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Andrew Swallow
Jun 20, 2012, 6:02:38 AM6/20/12
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Assange, the Wikileaks founder, is apply to Ecuador for asylum.
I assume that Assange chose the Ecuadorian Embassy because his leaking
of a diplomatic cable about that country actually caused the USA harm -
expulsion of the Ambassador.
I wonder how long it will take the Ecuadorian Givernment to work out
that Assange is an enemy not a friend?
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18519380>
[quote]
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange faces arrest, police say
20 June 2012
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, who is seeking asylum at Ecuador's
London embassy, has breached bail and faces arrest, police have said.
Mr Assange, whose conditions included staying at his bail address
between 2200 and 0800 BST, spent Tuesday night at the embassy.
Last week he failed to reopen an appeal against his extradition to Sweden.
Mr Assange, wanted for questioning over rape and sexual assault
allegations, denies any wrongdoing.
Ecuador had said it was "studying and analysing" Mr Assange's request
for asylum.
{snip}
[/quote]
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12979967>
[quote]
Ecuador expels US ambassador over Wikileaks cable
5 April 2011
Ecuador has announced it is expelling the US ambassador in Quito.
The move follows the release on Monday by the whistle-blowing website
Wikileaks of a US diplomatic cable alleging widespread corruption within
the Ecuadorean police force.
Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino said he had asked Ambassador Heather
Hodges to leave the country as soon as possible.
The US state department called the decision "unjustified" and said it
deeply regretted it.
{snip}
[/quote]
Andrew Swallow
I assume that Assange chose the Ecuadorian Embassy because his leaking
of a diplomatic cable about that country actually caused the USA harm -
expulsion of the Ambassador.
I wonder how long it will take the Ecuadorian Givernment to work out
that Assange is an enemy not a friend?
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18519380>
[quote]
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange faces arrest, police say
20 June 2012
Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, who is seeking asylum at Ecuador's
London embassy, has breached bail and faces arrest, police have said.
Mr Assange, whose conditions included staying at his bail address
between 2200 and 0800 BST, spent Tuesday night at the embassy.
Last week he failed to reopen an appeal against his extradition to Sweden.
Mr Assange, wanted for questioning over rape and sexual assault
allegations, denies any wrongdoing.
Ecuador had said it was "studying and analysing" Mr Assange's request
for asylum.
{snip}
[/quote]
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12979967>
[quote]
Ecuador expels US ambassador over Wikileaks cable
5 April 2011
Ecuador has announced it is expelling the US ambassador in Quito.
The move follows the release on Monday by the whistle-blowing website
Wikileaks of a US diplomatic cable alleging widespread corruption within
the Ecuadorean police force.
Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino said he had asked Ambassador Heather
Hodges to leave the country as soon as possible.
The US state department called the decision "unjustified" and said it
deeply regretted it.
{snip}
[/quote]
Andrew Swallow
Jim Wilkins
Jun 20, 2012, 7:21:17 AM6/20/12
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jsw
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> Assange, the Wikileaks founder, is apply to Ecuador for asylum.
>
> I assume that Assange chose the Ecuadorian Embassy because his
> leaking of a diplomatic cable about that country actually caused the
> USA harm - expulsion of the Ambassador.
>
> I wonder how long it will take the Ecuadorian Givernment to work out
> that Assange is an enemy not a friend?
That depends on when his Mordida money runs out.
>
> I assume that Assange chose the Ecuadorian Embassy because his
> leaking of a diplomatic cable about that country actually caused the
> USA harm - expulsion of the Ambassador.
>
> I wonder how long it will take the Ecuadorian Givernment to work out
> that Assange is an enemy not a friend?
jsw
SolomonW
Jun 21, 2012, 7:40:57 AM6/21/12
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they feel.
dott.Piergiorgio
Jun 21, 2012, 10:00:56 AM6/21/12
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Il 20/06/2012 12:02, Andrew Swallow ha scritto:
> Assange, the Wikileaks founder, is apply to Ecuador for asylum.
>
> I assume that Assange chose the Ecuadorian Embassy because his leaking
> of a diplomatic cable about that country actually caused the USA harm -
> expulsion of the Ambassador.
>
> I wonder how long it will take the Ecuadorian Givernment to work out
> that Assange is an enemy not a friend?
mhm....
> Assange, the Wikileaks founder, is apply to Ecuador for asylum.
>
> I assume that Assange chose the Ecuadorian Embassy because his leaking
> of a diplomatic cable about that country actually caused the USA harm -
> expulsion of the Ambassador.
>
> I wonder how long it will take the Ecuadorian Givernment to work out
> that Assange is an enemy not a friend?
Ecuador isn't exactly a safe place in general, and is one of the
countries most under the monroe doctrine, so looks like a very bad idea
with rather unpleasant consequences for the global communications....
Because of the so-called "plausible denial" US doctrine (a double-edged
weapon...), even the most stupid demise of Assange will surely ignite a
*REALLY HUGE* anonymous reprisal...
Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.
John Szalay
Jun 21, 2012, 11:28:34 AM6/21/12
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"dott.Piergiorgio" <chied...@ask.me> wrote in news:sOFEr.183796$
and yet wants to be protected by the force
of laws..
> Ecuador isn't exactly a safe place in general, and is one of the
> countries most under the monroe doctrine, so looks like a very bad idea
> with rather unpleasant consequences for the global communications....
>
> Because of the so-called "plausible denial" US doctrine (a double-edged
> weapon...), even the most stupid demise of Assange will surely ignite a
> *REALLY HUGE* anonymous reprisal...
>
> Best regards from Italy,
> dott. Piergiorgio.
>
Interesting how he defies laws
> countries most under the monroe doctrine, so looks like a very bad idea
> with rather unpleasant consequences for the global communications....
>
> Because of the so-called "plausible denial" US doctrine (a double-edged
> weapon...), even the most stupid demise of Assange will surely ignite a
> *REALLY HUGE* anonymous reprisal...
>
> Best regards from Italy,
> dott. Piergiorgio.
>
and yet wants to be protected by the force
of laws..
Jim Wilkins
Jun 21, 2012, 12:36:54 PM6/21/12
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"John Szalay" <john.szalayATatt.net> wrote in message
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motives are correct.
george152
Jun 21, 2012, 4:07:33 PM6/21/12
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After all the damage he did to the west he'll want the west to go in and
get him when the crap hits the fan...
Kerryn Offord
Jun 21, 2012, 5:12:07 PM6/21/12
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Andrew Swallow
Jun 21, 2012, 5:30:23 PM6/21/12
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His getting on a US plane will therefore be voluntary.
Now for the protocol of putting on the handcuffs - when is he
technically on US soil?
When he enters a US plane?
When the plane takes off?
When the plane crosses an international border?
When the plane lands in the USA?
Andrew Swallow
Andrew Swallow
Jun 21, 2012, 5:54:32 PM6/21/12
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Andrew Swallow
george152
Jun 21, 2012, 5:59:48 PM6/21/12
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george152
Jun 21, 2012, 6:06:37 PM6/21/12
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A child born on an international carrier has the dual citizenship of
parents and whatever nation the carrier is registered in.
David E. Powell
Jun 21, 2012, 6:15:50 PM6/21/12
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I would have thought he'd try the Venezuelans or Bolivians.
Kerryn Offord
Jun 21, 2012, 6:59:25 PM6/21/12
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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Jun 21, 2012, 8:37:42 PM6/21/12
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Andrew Swallow wrote:
> Assange, the Wikileaks founder, is apply to Ecuador for asylum.
>
> I assume that Assange chose the Ecuadorian Embassy because his leaking
> of a diplomatic cable about that country actually caused the USA harm -
> expulsion of the Ambassador.
Son, if the Ambassador had done the right thing then he has nothing
> Assange, the Wikileaks founder, is apply to Ecuador for asylum.
>
> I assume that Assange chose the Ecuadorian Embassy because his leaking
> of a diplomatic cable about that country actually caused the USA harm -
> expulsion of the Ambassador.
to fear from Ecuador.
Whistleblowing about U.S. wrongdoing is not a crime...and is exactly
the "harm" the U.S. needs.
just do the right thing...*always*
(and everyone, even you swallow, knows the rape charges are trumped up)
;-)
dott.Piergiorgio
Jun 22, 2012, 5:39:41 AM6/22/12
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Il 21/06/2012 23:54, Andrew Swallow ha scritto:
> He showed that Americans cannot keep secrets.
and I suspect that not few countries have haved the pleasure of saying
> He showed that Americans cannot keep secrets.
to the US ambassador "we can talk about this and that, but we require
that the communications and report on these talks will be sent and
received ONLY thru diplomatic pouch.." (or some diplomatic wording in
that sense...) ;)
dott.Piergiorgio
Jun 22, 2012, 5:46:12 AM6/22/12
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was rather big, but will pale when the massive online protest for this
specific case will be engaged, the consequences for the worldwide
communication & computing will be rather hard....
I'm 100% positive that an Anonymous's retaliation is inevitable and
really damaging.....
Jim Wilkins
Jun 22, 2012, 12:54:06 PM6/22/12
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"dott.Piergiorgio" <chied...@ask.me> wrote in message
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Do you understand that the cable was not intercepted in transit and
decrypted? It was in a database.
This is the cable:
http://www.insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/747-ecuador-cable-incriminates-high-ranking-police-government-officials
They denied that corruption existed and threw an indignant hissy fit
about how we had learned about it.
news:x3XEr.184099$GZ3....@tornado.fastwebnet.it...
decrypted? It was in a database.
This is the cable:
http://www.insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/747-ecuador-cable-incriminates-high-ranking-police-government-officials
They denied that corruption existed and threw an indignant hissy fit
about how we had learned about it.
Andrew Swallow
Jun 22, 2012, 1:58:12 PM6/22/12
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On 22/06/2012 17:54, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> Do you understand that the cable was not intercepted in transit and
> decrypted? It was in a database.
>
> This is the cable:
> http://www.insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/747-ecuador-cable-incriminates-high-ranking-police-government-officials
>
> They denied that corruption existed and threw an indignant hissy fit
> about how we had learned about it.
>
>
>
It sounds like the FBI needs to investigate high ranking people in
>
> Do you understand that the cable was not intercepted in transit and
> decrypted? It was in a database.
>
> This is the cable:
> http://www.insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/747-ecuador-cable-incriminates-high-ranking-police-government-officials
>
> They denied that corruption existed and threw an indignant hissy fit
> about how we had learned about it.
>
>
>
Ecuador to see if they have committed any crimes against the USA.
Accessory to people trafficking for instance.
Note: The FBI will not be able to get Ecuadorian court orders.
Even if an individual's corruption is restricted to his own country he
could be bad for public morals if he moves to the USA, so entry visas
should be refused. Following a coup d'etat many members of Ecuador's
government, civil service and police may wish to flee. Having the bans
ready will help immigration reduce crime.
With this level of police corruption organisations like the DEA may need
to review how much information they tell Ecuadorians.
Andrew Swallow
dott.Piergiorgio
Jun 23, 2012, 7:10:01 AM6/23/12
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Il 22/06/2012 18:54, Jim Wilkins ha scritto:
> Do you understand that the cable was not intercepted in transit and
> decrypted? It was in a database.
>
> This is the cable:
> http://www.insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/747-ecuador-cable-incriminates-high-ranking-police-government-officials
>
> They denied that corruption existed and threw an indignant hissy fit
> about how we had learned about it.
Do you have an explanation on the presence in the database of 1960s amd
> Do you understand that the cable was not intercepted in transit and
> decrypted? It was in a database.
>
> This is the cable:
> http://www.insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/747-ecuador-cable-incriminates-high-ranking-police-government-officials
>
> They denied that corruption existed and threw an indignant hissy fit
> about how we had learned about it.
1970s cables, more or less linked to issues of the timeframe of the
majority of the leaks ? for example, one of 1960s being about
Falkland-related issues ? I can explain those small bunch of old cables
only with the hypothesis that, for example, when the recent reignition
of the falkland issue started, someone, perhaps a young diplomat, at US
Embassy in Baires has done a research on the issue thru SIPRNet, in a
manner not dissimilar of when we debate here on WWII history and
research the relevant primary sources on CARL archives & like.... hence
my hunch of being intercepted...
I'm definitively not a conspiro fool, but I remain unconvinced of the
reconstruction of the facts and events leading to and around the
wikileak....
Jim Wilkins
Jun 23, 2012, 9:53:13 AM6/23/12
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Nope, I stayed as far from the Intel community as possible, didn't
even have a classified safe to inventory. Whatever I post is from open
sources, otherwise I couldn't discuss it. Why do you think we focus so
much on WW2 rather than events we -may- have participated in?
jsw
> Il 22/06/2012 18:54, Jim Wilkins ha scritto:
>
> Do you have an explanation ...
>
Nope, I stayed as far from the Intel community as possible, didn't
even have a classified safe to inventory. Whatever I post is from open
sources, otherwise I couldn't discuss it. Why do you think we focus so
much on WW2 rather than events we -may- have participated in?
jsw
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