Re: U.S. Armed Forces Are Said To Be "Slightly At A Loss With The British"
D. Spencer Hines
The Brits took the cowardly way out...
The penny is dropping now even for The New York Times.
Gordon Brown is paying FAR too much attention to the Brit Cut & Runners such
as Pogue Surreyman, our resident British Wimp-Wuss.
No Stalwart He...
Fortunately, George Bush has paid NO attention at all to Pogue Surreyman's
opposite number in the United States -- Pogue Gans, who is cut from the same
cloth.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
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Britain Debates Army's Delay at Basra
By JOHN F. BURNS (a top British reporter for the NY Times with about 5 yrs
reporting in Iraq)
Published: August 6, 2008
LONDON - More than four months after American troops were moved hundreds of
miles across Iraq to help save a faltering Iraqi Army offensive against
Shiite militias in the southern oil city of Basra, a political controversy
has erupted here over Britain's failure to promptly deploy its own troops,
stationed only a few miles from the fighting.
British newspapers have made much of the dismay that the delayed British
entry into the Basra fighting caused among American commanders, who
committed nearly 1,000 soldiers to the fighting. Many of the Americans were
moved from bases in central Iraq, the first time United States troops had
been committed to combat in the southernmost area of the country since
British troops took control of the area after the 2003 invasion, leaving
central and northern Iraq to the much larger American force.
The charges come as Prime Minister Gordon Brown faces a widening challenge
to his leadership within the governing Labor Party, less than 14 months
after he succeeded Tony Blair.
Eager to distance himself from a war that hastened Mr. Blair's downfall, Mr.
Brown pledged last fall to halve British troops in Iraq this year. He pulled
the British garrison out of the heart of Basra in September, and began a
drawdown that left the bulk of the remaining force of about 4,100 troops at
a base at the Basra airport, about 10 miles from the city center. But the
fighting in the city in March caused him to scrap plans to reduce the
British force to 2,500 this year, and the latest government plan, outlined
last month, is to aim for substantial cutbacks in 2009.
British military experts say Mr. Brown's shifting signals have left the
British force in Iraq in a no man's land, still committed in significant
numbers but having limited effect because of a determination to limit
British casualties. This ambivalence, these experts say, contributed to the
confusion in which British troops delayed for six days joining the battle
over Basra in March.
The result, as one British military expert with extended experience in Iraq
put it, was that British forces stood by for several days while American
troops helped Iraqi units regain control of a city that Britain, responsible
for the city for nearly five years, had effectively abandoned only six
months before.
Some of the debate in Britain has centered on a secret deal that Britain's
commanders have acknowledged reaching with the Shiite militia known as the
Mahdi Army to assure a casualty-free pullout from the Basra Palace base
beside the Shatt al Arab waterway in the heart of the city last September.
The deal, these officers have said, involved releasing from British custody
Ahmed al-Fartusi, a senior Mahdi Army commander, and 120 other militia
members, in return for a promise that the retreating British troops would
not be attacked.
The overnight pullout went off without bloodshed, though at least some
British officers have described it as shameful. One newspaper, The
Independent on Sunday, published a weekend interview in which Col. Richard
Iron, who leads British teams mentoring Iraqi Army units in Basra, described
the deal as "understandable but inexcusable," because it strengthened the
Mahdi Army's ability to take control of much of Basra as the British
withdrew, and, the colonel said, compounded the "terrible mistakes" British
forces made in tolerating Shiite militias throughout their years in southern
Iraq.
The Times of London, in a front-page article on Monday by the paper's
defense editor, Michael Evans, said the September deal had prevented British
commanders from sending troops back into the city during the Iraqi-led
offensive in March. The paper said an armored brigade and special forces
units based at the airport "watched from the sidelines for six days" until
Britain's defense secretary, Desmond Browne, gave approval to join the
fighting. The first American troops were committed to the battle within 48
hours.
The Defense Ministry in London reacted vigorously to the article, saying in
a statement that while British forces had "always been prepared to talk to
anyone who wishes to renounce violence," there had been "no 'deals' with
militias that kept us out of the city." British military experts said the
statement appeared to have been crafted in a way that acknowledged, by
inference, that a pact had covered the pullout in September, but denied that
the terms of the agreement limited British military action in March.
When they joined the fighting, the ministry said, British forces "provided
the assistance that Iraqi authorities sought from us, including armor,
artillery, airpower, medical and logistic support." But only a month after
the Basra fighting ended, an open letter to British troops in Iraq from the
country's overall army commander, Gen. Sir Richard Dannatt, acknowledged, at
least implicitly, the frustration that the delay in entering the battle had
caused among British troops. "I cannot deny that there are many who said
that they would rather be at the forefront of the operations," he said.
American commanders have withheld public criticism of the British actions,
and have said, when speaking not for publication, that they sympathize with
the political problems Mr. Brown faces, because opinion polls indicate
strong British opposition to the war within both his own party and the
British electorate.
But the March events have sown ill feeling that has been rare between the
militaries. One British expert on Iraq who has advised Gen. David H.
Petraeus, the top American commander in Iraq, described the chill he
encountered among American officers and civilian officials in Baghdad after
the Basra offensive. He asked that his name be withheld in exchange for
candor in discussing a sensitive topic.
"Having a British passport was a bonus" for advisers visiting Saddam
Hussein's old Republican Palace, the American command center in Baghdad, at
earlier stages of the war, he said. "But when I went back in March, it was a
distinct disadvantage. There was a strong air of disillusionment."
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Entirely Justified...
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
Deus Vult
J A
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:oAOnk.710$AB3....@eagle.america.net...
> As I have been saying for months...
>
> The Brits took the cowardly way out...
>
> The penny is dropping now even for The New York Times.
>
> Gordon Brown is paying FAR too much attention to the Brit Cut & Runners
> such as Pogue Surreyman, our resident British Wimp-Wuss.
>
> No Stalwart He...
>
> Fortunately, George Bush has paid NO attention at all to Pogue Surreyman's
> opposite number in the United States -- Pogue Gans, who is cut from the
> same cloth.
> --
> DSH
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> Vires et Honor
> Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Britain Debates Army's Delay at Basra
>
> By JOHN F. BURNS (a top British reporter for the NY Times with about 5 yrs
> reporting in Iraq)
Hilarious- Commander Dave hijacked my post including my description of John
Burns...
D. Spencer Hines
The Brits Bugged Out In Basra...
It has the makings of a Great Story...
And the details are just now beginning to emerge from the smoke screen.
D. Spencer Hines
The Brits Bugged Out Of Basra...
It has the makings of a Great Story...
And the details are just beginning to emerge from the smoke screen --
details now from a BRITISH NEWSPAPER -- the most famous one.
So, this is NOT YANKS beating on BRITS.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article4461023.ece>
From The Times
August 5, 2008
Secret deal kept British Army out of battle for Basra
Four thousand British troops, including elements of the SAS, are based
outside Basra
Deborah Haynes in Baquba and Michael Evans, Defence Editor
A secret deal between Britain and the notorious al-Mahdi militia prevented
British Forces from coming to the aid of their US and Iraqi allies for
nearly a week during the battle for Basra this year, The Times has learnt.
Appalling! -- DSH
Four thousand British troops – including elements of the SAS and an entire
mechanised brigade – watched from the sidelines for six days because of an
“accommodation” with the Iranian-backed group, according to American and
Iraqi officers who took part in the assault.
Bad Show... -- DSH
US Marines and soldiers had to be rushed in to fill the void, fighting
bitter street battles and facing mortar fire, rockets and roadside bombs
with their Iraqi counterparts.
Hundreds of militiamen were killed or arrested in the fighting. About 60
Iraqis were killed or injured. One US Marine died and seven were wounded.
That U.S. Marine might well be alive today -- had the British held up their
end of the fight. -- DSH
US advisers who accompanied the Iraqi forces into the fight were shocked to
learn of the accommodation made last summer by British Intelligence and
elements of al-Mahdi Army, the militia loyal to Moqtada al-Sadr, the radical
Shia Muslim cleric.
The deal, which aimed to encourage the Shia movement back into the political
process and marginalise extremist factions, has dealt a huge blow to Britain’s
reputation in Iraq.
Not Surprising. -- DSH
Under its terms, no British soldier could enter Basra without the permission
of Des Browne, the Defence Secretary. By the time he gave his approval, most
of the fighting was over and the damage to Britain’s reputation had already
been done.
Spot On! -- DSH
Senior British defence sources told The Times that Nouri al-Maliki, the
Iraqi Prime Minister, who ordered the assault, and high-ranking US military
officers had become disillusioned with the British as a result of their
failure to act. Another confirmed that the deal, negotiated by British
Intelligence, had been a costly mistake.
YES. -- DSH
The Ministry of Defence has never confirmed that there was a deal with
al-Mahdi Army, but one official denied that the delay in sending in troops
was because of the arrangement agreed with the Shia militia.
A spokesman for the MoD said that the reason why troops were not sent
immediately into Basra was because there was “no structure in place” in the
city for units to go back in to start mentoring the Iraqi troops.
"NO STRUCTURE IN PLACE" -- meaning that it was FAR too DANGEROUS for the
Brits to go in until AFTER the Iraqis and Americans had PUT the "STRUCTURE
IN PLACE" and incurred the CASUALTIES the Brits were unwilling to SUSTAIN.
In other words, the Brits [their GOVERNMENT, not the TROOPS themselves,
necessarily] had no STOMACH for the FIGHT. -- DSH
Colonel Imad, who heads the 2nd Battalion, 1st Brigade, 1st Iraqi Army
Division, the most experienced division, commanded one of the quick-reaction
battalions summoned to assist British-trained local forces, who faltered
from the outset because of inexperience and lack of support.
He said: “Without the support of the Americans we would not have
accomplished the mission because the British Forces had done nothing there.
“I do not trust the British Forces. They did not want to lose any soldiers
for the mission.”
THERE YOU HAVE IT IN SPADES. -- DSH
“I do not trust the British Forces. They did not want to lose any soldiers
for the mission.”
Lieutenant-Colonel Chuck Western, a senior US Marine advising the Iraqi
Army, told The Times: “I was not happy. Everybody just assumed that because
this deal was cut nobody was going in. Cutting a deal with the bad guys is
generally not a good idea.”
He emphasised, however, that he was not being critical of the British
military, which he described as first-rate.
Captain Eric Whyne, another US Marine officer who took part in the battle,
said that he was astounded that “a coalition force would make a pact with
essentially their enemy and promise not to go into their area so as not to
get attacked”. He alleged that “some horrific atrocities” were committed by
the militia in Basra during the British watch.
A senior British defence source agreed that the battle for Basra had been
damaging to Britain’s reputation in Iraq. “Maliki, and the Americans, felt
the British were morally impugned by the deal they had reached with the
militia. The British were accused of trying to find the line of least
resistance in dealing with the Shia militia,” said the source.
“You can accuse the Americans of many things, such as hamfistedness, but you
can’t accuse them of not addressing a situation when it arises. While we had
a strategy of evasion, the Americans just went in and addressed the
problem.”
"WE HAD A STRATEGY OF EVASION" -- Bingo! PERFIDIOUS ALBION REDUX. -- DSH
Another British official said that the deal was intended as an IRA-style
reconciliation. “That is what we were trying to do but it did not work.” The
official added that “accommodation” had become a dirty word.
Like APPEASEMENT -- another word the Brits are well-acquainted with. -- DSH
US officials knew of the discussions, which continued until March this year.
They facilitated the peaceful exit of British troops from a palace compound
in Basra last September in return for the release of a number of prisoners.
The arrangement fell apart on March 25 when Mr al-Maliki ordered his
surprise assault on Basra, catching both the Americans and British
off-guard.
The Americans responded by flying in reinforcements, providing air cover and
offering the logistical and other support needed for the Iraqis to win.
The British were partly handicapped because their commander, Major-General
Barney White-Spunner, was away on a skiing holiday when the attack began.
Jolly Good Show, Tip-Tip and all that. -- DSH
When Brigadier Julian Free, his deputy, arrived to discuss the situation
with Mr al-Maliki at the presidential palace in Basra, he was made to wait
outside.
SERVES HIM RIGHT. -- DSH
The first British troops only entered the city on March 31.
The MoD spokesman said that the operation was launched at such short notice
that the only support that could be given in the first few days was air
power – in the form of Tornado ground attack aircraft – and logistics.
He said that after British troops were withdrawn from Basra last year it was
realised that the Iraqi forces still needed help, which was why the current
British force contained more instructors and trainers.
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D. Spencer Hines
murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
"J A" <a...@re.com> wrote in message
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> You refer to someone named "Anastasia" as a reason for being afraid of
> giving some info support to your being a vet, but when asked who
> "anastasia"
> is, you reply: "Some nice progressives took her to the country. Never
> came
> home."
>
> I mean, WTF is that supposed to mean???
J A
> Obtuse reference to Anastasia Romanov, daughter of Tsar Nicholas II, who
> was murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918.
Damn!!!!
I think you're right, and it was damned OBTUSE, but by GOD our friend
MOISHE got it, didn't he???
What a fucking coincidence that "tanky" makes an weird out of place
refercence - but by jumpin jesus, our friend Moishe has no problem picking
up on it.
Damn, Commander Dave,,,,, you ani't so slow afterall
J A
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:u20qk.838$AB3....@eagle.america.net...
> Obtuse reference to Anastasia Romanov, daughter of Tsar Nicholas II, who
> was murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918.
You broke the case, Dave...
Here, this is for you and Moishe Tankfixer, I'm in blackface and crooning
,,,,
Al Jolson - My Mammy Lyrics
Album: Al Jolson 2
Everything is lovely
When you start to roam;
The birds are singin', the day that you stray,
But later, when you are further away,
Things won't seem so lovely
When you're all alone;
Here's what you'll keep saying
When you're far from home:
Mammy,
Mammy,
The sun shines east, the sun shines west,
I know where the sun shines best--
Mammy,
My little mammy,
My heartstrings are tangled around Alabammy.
I'm comin',
Sorry that I made you wait.
I'm comin',
Hope and trust that I'm not late, oh oh oh
Mammy,
My little Mammy,
I'd walk a million miles
For one of your smiles,
My Mammy! Oh oh oh...
(SPOKEN) Mammy...
My little Mammy.
The sun shines east-- the sun shines west--
I know where-- the sun shines best!
It's on my Mammy I'm talkin' about, nobody else's!
(SUNG) My little Mammy,
My heartstrings are tangled around Alabammy.
(SPOKEN) Mammy-- Mammy, I'm comin'--
I'm so sorry that I made you wait!
Mammy-- Mammy, I'm comin'!
Oh God, I hope I'm not late!
Look at me, Mammy! Don't you know me?
I'm your little baby!
(SUNG) I'd walk a million miles
For one of your smiles,
My Mammy!
D. Spencer Hines
> Why are we still there
>
> Leader The Guardian, Saturday March 29 2008
>
> Britain has 4,000 troops on the edge of a battle, but no plans to get
> involved. Last night the Ministry of Defence made it clear that this
> country, unlike the US, is not about to join the offensive launched by the
> Iraqi prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, against Shia militants in Basra. A
> defence source said the operation against the Mahdi army had been planned,
> implemented and executed by the Iraqis. He said it was their operation and
> their responsibility to bring security to Basra and Iraq as a whole. Yet
> if
> Britain is distancing itself from a battle raging in a sector for which it
> had responsibility until September last year, then what are British troops
> still doing in Iraq?
Sitting on their arses at the Basra Airport.
> This is not an easy question to answer. Senior British commanders have
> made
> little secret of their desire to leave, privately acknowledging that the
> British troops acted as a magnet for disorder, not its repellant.
Read "We'd prefer to Cut & Run."
> Gordon
> Brown said last year that he wanted to reduce troop numbers to 2,500 (the
> minimum required for self-protection) by late spring. But neither an early
> departure nor a further reduction in troop levels is politically viable.
> It
> would look like a retreat under fire, similar to Aden in 1967.
"LOOK LIKE'? Hell that's what it would BE.
> That leaves
> senior British defence planners with one option - to cross their fingers.
> If
> the Iraqi army can finish the battle it started, British troops will look
> less like blue-helmet observers, hoping earnestly never to fire their
> guns.
Hilarious!
> The signs yesterday, on the fourth day of the battle, were not
> encouraging.
> As fighting spread to Baghdad, Nassiriya, Hilla, Amara, Kerbala and
> Diwaniya, the Iraqi defence minister, Abdel Qader Jassim, admitted that
> resistance had been stiffer than he had bargained for. In a change of
> tactics, Mr Maliki extended the deadline for militants to surrender their
> arms until April 8. Facts on the ground in Basra were difficult to
> determine, but in telephone interviews it emerged that the battle for the
> streets of Basra had only just begun. One Mahdi army commander told the
> Guardian that it had captured a lot of the army's vehicles, guns and
> mortars, and that its fighters were well accustomed to using the side
> streets as their battle space.
>
> Mr Maliki is taking an enormous gamble in staking the reputation of his
> newly trained army against experienced street fighters in an urban terrain
> which is very familiar to them. His motives for doing so may be murkier
> than
> the mere desire to stamp the authority of central government on Shia
> militias. In Basra some saw the street fighting as a turf war between Shia
> militias, conducted in the run-up to crucial provincial elections in
> October. One prominent member of Moqtada al-Sadr's movement in Basra said
> the Mahdi army was being targeted not by the Iraqi government but by
> government militias working for its rivals, the Supreme Islamic Council
> and
> Mr Maliki's Dawa party.
>
> Whatever is happening, it is not going according to script. When it left
> Basra city centre last year the British army said it was handing over
> control to the police and army. As we can see now, they never had control.
BINGO! They LIED.
> Neither does the violence confirm the optimism of the senior US commander,
> General David Petraeus, who continues to claim that the surge of US troops
> has worked. If anything, the extent of the clashes shows how fragile the
> security gains over the past year have been and how dependent they were on
> ceasefires - like the one with the Mahdi army which now lies in tatters.
> This week's events expose the myth of an orderly hand-over of control from
> an occupying to an indigenous army.
>
> If the fighting continues, Britain has only two options: either to get
> back
> into a messy and bloody street battle, or to leave altogether.
> Staying put in Basra airport will not go down in the annals of military
> history as its most glorious moment.
It's downright COWARDLY.
> ===
>
> From The Times August 7, 2008
>
> Sidelined British soldiers 'itched to join' US fight for Basra Michael
> Evans, Defence Editor and Deborah Haynes in Baghdad
> British troops encamped at the airport outside Basra when American units
> and
> thousands of Iraqi reinforcements arrived in March to launch an attack on
> Shia extremists in the city were itching to join in, the commander of
> Britain's brigade at the time told The Times yesterday.
I'm sure they were. It is NOT the Brit TROOPS that are COWARDLY it is the
Brit Government and Electorate.
> Brigadier Julian Free, commander of 4 Mechanised Brigade, said that they
> had
> all wanted to be part of the operation "to help the Iraqis". But it was
> not
> possible to deploy British military instructors to work alongside the
> Iraqi
> troops in Basra until several days after the Baghdad-sponsored Operation
> Charge of the Knights began.
>
> A ministerial "submission" also had to be sent to London before a
> company-sized force could be deployed. For six months, there had been no
> British troops in the city after a deal last summer with the Shia militia.
ABSURD! "A ministerial "submission" also had to be sent to London before a
company-sized force could be deployed."
> The Ministry of Defence confirmed that Des Browne, the Defence Secretary,
> had been sent the submission, but that he was required only to "note" it,
> which he did. "There was no question of him having to make a decision
> whether to approve it or not," the MoD said. Brigadier Free's comments
> reflected the view of Lieutenant Colonel Chuck Western, one of the
> American
> commanders sent to Basra in March, who told The Times that the British
> appeared to be desperate to get into the city.
>
> British commanders 'wanted to storm Basra'
>
> Britain left facing wrath of its allies
> One of the problems, Brigadier Free said, was that the British troops did
> not have personal tracking devices, to make sure commanders knew where
> they
> were at all times. The Americans arrived with tracker beacons fitted to
> their vehicles, and Brigadier Free asked if he could have some for British
> vehicles. That took a few days.
AGAIN... The British People are so damned CHEAP they won't adequately FUND
and EQUIP their forces BEFORE DEPLOYMENT. So the Brit troops are forced to
SCROUNGE or say "We can't go forward."
> Brigadier Free spoke to The Times after stories in the paper in which
> American commanders claimed that, because of the deal with al-Mahdi Army
> Shia militia, British troops could not go into Basra when Operation Charge
> of the Knights was launched. The MoD has insisted that the deal was a
> separate issue and did not prevent troops from returning to Basra if
> required.
>
> The Americans and Iraqis started fighting al-Mahdi Army on Monday, March
> 24.
> Brigadier Free managed to insert about 100 British trainers into the city
> by
> the end of that week. He admitted that it was a nervous time when the
> first
> British troops went back into Basra, but said that the atmosphere was
> fantastic once the operation was under way.
D. Spencer Hines
> to 2,500 (the minimum required for self-protection) by late spring.
> But neither an early departure nor a further reduction in troop levels
> is politically viable. It would look like a retreat under fire, similar
> to Aden in 1967.
"LOOK LIKE'? Hell that's what it would BE.
Our own Pogue Surreyman here, another member of the Cut & Run Club, seems to
have been a participant in that earlier British Aden Fiasco.
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
Surreyman
Ignoring your pathetic slant on history, I was in fact in the
Sultanates some 8 years prior. Your 'cut & run' insult by no means
applied then, I can assure you.
Why don't you keep you imaginary ramblings based on something you
could at least check out if you even knew how.
Twit.
Surreyman
D. Spencer Hines
Pogue Surreyman [Alan Spencer] was involved in the long, drawn-out, British
Aden Debacle, wherein Britain Cut & Ran from Aden.
He was a minor peon in the British Army.
Indeed, the experience was so devastating, discombobulating and unnerving to
him that it turned him into a pinchpenny Little Englander, condemning,
excoriating and deprecating the presumed follies of the British Empire and
fiercely determined to defend ONLY his own small little garden in Surrey
against all aggressors, ragamuffins and scallywags -- while condemning and
ridiculing any less parochial, pinched and penurious World View...
And so he remains to this day.
John Briggs
> Point Proven...
>
> Pogue Surreyman [Alan Spencer] was involved in the long, drawn-out,
> British Aden Debacle, wherein Britain Cut & Ran from Aden.
>
> He was a minor peon in the British Army.
Probably a Housing Officer?
--
John Briggs
Moishe Oysher
wrote:
>"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
>news:u20qk.838$AB3....@eagle.america.net...
>
>> Obtuse reference to Anastasia Romanov, daughter of Tsar Nicholas II, who
>> was murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918.
>
>Damn!!!!
>
>I think you're right, and it was damned OBTUSE, but by GOD our friend
>MOISHE got it, didn't he???
>
>What a fucking coincidence that "tanky" makes an weird out of place
>refercence - but by jumpin jesus, our friend Moishe has no problem picking
>up on it.
Yeah. How about that. 2 people in 2 completel different parts of the country
and from 2 totally different backgrounds know something about history.
Gawsh! What're the chances?????
>Damn, Commander Dave,,,,, you ani't so slow afterall
You, on the other hand....
Y'know... to be slower than Hines takes some real slow genes.
J A
"Moishe Oysher" <moi...@potsmail.com> wrote in message
news:svula4p2mmkh3anaa...@4ax.com...
You're caught, tankponce, now run along and quit making more people aware of
it all.
"Moishe" posts through a specialized usenet posting service, which costs at
least $14.95 a month.
http://www.usenetserver.com/en/index.php
It hides the identity of the poster- it even omits the IP address so it
won't be obvious that he is a phony duplicate poster, for someone posting
from the same region of the country.
On the google profile, Mr. "Moishe"'s first posting occurs in June, 2008.
"Sockpuppet" - I guess that would be the right term.
But whose sockpuppet?
It looks like Mr. "Moishe" pops up in a lot of threads with our not very
bright friend "tankfixer", "Paul Carrier".
Oy Vey!!!
LOL.
And what a fucking coincidence that "tanky" makes an weird out of place
refercence about "Anastasia" in a post - but by jumpin jesus, our friend
"Moishe" has no problem picking up on it.
And Moishe Oysher hisself was an entertianer, from Russia.
Wiki:
" Moishe Oysher (1907, Lipkany, Bessarabia, Imperial Russia – 27 November
1958, New Rochelle, New York, USA).[1] He is considered one of the most
entertaining chazanim (cantors) ever recorded. It is said that there were
chazanim in his family going back six generations. "
Take your sockpuppet and run along.
>
>
Hiccum Blurpaedius
> > Gordon Brown said last year that he wanted to reduce troop numbers
> > to 2,500 (the minimum required for self-protection) by late spring.
> > But neither an early departure nor a further reduction in troop levels
> > is politically viable. It would look like a retreat under fire, similar
> > to Aden in 1967.
>
> "LOOK LIKE'? Hell that's what it would BE.
Animal House when John Belushi (right before he killed himself) tried
to get one frat to attack the other frat.
A bunch of frat idiots. Anybody that worships a PEDO for raping a
little girl named MAry Christmas 2008 years ago deserves to be
destroyed.
4000 dead tax sucking maggots in my book.
4000 reasons to celebrate freedom.
4000 less christain psychowads pointing guns at my head.
bring the War home
Surreyman
And you claim to have been in Nam, I believe ....... no cut & run
there of course - although you cut & ran a little early I understand?
Also, incidentally, I was not even in the army.
And long-time posters here will realise that, if anything, I am one of
the last remaining Empire Loyalists! :-))
Get your facts sorted.
Twit!
Surreyman
D. Spencer Hines
World War III.
Any fool, even one as dense as Surreyman, whose nation cut and ran from Aden
and now wants to cut and run from Iraq as soon as possible without losing
more face, should understand that.
So, as I have previously clearly stated with respect to Russia, this is Cold
War II, The Sequel.
It's always subject to renaming as the game unfolds -- just as we had The
Great War, later renamed to World War I.
We are also currently fighting World War IV, the Global War On
Islamofascist, Jihadist Terrorism.
Pogue Surreyman needs to read FAR more and get himself a playbook if he
intends to keep up with this international chess game.
D. Spencer Hines
aging pensioner cultivating his own small garden in Surrey, with a
bothersome, often ill wife -- a calcified Little Englander -- not even able
to cut the mustard in Aden -- where his nation cut and ran.
Now he advocates a Brit cut and run from Iraq -- just as he has been
whinging about for years.
Further, he is certainly not an Empire Loyalist -- just a poseur in such
matters -- fantasizing about the British Raj...
Sorrowfully looking at old English maps where so much of the globe was
colored pink -- the color of the British Empire.
Even the color pink has lost its respect and panache -- as it's been taken
over by the Homosexual Lobbies, along with violet, and the Code Pink
pacifist/feminist nuts in the United States.
Surreyman
No Hines. The above mental wandering is yours alone and used by no
other.
Twit!
Surreyman
Surreyman
Oh dear. He gets worse and worse.
Surreyman
James Hogg
<a.spe...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>On 20 Aug, 10:49, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>> Even the color pink has lost its respect and panache -- as it's been taken
>> over by the Homosexual Lobbies, along with violet, and the Code Pink
>> pacifist/feminist nuts in the United States.
>> --
>Oh dear. He gets worse and worse.
Yes, all the fine Hinesian rhetoric about Freedom & Liberty
breaks down when it comes to women and homosexuals. There
Caveman Hines sees the enemy lined up ready for World War VI.
James
James Hogg
That kind of objection is no obstacle to a narcissist living in a
world of his own.
He's got his own definition of communism too, according to which
Attila the Hun and Alexander the Great were Marxist-Leninists.
James
La N
"James Hogg" <Jas.H...@SPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jrpoa4dqknkq7u71v...@4ax.com...
Out of curiosity, what are his alter-ego Julia's forte / slash / interests?
- nilita
James Hogg
Very boring. Sorry to disappoint you:
I've no idea why Hines used a sock puppet in this case. He may
have been practising. I imagine he now has lots of other Usenet
identities, especially in the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.*
groups.
James