Wright A Tool Being Used By Hillary Supporter To Destroy Obama?
D. Spencer Hines
Tuesday, April 29th 2008
Errol Louis
Daily News
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright couldn't have done more damage to Barack Obama's
campaign if he had tried. And you have to wonder if that's just what one
friend of Wright wanted.
Shortly before he rose to deliver his rambling, angry, sarcastic remarks at
the National Press Club Monday, Wright sat next to, and chatted with,
Barbara Reynolds.
A former editorial board member at USA Today, she runs something called
Reynolds News Services and teaches ministry at the Howard University School
of Divinity. (She is an ordained minister).
It also turns out that Reynolds - introduced Monday as a member of the
National Press Club "who organized" the event - is an enthusiastic Hillary
Clinton supporter.
On a blog linked to her Web site- www.reynoldsnews.com- Reynolds said in a
February post: "My vote for Hillary in the Maryland primary was my way of
saying thank you" to Clinton and her husband for the successes of Bill
Clinton's presidency.
The same post criticized Obama's "Audacity of Hope" theme: "Hope by
definition is not based on facts," wrote Reynolds. It is an emotional
expectation. Things hoped for may or may not come. But help based on
experience trumps hope every time."
In another blog entry, Reynolds gives an ever-sharper critique of Obama: "It
is a sad testimony that to protect his credentials as a unifier above the
fray, the senator is fueling the media characterization that Rev. Dr. Wright
is some retiring old uncle in the church basement."
I don't know if Reynolds' eagerness to help Wright stage a disastrous news
conference with the national media was a way of trying to help Clinton - my
queries to Reynolds by phone and e-mail weren't returned yesterday - but
it's safe to say she didn't see any conflict between promoting Wright and
supporting Clinton.
It's hard to exaggerate how bad the actual news conference was. Wright,
steeped in an honorable, fiery tradition of Bible-based social criticism,
cheapened his arguments and his movement by mugging for the cameras, rolling
his eyes, heaping scorn on his critics and acting as if nobody in the room
was learned enough to ask him a question.
Wright has, unquestionably, been caricatured and vilified unfairly. The
feeding programs, prison outreach and other social services he has built
over more than 30 years are commendable, and his reading of the
Judeo-Christian tradition as an epic story of people trying to escape
slavery is far more right than wrong - and not something to be caricatured
or compressed into a 10-second sound bite.
But Wright should have known - and his friend and ally Reynolds, a media
professional, surely knew - that bickering with the press can only harm
Wright and, by extension, Obama.
I hope that wasn't their goal.
J A
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:zVGRj.438$v91....@eagle.america.net...
> Is Jeremiah Wright a colossal disaster for Barack Obama or a press trick?
Why don't we all just agree that all these supernaturalists are of negative
value to society, and stop pretending otherwise?
Most supernaturalists claim they are patriotic, but the bible is basically
anti-democratic, and therefore anti-American in values.
It has no discussion or description of democracy, or people having any say
in, or taking part in, how their govenrment treats them or what it does.
There's no due process of law, or description of human rights. It's all
about slaves obeying their masters, genocide of innocent people outside the
"tribe", fathers selling daughters into (sexual) slavery, women being
treated as chattel, laws and orders being handed down by supernatural beings
and kings and "judges" that people had no say in.
The Bible is essentially anti-American. If someone wants to live under
superstition and dictates, let him emigrate the Middle East.
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast
> "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote in messagenews:zVGRj.438$v91....@eagle.america.net...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well if the Bible can be accused of the crime of "Anti-Americanism,"
then let's not forget the Quran. Actually both books are really great
literature, but only for those who have retained their objectivity and
their horse sense.
Cheers, David H
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
The blogosphere catches up with Hines
April 29, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama
Press Club president responds: Reynolds pitched Rev. Wright two years
ago
National Press Club president Sylvia Smith responded today to a Daily
News article reporting that club member Barbara Reynolds, a Hillary
Clinton supporter, organized yesterday’s breakfast talk with Dr.
Jeremiah Wright Jr.
Smith said by phone this morning that she still doesn’t know if
Reynolds supports Clinton, and doesn’t care either way.
“Reverend Wright is newsworthy, period,” Smith said.
But Wright wasn’t as newsworthy two years ago when Reynolds first
pitched Barack Obama’s controversial pastor as a potential speaker for
the press club, according to Smith.
At that time, the speaker’s committee—of which Reynolds is now a part
of, but wasn’t at the time—didn’t move forward with selecting Wright.
“He wasn’t newsworthy then in the broader context,” Smith said.
An ordained minister, Reynolds, teaches at Howard University School of
Divinity, and knows Wright personally. So she was the ideal contact
person for Wright when the controversy broke in mid-March.
Smith said that Reynolds pitched Wright again as a speaker, and the
speakers committee wanted him because he was far more newsworthy than
two years earlier. Reynolds became the point person.
For each speaking event, one member of the organizing committee is
assigned as the main contact. That person performs various tasks, from
choosing who sits at the head table to drafting the NPC president’s
introduction, according to Smith. And Reynolds was the point person
for
Ben first spotted the Reynolds connection, and noted last night what
she said about Obama last month, which is supportive of Wright.
"[I]t is a sad testimony that to protect his credentials as a unifier
above the fray the Senator is fueling the media characterization that
Rev. Dr. Wright is some retiring old uncle in the church basement
instead of respecting Wright for the towering astute father of
progressive social and global causes that he is."
UPDATE: I've discovered that Wright spoke at the press club in 2007,
and Reynolds was the contact person.
UPDATE 2: In response to Jonathan Salant's criticism in the comments
section. Bloomberg's Angela Greiling Kean--who is chair of the
Speakers Committee, and was vice-chair in 2006--just confirmed to me
by e-mail that Reynolds personally made a pitch to her two years ago
to have Wright speak at the club. The idea was rejected before it
reached higher levels in the NPC, she said. For that reason, Salant
may never have had to even weigh in on it.
J A
"Singanas@Texasgulfcoast" <davidh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b3480be8-d386-4f78...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
As someone who has "retained their objectivity and their horse sense", why
don't you give us some examples of what you think are "great literature", in
these books?
You aren't just be repeating commonly mouthed platitudes, right?
An objective reading of either book inculdes incitements to mass murder
against people outside the faith.
Koran, Verse 9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around
you."
The old testament has a number of accounts of mass murder, and lays out
rules for fathers selling their daughters into slavery.
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast
> "Singanas@Texasgulfcoast" <davidholi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A fair question, J A.
Your assumption is that a narrative cannot be "great literature" if
the
content is in any way subversive or controversial. What separates
literature from ordinary text is not what is written but how it is
written.
For example, "big horse" is plain text. "Lusty steed" is literature.
In
literature one finds figurative and imaginative language. Scripture,
any religious scripture, is literature because it contains metaphors,
symbols, rhyme, cadence, irony, allusion, et cet.
The Quran, the Bible, the Soviet Constitution, Mein Kampf, the
Declaration
of Independence, the Preamble to the Constitution, are all great
literature
not because they are "good" or "bad" but because they are very well
written. I believe it was the late great Oscar Wilde who made this
point first.
Cheers, Singanas of the Gulf Coast.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John Briggs
"Mein Kampf" is neither "great literature" nor "well written". It is
generally considered ["weasel words", as the Wikipedia - that great work of
literature - is wont to say] to be unreadable. I have never heard of the
"Soviet Constitution" (whatever that might be) being considered "great
literature". You may be thinking of "The Communist Manifesto".
--
John Briggs
J A
People read great literature for pleasure and enlightenment.
A small percentage of the population read the bible and quran because they
have it mistakenly drummed into them that they contain "wisdom".
Much of what's in both, is so unclear that people pick, choose and mangle it
to suit their own contemporary purposes (the slavery issue in the US, mid
1800's is
a prime example), and al Qaeda's use of the Quran to justify murder is
another example.
People read Mein Kampf (which I've only seen described as poor writing), the
Soviet Constitution (did you mean Marx?) etc. only as homework
assignments, and because they can't get the Cliff Notes.
Andrew Swallow
[snip]
>
> "Mein Kampf" is neither "great literature" nor "well written". It is
> generally considered ["weasel words", as the Wikipedia - that great work of
> literature - is wont to say] to be unreadable. I have never heard of the
> "Soviet Constitution" (whatever that might be) being considered "great
> literature". You may be thinking of "The Communist Manifesto".
Only the introduction to "The Communist Manifesto" is great literature.
The actual manifesto is unreadable.
Andrew Swallow
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast
The Bukharin Constitution which was commissioned by Stalin.
Stalin ordered the arrest and execution of Bukharin during the purge.
Great Lit often seems "unreadable" to those who are weak in
vocabulary and comprehension. "Mein Kampf" is one of the
greatest autobiographies ever written. Hitler failed in politics and
war but not in art and literary expression. His candor and honesty
in "Mein Kampf" made him the prototype for all German youth.
You cannot convince the youth of a nation to die for your cause
unless you can write good books and good speeches about it.
Swallow shows his limited education by quoting Wikipedia which
is compiled by lay persons and not scholars.
David H
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Andrew Swallow
[snip]
>
> Swallow shows his limited education by quoting Wikipedia which
> is compiled by lay persons and not scholars.
Adivce to a young lawyer.
When the facts are against you argue the law.
When the law is against you argue the facts.
When facts and the law are against you call the other lawyer names.
Scholars do compile Wikipedia.
When you are reduced to calling the other size names then both the facts
and the rules are against you.
YOU LOSE David H.
Andrew Swallow
John Briggs
> On May 1, 6:56 pm, Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> John Briggs wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Mein Kampf" is neither "great literature" nor "well written". It
>>> is generally considered ["weasel words", as the Wikipedia - that
>>> great work of literature - is wont to say] to be unreadable. I
>>> have never heard of the "Soviet Constitution" (whatever that might
>>> be) being considered "great literature". You may be thinking of
>>> "The Communist Manifesto".
>>
>> Only the introduction to "The Communist Manifesto" is great
>> literature. The actual manifesto is unreadable.
>>
>> Andrew Swallow
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The Bukharin Constitution which was commissioned by Stalin.
> Stalin ordered the arrest and execution of Bukharin during the purge.
>
> Great Lit often seems "unreadable" to those who are weak in
> vocabulary and comprehension. "Mein Kampf" is one of the
> greatest autobiographies ever written. Hitler failed in politics and
> war but not in art and literary expression. His candor and honesty
> in "Mein Kampf" made him the prototype for all German youth.
> You cannot convince the youth of a nation to die for your cause
> unless you can write good books and good speeches about it.
That is preposterous nonsense.
--
John Briggs
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mr. Swallow,
Re your "advice to a young lawyer,"
If you are the senior partner of a law firm, pray tell me what name
I called you ? I am very careful about separating individuals from
their actions. For example I may like you as a web personality
but find you
unacceptable as a tenant or employee. I said that you show a
lack of education by quoting Wikipedia over say, Britannica or
Encarta. Some of the Wikipedia entries are scholarly but many
are the product of Internet loons. If even one loon is listed as a
source, then the whole of Wikipedia is discredited. Anyway, isn't
that program controlled by Germans instead Brits or Danes ?
Cheers, David H
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
fnij...@nospam.net
>Singanas@Texasgulfcoast wrote:
>[snip]
>>
>> Swallow shows his limited education by quoting Wikipedia which
>> is compiled by lay persons and not scholars.
>Adivce to a young lawyer.
>When the facts are against you argue the law.
>When the law is against you argue the facts.
>When facts and the law are against you call the other lawyer names.
>Scholars do compile Wikipedia.
Wrong. Anyone can compile and/or edit Wikipedia.
Do you really believe the nonsense you post, or do you just come here to
troll?
TMOliver
"John Briggs" <john.b...@ntlworld.com> wrote...
I agree with John.
Evidence for that conclusion?
I actually possess a copy of _Mein Kampf_, sitting on my bookshelves
(arranged in some sort of chronological/area of interest order) next to the
original and later Shirer, still among the readable commentaries on the N*zi
regime. After reading a couple of posts last night, I carried the book to
my Chamber of Ease for a relaxing, unhurried shit. Nothing which emerged
from my ass could have been any more turgid and conveyed greater odor than
what arose from the few pages I attempted (having not read the book since
1960 or so, and once, required, was enough).
It couldn't have been simply the translation which scanned so poorly, but
that the guy seemed to actually believe that claptrap (no matter the
experiences which may have caused him to do so) is evidence of his
derangement (and the national derangement which his words fertilized). His
apparent charisma and magnetism of appeal to the German people is simply a
commentary or just how much they must have been like Rev. Wright's
congregation....
Great Literature? Bullshit! Important to be read all or in part in
beginning to understand the times and circumstances? Certainly. But never
mistake "important" for "good" (and certainly don't confuse it with "Great".
While I would hardly classify Marx as bedside reading (and it's been decades
since I actually read more than a snippet of two of his works), at least he
deals with a more real and realistic accounting and perspective of history,
although the conclusions and chronologies he predicated did not eventuate
according to the Marxian scheme or time frame.
For nations which have provided the world with literary giants, one must
admit that Russia/USSR under the Bolsheviki and Germany under the N*zis were
not exactly locales in which great literature flourished. Where occasional
tidbits of acceptable art snuck in among the ghastly mass produced in both
countries, examples seem to have been highly personal and often dangerous to
those who produced them.
TMO
Jack Linthicum
> "John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> wrote...
Like the two guys in the Richmond tavern right after the CSA adopted
thier Constitution.
1st, What's that?
2nd, New Constitution
1st Reads like the old U. States one
2nd, We made some improvements
1st, Like what, secession?
2nd, No, not that radical
Vince Brannigan
Its worth remembering that Mein Kampf was dictated, not written.
The german text seems to be written in 10-20 second explosive bursts, as
if Hitler alternated between articulating a "thought" and his amanuensis
writing it down
e.g the english text is
In this little town on the Inn, gilded by the rays of German martyrdom,
Bavarian by blood, technically Austrian, lived my parents in the late
eighties of the past century; my father a dutiful civil servant; my
mother giving all her being to the household, and devoted above all to
us children in eternal, loving care.
one online source which clearly has trouble which the German text has
the passage as
In diesem von den Strahlen deutschen M„rtyrertums vergoldeten
Innst„dtchen, bayerisch dem Blute, Oesterreichisch dem Staate nach,
wohnten am Ende der achtziger Jahre des vergangenen Jahrhunderts
meine Eltern; der Vater als pflichtgetreuer Staatsbeamter, die
Mutter im Haushalt aufgehend und vor allem uns Kindern in ewig
gleicher liebevoller Sorge zugetan.
the german "rolls" in oratoriacal fasion in 10 second bites
he is giving a speech
Vince
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"TMOliver" <tmoliv...@hot.rr.comFIX> wrote in message
news:481b285f$0$4107$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> It couldn't have been simply the translation which scanned so poorly, but
> that the guy seemed to actually believe that claptrap (no matter the
> experiences which may have caused him to do so) is evidence of his
> derangement (and the national derangement which his words fertilized).
> His apparent charisma and magnetism of appeal to the German people is
> simply a commentary or just how much they must have been like Rev.
> Wright's congregation....
Or the OBAMAMANIACS...
Same Phenomenon.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
D. Spencer Hines
Hitler..
To Hess, the amanuensis.
Hypnotic Speech to Germans of the day.
OBAMA also speaks in short BURSTS...
And is made fun of on SNL for it.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Vince Brannigan" <fir...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3IHSj.1163$sp.660@trnddc02...
> I assure you it also "loses something in the original"
> Its worth remembering that Mein Kampf was dictated, not written.
> The german text seems to be written in 10-20 second explosive bursts, as
> if Hitler alternated between articulating a "thought" and his amanuensis
> writing it down
>
> e.g the english text is
> In this little town on the Inn, gilded by the rays of German martyrdom,
> Bavarian by blood, technically Austrian, lived my parents in the late
> eighties of the past century; my father a dutiful civil servant; my mother
> giving all her being to the household, and devoted above all to us
> children in eternal, loving care.
>
> one online source which clearly has trouble which the German text has the
> passage as
>
> In diesem von den Strahlen deutschen M„rtyrertums vergoldeten
> Innst„dtchen, bayerisch dem Blute, Oesterreichisch dem Staate nach,
> wohnten am Ende der achtziger Jahre des vergangenen Jahrhunderts
> meine Eltern; der Vater als pflichtgetreuer Staatsbeamter, die
> Mutter im Haushalt aufgehend und vor allem uns Kindern in ewig
> gleicher liebevoller Sorge zugetan.
>
> the german "rolls" in oratoriacal [sic] fasion [sic] in 10 second bites
Jack Linthicum
> Yes...
>
> Hitler..
>
> To Hess, the amanuensis.
>
> Hypnotic Speech to Germans of the day.
>
> OBAMA also speaks in short BURSTS...
>
> And is made fun of on SNL for it.
>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
>
> news:3IHSj.1163$sp.660@trnddc02...
>
> > I assure you it also "loses something in the original"
> > Its worth remembering that Mein Kampf was dictated, not written.
> > The german text seems to be written in 10-20 second explosive bursts, as
> > if Hitler alternated between articulating a "thought" and his amanuensis
> > writing it down
>
> > e.g the english text is
> > In this little town on the Inn, gilded by the rays of German martyrdom,
> > Bavarian by blood, technically Austrian, lived my parents in the late
> > eighties of the past century; my father a dutiful civil servant; my mother
> > giving all her being to the household, and devoted above all to us
> > children in eternal, loving care.
>
> > one online source which clearly has trouble which the German text has the
> > passage as
>
> > In diesem von den Strahlen deutschen M�rtyrertums vergoldeten
> > Innst�dtchen, bayerisch dem Blute, Oesterreichisch dem Staate nach,
> > wohnten am Ende der achtziger Jahre des vergangenen Jahrhunderts
> > meine Eltern; der Vater als pflichtgetreuer Staatsbeamter, die
> > Mutter im Haushalt aufgehend und vor allem uns Kindern in ewig
> > gleicher liebevoller Sorge zugetan.
>
> > the german "rolls" in oratoriacal [sic] fasion [sic] in 10 second bites
> > he is giving a speech
>
> > Vince
Have you noticed Mr. Hines that you also write in short bursts? Not
really full sentences.
Professor Irwin Corey
>In <Mdadnxyc5nzztifv...@bt.com>, on 05/02/2008
> at 09:31 AM, Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> said:
>
>>Singanas@Texasgulfcoast wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>
>>> Swallow shows his limited education by quoting Wikipedia which
>>> is compiled by lay persons and not scholars.
>>
>>Adivce to a young lawyer.
>
>>When the facts are against you argue the law.
>>When the law is against you argue the facts.
>>When facts and the law are against you call the other lawyer names.
>
>>Scholars do compile Wikipedia.
>
>Wrong. Anyone can compile and/or edit Wikipedia.
Are you claiming that none of them are Scholars?
>Do you really believe the nonsense you post, or do you just come here to
>troll?
Do you actually read for comprehension before shooting off your mouth?
Survey says ...... Nope!
Bert Hyman
<prof....@whatsamatter.edu> wrote:
> In <OKCSj.9332$1m3.6603@trndny02>, fnij...@nospam.net wrote:
>
>>In <Mdadnxyc5nzztifv...@bt.com>, on 05/02/2008
>> at 09:31 AM, Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> said:
>>
>>>Scholars do compile Wikipedia.
>>
>>Wrong. Anyone can compile and/or edit Wikipedia.
>
> Are you claiming that none of them are Scholars?
Are you claiming that being a "scholar" is some sort of guarantee that
the items will be factual or unbiased?
Presumably, the comedian Professor Corey is your model of a scholar.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
Billzz
news:Xns9A92B7479D4...@216.250.184.7...
However..
What do you mean comedian? "The World's Foremost Authority" is still
lecturing.
Professor Irwin Corey
<be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>In news:vj6n141a84sthk5sa...@4ax.com Professor Irwin Corey
><prof....@whatsamatter.edu> wrote:
>
>> In <OKCSj.9332$1m3.6603@trndny02>, fnij...@nospam.net wrote:
>>
>>>In <Mdadnxyc5nzztifv...@bt.com>, on 05/02/2008
>>> at 09:31 AM, Andrew Swallow <am.sw...@btinternet.com> said:
>>>
>>>>Scholars do compile Wikipedia.
>>>
>>>Wrong. Anyone can compile and/or edit Wikipedia.
>>
>> Are you claiming that none of them are Scholars?
>
>Are you claiming that being a "scholar" is some sort of guarantee that
>the items will be factual or unbiased?
Reading comprehension being low on your list of priorities, allow me to
explain briefly: Eddy, in his usual knee-jerk fashion, fails to understand
that "anyone" may, or may not, include scholars, I attempted to gain
clarification from him regarding the ambiguity of his
froth^h^h^h^h^hstatement.
>Presumably, the comedian Professor Corey is your model of a scholar.
Apparently you feel attacking my choice of a nym is a valid replacement for
your abysmal reading comprehension skills.
STBY
Bert Hyman
<prof....@whatsamatter.edu> wrote:
> Reading comprehension being low on your list of priorities,
Good luck.
Les Cargill
You have got to be kidding. "Mein Kampf" is virtually
unreadable. Communist agitprop misused words to the
point that Orwell was inspired to invent "newspeak"
as a metaphor for this practice.
--
Les Cargill
Richard Casady
<prof....@whatsamatter.edu> wrote:
>Apparently you feel attacking my choice of a nym is a valid replacement for
>your abysmal reading comprehension skills.
There are a bunch of people at Alt.Folklore.Urban who have been
posting under their real names for ten years or more without any ill
effects. Over that period, I have noticed that those who post under a
fake name are on the average, less credible than those who use their
real names. I wonder why that is.
Casady
D. Spencer Hines
No one who hides behind a pseudonym, just a first name or a sock puppet can
be taken seriously.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Richard Casady" <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Singanas@Texasgulfcoast
> Innews:fu2p14p2a8be4k48h...@4ax.comProfessor Irwin Corey
>
> <prof.co...@whatsamatter.edu> wrote:
> > Reading comprehension being low on your list of priorities,
>
> Good luck.
>
> --
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Before this thread changes to another topic, I must add
that I cannot defend "Mein Kampf" as "great lit" because
my library is divided between Houston and the coast.
The closest thing to "Mein Kampf" here on the Gulf coast
is MIT HITLER IM WESTEN. The chapter I read and quoted
in Usenet
last year probably had a superior translator. Someone said
(Vince B. ?) that Hitler dictated his autobiography, whereas my
impression is that he wrote the book to kill time while imprisoned.
As for Mr. Swallow's remark that I am trolling... How is that
possible
when (1) I am a member of the NG and (2) the topic is a question ?
When Hines asks a question to the group, how can a member of
the group who answers be labeled a troll ? This is another example
of Mr. Swallow's lack of cerebral capacitance. Definitely a
member of Wikipedia's targeted demographic.
Cheers, David H
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
D. Spencer Hines
while all three were comfortably ensconced in Landsberg Prison -- after the
failed Munich Beer Hall Putsch of 1923.
So, you were roughly "half right" -- say 40% -- because Hitler didn't
dictate it "to kill time".
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Singanas@Texasgulfcoast" <davidh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Jack Linthicum
wrote:> > Innews:fu2p14p2a8be4k48h...@4ax.comProfessorIrwin Corey
Combination of two statements, Hitler dictated Mein Kampf in prison to
Rudolph Hess. Answering Hines makes you an accessory. I've done it
many times.
Professor Irwin Corey
richar...@earthlink.net (Richard Casady) wrote:
I posted under my real name for many, many years. Then the crazies started
going RL with their fun and games. I prefer to not subject myself to that
behaviour any more.
Professor Irwin Corey
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>Of course they are less credible....
>
>No one who hides behind a pseudonym, just a first name or a sock puppet can
>be taken seriously.
Hines, you post under your real name and hardly anyone takes you seriously.
>Lux et Veritas et Libertas
People who use latin to try and come across as intelligent and all-knowing
are pretentious gits who most likely bask in their own imagined glory.
D. Spencer Hines
to this day.
Have I and my family been attacked and abused by all sorts of crooked means?
Of course...
It Goes With The Territory.
"Going RL"?
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Professor Irwin Corey" <prof....@whatsamatter.edu> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines
No one who hides behind a pseudonym, just a first name or a sock puppet on
the Internet can be taken seriously.
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
Vince Brannigan
> I was more honest and stalwart than you -- and continue to use my Real Name
> to this day.
>
> Have I and my family been attacked and abused by all sorts of crooked means?
>
> Of course...
>
> It Goes With The Territory.
>
> "Going RL"?
>
> DSH
>
"attacked and abused by all sorts of crooked means?"
I could see attacks "using" any number of "crooked" objects, from Bishops crosiers to hurleys
Means /Noun/
the medium, method, or instrument used to obtain a result or achieve an
end: a means of transport
but one is normally attacked "by" the entity wielding the "means"
However any attack of any kind on a poster's family in any way shape or
form is despicable beyond belief
I also believe that personal attacks on posters as opposed to their
ideas simply indicate a paucity of contribution on the part of the poster
Vince Brannigan
Real name real person
george
>
> Have you noticed Mr. Hines that you also write in short bursts? Not
> really full sentences.
It's all the fault of his attention span
Richard Casady
<prof....@whatsamatter.edu> wrote:
>>There are a bunch of people at Alt.Folklore.Urban who have been
>>posting under their real names for ten years or more without any ill
>>effects. Over that period, I have noticed that those who post under a
>>fake name are on the average, less credible than those who use their
>>real names. I wonder why that is.
>I posted under my real name for many, many years. Then the crazies started
>going RL with their fun and games. I prefer to not subject myself to that
>behaviour any more.
Well, if you have actually had trouble along those lines, I guess it
makes sense to post under a nym. I post under my real name, but I dont
give out my address and phone number.
Casady
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast
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Commander,
Many thanks for your details on Hitler's imprisonment
at Landsburg. Here is my report on Hitler at Half Price
Books. The "Hitler/NAZI" section has 62 volumes. At
least 90% are in new, uncirculated condition. There are
some copies of these on a table display of "military
history."
Not one edition of MEIN KAMPF. I checked with the clerk
who said there is no biography section per se. The biographies
are dispersed: English kings in one locus, Napoleonic in
another place, and famous Americans in yet another place.
As for fiction and literature, author biographies are blended
into the stacks according to alphabet. For example the Hemingway
bios will be next to Hemingway's works. Hitler doesn't rate as an
author in the combined literature/fiction stack.
Cheers, Holiman SM2, retired , aka Singanas
(Please continue using Latin clips.
It gives the NG an air of classical sophistication.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
D. Spencer Hines
You're quite welcome.
DSH
"Singanas@Texasgulfcoast" <davidh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7af9a511-93ce-437b...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Renia
> On May 4, 11:30 pm, george <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>> On May 3, 7:24 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Have you noticed Mr. Hines that you also write in short bursts? Not
>>> really full sentences.
>> It's all the fault of his attention span
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Commander,
>
>
> (Please continue using Latin clips.
> It gives the NG an air of classical sophistication.)
More like cliched sophisitcation.
James Hogg
wrote:
"Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude" ("Gay big man with commendation") and
"Lux et Veritas et Libertas" are hardly anybody's idea of
"sophisitcation".
James
Jack Linthicum
What about Texans? Wiping the horseshit off your $500 boots on a
$20,000 Persian 18th Century carpet, on the floor, is sophisticated in
Texas.
La N
"James Hogg" <Jas.H...@SPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cpi024l75oag3nae4...@4ax.com...
How do you think "recte" sounds? Especially when he posts it ad infinitum
ad nauseum ....
- nilita
James Hogg
wrote:
Et tu, Nilita? Don't get started on these effete affectations. They
are habit forming.
Recte is either a vocative form and he's apostrophising his Derry Air,
or else it's a confused attempt to get "erect".
Either way it's below the belt.
James
La N
And I, for one, am tired of reading about Hines sex life, especially when
there are more interesting examples of bispecies couplings. I offer you
this: http://news.bbc.co.uk:80/2/hi/science/nature/7379554.stm wherein a
frisky seal tries to mate with a penguin.
- nilita
Renia
Yeah, somewhere near the rectum.
TMOliver
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
>
> What about Texans? Wiping the horseshit off your $500 boots on a
> $20,000 Persian 18th Century carpet, on the floor, is sophisticated in
> Texas.
In almost 70 years, I've seen plenty of pairs of $500 boots (or at least
store bought boots with $500+ price tags and hand made boots deserving such
prices) and a few $20,000 Persian Carpets, but never either used to wipe
from or to.
I have, however, after 46 years of regularly coming and going to and from
Florida, seen more horseshit and witnessed considerably more vulgar
ostentation and gratuitous bad taste in that state than here in all my years
here. There are entire regions in Florida in which the majority of the
populace would have to rise far above their origins to achieve the social
status of po'white trash or cedar choppers, requiring a move to the
Panhandle or Georgia to even qualify as "Crackers". After all, "Trailer
Trash" is a sobriquet first and most often reserved for immigrants to
Florida, and between Orlando and South Beach, the maxim that "Bad taste need
not be expensive, but is as prominently and flagrantly displayed here!" is
widely applicable.
As some might say, retiring to Florida (aside from avoiding snow and ice in
return for the occasional hurricane) is an admission that where you did live
was habitable only to a point that even Florida was an improvement. While
cluttered with less neon and plastic than Las Vegas, Florida has more
residents who migrated from New Jersey, likely raising the cultural level in
New Jersey, while raising average IQs of Floridians.
TMO
Professor Irwin Corey
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>I was more honest and stalwart than you -- and continue to use my Real Name
>to this day.
Your choice. I made a different one. If you think that makes you "more
honest and stalwart" then bully for you. Bask in your self-rightious glory.
>Have I and my family been attacked and abused by all sorts of crooked means?
>
>Of course...
>
>It Goes With The Territory.
Right. I really hate it when those "crooked means" attack me. The straight
ones are much easier to deal with.
>"Going RL"?
Real Life. It's a common enough term on the net nowadays. I find it
difficult to believe you are unfamiliar with it. Perhaps because it's not in
latin ...
D. Spencer Hines
Anyone who is unwilling to use their FULL, CORRECT, LEGAL Name on USENET is:
Not To Be Taken Seriously...
'Nuff Said.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
Fred J. McCall
:
:"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote ...
:>
:> What about Texans? Wiping the horseshit off your $500 boots on a
:> $20,000 Persian 18th Century carpet, on the floor, is sophisticated in
:> Texas.
:>
:
:In almost 70 years, I've seen plenty of pairs of $500 boots (or at least
:store bought boots with $500+ price tags and hand made boots deserving such
:prices) and a few $20,000 Persian Carpets, but never either used to wipe
:from or to.
Jack is the typical Eastern Liberal; scratch them and you find a
bigot.
--
"The gom jabbar, the high-handed enemy...It kills only animals."
-- Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, Dune
D. Spencer Hines
DSH
"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:141224pvjsaogau31...@4ax.com...
D. Spencer Hines
Hiding behind a pseudonym.
DSH
"Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A92B7479D4...@216.250.184.7...
> Presumably, the comedian Professor Corey is your model of a scholar.
Professor Irwin Corey
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>The Bottom Line
>
>Anyone who is unwilling to use their FULL, CORRECT, LEGAL Name on USENET is:
>
>Not To Be Taken Seriously...
I'll alert the media ...
[pause]
They said "Who's Hines, and why should we care what he thinks?"
>'Nuff Said.
You keep saying that, then proceed to flagellate the expired equine even
more.
You are living proof that posting unders ones own name does not make the
message any more reliable or meaningful.
Professor Irwin Corey
<pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>
>"Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9A92B7479D4...@216.250.184.7...
>
>> Presumably, the comedian Professor Corey is your model of a scholar.
>
>"Professor Corey" is a fraud.
>
>Hiding behind a pseudonym.
>
>DSH
Hines is a putz.
Posing as a reasonable adult.
Dr. James West, Ph.D.
> In <7w5Uj.585$v91....@eagle.america.net>, "D. Spencer Hines"
> <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote:
>
>>Anyone who is unwilling to use their FULL, CORRECT, LEGAL Name on USENET is:
>>Not To Be Taken Seriously...
Hines is another phoney who refuses to post his address and phone#.
Warmest regards,
James West, Ph.D.
Richard Casady
<prof....@whatsamatter.edu> wrote:
>Hines is a putz.
>
>Posing as a reasonable adult.
Living proof that half the population is below average. I have more
than a third of a million SMN posts on this harddrive, and the
newsreader, Agent, doesn't like it. It takes a good hour to resort the
posts from by date to by author. I bit the bullet and sorted to author
and deleted 2500 Hines posts. I don't expect to miss them.
Casady
Richard Casady
<prof....@whatsamatter.edu> wrote:
>You are living proof that posting unders ones own name does not make the
>message any more reliable or meaningful.
That should read: does not necessarily make.,,
One counter example does not invalidate tens[or hundreds] of thousands
of posts over a period of a decade. On the average, fake names are a
sign of unreliablity. Not always, just on the average.
Casady
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast
> On Wed, 07 May 2008 19:31:58 -0400, Professor Irwin Corey
>
> >You are living proof that posting unders ones own name does not make the
> >message any more reliable or meaningful.
>
> That should read: does not necessarily make.,,
>
> One counter example does not invalidate tens[or hundreds] of thousands
> of posts over a period of a decade. On the average, fake names are a
> sign of unreliablity. Not always, just on the average.
>
> Casady
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Let's go to what's really important. Did the quality of
<Science.Military.Naval> posts improve after Hines came on
board ? My idea is that the "Alt.History.Brutish" readership took a
substantial jump when DSH started seeding it with outrageous
rightwing press releases.
I think Hines joined A.H.B. in 1998. Does anyone remember what
the NG was like prior to the Commodore becoming SOPA ?
I joined at a time when the Brits were flaying him on account of
his American "hog" Latin.
Cheers, David H
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