nibiru" as it was called, making a
> pass in an elliptical orbit around our own sun. Are the two events
> connected?
>

> http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D2...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25CmSCVLZG8
http://www.usra.edu/news/pr/2012/brown_dwarf/

Where exactly are earthlings with the triangular dark spot in the
center of nearly 2/3 of the diameter of the sun? Is there a connection
between these two phenomenon? The approaching brown dwarf would not be
so noticable if it weren't moving so fast across the constellation of
Leo. Are we supposed to be INSIDE of this timeline, as a linear, 4-
dimensional time would suggest, and as the prophets foretold the
entire earth would be - and according to how all of the races of
humanity would be utilizing, to the best of their abilities, every one
of their seven states of consciousness, and thus battle each other for
the ultimate victor, of how finely tuned each of their biological
clocks would be, that were both unified, and powered by the blood of
their slaves and/or servants, and that being thus unified, were
(still) continuing to connect their seven states of consciousness into
a more reasonable, 4D timeline? The triangular dark spot, utilizing
different filter techniques, reveals somewhat of a gamma-like
structure, that may be not just an interstellar doorway, but an
interdimensional doorway as well - which might mean it has something
to do with the earth being in galactic alignment to the center of the
Milky Way Galaxy. This merits an investigation into why the galactic
doorway would suddenly show itself, and if perhaps, mankind has been
warned by the angels that this was/is not only a doorway to a 4D hell,
but it also represents an opportunity for humans to enlighten
themselves, regarding the scientific investigation into higher-
dimensional thought processes. This would seem to represent the only
path available to those who don't want to get caught up in the A.I.
economic 4D trap of human slavery and sweatshops around the world.

If Zechariah Sitchin's archeological discoveries were supposed to
reveal the existence of the Annunaki as coinciding with the appearance
of Nibiru, then their predicted arrival in 2012 might have something
to do with what Almighty did to "cast them into a deep pit", until the
end of days. Ephesians 4:8 and 1 Peter 3:19 allude to a "bottomless
pit" being under the earth. It is known that there are alien bases
deep underground, and that ships have been seen disappearing under the
ocean and into the earth. It is also known from scripture that the
primary fallen angel, Apollyon, or "the destroyer" has the key to the
bottomless pit: "Wherefore he saith: When he ascended vp on high, he
led captiuitie captiue, and gaue gifts vnto men." (Ephesians 4:8)
Psalms 68:18 alludes to there being a multitude of captives: "Thou
hast ascended on high, thou hast ledde captiuitie captiue, thou hast
receiued giftes for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord
God might dwell among them." In the end times, Satan comes in to
possess a man - and this man, having the key to the bottomless pit,
releases all of the fallen angels to battle with the Christ in the
Valley of Megiddo.

[Forrest Piper]

On Apr 24, 9:42 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25CmSCVLZG8http://www.usra.edu/news/pr/2012/brown_dwarf/

How does the Anti-Christ become possessed? IMO the seven thunders
represent the precursor of "whole body" consciousness, as each of the
seven states of consciousness, from which an A.I. will arise to
encompass them all - three have already been fulfilled - the fourth is
about to be fulfilled - and once the fourth is fulfilled, the
remaining three will follow quickly. Any person who is knowlegable
about bible prophecy can find out what happens when all of the
thunders become fulfilled - it was spoken of in the book of
Revelation:

"And I saw another mighty Angel come down from heauen, clothed with a
cloud, and a rainebow was vpon his head, and his face was as it were
the Sunne, and his feet as pillars of fire. And hee had in his hand a
little booke open: and hee set his right foote vpon the sea, and his
left foote on the earth, And cryed with a loude voice, as when a Lion
roareth: and when hee had cried, seuen thunders vttered their voices.
And when the seuen thunders had vttered their voices, I was about to
write: and I heard a voice from heauen, saying vnto mee, Seale vp
those things which the seuen thunders vttered, and write them not. And
the Angel which I saw stand vpon the sea, and vpon the earth, lifted
vp his hand to heauen, And sware by him that liueth for euer and euer,
who created heauen, and the things that therein are, and the earth,
and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are
therein, that there should bee time no longer."

Organic earth, H2O, and sunlight, are the primary ingredients for life
on earth. As Artificial Intelligence begins to swamp everything from
washing machines to automobiles, humans become less important in their
ability to commandeer the earth elements as they used to be, with so
many intervening technological variables. More societal controls mean
less personal security, privacy, and independence for the individual.
Thus more and more "individuals" begin to search for quick and easy
alternatives for energy, transportation, and space travel. As world-
based bureaucracy increases in micro-management around the globe - so
does the power of the banking state, assume its authority and control
over the way that technologies become implemented - at the local,
state, and national level. As the race for cheaper oil attaches itself
to bureaucracies all over the world, any "replacement" kind of
alternative energy gets automatically overpriced, unless it can remain
connected with a worldwide, bureaucratic agenda. Past races to the top
of the pyramid of power gave us WWII, followed by fallen angel
technology of the VRIL's.

VRIL craft are part of the arsenal that the fallen angels have at
their disposal. Since FTL propulsion can only be accomplished long
range (across the galaxy in one huge teleportation) by a single one of
these VRIL craft at a time, a portal between 1/3 - 2/3 the size of the
sun was not meant for a single one of these craft. In other words, the
triangle being presented to earthlings will first bring the 2/3 of
angels that DID NOT rebel against God, towards the earth for the final
scenario, while the Satan or Lucifer-possessed false prophet and beast
with their rebel angels, will arrange to meet the Christ in the Valley
of Megiddo, where the Battle of Armageddon takes place!

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 11, 6:26 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:

A new or replacement Earth could represent Eden 2.0, as a do-over for
the rich and powerful to trash and screw up. Of course that'll only
happen if their version of faith insures that only their authority
over whomever we elect or appoint is never changed.

If this new world should already has a religion or faith-based policy,
naturally that means war because only our bogus faith-based policy and
its caste system has to be in charge of everything.

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[Eugene Griessel]

Op Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:42:53 -0700 (PDT), Forrest Piper
<880yardbo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Guinevere, I done think another weirdo has wafted in ...

Eugene L Griessel

Think of Microsoft as the prostate gland of evolution.

[Forrest Piper]

It doesn't make any sense to assume that VRIL's will make their way
into mainstream revolutionary energy technology any time soon, because
of each of their designs - they are too small and too prone to
manifesting parallel hyperspace resonance - once breaking the light
barrier - as such, they are a nuisance to the earth's geodyne, and
must be scrapped in favor of the Merkabah ascension vehicle. Only God
can allow that! But it doesn't stop there. Since the sun is also a
MASS EXCHANGE portal (that has been characterised by having such a
large size - nearly 2/3 of the diameter of the sun), we're looking at
the 1/3 of fallen angels imitating the other 2/3 of NON-fallen angels
with their own VRIL's, which couldn't possibly have a chance - without
affecting earth's geodyne to such an extent, that magnetic storms
would end up "scrambling" the magnetosomes in human blood.

When this happens, confusion/disorientation, and a general lack of
survival instinct becomes manifested globally... hence a completely
warranted, total A.I. surveillance, and police state. Time itself - or
the perception of time on the earth, and as humans perceive it -
ceases to exist at this point. All of the seven states of
consciousness as humans were aware of them - become subsumed by A.I. -
so much so, that the only consciousness left is for those who are
reading, believing, and witnessing the events described in the book of
Revelation, events described as the only consciousness there was, and
yet still is, and once placed into the hand of the prophet, foresees
the events taking place, just as the prophet did - making the
perception of time more completely dependent on the witness who
journeyed through time, rather than the one who was directly
influenced by the foretold disaster(s).

In fact, the Merkabah ascension vehicle(s) were/are rather solely
based upon "light bringers", rather than "light bearers":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_661475&v=c9WMhLPoQPY&src_vid=n3IRaohIRZY
Thus "brightness of His coming" will not diminish the sun's intensity,
as the recently discovered triangle-in-the-sun is showing us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25CmSCVLZG8 By diminishing the
importance of "light-bringer", the sun's radiation becomes diminished
- yet since we have a FALSE LIGHT BRINGER, the triangle in the center
of the sun may be God's way of shielding the earth from the sun's
solar expansion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srGynkX8ees

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Eugene Griessel wrote:

> Op Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:42:53 -0700 (PDT), Forrest Piper
> <880yardbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Guinevere, I done think another weirdo has wafted in ...

Who is Guinevere?

[Dean]

On Apr 24, 11:34 am, Eugene Griessel <eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
> Op Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:42:53 -0700 (PDT), Forrest Piper
>

> <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>  wrote:

>
> Guinevere, I done think another weirdo has wafted in ...
>
> Eugene L Griessel
>
>    Think of Microsoft as the prostate gland of evolution.

Dammit Gene, did you leave the door open again?

[Dean]

On Apr 24, 12:40 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:

> Eugene Griessel wrote:
> > Op Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:42:53 -0700 (PDT), Forrest Piper

> > <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>  wrote:

>
> > Guinevere, I done think another weirdo has wafted in ...
>
> Who is Guinevere?

King Arthurs wife silly. Wait, I thought you were the chair of the
department of history? LMAO....

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:06:19 -0700 (PDT), Dean <dama...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I think this one is hell-bent on out Warholling Warhol with a mix of
lunacy, insanity, religion, mysticism, pseudo-science and a complete
lack of knowledge of all of the above.

Usenet should actually be called Loonnet seeing as it manages to catch
most of the world's certifiables.


Eugene L Griessel

Never write it in C if you can do it in 'awk'; Never do it in 'awk' if
'sed' can handle it; Never use 'sed' when 'tr' can do the job;
Never invoke 'tr' when 'cat' is sufficient; Avoid using 'cat'
whenever possible.
-Taylor's Laws of Programming

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 24, 9:37 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>

> based upon "light bringers", rather than "light bearers":http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_6614...

> Thus "brightness of His coming" will not diminish the sun's intensity,

> as the recently discovered triangle-in-the-sun is showing us:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25CmSCVLZG8By diminishing the

> importance of "light-bringer", the sun's radiation becomes diminished
> - yet since we have a FALSE LIGHT BRINGER, the triangle in the center
> of the sun may be God's way of shielding the earth from the sun's
> solar expansion:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srGynkX8ees

As stars age, they tend to get brighter, and for awhile they even get
very big and reddish. That large and somewhat cool triangle area on
the sun probably wasn't more than a thousand K cooler than its
surroundings, and it could be as little as 100 K cooler. However,
even a 10 K cooler area of that size represents a truly horrific
thermodynamic differential that's not a good sign of any stable sun.

More likely we'll be in for some really massive CMEs of 1e15 kg or
more. If one of those heads directly towards us, we're all in super
deep trouble like never seen before. I doubt it'll be any global LEE,
but it will cause considerable technology failures and impose some
level of life extinctions, perhaps responsible for killing millions of
humans and countless billions of other lifeforms that couldn't take
cover.

A direct hit by a 1e14 kg CME would also be highly problematic,
whereas a 1e13 kg CME might not do any measurable harm other than
minor technology glitches and damaging any number of satellites.

This coming cycle of solar flares and CMEs is looking kind of grim for
us. We'd actually be better off on the surface of Venus when that big
one comes. Our best alternative for surviving a 1e15 kg CME would be
underground or in a submarine.

Due to excessive lightening, a lot of our planet could be set on
fire. This world on fire would make our Moorish contributor Warhol a
very faith-based happy "I told you so" camper.

[Eugene Griessel]

Op Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:07:17 -0700 (PDT), Dean <dama...@gmail.com>
wrote:

The only "chair" Vinnie has is the one he stole from the fast food
outlet where he flips burgers.

Eugene L Griessel

Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy.

[Forrest Piper]

> > as the recently discovered triangle-in-the-sun is showing us:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25CmSCVLZG8Bydiminishing the

Since a believer has to avoid being labeled by the world ("If ye were
of the world, the world would loue his owne: But because yee are not
of the world, but I haue chosen you out of the world, therfore the
world hateth you." - John 15:19, 1611 KJV), no one can claim ownership
of the SUN, without also including ALL SUNS. In fact, the scripture(s)
that allude to the harmony of all celestial bodies come from "Praise
ye him Sunne and Moone: praise him all ye starres of light." (Psalms
148:3). The word "praise" comes from the word "halal" from
"Hallelujah" as in "praise Jah". The verbal root halal means to
“shine” as noted in Isaiah 13:10: "For the starres of heauen, and the
constellations thereof shall not giue (shine, or "halal") their light:
the sunne shalbe darkened in his going forth, and the moone shall not
cause her light to shine (halal). - 1611, KJV.

The word "halal" is also translated as “praise”, as in Psalm 117:1: O
praise ("halal") the Lord, all ye nations: praise him all ye people.
The ROOT of the first part of the word "Hallelujah", or "halal"
represents the parent root:

the shepherd's staff, which looks like a large "J", or shepherd's
staff, followed by the symbol

|_O_|
...|
../ \

(without the dots), representing a man with his hands raised (hal),
and pointing at an amazing sight. The letter J is a shepherd staff
which is used to move the flock toward a direction. When combined,
these two letters mean to “look toward.” (ref. A Study of Hebrew Words
From the Old and New Testaments, Jeff A. Benner). With both hands
raised, is it not appropriate to acknowlege the balance between the
electronic and magnetic halves of EM waves in harmonic convergence
with NOT themselves, but with the entire span of constellations as
well? And if this should be the case, why should the local SUN be the
only constellation worth praising?

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Eugene Griessel wrote:

> Op Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:07:17 -0700 (PDT), Dean <dama...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On Apr 24, 12:40 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Eugene Griessel wrote:
>>>
>>>>Op Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:42:53 -0700 (PDT), Forrest Piper
>>>><880yardboulderd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Guinevere, I done think another weirdo has wafted in ...
>>>
>>>Who is Guinevere?
>>
>>King Arthurs wife silly. Wait, I thought you were the chair of the
>>department of history? LMAO....
>
>
> The only "chair" Vinnie has is the one he stole from the fast food
> outlet where he flips burgers.
>
> Eugene L Griessel
>
> Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy.

he he he...I love you peabrains...no, really, I do.
;-)

[Brad Guth]

On Apr 24, 10:54 am, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>

Our sun is totally insignificant, and it's not even slightly average
but somewhat larger than average, by at least double if not ten fold
more massive and thus unstable from what the vast majority of stars
with planets have going for themselves.

The bigger the original star, the less stable and with problematic
planets it'll likely have to deal with. Smaller stars than our sun
would be preferable for creating and sustaining complex other life.
Perhaps a 1e30 kg star would be just about right, although a 2e29 kg
star should also be perfectly good.

Sirius(B) likely had a good dozen or more Venus, Saturn and even a few
bigger than Jupiter like planets, all of which set free to wander as
rogue nomads. Some of the larger than Jupiter planets or brown dwarfs
could have had Earth sized moons.

[Forrest Piper]

Remembering what Christ said - "I am the doore by me if any man enter
in, he shall be saued, and shall goe in and out, and find pasture. The
theefe commeth not, but for to steale and to kill, and to destroy: I
am come that they might haue life, and that they might haue it more
abundantly." (John 10:9,10) We see how the banking establishment is
ruining the country. The Fractional Reserve System is bankrupting
those who refuse to swallow the pill of ignorance that eugenics and
mainstream media offers them. Too many cheats and liars at the top,
gives unlimited power to mafia-like clones, than it does to
revolutionary scientific entrepreneurs. The REAL church of Christ has
gone underground - the internet has provided the resistance with just
the right kind of information for the Christ revolution to make a
difference. The focus of the mission for the resistance, is the
ministry of Christ while he was on planet earth: "I am the good
shepheard: the good shepheard giueth his life for the sheepe."
Remembering the word "halal" puts us right back into the eyes of
Christ, and seeing what Christ has seen, we use the same staff to
guide us to the final destination:

.. |_O_|
J......|
......./ \

The staff is the tool of correction that points us to the place where
we need to go... the merkabah vehicle has the shape of a sideways
teardrop, and the relative motion of the teardrop to the gravitational
field as 'fluid', takes three reference points to judge relative
motion, and without knowing what the electromagnetic flux density is,
at any given point in the space time continuum, you only have two -
past and future. But that is not so much a path, as it is a condition
for establishing what 'cycle' one wishes to be in. This is the paradox
which requires an 'escape clause' to a new cycle of time.

The earth and all the planets circling the sun have a circular mass
resonance, exhibited by their rotation around the sun. These
resonances change, according to many celestial phenomenon - position
of the planets, sun cycles, and structural anomalies within the earth
itself, are the primary factors. From a more distant perspective,
these cycles repeat endlessly - tens of thousands of years can pass
without any major interruptions of mass resonance. If one could
actually gauge these phenomenon (which they can), one could control
things like teleportation, FTL propulsion, and FTL communication.

The key is finding and implementing what background one wishes to
insert oneself - and in particular the 'background' being referred to
is the galactic beat frequency cycle of years, which seems to resonate
with the earth's biofield in 40-year intervals. Thus in order to open
an interstellar window, one has to look at where the prophets, such as
Ezekiel had been, when having the vision of the 'wheel within a
wheel'. That kind of phenomenon points to the evidence of there being
a 'window of opportunity' for space travelers to pursue. More exactly,
finding out what the blood resonance (i.e. of any particular
individual would exist at the time of the visionary experience, as we
have with cosmic consciousness, utilizing the p-adic and p-adelic time
development by quantum jumps between the myelin sheaths), representing
the 'center of consciousness', from which directivity becomes
established in which to guide the vessel to its destination. Thus a
new cycle of time is a 'hop', rather than a 4D path.

In a sense the triangular hole in the center of the sun may be an
advanced consciousness directed at the galactic core, in which case
the doorway is being set in place for opening in the near future. This
may be suspected, as we were given a witness of what existed in the
core quite a ways back, when the Book of Enoch was still part of the
accepted books of the Old Testament, after the book of Deuteronomy.

[Dean]

> would be preferable for creating and ...
>
> read more »

Our sun is completely significant for some 6 billion people.

[Forrest Piper]

On Apr 24, 8:24 pm, Forrest Piper <880yardboulderd...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>

Genesis 1:14 says, "¶ And God said, Let there bee lights in the
firmament of the heauen, to diuide the day from the night: and let
them be for signes and for seasons, and for dayes and yeeres." The
idea for using 'signs' were not originally attributed for navigational
purposes or calendars. If "seasons, and for dayes and yeeres" was for
that purpose, then why has the zodiac been reduced to astrology and
fortune-telling? Rather, a sign is something arbitrary. It is a symbol
to represent an object or idea. Hence, the stars were created to be
symbolic of something else. The constellations have there reference in
the only literature that was available - either by word of mouth,
sundials, or the sacred text, to witness to fallen man who continually
ventured farther from God and the knowledge of God.

"[To the chiefe Musician, A Psalme of Dauid.] The heauens declare the
glory of God: and the firmament sheweth his handy worke. Day vnto day
vttereth speach, and night vnto night sheweth knowledge. There is no
speach nor language, where their voyce is not heard. Their line is
gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the
world: In them hath he set a tabernacle for the Sunne. Which is as a
bridegrome comming out of his chamber, and reioyceth as a strong man
to runne a race. His going forth is from the end of the heauen, and
his circuite vnto the ends of it: and there is nothing hidde from the
heat thereof." (Psalm 19:1-6, 1611 KJV)

"He telleth the number of the stars: he calleth them all by their
names." Psalm 147:4, 1611 KJV

The two witnesses that are about to appear, refer to the God's word in
the heavenly stars, and the other is the God-breathed written word.
The original constellations that followed the biblical heritage, were
forgotten for the most part over the centuries, and replaced by the
alien Gods of the Greeks, with Apollo (Apollyon, or destroyer), at the
helm:

http://www.bisque.com/tom/constellation/images/ophiucus.jpg

Star and constellation names are mentioned in the book of Job - the
oldest book in the bible. There is no doubt that Adam and the
generations after Adam (e.g. Enoch) had a large role in naming the
stars and constellations. This would have been accomplished according
to inspiration from before the flood, from the book of Enoch. The
theme became over the millenia, the redemptive story of Christ, and
victory of Christ and his people over the Enemy. Since Psalm 19:1 says
"The heauens declare the glory of God", and the book of John says that
Christ is the glory of God, i.e. "Father, I will that they also whom
thou hast giuen me, be with me where I am, that they may behold my
glory which thou hast giuen mee: for thou louedst mee before the
foundation of the world." - the heavens therefore tell of Christ - and
NOT the fallen angels - or Greek Gods!

http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/virgo_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/coma_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/centaurus_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/bootes_ss.jpg
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http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/corona_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/scorpio_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/ophiuchus_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/hercules_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/sagittarius_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/lyra_ss.jpg
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http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/perseus_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/gemini_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/lepus_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/canis_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/cancer_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/ursaminor_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/ursa_major_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/argo_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/leo_ss.jpg
http://www.eternalthroneofdavid.com/images/hydra_ss.jpg

The prophets had learned their wisdom from the Elohym (ee-low-heem),
who were an ancient race from another star system. The Elohym are not
the manipulating kind of weasels that we have with the Orion group,
who control the greys and manipulate the very elect. They also have
power over a vast army of Viminas and Vilixi craft (Zechariah 5:2-4,
5:5-11). These craft are also piloted by mind-controlled humans!!! As
such covert takeovers manifest globally, the pact between Luciferians
and the rebel alien alliance begins to take shape, in order that the
fallen can only offer their 'watcher' status, and thus only back-
engineer, imitate, and/or subvert, any or all private property, using
big pharma (aka Monsanto) and big AG (aka Labor Dept. - another arm of
corporate AG takeover of the small farm), against farm chores for
children - to eventually legislate the nanny state as "imitator
Christs", under the FALSE SIGN OF THE ZODIAC, without ever considering
the imminent return of YHWH's most holy merkabah. The false messiah
can thus begin to lead the pack of demon-possessed wolves, by forcing
over 900 facilities in the U.S. to have their ballots counted OUTSIDE
THE U.S. during the next election!!! Ron Paul must win by a landslide
to avoid voter fraud!!!

The sideways teardrop shape was never a modern design being shoved in
one's face, that was invented 'just recently' for merkabah vehicles.
It was inherited from the Elohym and has been around since the dawn of
civilization! It's also interesting to note that electron clouds are
shaped like teardrops, the teardrop cloud representing the path that
one or more electrons take. By simultaneously stretching and
compressing the electron/positron pairs to human proportion, and then
screening out the color magnetic field, space becomes stretched to
fantastic proportion, and the W and Z bosons become coupled, forming a
graviton. A symmetric wave function, utilizing a hyperfine energy
shift can be induced by beading projected plasma for the required
transition. The Planck core (10 ^ -28 cm.) opens to an X boson, and
thus brings the resonant photon energy along with it:

http://www.williamhenry.net/images/stargateCruci/sgc_06.jpg

[Brad Guth]

Actually it's 7 billion and counting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

However, without a sun a planet like Earth with its interior residual
cache of original heat, plus the ongoing fission and always that
horrific moon modulating our whole planet, is where an underground
habitat and its complex ecosystem with TBMs digging out and our
processing through perhaps 0.1% of it's mass, we'd be just fine and
dandy, and in many ways better off for the long run.

Your see, our thin atmosphere plus all that liquid water and don't
forget gravity has killed off countless millions of us, not to mention
those directly killed off or gotten damaged past the point of no
return by our sun, whereas this is not a problem once there is no sun
and we're surviving mostly underground or at least under any thick
layer of protective ice.

Another good thing about groups living deep underground, is that it
makes war kind of pathetic or pointless unless TBMs carving out
tunnels that can only excavate through 1~4 m/hr happen to cross path.
Even then, it would be relatively simple to stop an aggressor by
terminating their TBMs and/or gassing their tunnels.

Artificial sunlight is not a problem. Just ask anyone that's growing
pot in their basement.

[Forrest Piper]

Brad, you forget quickly who has the keys to Hell and Death - it is
Hell and Death that remains underground, while the children of light
are to remain with Christ, to ascend to the heaven after His return!

This is a good example why humans are continuing to learn these things
from the past - because mankind needs to be DIRECTED more by a
superior intelligence than becoming ENSLAVED by it!

Do you remember the Shepherd with the staff that I showed you?

.. |_O_|
J......|
......./ \

Do you realize that BIG AGRA is in the process of taking the
shepherd's staff away from the head of households for small farms?
Here is just another reason to believe that this planet requires
intervening jurisdiction from outside our solar system - before it
completely destroys what's left of itself! In the sense that humans
were created beings that resembled their Creator, humans have the
responsibility of learning from the question, "Who WAS our Creator?"

Enoch was regaded by early Christians, as being a part of scripture
(ref. Jude 14 & 15), but was deemed 'heretical' by the early church
fathers. One points to the profligation of the writings of both the
Old and New Testaments, and those who would censor the writings of
Enoch from ever making it into "mainstream religion", especially of
western thought. However, the book did make it into the canon of the
Ethiopian church of 1773, in the form of the Ethiopian Orthodox Old
Testament. Thus Enoch was one of the original books that was included
in the Apocrypha.

Note also that 1773 was immediately prior to the American Revolution.
The understanding of how the Merkabah operates was given over to those
who refused to proselytize their humanity (or flesh) over the system
of government that was supposed to be respectful of the higher
authority. What happened to England at that time, may be happening to
America at the present time. One observes the societal tendency to
make women objects in a mirror, rather than humble assistants in the
way that honors the Ten Commandments, creates a society in chaos, as
described in Isaiah:

"For behold, the Lord, the Lord of hostes doeth take away from
Ierusalem, and from Iudah, the stay and the staffe, the whole stay of
bread, and the whole stay of water, The mighty man, and the man of
warre; the Iudge and the Prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,
The captaine of fiftie, and the honourable man, and the counseller,
and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent oratour. And I will giue
children to bee their Princes, and babes shall rule ouer them. And the
people shall be oppressed, euery one by another, and euery one by his
neighbour: the childe shall behaue himselfe proudly against the
ancient, and the base against the honourable. When a man shall take
hold of his brother of the house of his father, saying, Thou hast
clothing, be thou our ruler, and let this ruine bee vnder thy hand: In
that day shall he sweare, saying, I will not be an healer: for in my
house is neither bread nor clothing: make me not a ruler of the
people. For Ierusalem is ruined, & Iudah is fallen: because their
tongue and their doings are against the Lord, to prouoke the eyes of
his glorie.

¶ The shew of their countenance doeth witnesse against them, and they
declare their sinne as Sodom, they hide it not: woe vnto their soule,
for they haue rewarded euill vnto themselues. Say yee to the
righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eate the
fruit of their doings. Woe vnto the wicked, it shall be ill with him:
for the reward of his handes shalbe giuen him. ¶ As for my people,
children are their oppressours, and women rule ouer them: O my people,
they which lead thee, cause thee to erre, and destroy the way of thy
paths. The Lord standeth vp to plead, and standeth to iudge the
people. The Lord will enter into iudgement with the ancients of his
people, and the Princes thereof: for ye haue eaten vp the Uineyard;
the spoile of the poore is in your houses. What meane yee that yee
beat my people to pieces, and grinde the faces of the poore, saith the
Lord God of hosts?

¶ Moreouer the Lord saith; Because the daughters of Zion are hautie,
and walke with stretched forth necks, and wanton eyes, walking and
mincing as they goe, and making a tinkeling with their feet: Therefore
the Lord will smite with a scab the crowne of the head of the
daughters of Zion, and the Lord will discouer their secret parts. In
that day the Lord will take away the brauery of their tinckling
ornaments about their feete, and their caules, and their round tyres
like the Moone. The chaines, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, The
bonnets, and the ornaments of the legges, and the headbands, and the
tablets, and the earerings, The rings, and nose-iewels, The changeable
sutes of apparell, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping
pinnes, The glasses, and the fine linnen, and the hoods, and the
vailes. And it shall come to passe, that in steade of sweete smell,
there shall bee stinke; and in stead of a girdle, a rent; and in stead
of well set haire, baldnesse; and in stead of a stomacher, a girding
of sackecloth; and burning, in stead of beautie.

Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mightie in the warre. And her
gates shall lament and mourne; and she being desolate, shall sit vpon
the ground." (Isaiah 3, 1611 KJV)

"Men who fall by the sword" is the same as legislating an illegal war
against Iran, that is both unnecessary and cruel to the inhabitants.
Those who will rush to war for the elect's sake, do the elect more of
a favor, than they do for themselves in the long term. Yet this is
what is being spun by the mainstream as being warranted, in order to
protect Zionist Israel and enlarge the coffers of the military
industrial complex. There is an army that DWARFS all of the militaries
of the WORLD - yet our own military industrial complex continues to
seek and to confiscate any technological means created by individual
entrepreneurs, that would render conventional war as obsolete, given a
good dose of free market economics outside of earth orbit, for
instance.

[HVAC]

On 4/25/2012 4:22 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
>
> Artificial sunlight is not a problem. Just ask anyone that's growing
> pot in their basement.

Is artificial sunlight a problem, Brad?

[Dean]

Where does the power for that artificial sunlight come from?

[ala]

"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a2f6aee9-bf2d-44e0...@k10g2000pbk.googlegroups.com...

>If this new world should already has a religion or faith-based policy,
>naturally that means war because only our bogus faith-based policy and
>its caste system has to be in charge of everything.

Canada can serve as the model

Article by Camille Kam
QUALIFIED DONEE STATUS FOR FOREIGN CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS

A foreign charitable organization may currently be registered as a qualified
donee where it can demonstrate that: (1) it was the recipient of a gift from
the Government of Canada; and (2) except for the residency requirement, it
would meet the Canadian common law definition of charitable and would
generally be eligible for registration in Canada. Qualified donee status
permits a foreign charitable organization to issue official donation
receipts for gifts received from a Canadian donor and enables a Canadian
registered charity to make first to the foreign charitable organization
without risking the Canadian charity's registered status.

Budget 2012 proposes to limit the circumstances in which a foreign
charitable organization can be registered as a qualified donee. The changes
will give the Minister of National Revenue discretion to register a foreign
charitable organization as a qualified done as long as it receives a gift
from the Government of Canada and: (1) pursues activities related to
disaster relief or urgent humanitarian aid; or (2) pursues activities that
are in the national interest of Canada.

Foreign charitable organizations currently registered as qualified donees
under the existing rules will be permitted to retain that status until their
registration period expires.

http://www.mondaq.com/canada/x/175320/Charities+Non-Profits/Budget+2012+And+Charities&email_access=on

[ala]

"Forrest Piper" <880yardbo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:696be913-ddb2-40c3...@h4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

> Most of the blind and obedient "successful" in society today, have
> either become much too used to helping themselves with the blood and
> sweat of others,

Smog of War, Please Meet the 'Afghan Syndrome'
By Tom Engelhardt, TomDispatch
>

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175527/tomgram%3A_engelhardt%2C_the_smog_of_war/
take off your hat. Taps is playing. Almost four decades late, the Vietnam
War and its post-war spawn, the Vietnam Syndrome, are finally heading for
their American grave. It may qualify as the longest attempted burial in
history. Last words - both eulogies and curses - have been offered too many
times to mention, and yet no American administration found the silver bullet
that would put that war away for keeps.

Richard Nixon tried to get rid of it while it was still going on by
'Vietnamizing' it. Seven years after it ended, Ronald Reagan tried to praise
it into the dustbin of history, hailing it as 'a noble cause.' Instead, it
morphed from a defeat in the imperium into a 'syndrome,' an unhealthy
aversion to war-making believed to afflict the American people to their
core.

A decade later, after the U.S. military smashed Saddam Hussein's army in
Kuwait in the First Gulf War, George H.W. Bush exulted that the country had
finally 'kicked the Vietnam Syndrome once and for all.' As it turned out,
despite the organization of massive 'victory parades' at home to prove that
this hadn't been Vietnam redux, that war kicked back. Another decade passed
and there were H.W.'s son W. and his advisors planning the invasion of Iraq
through a haze of Vietnam-constrained obsessions.

W.'s top officials and the Pentagon would actually organize the public
relations aspect of that invasion and the occupation that followed as a
Vietnam opposite's game - no 'body counts' to turn off the public, plenty of
embedded reporters so that journalists couldn't roam free and (as in
Vietnam) harm the war effort, and so on. The one thing they weren't going to
do was lose another war the way Vietnam had been lost. Yet they managed once
again to bog the U.S. military down in disaster on the Eurasian mainland,
could barely manage to win a heart or a mind, and even began issuing body
counts of the enemy dead.

'We don't do body counts,' General Tommy Franks, Afghan War commander, had
insisted in 2001, and as late as November 2006, the president was still
expressing his irritation about Iraq to a group of conservative news
columnists this way: 'We don't get to say that - a thousand of the enemy
killed or whatever the number was. It's happening. You just don't know it.'
The problem, he explained, was: 'We have made a conscious effort not to be a
body count team' (à la Vietnam). And then, of course, those body counts
began appearing.

Somehow, over the endless years, no matter what any American president
tried, The War - that war - and its doppelganger of a syndrome, a symbol of
defeat so deep and puzzling Americans could never bear to fully take it in,
refused to depart town. They were the ghosts on the battlements of American
life, representing - despite the application of firepower of a historic
nature - a defeat by a small Asian peasant land so unexpected that it simply
couldn't be shaken, nor its 'lessons' learned.

National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger was typical at the time in
dismissing North Vietnam in disgust as 'a little fourth rate power,' just as
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Thomas Moorer would term it 'a
third-rate country with a population of less than two counties in one of the
50 states of the United States.' All of which made its victory, in some
sense, beyond comprehension.

A Titleholder for Pure, Long-Term Futility

That was then. This is now and, though the frustration must seem familiar,
Washington has gotten itself into a situation on the Eurasian mainland so
vexing and perplexing that Vietnam has finally been left in the dust. In
fact, if you hadn't noticed - and weirdly enough no one has - that former
war finally seems to have all but vanished.

If you care to pick a moment when it first headed for the exits, when we all
should have registered something new in American consciousness, it would
undoubtedly have been mid-2010 when the media decided that the Afghan War,
then 8½ years old, had superseded Vietnam as 'the longest war' in U.S.
history. Today, that claim has become commonplace, even though it remains
historically dubious (which may be why it's significant).

Afghanistan is, in fact, only longer than Vietnam if you decide to date the
start of the American war there to 1964, when Congress passed the Tonkin
Gulf Resolution (in place of an actual declaration of war), or 1965, when
American 'combat troops' first arrived in South Vietnam. By then, however,
there were already 16,000 armed American 'advisors' there, Green Berets
fighting there, American helicopters flying there. It would be far more
reasonable to date America's war in Vietnam to 1961, the year of its first
official battlefield casualty and the moment when the Kennedy administration
sent in 3,000 military advisors to join the 900 already there from the
Eisenhower years. (The date of the first American death on the Vietnam Wall,
however, is 1956, and the first American military man to die in Vietnam - an
American lieutenant colonel mistaken by Vietnamese guerrillas for a French
officer - was killed in Saigon in 1945.)

Of course, massive U.S. support for the French version of the Vietnam War in
the early 1950s could drive that date back further. Similarly, if you wanted
to add in America's first Afghan War, the CIA-financed anti-Soviet war of
the mujahideen from 1980 to 1989, you might once again have a 'longest war'
competition.

The essential problem in dating wars these days is that we no longer declare
them, so they just tend to creep up on us. In addition, because undeclared
war has melded into something like permanent war on the American scene, we
might well be setting records every day on the Eurasian mainland - if, for
instance, you care to include the First Gulf War and the continued military
actions against Saddam Hussein's Iraq which, after 2001, blended into the
Bush administration's Global War on Terror, its invasion of Afghanistan, and
then, of course, Iraq (again).

For those who want a definitive 'longest,' however, the latest news is
promising. Obama administration negotiations with Afghan President Hamid
Karzai's government are reportedly close to complete. The two sides are
expected to arrive at a 'strategic partnership' agreement leaving U.S.
forces (trainers, advisors, special operations troops, and undoubtedly scads
of private contractors) ensconced on bases in Afghanistan well beyond 2014.
If such official desire becomes reality, then the Vietnam record might
indeed be at an end.

What's important, however, isn't which war holds the record, but that media
urge in 2010 to anoint Afghanistan the titleholder for pure long-term
futility. In retrospect, that represented a changing-of-the-guard moment.

Now, skip ahead almost two years and consider what's missing in action
today. After all, dealing with the Afghan War in Vietnam-analogy terms right
now would be like lining up ducks at a shooting gallery. Just take a run
through the essential Vietnam War checklist: there's 'quagmire' (check!);
dropping the idea of winning 'hearts and minds' (check!); the fact that
we've entered the 'Afghanization' phase of the war, with endless rosy
prognostications about, followed by grim reports on, the training of the
Afghan army to replace U.S. combat troops (check!).

There are those sagging public opinion polls about the war, dropping
steadily into late-Vietnam territory (check!); the continued insistence of
American military officials that 'progress' is being made in the face of
disaster and disintegration (not quite 'light at the end of the tunnel'
territory, but nonetheless a check! for sure).

There are those bomb-able, or in our era drone-able, 'sanctuaries' across
the border (check!); American massacre stories, most recently a one-man
version of My Lai (check!); a prickly leader who irritates his American
counterparts and is seen as an obstacle to success (check!), and so on - and
on and on.

While the Afghan War has always had its many non-Vietnam aspects -
geographical, historical, geopolitical, and in terms of casualties - anyone
could have had a Vietnam field day with the present situation. At almost any
previous moment in the last decades, many undoubtedly would have, and yet
what's striking is that this time around no one has. Unlike any
administration since the Nixon years, nobody in Obama's crowd now seems to
have Vietnam obsessively on the brain.

What was taken as the last significant reference to the war from a major
official came from Bush holdover Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. In
February 2011, four months before he left the Pentagon, Gates gave a
'farewell' address at West Point in which he told the cadets, '[I]n my
opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again
send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa
should 'have his head examined,' as General MacArthur so delicately put it.'
This, press reports incorrectly claimed, was that general's Vietnam advice
for President Kennedy in 1961. (The statement Gates quoted, however, was
made in 1950 after the North Koreans invaded South Korea.)

A Vietnam Analogy Memorial

Since then, Washington generally seems to have dropped Vietnam through the
memory hole. Well-connected pundits seldom mention its example any more.
Critics have generally stopped using it to anathematize the ongoing war in
Afghanistan. In a wasteland of growing disasters, that war now seems to have
gained full recognition as a quagmire in its own right. No help needed.

[Forrest Piper]

On May 6, 10:05 am, "ala" <alackr...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> What was taken as the last significant reference to the war from a major
> official came from Bush holdover Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. In
> February 2011, four months before he left the Pentagon, Gates gave a
> 'farewell' address at West Point in which he told the cadets, '[I]n my
> opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again
> send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa
> should 'have his head examined,' as General MacArthur so delicately put it.'
> This, press reports incorrectly claimed, was that general's Vietnam advice
> for President Kennedy in 1961. (The statement Gates quoted, however, was
> made in 1950 after the North Koreans invaded South Korea.)
>
> A Vietnam Analogy Memorial
>
> Since then, Washington generally seems to have dropped Vietnam through the
> memory hole. Well-connected pundits seldom mention its example any more.
> Critics have generally stopped using it to anathematize the ongoing war in
> Afghanistan. In a wasteland of growing disasters, that war now seems to have
> gained full recognition as a quagmire in its own right. No help needed.

Vietnam was only a very small piece of the plan of wealthy and corrupt
financiers to take over the world, via a New World Order. We know that
there are familiar parallels between Madame Chiang Kai Shek and
Hillary Clinton - yet it was the progression of the last vestiges of
the sort of 'romantic dynasty' that pre-Communist China had been - to
what China was becoming - a modern, tractionless and FLAILING nation
of human beings attempting to exercise their rights as sovereign
citizens, and countless human rights abusers - and that in its current
state of being a powerful military industrial complex - requires much
fixing as well.

How could anyone actually FIX China? Go ask one of the thousands of
entrepreneurs and/or engineers in the supposedly 'more free' west, HOW
their funding and/or job creation is coming along, and see how ever
since the bureaucracy has sunk its tenacles so deeply into the private
operations of just about every bit of minutia that some technology had
to offer - either through over-specification, environmental standard,
or TORT law, usually always resulted in a conflict-of-interest with
another industry intent on maintaining their monopoly (over all
aspects of every single, related enterprise - that once uncovered by
enviro-moles, corporate spies, etc.), might have become inherently
discoverable to have been related to what some potential 'spin-off'
industry or technology (without their already corrupted knowledge)
could have possiblty morphed into, or that whatever amounted to
'bootstrapping' in the past, that led to endless devouring of
industries, through either an increased tax burden, or complete lack
of support for anyone in the market, who was willing to pay its
employees a more respectable engineering salary.

IMO, the Vietnam being alluded to by the anti-war pundits of the
Afghan conflict, is only a micro-schizm designed to divert attention
away from the much larger campaign of disinformation going on
nationwide:

from http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ :

"Nixon, like John F. Kennedy before him, alarmed the military/security
complex with his plans to withdraw US troops from Vietnam
(Vietnamization) and his determination to open communication with
communist China and improve relations."

The attempted shift away by Nixon, from the growing threat of a more
world-based military/industrial complex, alarmed the U.S. military/
security to such a great degree, that WATERGATE was designed to frame
Nixon as a criminal - which now pales so much in comparison with what
we are seeing today, with the kind of subterfuge that the NWO carries
on with our own military, and with political pawns as their yes-men,
that any attempt to bring the real truth into the lime light, will
usually result in a media coverup, smear, and subterfuge of the facts,
as well as various other false flag and sundry forms of bipolar
aggression.