I wonder how this guy is going to celebrate Veteran's Day (he reminds me of someone else I/we knew - guess who?)
La N
A California man who masqueraded as a decorated Marine--complete with Purple
Heart, Navy Cross, and Bronze Star medals--had his charade busted after
running
into an actual Navy commander at their high school reunion. Probably not the
way this dope was planning to celebrate Veteran's Day:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/1111091medals1.html
La N
> >
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/1111091medals1.html
btw, look at his photo. Very decorated he is!
a425couple
> La N wrote:
>> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/1111091medals1.html
>
> btw, look at his photo. Very decorated he is!
Yes, I believe 28 !!! ribbons.
Idjot!!!!
Arved Sandstrom
Christ, he didn't stint on the fruit salad at the top, did he? Along
with the Navy Cross and Bronze Star and Purple Heart, looks like he also
got the Legion of Merit, Navy and Marine Corps Medal, and Defense
Meritorious Service Medal. Why, a guy like this would be a living legend
in the Corps...another Dan Daly or Chesty Puller. He should have done
some research before getting that carried away.
It's the little details that especially piss me off. These egotistical
little scumbags always masquerade as being multiple-award expert rifle
and pistol shots.
As for the ID badges, I'm no expert, but isn't this character purporting
to be in both the Office of the SecDef and in presidential service at
the same time?
AHS
BlackBeard
> a425couple wrote:
> > "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message ...
The more we point out his mistakes the better the next impostor will
be. :/
BB
Ray O'Hara
"BlackBeard" <spk...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:d4221534-f745-45bb...@2g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
BB
=====================================================================
and with veteren worship almost a national fetish there will be plenty.
Mark Borgerson
oh...@hotmail.com says...
scorn? The late 60's and early 70's were not the best of years
for veterans---at least not for anything related to their
service.
Mark Borgerson
deem...@aol.com
Well, I'm sure a legend like him can easily handle several
postings at the same time!
BlackBeard
> In article <hdfbl3$b6...@news.eternal-september.org>, raymond-
> oh...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "BlackBeard" <spk_...@msn.com> wrote in message
I'd say that lasted well into the 80's. I was in 78-82 and where we
were encouraged to wear our uniform in Australia, we were told to
avoid wearing them off-base in San Diego, Vallejo, SF, and Bremerton/
Seattle.
BB
BlackBeard
> BlackBeard <spk_...@msn.com> wrote:
> :
> :The more we point out his mistakes the better the next impostor will
> :be. :/
> :
>
> You know, I recall a young ensign who reported aboard with a chest
> full of stuff like this (ribbons, though, not medals). We all figured
> it was 'liberty ribbons' and he was really in for it when The Old Man
> saw them.
>
> Turned out they were all real (and he didn't wear everything, because
> it didn't fit on the coat). He was ex-enlisted (just happened to look
> very young for his age) and had spent three years pushing gunboats in
> the Mekong, getting a number of them shot out from under him.
>
> --
> "Speed and Violence. Death and Destruction.
> Someone's gonna die. We decide who."
> --VWF 11 Targeting
My favorite COB had a chest full of ribbons that would embarrass a
Russian General. He also had multiple gunboats shot out from under
him until he wisely decided to volunteer for Subs.
Smoked three packs of Pall Mall reds a day and always wanted his
coffee Black and Bitter!
" *cough, cough* Hey Keck, hustle down and grab me a pack of Reds
*cough cough* they're under my blanket at the foot of my rack. *cough
cough*. Oh, and on the way back bring me a black'n'bitter *cough
cough*"
Thanks for your service Master Chief Swain, wherever you are!
BB
J
[snip]
> The more we point out his mistakes the better the next impostor will
> be. :/
>
> BB
>
> =====================================================================
>
> and with veteren worship almost a national fetish there will be plenty.
Care to explain this comment as I'm not sure I understand?
Cheers . . . Scourge
Alan Lothian
<8abed35f-1d34-43ae...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
BlackBeard <spk...@msn.com> wrote:
<snippaggio -- as for all those fake-medal-wearing fuckwits, just shoot
the first one, no need for wholesale slaughter>
>
> My favorite COB had a chest full of ribbons that would embarrass a
> Russian General. He also had multiple gunboats shot out from under
> him until he wisely decided to volunteer for Subs.
> Smoked three packs of Pall Mall reds a day and always wanted his
> coffee Black and Bitter!
> " *cough, cough* Hey Keck, hustle down and grab me a pack of Reds
> *cough cough* they're under my blanket at the foot of my rack. *cough
> cough*. Oh, and on the way back bring me a black'n'bitter *cough
> cough*"
> Thanks for your service Master Chief Swain, wherever you are!
And how, Sean, is the Western World going to survive the tests and
trials of the 21st century without such chiefs? I speak as one
perplexed, lost in a foreign land that truly respects its war dead.
--
"The past resembles the future as water resembles water" -- Ibn Khaldun
If you wish to email me, try putting a dot between alan and lothian.
Blueyonder is a thing of the past.
BlackBeard
> In article
> <8abed35f-1d34-43ae-b480-c2e94b82d...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Careful Pandora, opening this box may cause dissent and tribulations
among the denizens of smn.
These days I often bite my tongue when the revisionists talk about
how wrong the old ways were and that thankfully we've done away with
such barbaric traditions.
Perhaps the young service members of today, due to the generation
they were raised in transform from civilian to military better with
the modern counseling and mentoring that is the preferred method. I
will not criticize them as they are doing a great job and if it works
for them then fine. But I will address the method later.
However my generation was raised differently. We responded to
different motivation and if I was presented with todays methods, would
have laughed at them and played they're efforts to my advantage. Thus
continuing my adolescent behavior and stalling my maturity.
So what bugs me is when people today want to criticize the methods of
yesterday. They were appropriate to the generation. The methods were
familiar to what my grandfather and father used, but better organized
and focused.
Now of course I will piss some people off. I think the tie-in to
the other threads about PTSD, service-member suicide, and other
associated problems are all related to the modern training. It may
work to get them to respond and show up but I don't think it prepares
them for what they must face.
There will always continue to be those with the true warrior heart
and those raised by some of the old principles that will survive and
perhaps thrive in the high stress situation. And thank god we've seen
a lot of them in the last few years. But IMHO if you haven't developed
the mental toughness to handle an amount of hazing, discomfort, and
physical pain, you aren't prepared for the military. Let's face it,
the enemy is going to treat you a lot worse.
The face of war hasn't changed, but we've diminished the preparation
we give our children to confront it.
I have a profound, heartfelt respect, and in some cases love for the
bastards that made me grow up. I cursed them a thousand times in
several languages throughout the annealing process. But they made me
who I am, and I am happy with that.
Sean
BlackBeard
I apologize for the formatting, I don't know what happened.
BB
BlackBeard
Oops, and I apologize for following up my own post, and in advance for
this post. :/
BB
La N
> On Nov 11, 7:42 pm, Alan Lothian <alanloth...@mac.com> wrote:
> There will always continue to be those with the true warrior heart
> and those raised by some of the old principles that will survive and
> perhaps thrive in the high stress situation. And thank god we've seen
> a lot of them in the last few years. But IMHO if you haven't developed
> the mental toughness to handle an amount of hazing, discomfort, and
> physical pain, you aren't prepared for the military. Let's face it,
> the enemy is going to treat you a lot worse.
I bet you think I'm going to argue with you since I have worked in the field
of traumatology. I'm not. But, I'm going to ask you ... where do you find
those people with a "true warrior heart"? And, btw, what *is* a "true
warrior heart"? Those of us who have lived through wars or have been
product of those who have lived through wars quite understandably prefer to
bring up our kids to love and prefer peace and that peace always begins at
home. And, yes, we have been socialized to *not* bring up our kids
badgered, ridiculed, humiliated, and beaten, and told to "butch up" so that
they are filled with such stored anger energy that they don't mind going out
there looking for "the enemy" on whom to deliver the blows that are waiting
and wanting to be delivered.
Apart from the antisocial personalities (read that: psychopaths or near
psychopaths), I don't know anybody who has gone into war claiming to be a
tough guy who has not come out it feeling at the very least a bit "off".
Having said that, believe it or not, I'm not a true pacifist. I will, if I
am put in the position, go blow-to-blow when it comes to defending me and
mine. Do I think for a minute that if I killed somebody or was maimed or
watched a friend of mine blown to pieces that it would not affect me? Of
course it would. I'm human. I don't know to what extent it would affect
me. But, if it bothered me terribly, I would hope that there would be some
kind understanding soul who would listen and validate my feelings that it is
okay to feel f*ed up.
Do you want to know something else? I've known lots and lots of brave
warriors, but only the ones I read on Usenet who bare their chests with
bravado pooh-poohing PTSD and treatment thereof are the ones who are those
who claim to not have not been affected emotionally at some level by hand to
hand, bullet to bullet combat. Behind such bravado I am pretty sure the
majority of them take refuge in the bottle, sleeping aids, have been
casualties of marriage wars, have issues with anger management, and ill
health.
So, I ask you once again, Sean, where *do* you find these "warrior types".
If there is a shortage of them, then you are going to have to deal with the
fact that a helluvalot of (young) men and women who enlist with the best of
intentions are going to end up needing help, as will their family members
and loved ones.
Mr. Lothian is invited to respond too ... :)
- nilita
BlackBeard
See Alan, I told you. :P
You find them throughout history and now. Those that went, did
their job, and came back and lived a normal life, raised a healthy
family and went through life without any complications that you could
attribute to the war. My Grandfather was one of them, He almost died
several times during WWII. He was up to his chest in quicksand in the
south Pacific. He took shrapnel in the mouth and ate through a straw
for months. Lost all of his teeth and the reconstruction of his face
changed his looks forever but it was the only face I ever knew.
He didn't drink, abuse any of us or his wife, rave or sulk. He went
on after the war and was a successful, well respected man.
I have a great uncle that served in WWII as a marine and survived
many landings and beach assaults. He would talk to me when I was a
child and only stress the heroics of his comrades, never himself. I
saw him shed tears, gently for their loss, but he always tried to put
it in perspective for me.
My father in law left high school early to serve in WWII, and
continued to serve into the 60's. We talk often of his experiences
and he's never mentioned having to deal with problems because of his
time.
I have a good friend that went through two tours in Viet Nam and we
camp, drink, and shoot together. I've heard his greatest fears and
worst memories and none of them have interfeared with his successful
life.
It was the ability to face the horrors of war, understand what they
were, and realize what you had control of and what you didn't. Then
when it was over release that pain and continue living. Isn't that
what you would counsel? Some can do it by themselves.
Your comment about "Internet warriors" and stereotypes like "macho"
are disingenuous because that is the medium in which you are
participating. To generalize the participation of the veterans who
post here without proof, is at best, unfair.
I saw a good quote yesterday. "I went, I came home, everything else
was details." That's the way many treated it. Neither you nor I have
the right to second-guess the veracity of their statements.
You focused on one line of my post. What about the rest of it?
Sean
La N
I honour your service, Sean, and those whom you have mentioned.
I love you all.
- nilita
BlackBeard
And furthermore, after re-reading your post I realize there are some
points I didn't address.
As to your comment about raising kids free of any 'tough times' I
didn't say you needed to beat them. Raise them on Sugar Mountain with
everything they wanted to make them sweet little coddled children,
which is what they will remain at whatever age. But they will not be
able to handle the stress of service. And as we've seen on Wall St.
and other locations they probably will have the character development
of a greedy little child also. They will not have the emotional tools
to handle the horrors of war and until war is eradicated they will be
unprepared to face it. Subsequently they will suffer for it.
We don't have the children growing up on the frontier anymore. If a
child had to deal with an outhouse or hunting vs. starving these days
they'd be gathered by the protective services and labeled abused. We
are making our, and their lives so easy I fear for their ability to
handle challenges other than social or academic. This would be fine
if the baser of mans experiences, war, crime etc. were gone. But
they're not and we are neglecting their development if we do not
prepare them to face the uglier side of life. You cannot always talk
your way out of a fight. You cannot always turn the other cheek.
When you comment that all you have seen (that experienced war)
needed help perhaps it is because they sought you out for that
reason. They needed help. I'm quite certain there are many more out
there that neither sought your or anyone else's help.
I've known a few that also needed help, but they were not the
majority. One I helped simply because I listened. He still mentions
it from time to time and he is a VN Vet. But he says until he met me
(80's) he had never met anyone that seemed to truly wanted to listen,
other than his wife, without judgement or some perverse desire for war
details. We are still very good friends.
I've met both types, I admit that. You seem to claim (correct me if
I'm wrong) that every Vet you know that experienced war, came home
screwed up. I find that to be strange.
BB
La N
First of all, I have never said "every vet" ..... etc. etc. ..
Secondly, if you missed my previous message, I will repeat it.
Thank you, Sean, and the others you mentioned, for your service. I love you
all.
I really do.
- nilita
BlackBeard
Thank you, but you misspelled honor. ;)
BB
La N
rest of it?
>>
>> I honour your service, Sean, and those whom you have mentioned.
>>
>> I love you all.
>>
>> - nilita
>
> Thank you, but you misspelled honor. ;)
>
Nope. I'm perfect. I love you and your friends and loved ones, Sean. Ergo
I'm perfect .... :)
- nil (the honourable)
Mark Borgerson
fjmc...@gmail.com says...
> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :First of all, I have never said "every vet" ..... etc. etc. ..
> :
> :Secondly, if you missed my previous message, I will repeat it.
> :
> :Thank you, Sean, and the others you mentioned, for your service. I love you
> :all.
> :
> :I really do.
>
> In other words, DEFLECT, damn you!
>
> Yeah, she loves us all. We can tell by the spiteful things she says
> when we disagree with her.
>
>
Isn't that a bit of the pot calling the kettle black? You've been
known to say a few spiteful things about people with whom you disagree.
Mark Borgerson
La N
Ya think? btw, I really do love/admire/get a kick out of/enjoy jousting
with most all the people in this group even if I disagree with them. Yes,
even Yanik and Froggie! Fred is the lone denizen in the killfile, and
obviously he is in many killfiles or is otherwise ignored, since I don't
"see" him often.
- nilita
Jeffrey Hamilton
And you know what, nilita ? It absolutely _eats_ Fred up with jealousy.
All it takes for Fred to get into a towering rage, is for you to have a
pleasant exchange, with your on-line friends, of course he is always
excluded. :)
cheers.....Jeff
> - nilita
Alan Lothian
<99e65999-1099-46a0...@i12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
BlackBeard <spk...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Careful Pandora, opening this box may cause dissent and tribulations
> among the denizens of smn.
While I do somewhat resent being described as Pandora, a girlie sort of
chapesse, I am prepared to overlook it on this occasion. After all, I'm
quite fond of girlie sorts of chapesse. Funny bits between their legs,
but where would we be without them?
Unlike you to go on at such length; but a post well worth reading.
I agree with pretty well all of it, but even if I didn't I'd still say
thanks, sir.
Also, in re Pandora: what was left in the silly besom's box?
Hope, sir. Hope.
Jeffrey Hamilton
> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> La N wrote:
>>> Mark Borgerson wrote:
>>>> In article <9nknf55v3c40svl05...@4ax.com>,
>>>> fjmc...@gmail.com says...
>>>>> "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, I have never said "every vet" ..... etc. etc. ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Secondly, if you missed my previous message, I will repeat it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you, Sean, and the others you mentioned, for your service.
>>>>>> I love you all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, DEFLECT, damn you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, she loves us all. We can tell by the spiteful things she
>>>>> says when we disagree with her.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Isn't that a bit of the pot calling the kettle black? You've been
>>>> known to say a few spiteful things about people with whom you
>>>> disagree.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ya think? btw, I really do love/admire/get a kick out of/enjoy
>>> jousting with most all the people in this group even if I disagree
>>> with them. Yes, even Yanik and Froggie! Fred is the lone denizen
>>> in the killfile, and obviously he is in many killfiles or is
>>> otherwise ignored, since I don't "see" him often.
>>
>> And you know what, nilita ? It absolutely _eats_ Fred up with
>> jealousy.
>>
>
I do realize it must be lonely for you, Fred, always on the outside looking
in. You really can't expect people to welcome your presence, Fred, much
less tolerate you, when you've spent so much time being as disagreeable as
possible. But you've made your own bed, Fred and now you must lie in it.
>>
>> All it takes for Fred to get into a towering rage, ...
>>
>
> <snicker>
>
> You're never going to get it, are you?
I actually understand *_you_* perfectly, Fred.
We'll just see how long it takes, before your next irrational outburst,
Fred. The clock is ticking........
cheers.....Jeff
Jeffrey Hamilton
Fred J. McCall wrote:
> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>
>>> I hope your delusions keep you cosy at night, Skippy.
>>
>> I do realize it must be lonely for you, Fred, always on the outside
>> looking in. You really can't expect people to welcome your
>> presence, Fred, much less tolerate you, when you've spent so much
>> time being as disagreeable as possible. But you've made your own
>> bed, Fred and now you must lie in it.
>>
>
> Poor Jiff will never get it. He does keep trying to cuddle up to
> Nilita, though. He hasn't figured out yet that she's not interested
> in men who live in Canada, since she can already live there.
>
>>
>>>
>>> <snicker>
>>>
>>> You're never going to get it, are you?
>>
>> I actually understand *_you_* perfectly, Fred.
>>
>> We'll just see how long it takes, before your next irrational
>> outburst, Fred. The clock is ticking........
>>
>
> This is Raving Round Five for you, Skippy. I expect at some point
> you'll realize yet again that you're only hurting yourself and people
> will prevail on you to knock it off again.
>
> As for me, I don't mind you making yourself look like the total ass
> that you are. You should continue, by all means.